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Election Fraud: Fact or Fiction?

 
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Fact or Fiction?
Fiction this year
Romney lost it because of his stupid politics

Fact year 1990
Bush stole the election with Florida electoral Fraud

Otherwise I do not see any real fraud But I do think they should change the Electoral College votes to be 1 vote for every so many votes maybe winner for each county
Something has to change to make the election fair and not make the large states decide every election.
Perhaps also PUT A LIMIT ON CONGRESS AND SENATE to only one reelection and take away from lifetime politicians to only two terms to give new people and new ideas instead of the corporations running the Congress and Senate
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first you are stupid fuck,1990?really now?i live near chicago we invented voter fraud.no i.d. needed to vote.you could easily vote more than once and many do.thats all i am gonna say.1990?that was before clinton you twit.
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LOOK FOR MISSING WHITES.

According to Gallup, white turnout was supposed to be 78%. Somehow it ended up being only 72%. Where did they go?
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This is the key IMHO. They are saying that the turnout for this election was very low, which should favor republicans, but it didn't. Does that jive with the consensus on the ground? Everything I've seen says that the turnout was phenomenal. My polling station was packed.

[link to www.abc15.com]

Other bloggers are also very suspicious of these numbers.
[link to theulstermanreport.com]

[link to lamecherry.blogspot.com]
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Here's my 2 cents worth of information concerning Election Day in OH.

At 11:12 p.m., major networks including CBS NEWS decided to call the state of Ohio for Obama which gave the win in the election to him.

A few minutes later (approx. 11:25 p.m.), FOX News followed suit with the other major networks and called Ohio for Obama and awarded the election win to Obama.

A 11:28 p.m., right after FOX NEWS called the state of OH for Obama, FOX News' Contributer and former Bush campaign strategist, Karl Rove, stated on air that in his expert opinion calling the state of Ohio for Obama at that time was most definitively premature.

At 11:32 p.m., FOX NEWS' Brett Baer made a statement that he had been in telephone contact with the Romney camp and they were not buying the call of OH being given to Obama and, thus, no one would be walking up to a podium to accept the win anytime soon.

At 11:34 p.m., in response to Karl Roves protestations and the lack of consensus regarding OH expressed by the Romney camp, FOX NEWS interviewed the FOX NEWS election Decision Room experts on air to determine what their collective opinion was in comparison to that of Karl Rove. The Decision Room experts claimed that they were 99.95% sure that OH would go to Obama and that is why they had approved of calling the state of OH for Obama a few minutes earlier.

A 11:36 p.m., FOX Decision Desk experts were asked why they had such high certitude regarding their decision, they responded by saying that most of the votes cast in Cayahoga County (Cleveland) in OH had not yet been counted and SURELY MOST OF THESE VOTES UWOULD BE DEMOCRATIC.

At 11:43 p.m., FOX NEWS' Brett Baer and Megan Kelly asked Carl Rove to provide additional explanation for his analysis of the situation regarding the call on OH. Rove explained that at the time the state of OH was called for Obama by FOX NEWS, both Obama and Romney each had 49% of the vote and only 990 votes separated them.

Megan Kelly then asked Karl Rove how he felt about the FOX Decision Desk expressing a certitude of 99.95% concerning the call of OH to Obama. Rove explained that he did not agree with their stance because at the time OH was called for Obama (unlike what the Decision Desk experts said was TRUE), there were only about 200,000 votes yet to come in from Cayahoga county (Cleveland, a Democrat stronghold). At the same time, there were still 1.2 million more votes cast in OH to count. Additionally, a big chunk of the outstanding votes that were yet to come in were from Hamilton County (a Republican stronghold) and Delaware County (Republican stronghold too).

Rove then went on to explain that at the time OH was called for Obama, every 2% of the vote that came in Romney was gaining on Obama 0.5% and 60% of the voting precincts in Cayahoga County had reported, so with 23% of the vote outsanding, there was no trend to support calling the state of OH at that time for either candidate.

Following a short ommercial break, FOX NEWS' Brett Baer then stated that after further consultation with the Decision Desk experts FOX NEWS was going to stand behind their decision to call the state of OH for Obama and the election win for Obama.

Soon after that, FOX NEWS put on an older statisician who had more years of doing what Karl Rove does who proceeded to talk to Karl Rove on air. It was obvious that this older more experienced FOX NEWS consultant had been brought on air to "put Karl Rove in his place" and get him to back off of his position concerning the prematurity of the call of the state of OH for Obama.

