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Anonymous Coward User ID: 26663220 United States 11/08/2012 12:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I come from a medical family as well (I'm the blacksheep banker of the bunch) and they are all extremely upset and worried about this, there are going to be a lot of unintended (at least you hope they're unintended) consequences to this boondoggle... Quoting: Saddletramp Community healthcare clinics are already shutting down. There is already an extreme shortage of doctors taking medicaid and medicare, this is only going to get worse. People are now finding out that the insurance plans they've had for years aren't going to meet Obamacare requirements, so they are being shuffled to more expensive policy's... It's a nightmare... wonder why they chose that profession in the first place?? Money? What's wrong with making money after you do eight years of college, internship, $500,000+ in student loans??? You damn well ought to make some money after all of that... What are you a fuckin' Marxist Communist?!?!? I would really love to start looking at this type of thinking more critically, I think it is at the root of most of our problems. America is about "Look at that beautiful home, I am going to work and have one like that also" but this attitude of "you should not have anything until I do" or " I should have a nice home and you should be my servant" has been growing like a cancer. Why are we tolerating this crap? And why are we not addressing it for what it is. Anti-American |
itsamadmadworld User ID: 27274711 United States 11/08/2012 12:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We isa heading down to Mehico Teejuana for services. They are cheaper, and most likely will be better than anything ...Kaisser, bluecros has to offer. The mexicaneros are gonna love us gringos now ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22168369 Many Doctors that have a practice in TJ, also have their main practice in San Diego. They are well educated receiving their docorate fromt Ivy league schools and doing their residencies at hospitals like Cedar Sinai in LA. The care is excellent, though you have to pay cash. The meds are 1/8 of the cost you'd pay in the US, due to big pharma jack. A friend of mine gets her husbands heart meds in TJ (pays $60.00) for a three month supply, in SoCal, the cost is ($500.00) for a 30 day supply). I know many people that cross the border for excellent medical care and pay cash, having already checked the credentials of the Doctor from their San Diego practice. Though, you cannot sue if you get fucked up. Some people have gone to TJ for treatment and allegedly been ok, others not. But what anyone has to consider is the extreme violence going on there which is a risk in itself. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24673573 United States 11/08/2012 12:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | She went to school for the wrong reason, if she wanted to get rich she should not have went to med school and went to Wall St like I did. That was the best advice I received from an older doctor. "Kid if you are here just because of money you will hate it, not to mention the gravy train doesn't last forever". It makes me sick we have doctors making 4-500k a year not complaining they will only be making in the 2's. Really how much do you need. I say that in an anti greedy way because it is a consistent form of income it is not like these doctors are burnt out by the age of 40 and in need of a profession change if they are not lucky enough to retire. They have a good 20 years ahead of them to branch out. The majority that are voicing such complaints are on hospital boards and are not practicing anymore, they are greatly out of touch with the the actual doctors currently practicing. I somehow feel that the op is full of shit. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 26892474 United States 11/08/2012 12:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We're going to see more and more doctors taking cash only. Can't blame them really. Insurance is a big headache from hell. I'm happy to pay cash for my primary care physician. In and out at $75.00 for great care. No co-pays or hidden costs mandated by my insurance company. It's the best way to go. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19490298 Expect that practicing medicine outside of Government approval will become a criminal offense. See previous post. ALREADY IS! Not approved by tptb = license revocation |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1099462 Australia 11/08/2012 12:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You will get a quick 5 minutes from your doc who will tell you nothing except stuff you already know and they will begin to be very rude to you as you age . You're just another claim to medicare , to them . They run there surgergies like factories , quick turn over for the money |
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Mwalk Low Earth Orbit User ID: 1067150 United States 11/08/2012 12:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you really have to pay cash to get fixed in the hospital in America. Quoting: Doommincus Maximus What if you are severly injured or dying and you dont have enough money to pay them, what happens, or do you have to pay first. I'm keen to understand how the system works now, and what affect this new system will have, could someone explain for me please. The reason we have this level of health care and advanced procedures is because WE PAY, once you spread the wealth the quality of care goes down and R&D slows tremendously, to pay for these free loaders that would't have insurance per say, but could have life saving procedures performed without paying upfront. This may ruin their credit but people now think they are entitled to this with no responsibility, which is crap, own up to your debts instead of having government take care of you. “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” |
