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Anonymous Coward User ID: 11998544 United States 11/07/2012 11:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You stupid fuck, hospitals treat indigent patients on a daily basis. Ability to pay is irrelevant. Emergent patients are NOT turned away. You are the stupid fuck. ER's are NOT a substitute for a real healthcare system. Plus charges are significantly more expensive. Finally, the cost for those that can't pay are passed on to the rest of us. He ASKED how it works here, He wanted to know if people are turned away if they are dying. I told him how it worked for poor people that needed emergency medical treatment but couldn't pay for it. Also informed him that you don't have to pay upfront to receive emergency treatment. It's a fact. What's your issue? I wasn't advocating for people to just stroll into an ER for a cold, jack up a large bill and force taxpayers to handle it. Calm the fuck down. Yeah, Romney tried pedaling that shit, too. Those of us who work are paying for the poor...just at a premium. The Right's fight of Socialized medicine is stupid and hurtful. |
Saddletramp User ID: 1052341 Puerto Rico 11/07/2012 11:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I come from a medical family as well (I'm the blacksheep banker of the bunch) and they are all extremely upset and worried about this, there are going to be a lot of unintended (at least you hope they're unintended) consequences to this boondoggle... Community healthcare clinics are already shutting down. There is already an extreme shortage of doctors taking medicaid and medicare, this is only going to get worse. People are now finding out that the insurance plans they've had for years aren't going to meet Obamacare requirements, so they are being shuffled to more expensive policy's... It's a nightmare... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
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Saddletramp User ID: 1052341 Puerto Rico 11/07/2012 11:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Debauchery You stupid fuck, hospitals treat indigent patients on a daily basis. Ability to pay is irrelevant. Emergent patients are NOT turned away. You are the stupid fuck. ER's are NOT a substitute for a real healthcare system. Plus charges are significantly more expensive. Finally, the cost for those that can't pay are passed on to the rest of us. He ASKED how it works here, He wanted to know if people are turned away if they are dying. I told him how it worked for poor people that needed emergency medical treatment but couldn't pay for it. Also informed him that you don't have to pay upfront to receive emergency treatment. It's a fact. What's your issue? I wasn't advocating for people to just stroll into an ER for a cold, jack up a large bill and force taxpayers to handle it. Calm the fuck down. Yeah, Romney tried pedaling that shit, too. Those of us who work are paying for the poor...just at a premium. The Right's fight of Socialized medicine is stupid and hurtful. We also have Medicaid for the poor who can't afford insurance... At least we had Medicaid before Obamacare, because now less than 30% of doctors will even take Medicaid or Medicare... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16361770 New Zealand 11/07/2012 11:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I come from a medical family as well (I'm the blacksheep banker of the bunch) and they are all extremely upset and worried about this, there are going to be a lot of unintended (at least you hope they're unintended) consequences to this boondoggle... Quoting: Saddletramp Community healthcare clinics are already shutting down. There is already an extreme shortage of doctors taking medicaid and medicare, this is only going to get worse. People are now finding out that the insurance plans they've had for years aren't going to meet Obamacare requirements, so they are being shuffled to more expensive policy's... It's a nightmare... wonder why they chose that profession in the first place?? Money? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2402379 United States 11/07/2012 11:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My sister is a doctor (OB), she called me today and said she had been crying since last night. She is beside herself. Now that the final nail has been driven into the US medical industry it's hit her hard. Quoting: N3m3s1s Main issue for doctors is that they are being mandated too and regulated like never before. Most of Obamacare focuses on regulations, not the patient. That's what most people don't get. It's all about reporting back to the government. They will be determining your treatments and watching every facet of your "care". This is scary. Take some time and dissect the bill. It's a whopper, makes our tax code look like 1st grade reading. It works for docs in Europe. One nice car and one nice flat and no headaches from blood sucking insurance companies works for them. