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Anonymous Coward User ID: 17537156 Australia 11/08/2012 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Corporations provide jobs and drive the economy and should be encouraged to prosper in any way possible by the government. Incentives to business usually involves letting them keep money that they have already earned themselves. On the other hand, providing a free ride to useless parasites who contribute nothing to society but crime and more parasites is stupid and counterproductive. Plus, it deprives those who receive it of any motive to maybe get busy and create a corporation of their own. None of this really matters anyway, we have reached the point where there are enough unproductive people in the country to vote themselves money and the US has begun its descent into the trash bin of history. Look at the history of the Roman empire. And learn to speak Chinese. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25059788 Regarding parasites voting themselves luxury. You must consider the technological advancement of the last 50 years. how many nick knack shops do we need when amazon will deliver? How many metal workers do we need when a CNC machine can do it better, safer, cheaper? The corporate vehicle is an adult shark that has been protected 'till adulthood. no personal liability, 2 day bankrupcy, million dollar tax refunds AFTER billions of profit. Once these spoiled brats are released, they consume everything in its ecosystem, including government. We don't need more people starting corporations. such as daycare facilities, services for education, homebuilders, etc. we need more people raising their own kids and actually living in the homes we overbuilt from 1994-2008. We do need healthcare for people who don't happen to work for a corporation that pays no taxes. You make a good point in that.. the industrial revolution is long gone. As more and more jobs are replaced by process automation.. less workers are needed.. now what? Computers replace accountants, robotic assembly replaces line workers.. there is simply less need for laborers. And yet we fail to grasp the systemic nature of a changing economy and blame the individuals themselves. Automatization means one day humans may not need to work as much as they do now and may be able to live better lives, but it also means human population needs to stop growing. You can't expect to have 8 children and have the government support you. Yet welfare foments such thinking. We're in a turbulent epoch of humanity where people would do best to stop breeding so we can take it to the next level. Specially on third world nations. The idea that we are being over populated and we need to stop is just creepy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27307504 United States 11/08/2012 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Democracy" only lasts until the corporations figure out that they can vote themselves money from the coffers. Then it becomes a fascist dictatorship. In the case of America, it was about 1 hour after the enactment of the Constitution that the seeds were sewn to destroy the republic. We have all been living in an imperial, fascist dictatorship for 200 years. We are Rome. The banking tricks used to control populations have been used for thousands of years... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27304318 Canada 11/08/2012 10:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Goes both ways no money given to anyone let people decide how they spend their money, government is the problem where I live we have 274,000 people on welfare,we also have the highest social assistance housing in all of North America our province is shit over the top in debt, we have invested heavily on corporations that are only too happy to take our money and leave just like the people taking advantage of welfare, I say cut off all funding to goverment expect for police, fire, emt |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27304459 United States 11/08/2012 10:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A lot of you people here on GLP seem to think people on welfare(the vets, the disabled, the old, people who make under 20k) are the problem. But there is no outrage or anger for the companies who make billions yet find ways to stick their hands in the pot. When you come one here and make threads about people who receive "handouts" when most of them actually need all the help they can get but fail to mention companies who exploit gov assistants you look like a bunch of selective problem solving hypocrite. How can you sit behind your screen and bash these people yet turn the other way at the real problem. Its like the cop who would rather chase down someone peeing in an ally instead of the guy mugging down the street. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4496880 We need to do better. Let me start "doing better" by dissecting your sentence in bold. Most people support helping wounded vets, including those with mental illness from service. Most people support helping truly disabled people to survive. Most people support Social Security since it's actually not welfare; you pay in, you get back -- now less than you paid in, but hopefully something you can survive on. People who make under 20k, well that includes a number of different categories, including the traditional people we do not want to help (think Welfare Queens). Why did you avoid talking about the real problem and roll it into the innocent sounding category "people who make under 20K"? Well, because you're trying to obscure the issue and make people forget about it. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 17549114 United States 11/08/2012 11:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Corporations aren't people? Most likely the reason why, but I'm with you on this one and see your point. Quoting: MuayThai Corporate welfare, especially in the security/defense complex is rampantly corrupt, but they have the lobbyists and ordinary people do not. That's the only difference. corporations are owned by people so it makes no real difference. Move along Mitt... your 15 minutes has overran your alloted time... buuuuh bye |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27304459 United States 11/08/2012 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To all the twits against welfare, I guarantee you that if you lose your job and your family is hungry, you WILL go on assistance if you can't find a job. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27305279 That is a FACT! Not if you're not a female who can claim kids. Being not-the-wrong-skin-color probably helps too, according to what I've heard. This is an important point. People who support these social programs should always think "if I needed it, could I get it?" They will often find that the answer is NO, but you're not supposed to think about that. |
