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so if im a patient, what should i expect?
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Cash and carry medical services. It's already started in Raleigh.
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Obama capped increases in your premiums dumbass. It will take effect 2014.

White trash moron.
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my dad paid 70 thousand dollers in taxes this year..? obamas policies have already taken place, and by the way my dad makes just over 250,000 dollars a year, does that number ring a bell?
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What the fuck is your point tard?
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my point is that he's raised fucking taxes for the middle class by a huge amount already, this healthcare bullshit will raise them even higher by requiring employers to pay for their employees health care or be fined 250,000 dollars a year, obama seems to have a hard on for 250,000
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PEOPLE WHO MAKE 250K ARE NOT MIDDLE CLASS TARDO! GO FUCK YOURSELF MMKKAY THANKS. ITS CALLED AN EDUCATION, GET ONE.
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My spouse is a physician and is actually looking forward to getting paid since there will be no more "ward patients" who do not have insurance.

Sub specialists will see the most changes, and will have to stop accepting bullshit consults which the patient doesn't need.

Doctors will have to stop ordering consults in order to just cover themselves due to liability or to pad the pocket of a colleague.

There will be changes for sure, but the benefits for those who have no health care will be great.

Just my 2 cents.
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Cash and carry medical services. It's already started in Raleigh.
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Yay! A big step to reducing the cost of medical care. Cut out all the insurance middlemen.
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my dad paid 70 thousand dollers in taxes this year..? obamas policies have already taken place, and by the way my dad makes just over 250,000 dollars a year, does that number ring a bell?
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What the fuck is your point tard?
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my point is that he's raised fucking taxes for the middle class by a huge amount already, this healthcare bullshit will raise them even higher by requiring employers to pay for their employees health care or be fined 250,000 dollars a year, obama seems to have a hard on for 250,000
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PEOPLE WHO MAKE 250K ARE NOT MIDDLE CLASS TARDO! GO FUCK YOURSELF MMKKAY THANKS. ITS CALLED AN EDUCATION, GET ONE.
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$250k a year is UPPER class no matter how you slice it. A $250k a year exec has a totally different lifestyle from a $50k a year manager. No comparison.
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She just started practicing last year. Also see's the writing on the wall and is questioning her career choice.
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Good, she SHOULD be questioning her qualifications, she's obviously NOT smart enough to remain a Doctor!



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LOL, your too much. GOV Shill
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you will have to go before the obama death panel and they will decide your fate.
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She just started practicing last year. Also see's the writing on the wall and is questioning her career choice.
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Good, she SHOULD be questioning her qualifications, she's obviously NOT smart enough to remain a Doctor!



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LOL, your too much. GOV Shill
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lol

go easy on AC 6685296 ... they get paid by the post
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It's amazing the rating this thread has gotten. The Shills are strong tonight. Vote it up 5* GLPers.
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Do you really have to pay cash to get fixed in the hospital in America.

No, people with insurance get their insurance company billed, and are usually responsible for a co-pay amount (i.e. $100 for a Emergency room visit)

What if you are severly injured or dying and you dont have enough money to pay them, what happens, or do you have to pay first.

No. ALL people with any life threatening condition are treated and stabilized REGARDLESS of their ability to pay. It's the law in all 50 states.

The liberal media, and propaganda experts, have deluded some people into believing that the 7.4% of the population that have no insurance are denied treatment for serious conditions...it's not only false, it's against the law.


Between private insurance, medicaid (state free health insurance), medicare (federal free insurance for the elderly), special state-sponsored child care programs, and other community and charity health programs, their are an estimated 7.4% of the population that have no coverage at all....not the 30-35% that the liberals have been spewing.

I'm keen to understand how the system works now, and what affect this new system will have, could someone explain for me please.
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Answers to your questions highlighted in RED above.
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I was told by an ER nurse that because of Obamacare that it will be the first time in US history that people will be turned away at the ER. Not sure if it is true, but scary if it is.
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The problem is not the insurance companies, as much as liberals like to say that. One problem is tort laws that allow lawsuit for ridiculous things. If a doctor has a patient with a pain, and 99% of the time it can be diagnosed with simple procedures, but there is an infinitesimal chance the procedure might miss something, they send them on to the cat scan or MRI to avoid a potentially devastating lawsuit. This often costs the insurance company thousands of dollars. Obama stated early on he was against tort reform, because lawyers contribute heavily to the Dems.