Saddletramp User ID: 1052341 Puerto Rico 11/08/2012 12:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I come from a medical family as well (I'm the blacksheep banker of the bunch) and they are all extremely upset and worried about this, there are going to be a lot of unintended (at least you hope they're unintended) consequences to this boondoggle... Quoting: Saddletramp Community healthcare clinics are already shutting down. There is already an extreme shortage of doctors taking medicaid and medicare, this is only going to get worse. People are now finding out that the insurance plans they've had for years aren't going to meet Obamacare requirements, so they are being shuffled to more expensive policy's... It's a nightmare... wonder why they chose that profession in the first place?? Money? What's wrong with making money after you do eight years of college, internship, $500,000+ in student loans??? You damn well ought to make some money after all of that... What are you a fuckin' Marxist Communist?!?!? I would really love to start looking at this type of thinking more critically, I think it is at the root of most of our problems. America is about "Look at that beautiful home, I am going to work and have one like that also" but this attitude of "you should not have anything until I do" or " I should have a nice home and you should be my servant" has been growing like a cancer. Why are we tolerating this crap? And why are we not addressing it for what it is. Anti-American Jesus, a product of our public schools no doubt. These people risk years of their lives to go to school, they work long hours and get paid shit for being an intern, they rack up hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. It's called making an investment in your future, it's called taking a risk and hoping for a return. It's Capitalism, and capitalism is freedom, it's the right to live your life as you see fit, do what you want, choose your own profession, take risks for gain, seize oportunity, it's the system that advanced civlization around the world, IT'S NOT ANTI-AMERICAN...IT IS AMERICA!!! Last Edited by Saddletramp on 11/08/2012 12:16 AM "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
Eggcellent Re-Instate Smith-Mundt! User ID: 13043121 United States 11/08/2012 12:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If athletes get athlete's foot, what do astronauts get? Missile toe!!!! "I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12 |
LOL User ID: 27284658 United States 11/08/2012 12:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 25 years in the medical field. I am OUT. What can patients expect? Expect LONG LINES for EVERYTHING. Once in, you will NOT be able to see a doctor. NPs and PAs will fill the gap. *IF* you're lucky enough to see an MD, he will most likely be a Turd Worlder who doesn't speak English. If you're over 55 and going into a hospital, you'd better hope it's not serious. If it is, a cost-benefit formula will be applied to your treatment. If you're elderly, there is a very good chance you will be admitted to the hospital and not come out alive. Your family will never know what happened to you because of "medical privacy." That's why HIPAA was passed under the Clintoon administration. Not even your family attorneys can see what's in your chart. That is for a REASON! You will go in and not come out alive. |
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telling it straight User ID: 1461054 United States 11/08/2012 12:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You're sister soon will be crying again when she realizes that as a specialist with all those extra years of education, Obamacare's going to pay her the SAME as a GP. Because all doctors will receive the same pay, they'll be no incentive to specialize. Think about that. Why put all that effort into being a surgeon, anthesiologist or OBGYN? Last Edited by telling it straight on 11/08/2012 12:25 AM |
Saddletramp User ID: 1052341 Puerto Rico 11/08/2012 12:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why don't you haul your lazy welfare ass to school for eight years, do a couple of years interning for shit pay, rack up $500,000+ in debt and then maybe you wouldn't have to go around green with envy all the fuckin' time... Last Edited by Saddletramp on 11/08/2012 12:26 AM "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
LOL User ID: 27284658 United States 11/08/2012 12:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Listen, I Know everyone is upset about obama, but I agree with this last post, it can't get any worse. Insurance companies dictate our care now. I was born with rare type of cancer in 81. Had kemo and radiation. Have dealt with insurance companies my whole life. When I was 21, was hospitalized a total of 2 months, because the insurance company in NH, would not approve my dr. In boston because it was "out of network". After a series of hospitalizations, they finally agreed to one visit with my Boston dr concerning the issue. I have not spent a day in the hospital since. The bill the insurance company got was over $100,000 for the 2 months in the hospital. Had they approved the 1 visit initially, they would have figured out the problem from the get go, and saved $999,700. I have also had many instances where my doctor would prescribe me a medication due to the numerous issues I have as a result of the treatment I had as a child, and insurance would refuse and say "well, that med is for someone over 80." The way I see it is they are already dictating our care. If I were to make an appointment with my kidney dr. tomorrow (only have 1 kidney due to the radiation I had as a child) would have to schedule 3-4 months out to get an appointment. Can't get much worse than this. By the way, Iam a self employed attorney and pay for a plan with Harvard Pilgrim, not welfare. Quoting: Shellbe You're an ATTORNEY, with those atrocious writing and math skills?! That's fucking SCARY! |