Bluebird User ID: 730536 United States 11/08/2012 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think anyone should be bailed out PERIOD! Quoting: Melrox However, I have bigger a problem with demoncrats USING the handouts to manipulate the people. As in buying votes with our tax money! And if we object, we are the bad ones! What nonsense. One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
Manu-Koelbren User ID: 27210074 Spain 11/08/2012 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think anyone should be bailed out PERIOD! Quoting: Melrox However, I have bigger a problem with demoncrats USING the handouts to manipulate the people. Banned as usual. “It is far easier to be a weakling than to be a Real Man. Were the Earth less harsh or the circumstances of life less austere, man would destroy himself before the shrine of the languid goddess. Only Real Men can with safety destroy the tangled forests and wilderness of Earth and make from them gardens, but will those who inherit the gardens be Real Men? The law decrees that they must be, or the wilderness will reclaim its own.” |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27305279 United States 11/08/2012 11:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To all the twits against welfare, I guarantee you that if you lose your job and your family is hungry, you WILL go on assistance if you can't find a job. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27305279 That is a FACT! Not if you're not a female who can claim kids. Being not-the-wrong-skin-color probably helps too, according to what I've heard. This is an important point. People who support these social programs should always think "if I needed it, could I get it?" They will often find that the answer is NO, but you're not supposed to think about that. Go look at the stats. Ten seconds and you will realize you are dead wrong on that one. PLENTY of single, white dads with no kids on welfare. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27305279 United States 11/08/2012 11:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To all the twits against welfare, I guarantee you that if you lose your job and your family is hungry, you WILL go on assistance if you can't find a job. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27305279 That is a FACT! Not if you're not a female who can claim kids. Being not-the-wrong-skin-color probably helps too, according to what I've heard. This is an important point. People who support these social programs should always think "if I needed it, could I get it?" They will often find that the answer is NO, but you're not supposed to think about that. Go look at the stats. Ten seconds and you will realize you are dead wrong on that one. PLENTY of single, white dads with no kids on welfare. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27305279 United States 11/08/2012 11:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To all the twits against welfare, I guarantee you that if you lose your job and your family is hungry, you WILL go on assistance if you can't find a job. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27305279 That is a FACT! Not if you're not a female who can claim kids. Being not-the-wrong-skin-color probably helps too, according to what I've heard. This is an important point. People who support these social programs should always think "if I needed it, could I get it?" They will often find that the answer is NO, but you're not supposed to think about that. Go look at the stats. Ten seconds and you will realize you are dead wrong on that one. PLENTY of single, white dads with no kids on welfare. Meant to say men there, not dads. Sorry for double post. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20901334 United States 11/08/2012 11:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | YES!! FINALLY!! SOME GET IT!! The poor are not the problem, it is Corporate Welfare that is destroying this Nation! That and the Fractional reserve fiat banking system, but nearly everyone uses it, so, in effect, we are all to blame. FIAT money is the problem, but Gold standard is not the solution. Demand lawful money per 12-USC 411 and end fractional reserves that finance ALL OF IT! |
Manu-Koelbren User ID: 27210074 Spain 11/08/2012 11:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26480717 Regarding parasites voting themselves luxury. You must consider the technological advancement of the last 50 years. how many nick knack shops do we need when amazon will deliver? How many metal workers do we need when a CNC machine can do it better, safer, cheaper? The corporate vehicle is an adult shark that has been protected 'till adulthood. no personal liability, 2 day bankrupcy, million dollar tax refunds AFTER billions of profit. Once these spoiled brats are released, they consume everything in its ecosystem, including government. We don't need more people starting corporations. such as daycare facilities, services for education, homebuilders, etc. we need more people raising their own kids and actually living in the homes we overbuilt from 1994-2008. We do need healthcare for people who don't happen to work for a corporation that pays no taxes. You make a good point in that.. the industrial revolution is long gone. As more and more jobs are replaced by process automation.. less workers are needed.. now what? Computers replace accountants, robotic assembly replaces line workers.. there is simply less need for laborers. And yet we fail to grasp the systemic nature of a changing economy and blame the individuals themselves. Automatization means one day humans may not need to work as much as