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Why do you have a problem with people receiving GOV assistants but not corporations?

 
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Why do you have a problem with people receiving GOV assistants but not corporations?
A lot of you people here on GLP seem to think people on welfare(the vets, the disabled, the old, people who make under 20k) are the problem. But there is no outrage or anger for the companies who make billions yet find ways to stick their hands in the pot. When you come one here and make threads about people who receive "handouts" when most of them actually need all the help they can get but fail to mention companies who exploit gov assistants you look like a bunch of selective problem solving hypocrite. How can you sit behind your screen and bash these people yet turn the other way at the real problem. Its like the cop who would rather chase down someone peeing in an ally instead of the guy mugging down the street.

We need to do better.
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Corporations. And sports teams.
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TARP trillions, or $80 a month in food stamps... you decide.
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A lot of you people here on GLP seem to think people on welfare(the vets, the disabled, the old, people who make under 20k) are the problem. But there is no outrage or anger for the companies who make billions yet find ways to stick their hands in the pot. When you come one here and make threads about people who receive "handouts" when most of them actually need all the help they can get but fail to mention companies who exploit gov assistants you look like a bunch of selective problem solving hypocrite. How can you sit behind your screen and bash these people yet turn the other way at the real problem. Its like the cop who would rather chase down someone peeing in an ally instead of the guy mugging down the street.

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Corporations aren't people? Most likely the reason why, but I'm with you on this one and see your point.

Corporate welfare, especially in the security/defense complex is rampantly corrupt, but they have the lobbyists and ordinary people do not. That's the only difference.
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A lot of you people here on GLP seem to think people on welfare(the vets, the disabled, the old, people who make under 20k) are the problem. But there is no outrage or anger for the companies who make billions yet find ways to stick their hands in the pot. When you come one here and make threads about people who receive "handouts" when most of them actually need all the help they can get but fail to mention companies who exploit gov assistants you look like a bunch of selective problem solving hypocrite. How can you sit behind your screen and bash these people yet turn the other way at the real problem. Its like the cop who would rather chase down someone peeing in an ally instead of the guy mugging down the street.

We need to do better.
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So true.

Cowards target those whom appear weaker.

Only a warrior would fight a battle which outcome was uncertain.
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Trillions to mega Banks and Billions to Oil Companies just to name a few!
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Corporations aren't people? Most likely the reason why, but I'm with you on this one and see your point.

Corporate welfare, especially in the security/defense complex is rampantly corrupt, but they have the lobbyists and ordinary people do not. That's the only difference.
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corporations are owned by people so it makes no real difference.
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A lot of you people here on GLP seem to think people on welfare(the vets, the disabled, the old, people who make under 20k) are the problem. But there is no outrage or anger for the companies who make billions yet find ways to stick their hands in the pot. When you come one here and make threads about people who receive "handouts" when most of them actually need all the help they can get but fail to mention companies who exploit gov assistants you look like a bunch of selective problem solving hypocrite. How can you sit behind your screen and bash these people yet turn the other way at the real problem. Its like the cop who would rather chase down someone peeing in an ally instead of the guy mugging down the street.

We need to do better.
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The government is a corporation

Corporations are the problem

Take fishing licenses. Why do individuals need fishing licenses and why can only certain fish and sizes be caught? The government/corporation doesn't own the fish.

The corporations with their big fishing nets are the problem and not the individual fisherman

Corporations are number one problem in this world
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A lot of you people here on GLP seem to think people on welfare(the vets, the disabled, the old, people who make under 20k) are the problem.
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Really? Like who? And where?

And it's not just corporations that are the problem. It's the BANKS.

It's obvious as fuck you're a Democrat, since you are spewing the same, idiotic talking points about corporate welfare being the problem and avoiding to talk about THE BANKS.

So stop posting on the internet please. And yes, too much unregulated welfare hurts the poor as well.
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Human secularism has been jammed down our throats for the last 40 years because the boomers did not like having religion jammed down their throat when growing up. They also rebeled against the "chores" like keeping up a home/farm and especially the "chore" of having a full time nurturer for children in a monogamous two parent household.

A critical component of human secularism is management theory. Two-Factor a.k.a. hygiene-motivator dictates that people must not only always work, but must always have a system of "rewards" for the work they do. Tickets to tax subsidized sports events. use of the corporations resources to execute "charity" initiatives, and most importantly, health insurance if you are really good employee. you can observe this system by watching rats in a laboratory perform tasks ... then rewarded with food, treats, cocaine, etc. This is how consumerism was vetted.