Isis One User ID: 14343270 United States 11/08/2012 12:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | She's probably crying because she won't make as much money. Boo boo. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11758031 ^I thot this, too lol obumma care is a government control health care program ,they will make the rules how much doctors will get How much doctors get has already been dictated by the government for decades, medicare's rates are the standard. Spread the word, change the collective conscious...... THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 26085824 United States 11/08/2012 12:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The problem is not the insurance companies, as much as liberals like to say that. One problem is tort laws that allow lawsuit for ridiculous things. If a doctor has a patient with a pain, and 99% of the time it can be diagnosed with simple procedures, but there is an infinitesimal chance the procedure might miss something, they send them on to the cat scan or MRI to avoid a potentially devastating lawsuit. This often costs the insurance company thousands of dollars. Obama stated early on he was against tort reform, because lawyers contribute heavily to the Dems. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26085824 Another problem is the welfare people that check in with "stomach pains" to get a clean bed, color TV with remote, free drugs, and three squares a day. Dozens did this on a regular basis at his hospital in a major city. It costs tax payers tens of thousands every day. The final problem is that Medicare sets the standards that all doctors have to comply with. My oldest son is in his second year of residency. They are literally working him to death. He was a great kid, Eagle Scout, worked 40 hour weeks while going to college. Graduated college in three years. In his first year of residency he saw the truth. In his internal medicine rotation he could see one patient every 30 minutes. 7-8 minutes seeing the patient, 20 minutes filling out redundant forms, required everywhere because of Medicare standards. He has 200,000 of med school debt, and now his future is being stripped from him by obamacare. I highly advise potential premeds to think twice about going to med school. Mountains of debt, delayed income, then a mountain of government regulations, now obamacare. I don't write this for the hard headed liberals on here. I write this for the real people who live in the real world, that really want to understand the problems. No liberal tried to refute my post, so I'll bump it. Maybe at least one of them is open minded enough to learn something from some who has actually heard first hand what is going on. Still no liberal snide comments on this truth. It's my family's truth and I despise liberals for wrecking my son's future. Potential pre-meds. DO NOT GO INTO MEDICINE. My son would not make the same choice again if he had the chance. He made 99% on the STEP 1 exam. And now his life is miserable. Do not let these f'g liberals ruin your life. Choose a different path. Do not be suckered in. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27179418 Canada 11/08/2012 12:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It will be funny when all the libtards realize that by law they have to buy health insurance and if they don't pay up they are fined a minimum 695$ or 2.5% of their income whatever is higher. Then they are going to realize that their taxes are going way up in January and that medicare is getting robbed and many hospitals cannot afford and will not accept new medicare patients. These are just a few things that the libtards voted for. We'll they got them and they have no one else to blame except themselves. Most of the libtards have no clue what they voted for, they are in for a very rude awakening. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 294623 United States 11/08/2012 12:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you really have to pay cash to get fixed in the hospital in America. Quoting: Doommincus Maximus What if you are severly injured or dying and you dont have enough money to pay them, what happens, or do you have to pay first. I'm keen to understand how the system works now, and what affect this new system will have, could someone explain for me please. In America if you go to the doctor for a headache you are looking at a $500 trip. First they have to bring in a phlebotomist to draw blood and determine if your liver can handle the toxic effects of Tylenol. Then they bring in a Registered nurse to take your vitals, height, weight, eye color, blood pressure. You then get to see a doctor that prescribes you a $50 dollar Tylenol pill and schedules you a follow up visit. $500 total. You will be happy to know though, that on the follow up visit the doctor will happily push statins on you, so long as you get blood drawn every other month... $500 $500 $500 $500 $500 ... (till you fucking die) It's fucking retarded. I'm actually banned from a local doctors office for refusing to play this game. Since he cannot extract money from me, he refuses to treat me for typical shit you see a doctor for, like the flu or rash or whatever... If you are going to die on the spot, hospitals are required by law to try and save you, the $100,000 bill comes later, and is typically never paid, especially if your name is Jose. Nothing will change, except the amount of money extracted from the American people will increase, while the quality of services decreases. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23834696 United States 11/08/2012 12:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | She went to school for the wrong reason, if she wanted to get rich she should not have went to med school and went to Wall St like I did. That was the best advice I received from an older doctor. "Kid if you are here just because of money you will hate it, not to mention the gravy train doesn't last forever". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24673573 It makes me sick we have doctors making 4-500k a year not complaining they will only be making in the 2's. Really how much do you need. I say that in an anti greedy way because it is a consistent form of income it is not like these doctors are burnt out by the age of 40 and in need of a profession change if they are not lucky enough to retire. They have a good 20 years ahead of them to branch out. The majority that are voicing such complaints are on hospital boards and are not practicing anymore, they are greatly out of touch with the the actual doctors currently practicing. I somehow feel that the op is full of shit. sorry AC, you are just another democrat obama shill, and you NEVER had the option of going to medical school, nor did you go to Wall Street I call total BS on your crap story I'm not a doctor, but I have quite a few friends who attended medical school, and after nearly $400,000 of expenses, tuition, startup costs to begin a practice, for them to earn what you want to pay them is a travesty You guys sound EXACTLY like the idiot Russian marxists in 1917, who similarly fixated on doctors and their pay Those braintrusts decided to pay doctors the same as tractor drivers, to make it clear that they didn't value their high falutin education, and to break their spirits a bit Great..so for about 5 years tractor drivers felt superior to doctors and doctors were ground down in salary and prestige Guess what happened...over time the doctors who were trained under the Tsar either fled the country or died out, and fewer and fewer people wanted to become doctors because it simply wasn't worth the trouble and long hours...never mind the lack of pay end result: chronic shortage of doctors You petty envrious small minded retards want to insist that doctors go into a highly demanding profession which requires intelligence skill and discipline...and you want them to almost donate their time like they're saints Meanwhile, you see nothing wrong with a Rap star making millions or a sports thug earning tens of millions and going into it for the money fuck you AC: go eat a dick |
Isis One User ID: 14343270 United States 11/08/2012 12:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you really have to pay cash to get fixed in the hospital in America. Quoting: Doommincus Maximus What if you are severly injured or dying and you dont have enough money to pay them, what happens, or do you have to pay first. I'm keen to understand how the system works now, and what affect this new system will have, could someone explain for me please. No. You can go into the ER and they take care of you, if you need surgery you will get it. You are then billed, they will set up payment plans for you. You don't know SHIT about ER's and health care. You stupid fuck, hospitals treat indigent patients on a daily basis. Ability to pay is irrelevant. Emergent patients are NOT turned away. Uninsured patients cost the hospital industry over 20 billion dollars last year. They had to eat the cost of it. On the other hand, my a friend's brother (who had health insurance) was admitted after a car accident and before you could say jiminy cricket, his insurance carrier had slapped a lien on his house!!!!! THEN, when he got an insurance settlement from the accident (he's pretty much vegetative for life) he had to pay his insurance carrier back the $350,000 his critical care had cost. That was in Florida and may differ by state. Also, the lawyers in forida can only make a certain percentage after the first million. Here's an additional tidbit, the injured guy's family contacted an attorney friend, she referred them to attorneys in the state the accident occurred. Turns out their "friend" made several hundred thousand dollars just for giving the family a contact phone number, several hundred thousand!!!!!!. Whats wrong with this picture? Spread the word, change the collective conscious...... THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
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SeekTruth User ID: 1508496 United States 11/08/2012 12:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My BF's Mom is a psychiatrist. Not the 'sit down and tell me about your feelings' person in an office, but the 'why did you feel that swallowing shards of glass was the best route to death' in a hospital type(she does see patients in her office 2 days/wk as well). This lady is 4'11" and weighs 95 lbs and has to calmly deal with and treat patients who have just killed people, but were injured during arrest. So, I'm sorry, but it seems like she earns her "comfortable" living. She drives a 9 year old (non-luxury) SUV and lives in a 2600 SF house she's had for 20 years (it is in a nice part of town, though). She very rarely buys anything nice, expensive...or actually at all for herself. She eats all meals outside of work at home. The only time she ever has dinner in a restaurant, it is a required business dinner with her practice. The money she doesn't spend on bills or putting away for retirement goes to helping her two children with their education costs. I will admit that she's never *worried* about her finances, which is quite the luxury to some, including myself. My point is not all Dr's are rich a**holes flaunting their $$$ everywhere. Most do have to work very hard and deal with things other professions/people couldn't handle day-to-day. As an example: most folks have worked in the food/hospitality industry at some point or another. You have all this customer service crap to worry and you can't just tell the public to f*ck-off (if you want to stay employed). Everyone in that industry, with all the dealing with different types of people all the time has days where they want to throw in the towel...imagine the worst possible customer a server, for example, could have...someone who is rude and vile, someone who was having an awful day before they sat at your table and now they want to make your life hell, they send back their half-eaten food, they get free stuff from management, they don't pay their bill, they make an enormous mess, and to top-it-all off one of their bratty, poorly behaved children had a sh*tty diaper and smeared sh*t all over the booth before they left...Now imagine that customer was naked the whole time. That'll give you an idea of what healthcare industry professionals go through every day. Actually, just go to peopleofwalmart.com (or any other site with lots of different kinds of people on it) and imagine them naked...sometimes ( [link to www.peopleofwalmart.com] they've done half the work for you! Every "saint" has a past and every "sinner" has a future :) |
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