## Spirit Science - Physics Meets Metaphysics | |

Algorhythm (OP)User ID: 300884 Sweden 11/08/2012 05:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1. Math is the key!The first question a newcomer might have, is "why math?". Why indeed! What is it that says the Universe should adhere to mathematical laws in the first place? Isn't that a rather arbitrary and pretty arrogant assumption to make? This is a philosophical question, and it is perhaps best answered with some philosophical reasoning: Math is the study of logical rules, and the logical consequences thereof. If the Universe works in a logical fashion, math must thus be able to explain how. But if the Universe does not work in a logical fashion, math will obviously be impotent in revealing its secrets. So, which is it? Does the Universe follow logical rules or not? Let's assume it does both, that some aspects follow logical rules, and some aspects do not. The aspects that do not can not be fruitfully reasoned about logically no matter how you go about it, because they will be completely inscrutable to logic. If something ever happens outside of the realm of what logic demands, it can only be understood as "an act of God", since it will be unknowable through any other path than Divine Revelation (if you're lucky and God is in a talkative mood). Science is the study of the knowable, so that which is inherently unknowable falls outside of the scope of science by definition. The best a scientist can do with such things, is to utterly ignore them! They might still exist, but reasoning about them is impossible, and speculating about them is futile. To presume to tell what's on the mind of God, now that is arrogance! follow logical restrictions. These aspects are open to the intellectual pursuit called scientific study, and surely the discipline called math holds the key to them.Aspects of the Universe that don't follow logical laws are outside the realm of discussion by default. Which leaves us with the aspects that do It couldn't be any other way!And that statement is truly the core of what science is about: to find out how things are by understanding why they couldn't possibly be any different. The most fundamental law of all, is therefore logical consistency. This is for the reason given above - if we do not restrict ourselves to only exploring logically consistent things, all bets are off anyway!We might just as well give up trying to understand anything, let God do whatever He will, and go have a beer or something instead. Which is a very popular approach to these matters BTW! But we will take the less traveled road here, and accept that the concept of an almighty God is irrelevant in a scientific study of anything, even a study of how spirit works. Because if the world of spirit exists and is knowable, it is simply a yet unseen part of reality. If metaphysics exists, it is but physics not yet understood! To understand metaphysics is ultimately to turn it into physics, by finding out how it works logically. Using math. Universal Law 1: If something isn't logically possible, it doesn't exist.Universal Law 2: If something is logically possible, it exists.The second statement might sound a bit presumptious too at first glance. But assume this isn't so for a moment. Assume some things are logically possible, but will still never happen. Since they are not restricted from happening by the laws of logic, some other force must be holding them back arbitrarily. Such a force, that selectively "allows" some possibilities out of the whole spectrum of what logic allows, while blocking other logical possibilities from happening, for its own inscrutable reasons, must once again exist entirely outside the field of scientific study. By definition. In the end, all we can say rationally on the matter is this: If God toys with our Universe, science is futile. Understanding is futile, and all knowledge is an illusion. This may indeed be so (who could possibly tell!), but all experience so far tells us that, for the moment at least, God has the courtecy of keeping His almighty fingers out of the Universe, allowing things to take their natural cause, and allowing us to understand the world we live in with our rational minds.Until that changes, what follows will hold true! |