One thing that is never part of reputable management theory is consideration of the actual work that actually needs to be done. Supply and Demand is for the 3rd tier economists. It is a taboo to discuss the actual requirements in business situations. Marketing, Finance, tax treatment are paramount. Mitt Romney is the poster child for this.

The MIC, financial, housing and auto industry bailouts saved the pride of boomer era executives/MBAs and prevented them from ever needing to adapt or regress. Unfortunately these things will be both be required to prevent Weimier Republic hyper inflation and put meritorious, dignified life back in the 1st world.

Ending the tax code is the first step. (not taxes themselves, just the absurd set of rules fueled by coke and hookers on K-Street D.C.)
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Corporate welfare is constantly attacked on this site.

I especially don't like how huge corporations lobby to get their products and retail outlets eligible for EBT. Big Business loves it some food stamps.
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US Welfare spending 220 billion a year. Wars, corporate subsidies, bank bailouts = TRILLIONS a year. But you can't be racist towards a corporate entity or a war or bank. The only people you will ever mainly see bitching about welfare (the drop in the bucket that it is) are old ass rich grey haired white men.
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Corporate welfare is constantly attacked on this site.

I especially don't like how huge corporations lobby to get their products and retail outlets eligible for EBT. Big Business loves it some food stamps.
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When possible I work with bottom tier charities for truly destitute people in Detroit like areas.

We grow gardens, acquire surplus from farmers markets. Bulk protein and canned goods from food services companies and schools. The elderly still accepts and uses these things. Nearly every person from 5 to 50 does not take the stuff, or if they do, they resell it.

Do you know why? Destitute, unemployed people no longer have the knowledge or "time" to prepare their own food. They need to be able to put a EBT hotpocket in the microwave for their 8 month old. As you mentioned: walmart, kraft, heinz, P&G, JP Morgan, etc. don't complain one bit about food stamps

damned
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I'll tell you something.

Capitalism is not real. It doesn't exist otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess.

We are run by criminals and the pseudo capitalists are benefiting.

Let real capitalism flourish.

Depressions and recessions we have had over the years doesn't happen to the magnitude under a pure capitalist system.

If you fail you should fail regardless if you are an individual or corporatiion.
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Corporate welfare is constantly attacked on this site.

I especially don't like how huge corporations lobby to get their products and retail outlets eligible for EBT. Big Business loves it some food stamps.
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When possible I work with bottom tier charities for truly destitute people in Detroit like areas.

We grow gardens, acquire surplus from farmers markets. Bulk protein and canned goods from food services companies and schools. The elderly still accepts and uses these things. Nearly every person from 5 to 50 does not take the stuff, or if they do, they resell it.

Do you know why? Destitute, unemployed people no longer have the knowledge or "time" to prepare their own food. They need to be able to put a EBT hotpocket in the microwave for their 8 month old. As you mentioned: walmart, kraft, heinz, P&G, JP Morgan, etc. don't complain one bit about food stamps

damned
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I genuinely don't like people like you. Detroit doesn't need help -- it needs to cease existing. Shrug, Atlas. Shrug.
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Corporations provide jobs and drive the economy and should be encouraged to prosper in any way possible by the government. Incentives to business usually involves letting them keep money that they have already earned themselves. On the other hand, providing a free ride to useless parasites who contribute nothing to society but crime and more parasites is stupid and counterproductive. Plus, it deprives those who receive it of any motive to maybe get busy and create a corporation of their own. None of this really matters anyway, we have reached the point where there are enough unproductive people in the country to vote themselves money and the US has begun its descent into the trash bin of history. Look at the history of the Roman empire. And learn to speak Chinese.
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Corporate welfare is constantly attacked on this site.

I especially don't like how huge corporations lobby to get their products and retail outlets eligible for EBT. Big Business loves it some food stamps.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1421478


When possible I work with bottom tier charities for truly destitute people in Detroit like areas.

We grow gardens, acquire surplus from farmers markets. Bulk protein and canned goods from food services companies and schools. The elderly still accepts and uses these things. Nearly every person from 5 to 50 does not take the stuff, or if they do, they resell it.