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21931562 United States 11/07/2012 11:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My sister is a doctor (OB), she called me today and said she had been crying since last night. She is beside herself. Now that the final nail has been driven into the US medical industry it's hit her hard. Quoting: N3m3s1s Main issue for doctors is that they are being mandated too and regulated like never before. Most of Obamacare focuses on regulations, not the patient. That's what most people don't get. It's all about reporting back to the government. They will be determining your treatments and watching every facet of your "care". This is scary. Take some time and dissect the bill. It's a whopper, makes our tax code look like 1st grade reading. One of the mandates in Obamacare is that anything used that is bought or sold in the amount of $600 or more must have a 1099 attached. Not just required by businesses but through private transactions such as yard sales, selling your car, selling or trading baseball cards; coins; labor, antiques, guns, or anything of value. This was one of the 20,000 pages of things shoved in at the last minute because no one was given enough time to read the bill. They jammed it in there and said, "we have 3 years to tweak it." Well it took 2 years and three attempts to remove that shitty law. It's all about control...complete control. Not even so much about money. With that law, they planned to ensnare and entrap normal law abiding citizens in a legal quagmire thus putting mainly the middle class in legal jeopardy and losing their rights to bear arms, and classifying them as felons. I can only imagin the OTHER wonderful control mechanisms hidden in the rest of the Obamacare bill since they will be kicking in like clockwork very soon. |
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Shellbe User ID: 22026188 United States 11/07/2012 11:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My sister is a doctor (OB), she called me today and said she had been crying since last night. She is beside herself. Now that the final nail has been driven into the US medical industry it's hit her hard. Quoting: N3m3s1s Main issue for doctors is that they are being mandated too and regulated like never before. Most of Obamacare focuses on regulations, not the patient. That's what most people don't get. It's all about reporting back to the government. They will be determining your treatments and watching every facet of your "care". This is scary. Take some time and dissect the bill. It's a whopper, makes our tax code look like 1st grade reading. Where has your ignorant sister been??? What do you think the HMO's and insurance companies have been doing for decades?! Listen, I Know everyone is upset about obama, but I agree with this last post, it can't get any worse. Insurance companies dictate our care now. I was born with rare type of cancer in 81. Had kemo and radiation. Have dealt with insurance companies my whole life. When I was 21, was hospitalized a total of 2 months, because the insurance company in NH, would not approve my dr. In boston because it was "out of network". After a series of hospitalizations, they finally agreed to one visit with my Boston dr concerning the issue. I have not spent a day in the hospital since. The bill the insurance company got was over $100,000 for the 2 months in the hospital. Had they approved the 1 visit initially, they would have figured out the problem from the get go, and saved $999,700. I have also had many instances where my doctor would prescribe me a medication due to the numerous issues I have as a result of the treatment I had as a child, and insurance would refuse and say "well, that med is for someone over 80." The way I see it is they are already dictating our care. If I were to make an appointment with my kidney dr. tomorrow (only have 1 kidney due to the radiation I had as a child) would have to schedule 3-4 months out to get an appointment. Can't get much worse than this. By the way, Iam a self employed attorney and pay for a plan with Harvard Pilgrim, not welfare. "You can only protect your liberties in this world by protecting the other man's freedom" Clarence Darrow |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26892474 United States 11/07/2012 11:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Docs in my area are already putting out the notice that they are opting out of the system by not accepting medicare, etc. There is a run on getting into these offices before they fill up. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27220429 Furthermore, early retirements are going to occur in mass. Watch. ^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I personally know over 30 Docs that are planning early retirement if obummercare kicks in fully. Say the 'pains' are too much for very little reward. Some have said they would be better off waiting tables. I feel sorry for the newer docs out there, who probably haven't paid of their student loans. They are soooooo screwed. Even know a doc with a kid who was planning to go into medicine. Strongly discouraged his kid. Suggested that the only field with a possibility of paying off student debt might be orthodontics. This is so bad people. The repercussions from this bill have not even begun. |
Saddletramp User ID: 1052341 Puerto Rico 11/07/2012 11:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I come from a medical family as well (I'm the blacksheep banker of the bunch) and they are all extremely upset and worried about this, there are going to be a lot of unintended (at least you hope they're unintended) consequences to this boondoggle... Quoting: Saddletramp Community healthcare clinics are already shutting down. There is already an extreme shortage of doctors taking medicaid and medicare, this is only going to get worse. People are now finding out that the insurance plans they've had for years aren't going to meet Obamacare requirements, so they are being shuffled to more expensive policy's... It's a nightmare... wonder why they chose that profession in the first place?? Money? What's wrong with making money after you do eight years of college, internship, $500,000+ in student loans??? You damn well ought to make some money after all of that... What are you a fuckin' Marxist Communist?!?!? Last Edited by Saddletramp on 11/07/2012 11:47 PM "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