Another problem is the welfare people that check in with "stomach pains" to get a clean bed, color TV with remote, free drugs, and three squares a day. Dozens did this on a regular basis at his hospital in a major city. It costs tax payers tens of thousands every day.

The final problem is that Medicare sets the standards that all doctors have to comply with. My oldest son is in his second year of residency. They are literally working him to death. He was a great kid, Eagle Scout, worked 40 hour weeks while going to college. Graduated college in three years.

In his first year of residency he saw the truth. In his internal medicine rotation he could see one patient every 30 minutes. 7-8 minutes seeing the patient, 20 minutes filling out redundant forms, required everywhere because of Medicare standards. He has 200,000 of med school debt, and now his future is being stripped from him by obamacare.

I highly advise potential premeds to think twice about going to med school. Mountains of debt, delayed income, then a mountain of government regulations, now obamacare.

I don't write this for the hard headed liberals on here. I write this for the real people who live in the real world, that really want to understand the problems.
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My spouse is a physician and is actually looking forward to getting paid since there will be no more "ward patients" who do not have insurance.

Sub specialists will see the most changes, and will have to stop accepting bullshit consults which the patient doesn't need.

Doctors will have to stop ordering consults in order to just cover themselves due to liability or to pad the pocket of a colleague.

There will be changes for sure, but the benefits for those who have no health care will be great.

Just my 2 cents.
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Tell me exactly how not having health insurance at the present time that I will reap "GREAT" benefits under Obamacare. What an idiot your spouse must be!
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An Obama speech about how much he cares about you "folks".

And then a rapid demise due to lack of care.
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The problem is not the insurance companies, as much as liberals like to say that. One problem is tort laws that allow lawsuit for ridiculous things. If a doctor has a patient with a pain, and 99% of the time it can be diagnosed with simple procedures, but there is an infinitesimal chance the procedure might miss something, they send them on to the cat scan or MRI to avoid a potentially devastating lawsuit. This often costs the insurance company thousands of dollars. Obama stated early on he was against tort reform, because lawyers contribute heavily to the Dems.

Another problem is the welfare people that check in with "stomach pains" to get a clean bed, color TV with remote, free drugs, and three squares a day. Dozens did this on a regular basis at his hospital in a major city. It costs tax payers tens of thousands every day.

The final problem is that Medicare sets the standards that all doctors have to comply with. My oldest son is in his second year of residency. They are literally working him to death. He was a great kid, Eagle Scout, worked 40 hour weeks while going to college. Graduated college in three years.

In his first year of residency he saw the truth. In his internal medicine rotation he could see one patient every 30 minutes. 7-8 minutes seeing the patient, 20 minutes filling out redundant forms, required everywhere because of Medicare standards. He has 200,000 of med school debt, and now his future is being stripped from him by obamacare.

I highly advise potential premeds to think twice about going to med school. Mountains of debt, delayed income, then a mountain of government regulations, now obamacare.

I don't write this for the hard headed liberals on here. I write this for the real people who live in the real world, that really want to understand the problems.
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This had pretty much been my sisters experience prior to practicing. Word for word.
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you will have to go before the obama death panel and they will decide your fate.
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Better wear an Obama T-shirt and hat, like the poll officials did yesterday.

They'll go easier on you if you also get an Obama tattoo on your right hand or forehead.
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I was told by an ER nurse that because of Obamacare that it will be the first time in US history that people will be turned away at the ER. Not sure if it is true, but scary if it is.
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My god I hope so.
All the minorities that fill up the ERs are all Obama supporters.
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My sister is a doctor (OB), she called me today and said she had been crying since last night. She is beside herself. Now that the final nail has been driven into the US medical industry it's hit her hard.
Main issue for doctors is that they are being mandated too and regulated like never before. Most of Obamacare focuses on regulations, not the patient. That's what most people don't get. It's all about reporting back to the government. They will be determining your treatments and watching every facet of your "care".
This is scary. Take some time and dissect the bill. It's a whopper, makes our tax code look like 1st grade reading.
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I've worked in healthcare for the last 4 years in 3 different capacities and have witnessed various aspects of what Obamacare is and will be.

One of the the first things was "Meaningful Use". In short, you and I got to pay medical providers to get up to speed with Electronic Medical Records (EMR), to the tune of $18,000 per year, per physician that complied. There are many microcosms within "Meaningful Use". It forces providers to completely change how they see patients. There are dozens and dozens of "measures" that must be met, all adding up to a big pain in the ass for doctors. Meaningful Use is mandatory for any physician that wishes to accept Medicare. Guess what? Thousands of doctors are bailing on Medicare because it isn't worth the bullshit. They simply won't take Medicare any longer.