they do now and may be able to live better lives, but it also means human population needs to stop growing. You can't expect to have 8 children and have the government support you. Yet welfare foments such thinking. We're in a turbulent epoch of humanity where people would do best to stop breeding so we can take it to the next level. Specially on third world nations. The idea that we are being over populated and we need to stop is just creepy. We're overpopulated in the sense that there's more people than we can work to provide for. For instance, if we wanted to give a 1st world, middle class life to every person in this world, the 7 billion of them, we wouldn't have enough resources. And in the meantime the less developed, poorer and more ignorant peoples of this world keep breeding at high rates. We're not heading to any utopia following this path, we're heading for more conflict. Banned as usual. “It is far easier to be a weakling than to be a Real Man. Were the Earth less harsh or the circumstances of life less austere, man would destroy himself before the shrine of the languid goddess. Only Real Men can with safety destroy the tangled forests and wilderness of Earth and make from them gardens, but will those who inherit the gardens be Real Men? The law decrees that they must be, or the wilderness will reclaim its own.” |
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Hitokiri User ID: 4003096 United States 11/08/2012 11:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nobody has a problem with helping out the vets, disabled, or elderly. It's the lazy "I deserve it" fucks we don't care to help. Quoting: Hitokiri We? FU Yeah, people like you. Stop being a lazy fuck! "We learn from history that we learn nothing from history." - George Bernard Shaw |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27305279 United States 11/08/2012 11:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: DOT 2 DOT You make a good point in that.. the industrial revolution is long gone. As more and more jobs are replaced by process automation.. less workers are needed.. now what? Computers replace accountants, robotic assembly replaces line workers.. there is simply less need for laborers. And yet we fail to grasp the systemic nature of a changing economy and blame the individuals themselves. Automatization means one day humans may not need to work as much as they do now and may be able to live better lives, but it also means human population needs to stop growing. You can't expect to have 8 children and have the government support you. Yet welfare foments such thinking. We're in a turbulent epoch of humanity where people would do best to stop breeding so we can take it to the next level. Specially on third world nations. The idea that we are being over populated and we need to stop is just creepy. We're overpopulated in the sense that there's more people than we can work to provide for. For instance, if we wanted to give a 1st world, middle class life to every person in this world, the 7 billion of them, we wouldn't have enough resources. And in the meantime the less developed, poorer and more ignorant peoples of this world keep breeding at high rates. We're not heading to any utopia following this path, we're heading for more conflict. Man you have really done some mental gymnastics to come up with that one. Whew. Maybe you should kill yourself and set the example, Mr. Eugenicist. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27304459 United States 11/08/2012 11:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To all the twits against welfare, I guarantee you that if you lose your job and your family is hungry, you WILL go on assistance if you can't find a job. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27305279 That is a FACT! Not if you're not a female who can claim kids. Being not-the-wrong-skin-color probably helps too, according to what I've heard. This is an important point. People who support these social programs should always think "if I needed it, could I get it?" They will often find that the answer is NO, but you're not supposed to think about that. Go look at the stats. Ten seconds and you will realize you are dead wrong on that one. PLENTY of single, white dads with no kids on welfare. Dads with no kids? Hmmm ... What statistics am I supposed to look at where they talk about dads with no kids? What statistics anyway? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24395285 United States 11/08/2012 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Corporations aren't people? Most likely the reason why, but I'm with you on this one and see your point. Quoting: MuayThai Corporate welfare, especially in the security/defense complex is rampantly corrupt, but they have the lobbyists and ordinary people do not. That's the only difference. corporations are owned by people so it makes no real difference. Perhaps you are not familiar with the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution. The opportunity to vote twice, once with the shared right to vote, then the second, with the right to buy a vote, makes a very real difference. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11835165 United States 11/08/2012 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A lot of you people here on GLP seem to think people on welfare(the vets, the disabled, the old, people who make under 20k) are the problem. But there is no outrage or anger for the companies who make billions yet find ways to stick their hands in the pot. When you come one here and make threads about people who receive "handouts" when most of them actually need all the help they can get but fail to mention companies who exploit gov assistants you look like a bunch of selective problem solving hypocrite. How can you sit behind your screen and bash these people yet turn the other way at the real problem. Its like the cop who would rather chase down someone peeing in an ally instead of the guy mugging down the street. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4496880 We need to do better. Congrats for your thoughtful post. You are right; the problem is that government has turned into something like a senile rich grandparent, that the relatives seek to loot. The money will belong to the relatives eventually, but they are falling over themselves now, trying to grab what they can before the relative dies. All the people and organizations that expect government to give them lots of stuff are more than misguided, they are dangerous to their own children and the rest of us. |