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Requiemdream User ID: 27232167 United States 11/07/2012 11:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well since you are trying to copy Sweden, here you have to wait for years for surgery unless it's vital. In ERs you have to wait for hours. Also you will get many unqualified doctors to fill up those that will quit, usually foreigners that don't even speak your language. It's downhill for you from here, that's socialism, rotting you from the outside and from the inside. ^^THIS^^ Perpetually dumbfounded. “I have learned now that while those who speak about one's miseries usually hurt, those who keep silence hurt more." C.S. Lewis “Sticks and stones may break your bones but words can break hearts.” Tim Minchin |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 15256858 United States 11/07/2012 11:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My doctors are now tethered to a computer that half the time doesn't work, or loses files. Just watch there are gonna be alot of them that are gonna shut and lock their doors. When I say tethered I mean they have to drag the damn thing around with them while seeing patients. I thought one of mine was gonna cry today. This is no aunt or uncles or third hand story this is what I saw and heard myself. I hope, having cancer that I am grandfathered in as my treatment began in 2010. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9519815 I can attest that the doc's are tethered to a computer. You only get 10 minutes with them now and 9 minutes of that time is the doc sitting at the computer trying to figure out what screen he is on. how can he be paying attention to you when he/she is trying to input info into the computer. My god! a 2 minute doc appointment. The poor doc is so absorbed in "entering data" that he "missed" his appointment with YOU. Fuck obocare. I hate technology. All one has to do is pull the plug on technology and there is nothing there. "One Second After" Forstren Get it on Amazon. Fuck electronic technology. I have had my fucking fill of for the last several years... everytime I get a computer and all my data and favorites the whole fucking lot of it gets a trojan and lost. Don't try to tell me I need to back up.......no,,,you need to fuck of. I need permanent not reboot. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1326056 United States 11/07/2012 11:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My sister is a doctor (OB), she called me today and said she had been crying since last night. She is beside herself. Now that the final nail has been driven into the US medical industry it's hit her hard. Quoting: N3m3s1s Main issue for doctors is that they are being mandated too and regulated like never before. Most of Obamacare focuses on regulations, not the patient. That's what most people don't get. It's all about reporting back to the government. They will be determining your treatments and watching every facet of your "care". This is scary. Take some time and dissect the bill. It's a whopper, makes our tax code look like 1st grade reading. I've worked in healthcare for the last 4 years in 3 different capacities and have witnessed various aspects of what Obamacare is and will be. One of the the first things was "Meaningful Use". In short, you and I got to pay medical providers to get up to speed with Electronic Medical Records (EMR), to the tune of $18,000 per year, per physician that complied. There are many microcosms within "Meaningful Use". It forces providers to completely change how they see patients. There are dozens and dozens of "measures" that must be met, all adding up to a big pain in the ass for doctors. Meaningful Use is mandatory for any physician that wishes to accept Medicare. Guess what? Thousands of doctors are bailing on Medicare because it isn't worth the bullshit. They simply won't take Medicare any longer. Secondly, by the time the "Cadillac" rule kicks in, about 60% of the policies out there are going to fall under that stupid fucking rule. Basically, it punishes you and me for having a real job with real benefits that we earned because we actually possess a viable skill. All "Cadillac" health plans will be hit with a 40% tax. The law passed in 2009 and they set the ceiling at that time. It doesn't actually take effect until 2019 and doesn't account for inflation. By the time it takes effect, it's going to hit a hell of a lot more people that the "Goldman Sachs" executives it was supposedly meant to target. Tell me, all of you Obamabots; where the fuck is your free insurance from this plan? How's that workin' out for ya? Thus far, I have yet to see health insurance availability increase from this pile of shit tax-bag. Get ready for 4 more years of a dried corn cob up your ass because that's all this clown has to offer. Aw fucking boo hoo doctors actually have to practice medicine. They can no longer run patients through like cattle. They can't just glance at a chart and dash off an expensive prescription. They can no longer cheat medicare. They are finally held accountable. And that what a lot of those whiney ass dotors are really complaining about. |