Algorhythm (OP)User ID: 300884 Sweden 11/08/2012 05:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2. It's all about NumbersNo, this is not going to be one of those rambling expositions on numerology that are so common on this forum. This isn't an essay about "mysterious" patterns among common integers, it is about exploring what a number truly is, and expanding that concept to the max, to arrive at an better understanding of reality. Definition:There is a set of objects that can be transformed into other objects in the same set, according to certain transformation rules. We call such objects "numbers", and their transformation rules "algebra". Please read the above definition again until you grasp it, it's the fundament we're going to build upon! And then realize our reality is itself composed of little "objects" that can be transformed into other objects in the same set, according to certain transformation rules. Perhaps you can already see why an exploration of math and numbers might eventually turn out useful in understanding reality? Humans first learned the numbers 1, 2, 3, ... and how to add and multiply them. Both addition and multiplication are operations that take two numbers and return a single number, according to certain rules. Exactly as the definition states. The algebra discovered so far was most useful in counting sheep and other possessions. But there was also a need to count backwards, as when you sold some of your sheep to someone else, and for this reason subtraction was invented (subtraction is simply "addition backwards"). And without even realizing it, people had already broken their algebra! The thing about subtraction is, it doesn't always work! Subtraction takes two objects (numbers) but only returns one object in the same set some of the time! Sometimes it doesn't, which means the whole system is broken! Most people weren't too concerned about this gaping hole in their algebra, because you can't sell seven sheep if you only own five sheep anyway, so what use could there possibly be for having an algebra that allows such folly? But there's always some nerd out there who just can't leave good enough alone. And so the algebraic problem was solved by extending the set of numbers with new numbers representing what you get when the old algebra would just throw up its hands in the air and give up. These new numbers were called negative numbers (and zero). And lo and behold, these new "fictional" numbers turned out to be useful after all! If I trade you an ox for seven sheep, and you only have five sheep, you can give me your five and two negative sheep, which are sheep that don't exist yet, but which you promise to procure for me later! Negative numbers are useful to keep track of things you owe, which is the opposite of possession (what a wondrous concept!), so their invention actually made the invention of debt possible!The world is still reeling from the consequences... But we're not concerned with the vagaries of economics here. Rather, I'd wish to turn your attention to the fact an algebraic system can be "broken", and when you plug the hole, you get an expanded and more useful algebra. Find a way to break and repair it again, and you end up with an even more powerful algebra! So to unravel the secrets of the Universe, we'll have to come up with creative ways to break our algebra until it just won't break no more! The next way to break the algebra people came up with, was to think "hey, if you can add backwards, why can't you multiply backwards?". The attempt to do so was called division, and it turned the previously so neat algebra into a complete mess, with weird holes popping up everywhere. Some pairs of numbers gave a number when divided, some just didn't. And there was no simple pattern to it either. To fix this unholy mess, new numbers were invented, namely numbers that represented all the holes you might get when dividing the numbers in the old algebra. These were found to represent ratios so they were called rational numbers. And they were useful too! I could now sell you a third of my cake, what a breakthrough! I realize people must already have done that kind of transactions before, but now they had a way to calculate the worth of fractional items accurately, so rational numbers were very useful indeed. Nowadays we mostly use them in decimal form, and also use a few irrational numbers, but I'm going to skip that particular algebraic expansion here, because it's extremely complicated, and actually less interesting than you'd think. The reason is, both rational and irrational numbers can be ordered along a line - they are both basically 1-dimensional creatures. We're going to explore how to expand algebra to multiple dimensions instead!There is one last thing to note before we move on. We now have an algebra where the objects are rational numbers, covering the whole number line to infinity in both directions. You can add, subtract, multiply, and divide these numbers, and you always get a rational number in return, with one exception: you can't divide by zero!This nasty hole means the algebra is still fundamentally broken! It is incomplete, ill defined, and thus cannot possibly be the kind of algebra this world runs on, because reality doesn't crash and throw error messages, now does it? But for now I'll just leave the gaping hole in place. It can and will be plugged, but there are other things we should cover first. |

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Anonymous Coward (OP)User ID: 300884 Sweden 11/08/2012 05:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the universe follows logical rules,until you start praying-simple Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20014329 Perhaps that is so. This thread is about what we can learn from studying the logical rules though. It will take me some time to get to the gist unfortunately. I may not be back with the next chapter until tomorrow. It takes a long time to say anything in Old Entish, and Ents never say anything, unless it's worth taking a long time to say. |

Anonymous Coward User ID: 27298144 United Kingdom 11/08/2012 06:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If anyone wants to cut to the chase and examine the profound relationship between number and sacred geometry - the interface between science and religion - go to: [link to smphillips.8m.com] and spend months studying at your leisure the revolutionary, original research presented there that links particle physics, music theory, mystical teachings of religions, the paranormal, and certain sacred geometries (NOT the rubbish that goes by that name found on the internet). Whatever the OP has to offer (and we look forward to seeing it), it would be useful to get a SOUND background in the mathematics of esoteric teachings whilst examining whatever information is presented here. The problem is with so many seekers of truth is that they have fed themselves with crazy internet crap and speculations based upon faulty understanding of fundamental ideas - so much so that they are now incapable in their brainwashed state of evaluating new research objectively and discarding whatever junk they have believed before. The website I linked to will help some of you to transcend your brainwashing. Provided, of course, that you can understand it..... |

