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Message Subject The Holocaust is the greatest conspiracy of the 20th Century......Nazi Death Marches.
Poster Handle A_Historian
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On the other hand, how do we know the German's were telling the truth?
Because here Thread: Auschwitz revisted and how Roosevelt almost lost the war in the first week. I explain about the rubber shortage created by FDR and the need for aerial surveillance of the camps at Auschwitz. Clearly surveillance would have detected any attempts to mass murder inmates.
 Quoting: A_Historian


It's funny you refer to your own link re the aerial surveillance. Let's see some quotes from you on that subject.


1)
There are literally tens of thousands of aerial photographs of the Auschwitz Camps in US and British Archives. Globalsecurity .org has about 50 or so at this location.
[link to www.globalsecurity.org]

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From Dino Brugioni, CIA Photo Analyst and author.

By modern standards, the photo interpretation equipment used in World War II can only be classified as primitive. Photo interpreters used stereoscopes with lenses capable of magnification four times the original imagery (about like that of a magnifying glass). In addition, tube magnifiers with a seven-time magnification capability were also used in scanning the aerial photos. Photo interpreters performed the interpretation from contact paper prints rather than film duplicates. We know today that the negatives from which some of the Auschwitz contract prints were made in World War II could have been enlarged up to 35 times.

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b]For some time it was a common misconception that no British Prisoners Of War were imprisoned in Auschwitz. It was largely understood that the vast majority of prisoners at Auschwitz-Birkenau were innocent Jews with the remainder consisting of political prisoners, gypsies etc. While this is largely true, Arthur Dodd was in fact one of a number of British soldiers actually incarcerated there.

So the bottom line is this.

Auschwitz has been photographed thousands of times from at least late 1941 to the end of the war and probably beyond because the US needed the intelligence associated with the Buna process, and Britain (in my opinion) due to the POW situation.
The camps were practically side by side and located in a populated area. Photo analysts had the capability to enlarge images 35 times and were able to visualize the finest details in a photo.
Not one image has ever shown the alleged atrocities that were supposed to have been a daily occurrence.
No mass burning pits, no pillars of fire from chimneys, no prisoner’s being led to gas chambers, and no mass graves.

If a picture tells a thousand words, how many words do thousands of pictures tell?


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Now, the whole text under number 2 is directly copied from the same website you mention under point one, just a different page:
[link to www.globalsecurity.org]

See point 5. Photo Interpretation Equipment

Now it's funny how you manage just to copy that little part from the statements of Dino Brugioni, CIA Photo Analyst and author. But how about all the rest of Dino Brugioni's words?
I urge everybody here to carefully read the page on the linked website above, that a Historian uses as proof against the claim Auschwitz was used as a mass murder site.

A Historian very conveniently forgets to mention:


In retrospect, it is a fact that by the time the Soviet Army reached Auschwitz on January 27, 1945, the Allies had photographed the Auschwitz-Birkenau Extermination Complex at least 30 times.


30 times according to the CIA millitary intelligence expert. Where are the rest of the litteraly tens of thousends of aerial pictures?


During World War II, photo interpreters operated under an elaborate tasking and priority system to produce intelligence from aerial photography. Searching for or doing detailed analysis on concentration camps was not a specific task. Photographs were searched to find any indication of enemy build-up or military movements.

Photo interpreters were also tasked to perform detailed analysis on a variety of significant tactical and strategic targets. Concentration and extermination camps were not considered significant targets. A target folder was created for each significant target and was described at the time as being the interpreters' most important aid. The target folder contained the target. The target chart for the Auschwitz area was centered on the I.G. Farben Bunald Synthetic Fuel and Rubber Plant and did not include either the Auschwitz I or Birkenau camps. The specific detailed interpretation tasking was to report on the progress of the construction of the plant. Later, an added requirement was to report on the extent and effect of Allied bombing. A review of all the photo interpretation reports created on the Farben plant reveals the interpreters' principal concern was the bomb damage and production stoppages at the synthetic fuel plant. There is not a single reference to either the Auschwitz or Birkenau camps, which were covered on the same photographic runs. The Monowice camp, next to the Farben Plant, was correctly identified as a concentration camp.


As this proves, the photo interpreters were ordered to look for troops, for millitary targets, and the damage done to them. Not to study POW camps or concentration camps.