Although Rove turned down his rhetoric, he was careful to again emphasize that at the time OH was called for Obama only 990 votes (less than 2 one-hundredths of the total votes cast) separated the two candidates in OH.

At the time Rove toned down his rhetoric, Romney was leading Obama in the popular vote nationwide by 123,000. Rove pointed out that that number of votes was less than the margin of votes that separated GWB and Gore at the end of the 2000 election cycle.

The last two things I'll add are:

About 5 p.m. on election day it was announced on the news that two judges (a Republican and a Democrat I believe) were removed from a voting precinct in OH with the reason given that a group of Pentecostal Christians had shown up at that precinct to vote but were not on the official role and they were allowed to vote with regular ballots rather than provisional ballots.

Also at about 5 p.m. on election day I saw a GLP thread which I believe quoted a Drudge story which claimed that some people (associated with the Democratic Party) had shown up at one or more voting precincts in OH (Republican areas) and had applied some sort of a computer "patch" to the electronic voting machines that were present which made a certain percentage of votes cast for Romney come up as having been cast for Obma instead.

Well, that's about all that I am aware of.
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Thanks for the detail.
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Thread: Romney Got Zero votes in Cleveland (OH) entire inner city. Major Fraud !!!

Great thread started on Ohio voting irregularity.
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I'm still analyzing the state of Ohio, but have found some very interesting numbers that simply don't add up given population growth in that state, and strong anecdotal evidence of significantly higher voter turnout compared to 2008 - particularly in the Republican districts.

One of the more interesting points off the bat is that Ohio somehow lost over 300,000 registered voters between 2008 and 2012 - while population increased.

I'm still working through the information, but will begin to post more specific info in the coming days.

The more I dig though, the more it stinks.
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Thread: WHERE DID 16 MILLION WHITE VOTES GO????

This is a great one as well.

I will try to link all of these threads here as this progresses, but I'm guessing that there will be a number of them in the coming days and weeks.
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I am one certainly willing to concede when I perceive that I've truly lost. Hell, I will shake the other guy's hand and even eat crow every now and then, but I simply cannot get this election out of my mind. The numbers just don't add up to the anecdotal evidence I've seen and heard.

I guess it's because I don't trust anything coming from MSM (including Fox now), and I certainly wouldn't put it past this current administration (or system, shall we say) to outright beg, borrow or steal in order to retain power. In fact, the stakes are too high for them and I believe that this administration absolutely HAD to win, or face their full demise (personally and as a party) - with many of them possibly going to jail. They also HAD to retain the Senate for much the same reason, to ensure that they had the ability to complete their task over the next four years without fear of impeachment. So, in effect, this was a life or death situation, and I'm confident that the rule-of-law means nothing to them - so it's at least logical to surmise that they are capable of just about anything in this light.

Now, I'm watching the aftermath and everyone (including Fox) is literally glancing over this potential issue to the greatest extent they can even in light of the extensive reports from EVERYONE of the phenomenal turnout - particularly in the swing states, and certainly contrary to what we all believed prior to last night's final results. I'm also already seeing libitard comedy skits (such as Southpark and others as I type this) making light of this very real concern - just one day past the election. This is a typical liberal tactic (to marginalize the actual crime), and one that has been employed successfully since their inception - particularly over the last four years. I know that the Gore challenge of 2000 is at the top of most everyone's minds as well, so those with real concerns (and possibly evidence) are even more reluctant to voice the subject for fear of backlash. Finally, we all have a sense of normalcy bias (even those of us on GLP), and the thought of something so damning as a complete compromise of our electorate is something we'd all rather not confront if push truly came to shove.

Nonetheless, I'm throwing it out here for real discussion, and believe that any remaining Americans that care for this country's survival need to do everything possible to vet this to its end (so please contribute if you can), and then hold those responsible accountable if true. If proven false and baseless, I will then happily eat crow and go on my merry way - and will actually be relieved that I was wrong. I have to believe that those more powerful than we on GLP are doing the same as we speak, but I'm the type that must answer these questions for myself and will attempt to do my part to the best of my ability (time permitting). Maybe you guys will do the same?

Anyway, to start, I would like to focus on just one state at a time, and have chosen Ohio as my task (if anyone wants to join in, great - or pick a different swing state). I plan to research the voting methodologies employed at each precinct, accumulate the data being released relating to each to the extent possible, compare that data to both the news reports and previous election results, and then accumulate as much anecdotal evidence as possible to further compare against in hopes of reaching a viable and supportable conclusion. Some of you may be more gifted than I in the art of forensic research, so please chime in if you think this approach misguided or off base.