Algorhythm (OP)User ID: 300884 Sweden 11/08/2012 03:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If anyone wants to cut to the chase and examine the profound relationship between number and sacred geometry - the interface between science and religion - go to: Quoting: [link to smphillips.8m.com] and spend months studying at your leisure the revolutionary, original research presented there that links particle physics, music theory, mystical teachings of religions, the paranormal, and certain sacred geometries (NOT the rubbish that goes by that name found on the internet). Whatever the OP has to offer (and we look forward to seeing it), it would be useful to get a SOUND background in the mathematics of esoteric teachings whilst examining whatever information is presented here. The problem is with so many seekers of truth is that they have fed themselves with crazy internet crap and speculations based upon faulty understanding of fundamental ideas - so much so that they are now incapable in their brainwashed state of evaluating new research objectively and discarding whatever junk they have believed before. The website I linked to will help some of you to transcend your brainwashing. Provided, of course, that you can understand it..... Anonymous Coward 27298144 The site you link does the classic error of mistaking spurious coincidental similarity for proof. The world is full of numerological coincidences, and if you go looking for them you're bound to come up with a whole bunch in no time. For instance, an ordinary dice has 21 dots (1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6) and 21 is a Fibonachi number! Does this mean the dice was designed to "encode" the secret of Fibonachi numbers? Of course not! It's just a meaningless coincidence, completely spurious, and it took me longer to type down this simple example than to come up with it! But it doesn't stop there. The dice is a cube, so it also has 8 corners and 12 edges. And it's one of the 5 Pythagorean solids, so I guess I could use the numbers from the other 4 as well, since they are clearly implied by the cube. And the dice has rounded corners, so it also implies a sphere, so it clearly points to Pi and various ratios related to pythagorean solids with inscribed and circumscribed spheres! It never ends! If I spent ten years exploring all the secret information encoded in the common dice by exploring all possible permutations and algebraic combinations of all the numbers I can pull out of it, I'd eventually be able to "prove" all the secrets of the Universe! It would be an impressive effort to be sure, but that doesn't change the fact it would all still be COMPLETE AND UTTER BULLSHIT! The site you linked bombards the reader with tons of similar silliness until he surrenders his intellect and praises the kabbalah as the source of all wisdom. The site has a clear agenda, and that agenda is to glorify the kabbalah by pushing spurious numerical coincidences as proof it holds the key to everything.In reality, it's all just as useless as the "Bible Codes", which seem just as impressive, until you realize you can pull similar codes out of any sufficiently long text. If you want to get any real value out of the Bible, you'll have to actually READ THE FRIGGING TEXT!, not make numerological analyses of the length of chapters and whatever. The same goes for the kabbalah... Anyway, I do apologize for being so long-winded. It was my intention to lay out my presentation in a logical fashion, explaining everything from scratch, so that everyone could follow along without needing any previous knowledge. The long-windedness is the unfortunate result. It would probably have been better to "cut to the chase" as you say. I now realize this thread is far too wordy for a site such as this, especially when speaking of something a bit too esoteric for the majority. It's just not the ideal forum for the purpose... I only made the thread because I wanted to share some interesting original research of mine, but I haven't even gotten close to beginning with that. If I keep writing at this pace, it'll become a whole book!It's probably for the best if I just terminate the thread before I embarrass myself any further by trying to explain that which is too complex to be discussed on twitter in a fast-moving web forum. It's not like anyone aches to read what I have to say anyway. Perhaps one day I'll put it all on a web site instead, with neat diagrams and pretty pictures. Then perhaps I can post a link on GLP. That might actually work! Sorry for misleading all my imaginary readers who are following this thread with bated breath, but I hereby officially abandon my misguided educational project. |

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