2.. Priority Projects.
The principal units performing interpretation of the photographs taken over Germany and German-occupied territories were the Allied Central Interpretation Unit at the Royal Air Force Station Medmenham in England and the Mediterranean Allied Photo Reconnaissance Wing in Italy. These organizations worked on a 24-hour-a-day basis and in 1943 and 1944 were heavily involved in the planning of the Normandy and Southern France landings. Support to the Normandy landings alone required an estimated half-million photo interpretation man-hours. The stepped-up Allied bombing offensive of German strategic industries in 1944, which included synthetic fuel plants, also involved extensive photographic analysis and assessments. Other high priority projects included the searching for and destruction of V-1 and V-2 rocket sites, jet aircraft plants, and submarine production facilities. Photo interpreters were also employed in the planning and execution of special bombing missions against critical targets. The volume of materials being received for photo interpretation must also be considered. The daily intake for the Allied Central Interpretation Unit averaged 25,000 negatives and 60,000 prints. By V-E Day, over five million prints were in storage. More than 40,000 reports had been prepared from these prints.


This proves the Allies simply didn't have the time, nor enough interpretors, to study anything else then millitary targets. The sheer number of photo's needing to be analysed was just too much.


that during World War II information from human sources and communication intelligence was not available to most interpreters. Photo interpreters, for the most part, worked in a vacuum while interpreting and reported only what they saw on the photography. My research also confirms that the information about Auschwitz provided by two escapees, Rudolf Vrba and Alfred Wetzler, was never made available to those interpreting the I.G. Farben Plant photos. It is my professional opinion that had such information been provided to the photo interpreters, they would have quickly located the gas chambers and crematoriums.

Now A Historian, would you like to explain why you just copied that litte bit of info of the page that was usefull for your statement, but not mention all the rest that discredits your theory?

For a so called historian, that is pretty poor practise imo.
 Quoting: Dutch Rebel 1568275




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Take a breath big guy.
Where you are rushing to judgement is assuming that Brugione had access to all the available images.
Then, you take his number of 30 and assume that it means 30 photos or images. I have Brugione's book and if you did as well you would know that every participant in the war had very large departments of experts dedicated to interpreting photos and also forging them to throw off the enemy. Brugione speaks of them extensively and even gives examples of forgeries.

that being said I'll offer this for your consideration...

I assume you have heard of Yad Vashem?

[link to www1.yadvashem.org]

Here is an excerpt from the text of the article at the link...read it and see if you wish to change your position.

Emphasis mine


Aerial photographs of Auschwitz taken by the Allied Air Forces during World War II were first exposed in 1978 by Dino Brugioni and Robert Poirer, two aerial photo- analysts who worked for the CIA.

Using historical research material, they re-analyzed aerial photographs housed in the Defense Intelligence Agency Archives in Washington. Yad Vashem was able to acquire copies of some of these photographs in 1980 with Elie Wiesel’s help, and when former US president Carter visited Israel in that same year, he brought copies of the original film reels.

The Allied Air Forces came to the Auschwitz area because of the important war industry located in this region of Upper Silesia (Polish territory which was annexed to the Third Reich in 1939). In early 1944, there were intelligence reports of a giant fuel and artificial rubber factory in Monowitz. On April 4th, 1944, a Mosquito plane from 60 Photo Recon Squadron of the South African Air Force flew out of Foggia base in Southern Italy to photograph the factory. It was the IG Farben factory at Monowitz, only 4km from Birkenau. In order to ensure complete coverage of the target, it was common practice to start the camera rolling ahead of time, and stop it slightly over time. As a result, the Auschwitz camp was photographed for the first time. During that same period, the Allies had commenced planning a comprehensive attack on the German fuel industry, and the Monowitz factory was high up on the list of targets.

Rea the rest of the article at the link: [link to www1.yadvashem.org]
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Do you still want to hold on to that 30 image fantasy?
If you want to learn a little about the camera's used for these aerial recon missions do a search for the "Fairchild K-20" aerial camera. That was the most often used camera at the time (hint: it used a 200' long roll of film.)

Here is something for your consideration..

Let's assume for a moment that you are right about there being 30 images of the Auschwitz and Birkenau camps. In fact, the images on the Global Security Website would serve well for this experiment.

Take a few minutes and look at the images there.

Do you see anything missing?

I will give you a hint... Remember the tales of the chimneys constantly belching thick smoke and flame like in this image [link to s1302.beta.photobucket.com] from David Olère in his book
The Eyes of a Witness, Beate Klarsfeld Foundation, New York 1989, p. 51
 
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