Secondly, by the time the "Cadillac" rule kicks in, about 60% of the policies out there are going to fall under that stupid fucking rule. Basically, it punishes you and me for having a real job with real benefits that we earned because we actually possess a viable skill. All "Cadillac" health plans will be hit with a 40% tax. The law passed in 2009 and they set the ceiling at that time. It doesn't actually take effect until 2019 and doesn't account for inflation. By the time it takes effect, it's going to hit a hell of a lot more people that the "Goldman Sachs" executives it was supposedly meant to target.

Tell me, all of you Obamabots; where the fuck is your free insurance from this plan? How's that workin' out for ya? Thus far, I have yet to see health insurance availability increase from this pile of shit tax-bag. Get ready for 4 more years of a dried corn cob up your ass because that's all this clown has to offer.
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It makes health insurance available and more affordable for HIV patients and illegal aliens.

And the rest of us get to pay for it. Just because it says "affordable" doesn't mean "affordable for you". What, you think everything is about you?

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Do you really have to pay cash to get fixed in the hospital in America.

No, people with insurance get their insurance company billed, and are usually responsible for a co-pay amount (i.e. $100 for a Emergency room visit)

What if you are severly injured or dying and you dont have enough money to pay them, what happens, or do you have to pay first.

No. ALL people with any life threatening condition are treated and stabilized REGARDLESS of their ability to pay. It's the law in all 50 states.

The liberal media, and propaganda experts, have deluded some people into believing that the 7.4% of the population that have no insurance are denied treatment for serious conditions...it's not only false, it's against the law.


Between private insurance, medicaid (state free health insurance), medicare (federal free insurance for the elderly), special state-sponsored child care programs, and other community and charity health programs, their are an estimated 7.4% of the population that have no coverage at all....not the 30-35% that the liberals have been spewing.

I'm keen to understand how the system works now, and what affect this new system will have, could someone explain for me please.
 Quoting: Doommincus Maximus


Answers to your questions highlighted in RED above.
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Stabilized does not mean treated. Break an arm, they don't set it anymore, they wrap it and send you to an Orthopedic. I know, my grandson broke his 4 years ago. Cancer, you don't get chemo in the ER. Are you people really this stupid?
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Hey tard, its your sister. Bring your blood test results in.
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you will have to go before the obama death panel and they will decide your fate.
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As opposed to an HMO death panel
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Obamacare is destroying the medical device manufacturers in the US. They are laying off their employees and opening up overseas, where they are not taxed.

[link to www.usatoday.com]

Then there are all the elderly that will be killed to save money. The new rule is that the hospital if fined if they readmit a person on medicare within a month of them being hospitalized.

So when your mother breaks a hip, they will admit her. But then when she goes back to the hospital 3 weeks later with pneumonia, they will be fined if they admit her. Even if it's for a different problem, or at a different hospital.

So instead of getting admitted and living, she's given a prescription to take home and dies. Thanks Obama for killing Grandma!

I could go on. It's more then 2,000 pages of job, people, and Constitutional rights killing crap.
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Do you really have to pay cash to get fixed in the hospital in America.

No, people with insurance get their insurance company billed, and are usually responsible for a co-pay amount (i.e. $100 for a Emergency room visit)

What if you are severly injured or dying and you dont have enough money to pay them, what happens, or do you have to pay first.

No. ALL people with any life threatening condition are treated and stabilized REGARDLESS of their ability to pay. It's the law in all 50 states.

The liberal media, and propaganda experts, have deluded some people into believing that the 7.4% of the population that have no insurance are denied treatment for serious conditions...it's not only false, it's against the law.


Between private insurance, medicaid (state free health insurance), medicare (federal free insurance for the elderly), special state-sponsored child care programs, and other community and charity health programs, their are an estimated 7.4% of the population that have no coverage at all....not the 30-35% that the liberals have been spewing.