I will begin posting my findings as I discover them, and then I hope to post a final conclusion upon completion....hopefully eating crow in the process.
 Quoting: SaveUSa


The answers you are looking for are here:

+compare numbers from 2008 (Mccain/Palin vs Obama/Biden)
county by county. Any similarities?

+diebold (KRove & the dregs of Pax Americana)

vs

SCYTL / SOE and Argentina Black Box voting machines and algos.
 Quoting: Companion to Owls 1487421


Precisely what I'm doing, and then some.

Thanks and I agree.
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In fact, the stakes are too high for them and I believe that this administration absolutely HAD to win, or face their full demise (personally and as a party) - with many of them possibly going to jail.


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Sounds a lot like the 2000 and 2004 elections. Bush, Clinton, Bush II, Obama, the players change, but the game remains the same. It doesn't matter if they are Repub or Dem, they will never hold the other side accountable because they don't want people digging around in their own backyard. They're all criminals. Period. And they are all ultimately on the same side, serving the same people.
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In fact, the stakes are too high for them and I believe that this administration absolutely HAD to win, or face their full demise (personally and as a party) - with many of them possibly going to jail.


 Quoting: SaveUSa


Sounds a lot like the 2000 and 2004 elections. Bush, Clinton, Bush II, Obama, the players change, but the game remains the same. It doesn't matter if they are Repub or Dem, they will never hold the other side accountable because they don't want people digging around in their own backyard. They're all criminals. Period. And they are all ultimately on the same side, serving the same people.
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Beginning to believe this, as much I don't want to.
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The missing whites aren't missing per se, they were 'no shows'.

The no shows are lower middle class men, skilled trades, and educated who no longer identify with a Afro/Hispanic-centric President . They voted for him in 2008 because a black President brought a novel thrill to a demographic wanting to prove they were both enlightened and progressive. 4 years later those same 'missing' white voters are still unemployed / underemployed, in bankruptcy, their families breaking under the demands of a passive-aggressive socialist Administration. IMO, many struggled greatly with the notion of a wealthy Mormon at the helm. They felt the only choice they had was to make no choice at all. A silent protest if you will.

The Republicans did NOT lose the election, Mitt Romney did.
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Of course obama (lying fraud) cheated. They had nothing to lose if caught as most of them are already guilty of crimes against the country. When the facts come out there should be no mercy for the perpetrators.
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[link to www.blackboxvoting.org]
"And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius

"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."
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Thread: None of this is making sense....How did Obama win?

Another.
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 Quoting: Saddletramp


Great write-up from what Ive read so far.

Thanks!
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Thread: WHERE DID 16 MILLION WHITE VOTES GO????

This is a great one as well.

I will try to link all of these threads here as this progresses, but I'm guessing that there will be a number of them in the coming days and weeks.
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Wrong tree.

How would anyone know if missing votes were supposed to be "white"? This is misinfo...Votes is votes.
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Voters in Florida were still waiting to cast their ballots more than six hours after polls closed on Election Day..
Many reports of running out of ballots mostly in GOP areas .
Many left and did not vote.
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Voter frauds in Virgina, and other states.
[link to www.examiner.com]
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The missing whites aren't missing per se, they were 'no shows'.

The no shows are lower middle class men, skilled trades, and educated who no longer identify with a Afro/Hispanic-centric President . They voted for him in 2008 because a black President brought a novel thrill to a demographic wanting to prove they were both enlightened and progressive. 4 years later those same 'missing' white voters are still unemployed / underemployed, in bankruptcy, their families breaking under the demands of a passive-aggressive socialist Administration. IMO, many struggled greatly with the notion of a wealthy Mormon at the helm. They felt the only choice they had was to make no choice at all. A silent protest if you will.

The Republicans did NOT lose the election, Mitt Romney did.
 Quoting: craftybiatchytwo


Not sure I agree with this. In Ohio at least, and in the White/Republican districts of which there were many, the turnout was a blowout from everything I've read. In fact, there is strong evidence that the turnout entirely dwarfed 2008, yet we somehow have fewer votes than 2008? To top it off, there were 300k less registered voters compared to 2008 to boot - in a state that has seen steady population growth (and an aging public)....this alone tells me that the numbers simply don't add up.