Hitokiri User ID: 4003096 United States 11/08/2012 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think anyone should be bailed out PERIOD! Quoting: Melrox However, I have bigger a problem with demoncrats USING the handouts to manipulate the people. As in buying votes with our tax money! And if we object, we are the bad ones! What nonsense. "We learn from history that we learn nothing from history." - George Bernard Shaw |
Bluebird User ID: 730536 United States 11/08/2012 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To all the twits against welfare, I guarantee you that if you lose your job and your family is hungry, you WILL go on assistance if you can't find a job. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27305279 That is a FACT! And still be on it years later??? Or even a second generation on it? What ever happened to people moving to find work as some of us and definitely our parents had to do? No one is talking about social security or veterans benefits which are things people paid into. It's the 100% free deal that is bankrupting the country. The only way I know to stop it is if we all sign up for everything we can get and I completely intend to do so. It's not right that some people be given free money taken from others. One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27304459 United States 11/08/2012 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To all the twits against welfare, I guarantee you that if you lose your job and your family is hungry, you WILL go on assistance if you can't find a job. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27305279 That is a FACT! Not if you're not a female who can claim kids. Being not-the-wrong-skin-color probably helps too, according to what I've heard. This is an important point. People who support these social programs should always think "if I needed it, could I get it?" They will often find that the answer is NO, but you're not supposed to think about that. Go look at the stats. Ten seconds and you will realize you are dead wrong on that one. PLENTY of single, white dads with no kids on welfare. Meant to say men there, not dads. Sorry for double post. OK first lemme return your BS flag: and tell you that even after realizing your post was literally impossible, your "limited hangout" position is still wrong. How can a single white man get on AFDC? Please explain. Give a link to your alleged statistics. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27305279 United States 11/08/2012 11:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To all the twits against welfare, I guarantee you that if you lose your job and your family is hungry, you WILL go on assistance if you can't find a job. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27305279 That is a FACT! Not if you're not a female who can claim kids. Being not-the-wrong-skin-color probably helps too, according to what I've heard. This is an important point. People who support these social programs should always think "if I needed it, could I get it?" They will often find that the answer is NO, but you're not supposed to think about that. Go look at the stats. Ten seconds and you will realize you are dead wrong on that one. PLENTY of single, white dads with no kids on welfare. Dads with no kids? Hmmm ... What statistics am I supposed to look at where they talk about dads with no kids? What statistics anyway? Yeah, I edited that post if you would have used patience and kept reading instead of knee jerk reacting like a jackass. Not my job to provide proof, if you're too stupid to use Google, I don't know how to help you. Maybe you're just lazy AND stupid? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22832998 Sweden 11/08/2012 11:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We are against all you thieves, we boycott these companies for example. We tell others to boycott them too, but then your pals come and say "no you're mean boycotting these fagloving wellfare bum companies, think about the working man he will be without a job"... I say starve them all. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1507912 United States 11/08/2012 11:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you believe the media, you will believe the lie that people are getting a lot of gov. goods. They might in the corporate world but not in the real world! There isn't enough job for the people who are out of work. The people I know doesn't get any gov. help, even though they need it real bad. If you tell a lie long enough and repeat it over and over people will believe it! One of my nephews quit a job with the electric company, which will go unnamed, because he could not stand the pain of turning the electricity off, at the homes of little old ladies or a man with small children, who was laid off and ran out of unemployment, with no job in sight. He could not stand it, when he had to cut the power off at two churches, he when to another job that he could do, paid less but didn't break his heart. At least he know how to work with his hands. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16213681 United States 11/08/2012 11:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think anyone should be bailed out PERIOD! Quoting: Melrox However, I have bigger a problem with demoncrats USING the handouts to manipulate the people. :THISS: Here's a concept. Thousands year old cultures HAVE WORKED IT OUT to create everything we have failed doing...then again, the u.s. is only 236 years old greenstick adolescentwith a tendency to blow things up and kill lots of people. Take a look at Norway, Iceland and about 98 other countries that have learned you need lifeblood flowing to the entire organism to continue on. Not 1%. Furthermore, there is a concept called mentoring the young instead of beating them down burdened by usury and no real education (Bishop McGill is still actually teaching SKILLS!). And once a skill is learned to enter professions there are jobs and $ for research for outstanding minds. Screw you. |