Do you know why? Destitute, unemployed people no longer have the knowledge or "time" to prepare their own food. They need to be able to put a EBT hotpocket in the microwave for their 8 month old. As you mentioned: walmart, kraft, heinz, P&G, JP Morgan, etc. don't complain one bit about food stamps

damned
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Every time potpocket comes up, I always think of Jim Gaffigan's stand up on hotpockets. chuckle
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Corporations provide jobs and drive the economy and should be encouraged to prosper in any way possible by the government. Incentives to business usually involves letting them keep money that they have already earned themselves. On the other hand, providing a free ride to useless parasites who contribute nothing to society but crime and more parasites is stupid and counterproductive. Plus, it deprives those who receive it of any motive to maybe get busy and create a corporation of their own. None of this really matters anyway, we have reached the point where there are enough unproductive people in the country to vote themselves money and the US has begun its descent into the trash bin of history. Look at the history of the Roman empire. And learn to speak Chinese.
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Regarding parasites voting themselves luxury. You must consider the technological advancement of the last 50 years. how many nick knack shops do we need when amazon will deliver? How many metal workers do we need when a CNC machine can do it better, safer, cheaper?

The corporate vehicle is an adult shark that has been protected 'till adulthood. no personal liability, 2 day bankrupcy, million dollar tax refunds AFTER billions of profit. Once these spoiled brats are released, they consume everything in its ecosystem, including government.

We don't need more people starting corporations. such as daycare facilities, services for education, homebuilders, etc. we need more people raising their own kids and actually living in the homes we overbuilt from 1994-2008. We do need healthcare for people who don't happen to work for a corporation that pays no taxes.
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Corporations provide jobs and drive the economy and should be encouraged to prosper in any way possible by the government. Incentives to business usually involves letting them keep money that they have already earned themselves. On the other hand, providing a free ride to useless parasites who contribute nothing to society but crime and more parasites is stupid and counterproductive. Plus, it deprives those who receive it of any motive to maybe get busy and create a corporation of their own. None of this really matters anyway, we have reached the point where there are enough unproductive people in the country to vote themselves money and the US has begun its descent into the trash bin of history. Look at the history of the Roman empire. And learn to speak Chinese.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25059788


Regarding parasites voting themselves luxury. You must consider the technological advancement of the last 50 years. how many nick knack shops do we need when amazon will deliver? How many metal workers do we need when a CNC machine can do it better, safer, cheaper?

The corporate vehicle is an adult shark that has been protected 'till adulthood. no personal liability, 2 day bankrupcy, million dollar tax refunds AFTER billions of profit. Once these spoiled brats are released, they consume everything in its ecosystem, including government.

We don't need more people starting corporations. such as daycare facilities, services for education, homebuilders, etc. we need more people raising their own kids and actually living in the homes we overbuilt from 1994-2008. We do need healthcare for people who don't happen to work for a corporation that pays no taxes.
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You make a good point in that.. the industrial revolution is long gone. As more and more jobs are replaced by process automation.. less workers are needed.. now what?

Computers replace accountants, robotic assembly replaces line workers.. there is simply less need for laborers. And yet we fail to grasp the systemic nature of a changing economy and blame the individuals themselves.
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Corporations provide jobs and drive the economy and should be encouraged to prosper in any way possible by the government. Incentives to business usually involves letting them keep money that they have already earned themselves. On the other hand, providing a free ride to useless parasites who contribute nothing to society but crime and more parasites is stupid and counterproductive. Plus, it deprives those who receive it of any motive to maybe get busy and create a corporation of their own. None of this really matters anyway, we have reached the point where there are enough unproductive people in the country to vote themselves money and the US has begun its descent into the trash bin of history. Look at the history of the Roman empire. And learn to speak Chinese.
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Regarding parasites voting themselves luxury. You must consider the technological advancement of the last 50 years. how many nick knack shops do we need when amazon will deliver? How many metal workers do we need when a CNC machine can do it better, safer, cheaper?

The corporate vehicle is an adult shark that has been protected 'till adulthood. no personal liability, 2 day bankrupcy, million dollar tax refunds AFTER billions of profit. Once these spoiled brats are released, they consume everything in its ecosystem, including government.

We don't need more people starting corporations. such as daycare facilities, services for education, homebuilders, etc. we need more people raising their own kids and actually living in the homes we overbuilt from 1994-2008. We do need healthcare for people who don't happen to work for a corporation that pays no taxes.
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corporate/social welfare and the foreign aid is one half of the equation.

The other half is the the monetary system.

If the currency wasn't destroyed to the extent it has been, we would still have one person providing all for the family.
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You make a good point in that.. the industrial revolution is long gone. As more and more jobs are replaced by process automation.. less workers are needed.. now what?