Here are the official Registered voter counts dating back to 1984:

Presidential Registered Difference
6-Nov-12 7,985,428 -305,811 (unofficial from SOS)
4-Nov-08 8,291,239 318,413
2-Nov-04 7,972,826 441,271
7-Nov-00 7,531,555 651,868
5-Nov-96 6,879,687 342,751
3-Nov-92 6,536,936 261,298
8-Nov-88 6,275,638 -56,816
6-Nov-84 6,332,454

So, given the trend over EVERY election since 84 (with the exception of 1988), the registered voter pool has increased quite significantly term over term - yet we somehow lost over 300k voters this election? Now, I understand that there could have been some population bleed into other states due to the economy; however, the overall population of the state increased...as follows:

Ohio Election Population (per US Census data)
6-Nov-12 11,545,202
4-Nov-08 11,466,917
2-Nov-04 11,459,011
7-Nov-00 11,353,140
5-Nov-96 11,282,188
3-Nov-92 10,992,139

Subsequently, I'm currently not buying this story, and while I haven't concluded that some type of BS occurred, I'm certainly leaning that way for now.

As soon as I obtain the official statistics, we'll have more to sink our teeth into.
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Voters in Florida were still waiting to cast their ballots more than six hours after polls closed on Election Day..
Many reports of running out of ballots mostly in GOP areas .
Many left and did not vote.
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That is information I need, but I need something more than your word if true. Do you have published or verifiable evidence supporting this claim? If true, this could explain some of the fallout, but I doubt all of it. While Florida is not my state of choice, it might help somebody else that decides to do the same analysis there....

Again, while I am somewhat biased, I truly am trying to look at this objectively with an eye toward disproving my theory...so any REAL evidence that might explain or contradict my findings here is welcome.

If disproven, we then at least know the system still works, and the conservative base needs to rethink their approach to future elections.

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Fraud was undeniable on a massive level.
If fraud is defined by repression of the truth and misrepresentation of the facts then to oblamerites who have lied about themselves, their goals their accomplishments and have lied about every aspect of their opposition JUST THEIR CAMPAIGN ALONE is fraudulent.
Of course, the liberals with a philosophy of winning by any means possible have no problem with fuking the system and openly brag of destabilizing the process with deviation.
You should know that whenever those in power realize they have absolute power over information they go rouge in short order and eventually dispense with their inconvenient constituencies.
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That is information I need,


No, the information you need is this:

"Prepare yourself to accept every free gratuity which is being offered you. Do not be repulsed by this, but start pondering this as a chess move. It will be explained."

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the extended early voting was speceifically created for fraud to be possible, there would be much unmonitored time, many opportunities for votes to be added or removed and 200k different voting precincts to occur in.
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Consider the 2010 turnout that was devastating for democrats. I believe the 2012 should have been the same or more. Obama should have lost to a landslide.

Something stinks.
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I just heard on local radio that our little county (98,000) still hasn't counted 15,000 votes. They also said that California hasn't counted 4 million votes.

[link to knco.com]

Also they announced on radio news that they found 17 ballots that had already been counted but were scrutinized closer in a recount and they were found to be invalid. But they announced that since it wouldn't change the outcome of the election they weren't going to deduct them.

The 4 million uncounted votes in California won't make a difference but what if other states (swing states & states that were close) have that many or more to count yet?
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Consider the 2010 turnout that was devastating for democrats. I believe the 2012 should have been the same or more. Obama should have lost to a landslide.

Something stinks.
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Yep...although 2010 turnout was not as high due to it only being Congressional. But I will be comparing those figures as well.
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I just heard on local radio that our little county (98,000) still hasn't counted 15,000 votes. They also said that California hasn't counted 4 million votes.

[link to knco.com]

Also they announced on radio news that they found 17 ballots that had already been counted but were scrutinized closer in a recount and they were found to be invalid. But they announced that since it wouldn't change the outcome of the election they weren't going to deduct them.

The 4 million uncounted votes in California won't make a difference but what if other states (swing states & states that were close) have that many or more to count yet?
 Quoting: January Wolves


Quite possible, but the "registered voter" count is set prior to the election, and that figure falling 300k from 2008 in Ohio should alone be sufficient evidence to dig into this....

Something was definitely amiss.
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I did not vote for Romney but he was cheated. The fraud was flagrant and widespread. I just hope there is some journalistic will to get this story out.
For nothing is secret that will not be revealed…

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Thread: Is This Possible?! Obama Won County in Ohio with 108% Voter Registration

Another good thread.

I will organize all of these into an easy-to-follow format as I conclude my research...
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I did not vote for Romney but he was cheated. The fraud was flagrant and widespread. I just hope there is some journalistic will to get this story out.
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What's interesting to me is that the Romney campaign does not appear to be digging into this, at least publicly...Wonder if he really wasn't supposed to win, or simply didn't want to knowing the shit-storm that's about to hit this country.
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