I'm keen to understand how the system works now, and what affect this new system will have, could someone explain for me please.
 Quoting: Doommincus Maximus


Answers to your questions highlighted in RED above.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10132842


Stabilized does not mean treated. Break an arm, they don't set it anymore, they wrap it and send you to an Orthopedic. I know, my grandson broke his 4 years ago. Cancer, you don't get chemo in the ER. Are you people really this stupid?
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No just greedy. When you lie to cover your greed, then you sound stupid.
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Docs in my area are already putting out the notice that they are opting out of the system by not accepting medicare, etc. There is a run on getting into these offices before they fill up.
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Furthermore, early retirements are going to occur in mass. Watch.
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When asked about Obamacare, my doc said, "That s.. of a b....!" He then said as things stand now he will retire in less than 5 years. Done. He and his wife are primary care physicians that see many families and elderly people. What a huge, huge loss. These two doctors have never lived large. They spent the first several years paying off their student loans. They are just average folks trying to run a medical practice/business that Obama is quickly destroying.
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My sister is a doctor (OB), she called me today and said she had been crying since last night. She is beside herself. Now that the final nail has been driven into the US medical industry it's hit her hard.
Main issue for doctors is that they are being mandated too and regulated like never before. Most of Obamacare focuses on regulations, not the patient. That's what most people don't get. It's all about reporting back to the government. They will be determining your treatments and watching every facet of your "care".
This is scary. Take some time and dissect the bill. It's a whopper, makes our tax code look like 1st grade reading.
 Quoting: N3m3s1s


I've worked in healthcare for the last 4 years in 3 different capacities and have witnessed various aspects of what Obamacare is and will be.

One of the the first things was "Meaningful Use". In short, you and I got to pay medical providers to get up to speed with Electronic Medical Records (EMR), to the tune of $18,000 per year, per physician that complied. There are many microcosms within "Meaningful Use". It forces providers to completely change how they see patients. There are dozens and dozens of "measures" that must be met, all adding up to a big pain in the ass for doctors. Meaningful Use is mandatory for any physician that wishes to accept Medicare. Guess what? Thousands of doctors are bailing on Medicare because it isn't worth the bullshit. They simply won't take Medicare any longer.

Secondly, by the time the "Cadillac" rule kicks in, about 60% of the policies out there are going to fall under that stupid fucking rule. Basically, it punishes you and me for having a real job with real benefits that we earned because we actually possess a viable skill. All "Cadillac" health plans will be hit with a 40% tax. The law passed in 2009 and they set the ceiling at that time. It doesn't actually take effect until 2019 and doesn't account for inflation. By the time it takes effect, it's going to hit a hell of a lot more people that the "Goldman Sachs" executives it was supposedly meant to target.

Tell me, all of you Obamabots; where the fuck is your free insurance from this plan? How's that workin' out for ya? Thus far, I have yet to see health insurance availability increase from this pile of shit tax-bag. Get ready for 4 more years of a dried corn cob up your ass because that's all this clown has to offer.
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It makes health insurance available and more affordable for HIV patients and illegal aliens.

And the rest of us get to pay for it. Just because it says "affordable" doesn't mean "affordable for you". What, you think everything is about you?

Trying to figure out what other country to move to ...
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lulz. Every other country has socialized medicine so good luck with that douche bag.
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I feel for you and your sister. It's not just happening in the medical professions. It's all over government, finance, and education. Being a teacher, I see it on a daily basis. We must cover our bosses asses by keeping more paperwork about our students than they actually produce it seems. All to make it easy for stupid administrators and politicians to delegate what little funds are left to spend. There is no quality education anymore when all that matters is standardized test scores.
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I knew a doctor in the US.He was a heart transplant doc.His malpractice premiums were 4 million dollars every year.
4 million dollars.
Want to lower medical costs? Make the government the insurer of Doctors for malpractice and limit liability for Docs.
Its that simple.

But the trial lawyers will fight you tooth and nail because that is their bread and butter.

The entire concept of health care in America is fucked.We are looking at it from the wrong perspective.
We look at it as if we can live a long time if we get the proper care. That is a fallacy.
Reality is we will all die.Doctors may be able to delay your death,or ease your pain.

Finally-start taking some responsibility for your own health,and lifestyle choices.
If you smoke you will face the consequences. If you engage in risky sex you will pay the piper(no pun). If you drink you will deal with the damage.

I do not want to sound harsh on this,but doctors are not miracle workers who save you like House does on tv.They usually just pass out drugs and medicine made by big pharma.
In a few years you may be able to get the diagnoses from an I-phone app. The actual mechanical stuff can be done after a small blood test(built in) and symptoms check.For the mechanical then you see a Doc or a nurse. Wham your health care costs just went to a 15 dollar a month app subscription.

Sounds outrageous? Its closer than you think.
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Attack Attack! Fuck off.
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WOW that's just weird!!!
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Big Pharma is taking a hit as prescription drug use plumments due to the economy, et., al
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so if im a patient, what should i expect?
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Boy oh boy, GLP sure does hate Obama.