Computers replace accountants, robotic assembly replaces line workers.. there is simply less need for laborers. And yet we fail to grasp the systemic nature of a changing economy and blame the individuals themselves.
 Quoting: DOT 2 DOT


The answer to "now what?" will decide the fate of humanity. In movie announcer voice "This time ... it is for real"

We must have out of the home 40+ hour a week jobs for people ... right? No problem, take that worker from the assembly line, and give him a gun, federal paycheck and a badge. Are american football players hitting harder than ever on the field? Give somebody a job making better pads.

Are people committing financial fraud with High Frequency trading? no problem ... hire some disadvantaged inner city kid to work at the SEC. Do we have a 40% H.S. drop out rate, and a 30% illiteracy rate at graduation? No problem, hire a teacher and their spouse as a contractor to build a new school.

The glue that keeps all of this together is that theoretically we have maximized tax revenue in this model. Economists would tell you that full spectrum taxation is the only way you can prevent hyper-inflation in a fiat fractional reserve economy.
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A lot of you people here on GLP seem to think people on welfare(the vets, the disabled, the old, people who make under 20k) are the problem. But there is no outrage or anger for the companies who make billions yet find ways to stick their hands in the pot. When you come one here and make threads about people who receive "handouts" when most of them actually need all the help they can get but fail to mention companies who exploit gov assistants you look like a bunch of selective problem solving hypocrite. How can you sit behind your screen and bash these people yet turn the other way at the real problem. Its like the cop who would rather chase down someone peeing in an ally instead of the guy mugging down the street.

We need to do better.
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What fucking person on here have you seen that wants to give bailouts but not welfare? I think you don't know what you're talking about.
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corporate/social welfare and the foreign aid is one half of the equation.

The other half is the the monetary system.

If the currency wasn't destroyed to the extent it has been, we would still have one person providing all for the family.
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I am a slow typer and/or you folks on GLP can read my mind. see the AC26480717 post above yours. hf
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Every time potpocket comes up, I always think of Jim Gaffigan's stand up on hotpockets. chuckle
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Funny stuff. Every time I see this over processed stuff I think about some office worker getting one of these out of a vending machine so they can work through lunch to solve some big important problem for some corporation who needs that 110% effort. And a government bailout.

Say what you will about old school poor people (hobos), they knew how to cook. lots of dishes have names like "hobo eggs". These are apparently also a staple of the Fandango Rangers.
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I think some people don't understand or appreciate just how layered and intricate the market is.

Next time you buy a can of coke, think about the many lines of production involved before it gets to the store.

So many materials and ingredients sourced from everywhere.

The reason why we have an economy is because we want things.

Scarcity and demand for goods and services is what drives an economy.
What the market aims to achieve is to eliminate scarcity in the most efficient and cheapest way.

Resources and capital is directed to produce goods and services that we want.

And you will not believe this but labour is also scarce.

But when gov interferes, the misallocation of capital and resources occur and the industries that need the capital, resources and labour suffer and the industry that is subsidized creates a massive bubble.

That's what happened in 06 with the housing crisis.

Gov interefered in the market and it created excessive debt as well as the execessive labour force that should of gone into the more productive areas of the economy.

You can't beat the market or assume what the market wants through gov otherwise we wouldn't be in this situation.

Jobs are created for a reason and not for the hell of it.

Jobs are created because there is a demand and that demand creates productivity.
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TARP trillions, or $80 a month in food stamps... you decide.
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You'd better multiply that $80 per month MANY times over. FACT is, the average "welfare" recipient in the U.S. receives over $61,000 per year in benefits.

Besides, corporations DO create jobs. They may just hire me or a loved one. No welfare recipient will do that.
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Damn I need a assistant!!
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Perhaps corporation do create jobs, but the banks gambled our money away in the derivatives market. Give W. credit for this, he could either bail out the banks(socialism/welfare for corporations) or risk global economic collapse.

Have they paid that money back? No, not all of it. Will they pay it all back? Who knows, but we do know Goldman Sachs immediately paid out huge bonuses after the bailout. Irresponsibility with money on that grand a scale is wrong, wrong, wrong, especially when people in America are starving.

That's one example of why I'd rather help the needy than give money to the banking industry as it stands today.
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Give W. credit for this, he could either bail out the banks(socialism/welfare for corporations) or risk global economic collapse.
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W. was a stooge. He and Hank "tanks in the streets paulson" can't tie their own shoes. The bailouts were built into the plan put in place 20 years ago by Rubin, Gramm, Clinton, Gore and all the other D-Bags who rescinded Glass-Steagal.

They simply did not have enough "Action" in their wrinkled phalus lives, so they needed the retail banking (the stuff people use to buy food shelter and water) to lever up and provide lubrication.

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