Isis One User ID: 14343270 United States 11/07/2012 11:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is a local doctor who has been very vocal about what's coming with Obamacare. That physician reports that a survey (reputable) revealed that over *one third* of doctors are seriously considering shutting down. They will end up being forced to work for .gov, at whatever rate of pay the .gov decides they should make. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18442725 Have you forgotten that the bill lets the .gov have access to your bank accounts?? I bet you have........ I don't know all the facts about Obamacare, but I do know that the Insurance Industry even during the recession has had RECORD PROFITS IN THE BILLIONS EVERY QUARTER. What's wrong with that picture? They're probably owned by the banksters. I believe Obamacare limits the amount of profit insurance companies can make. This is a step in the right direction. Spread the word, change the collective conscious...... THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26085824 United States 11/07/2012 11:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | She's probably crying because she won't make as much money. Boo boo. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11758031 Exactly. The doctors are fucking whining because they can only gouge a million dollars a year instead of three million. you have no idea what you are talking about. Best stick to commenting on Canuck politics. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 26085824 United States 11/07/2012 11:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My sister is a doctor (OB), she called me today and said she had been crying since last night. She is beside herself. Now that the final nail has been driven into the US medical industry it's hit her hard. Quoting: N3m3s1s Main issue for doctors is that they are being mandated too and regulated like never before. Most of Obamacare focuses on regulations, not the patient. That's what most people don't get. It's all about reporting back to the government. They will be determining your treatments and watching every facet of your "care". This is scary. Take some time and dissect the bill. It's a whopper, makes our tax code look like 1st grade reading. I've worked in healthcare for the last 4 years in 3 different capacities and have witnessed various aspects of what Obamacare is and will be. One of the the first things was "Meaningful Use". In short, you and I got to pay medical providers to get up to speed with Electronic Medical Records (EMR), to the tune of $18,000 per year, per physician that complied. There are many microcosms within "Meaningful Use". It forces providers to completely change how they see patients. There are dozens and dozens of "measures" that must be met, all adding up to a big pain in the ass for doctors. Meaningful Use is mandatory for any physician that wishes to accept Medicare. Guess what? Thousands of doctors are bailing on Medicare because it isn't worth the bullshit. They simply won't take Medicare any longer. Secondly, by the time the "Cadillac" rule kicks in, about 60% of the policies out there are going to fall under that stupid fucking rule. Basically, it punishes you and me for having a real job with real benefits that we earned because we actually possess a viable skill. All "Cadillac" health plans will be hit with a 40% tax. The law passed in 2009 and they set the ceiling at that time. It doesn't actually take effect until 2019 and doesn't account for inflation. By the time it takes effect, it's going to hit a hell of a lot more people that the "Goldman Sachs" executives it was supposedly meant to target. Tell me, all of you Obamabots; where the fuck is your free insurance from this plan? How's that workin' out for ya? Thus far, I have yet to see health insurance availability increase from this pile of shit tax-bag. Get ready for 4 more years of a dried corn cob up your ass because that's all this clown has to offer. Aw fucking boo hoo doctors actually have to practice medicine. They can no longer run patients through like cattle. They can't just glance at a chart and dash off an expensive prescription. They can no longer cheat medicare. They are finally held accountable. And that what a lot of those whiney ass dotors are really complaining about. Another clueless idiot without any empirical experience. This is what it looks like when the barbarians finally take over. You can't spell, either. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26164046 United States 11/07/2012 11:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I work in a hospital and there have been other changes in getting ready for obamacare. One change that just came down the pipe in the last week is they have changed the staffing grids. Now nurses and pcts can have more patients. This is dangerous on so many levels. The unwork on is nephrology and inpatient dialysis. These patients are extremely ill. We also have pre kidney transplant patients. Changing the staffing grid so nurses have more patients is dangerous. Also, they have it where the patient care techs have 18 patients apiece. Now, bear in mind my hospital has also basically eleminated the phlebotomist position and ekg techsand techs do this. So, they do all blood draws, ekgs, vital signs, change linen, help patients with baths, feeding toileting, plus a myriad of other duties. It may not seem like much, but by increasing the patient load and combining several positions into one it puts the patients at risk. Also, something that really has nothing to do with patient care, but they are doing away with the employee pention plan. I am rambling, but I don't think anyone is going to be prepared for the changes coming down the pipe. I know we keep getting surprises every time a new memo comes out at work. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26892474 United States 11/07/2012 11:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not sure why ANYONE would have sympathy for physicians who have been willing participants in not one, but TWO systems that are unconscionably corrupt, self-serving, and deceitful - aka: the American medical industry and big pharma. Quoting: itsamadmadworld Most doctors hate people who ask questions, they actively work to deny the fact that there are often safe alternatives, they have no compunction about prescribing drugs they KNOW are dangerous just so they can get their country club kickbacks, they push treatments on people knowing full well they will not be helped, and it is in THEIR best interest for everyone to remain borderline sick/healthy. Whining and crying doctors? Boo-frigging-hoo. I know doctors (several personally) who are RESTRICTED by the AMA and big pharma and big insurance. When I say restricted I mean that they literally cannot tell you the truth, or give you a requested treatment, or say certain things because of a HUGE threat of actually LOOSING their license to practice. IOW, doctors are being held hostage by the AMA, ADA, big pharma, and insurance companies. THIS IS WHAT TERRIFIES ME |
Isis One User ID: 14343270 United States 11/07/2012 11:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ours went up by $46 just last month, one in a series of increases in the past year. Obama capped increases in your premiums dumbass. It will take effect 2014. White trash moron. my dad paid 70 thousand dollers in taxes this year..? obamas policies have already taken place, and by the way my dad makes just over 250,000 dollars a year, does that number ring a bell? That more than multimillionaire Mitt's paid in the last ten years combined. Whats wrong with this picture? Spread the word, change the collective conscious...... THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
Requiemdream User ID: 27232167 United States 11/07/2012 11:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I come from a medical family as well (I'm the blacksheep banker of the bunch) and they are all extremely upset and worried about this, there are going to be a lot of unintended (at least you hope they're unintended) consequences to this boondoggle... Quoting: Saddletramp Community healthcare clinics are already shutting down. There is already an extreme shortage of doctors taking medicaid and medicare, this is only going to get worse. People are now finding out that the insurance plans they've had for years aren't going to meet Obamacare requirements, so they are being shuffled to more expensive policy's... It's a nightmare... wonder why they chose that profession in the first place?? Money? What's wrong with making money after you do eight years of college, internship, $500,000+ in student loans??? You damn well ought to make some money after all of that... What are you a fuckin' Marxist Communist?!?!? Unfortunately yes, yes they are! Perpetually dumbfounded. “I have learned now that while those who speak about one's miseries usually hurt, those who keep silence hurt more." C.S. Lewis “Sticks and stones may break your bones but words can break hearts.” Tim Minchin |
Turtles Voice User ID: 15791612 United States 11/08/2012 12:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you really have to pay cash to get fixed in the hospital in America. Quoting: Doommincus Maximus What if you are severly injured or dying and you dont have enough money to pay them, what happens, or do you have to pay first. I'm keen to understand how the system works now, and what affect this new system will have, could someone explain for me please. I'm sure others have answered before me, but in America - pre_obamacare, when you are injured or on the cusp of death you were taken care of and the bills came later. And you could work with the bill collector (by paying as little as 5 or 10 bucks a month). I assume now, that won't be an option. "In order to arrive at what you are not, You must go through the way in which you are not." -TS Eliot [link to www.turtlesvoice.com] Momma Said Write A Book About It - New novel [link to www.amazon.com (secure)] [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] |
thinkingoutsidetherhombus User ID: 2938296 United States 11/08/2012 12:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I come from a medical family as well (I'm the blacksheep banker of the bunch) and they are all extremely upset and worried about this, there are going to be a lot of unintended (at least you hope they're unintended) consequences to this boondoggle... Quoting: Saddletramp Community healthcare clinics are already shutting down. There is already an extreme shortage of doctors taking medicaid and medicare, this is only going to get worse. People are now finding out that the insurance plans they've had for years aren't going to meet Obamacare requirements, so they are being shuffled to more expensive policy's... It's a nightmare... There's a shortage of doctors, period, and it's just gonna get worse. My dad is a retired surgeon and he's very concerned about how few specialists the medical schools are graduating now. It's not worth it to work your ass off and sink yourself hundreds of thousands in debt...who knows if it'll pay off anymore? Rural areas are getting hit the hardest. I have elderly relatives who have to drive 200 miles to see a specialist when they used to have plenty within 30 miles. I don't know where you get your delusions, laser brain. |