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Oh Mr Darwin..... why didn't all animals go extinct during the millions years it took evolution to NON-intelligently design umbilical cords?

 
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Re: Oh Mr Darwin..... why didn't all animals go extinct during the millions years it took evolution to NON-intelligently design umbilical cords?
The remnant yolk sacs of eggs evolved into the umbilical cord. It was much safer to have your fetus growing inside you than to have to lay eggs which proved as an evolutionary advantage for mammals and marsupials.

So basically, the eggs starting growing inside animals, which was advantageous. What was the yolk and other parts that are present in eggs, are still present in human embryos as well. Our early development is strikingly similar to reptiles' early development.
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Disregarding the fact that your explanation is purely 'just-so' speculation... Do you realize how many perfectly coordinated changes would have to occur in order to switch from an Ovoviviparous egg development and Viviparous placental gestation, while constantly conferring enough of a fitness advantage to become fixated in the population???


This supposed evolved fetus might be safer in the mother's womb, but how on earth do you reconcile a fitness advantage to the mother herself, now having to bare the burden of prolonged pregnancy??? Embryo safety is meaningless without survival advantage to the mother.

Where does her fitness advantage arise from bearing the extra weight and having to supply extra nutrition?

If these intermediate stages were so beneficial, how come there is not a trace of evidence for this body plan? Why no organisms using an intermediate gestation stage today?

Oh yea, let's not forget that we don't observe a single novel protein evolving today, much less the myriad of coordinated protein transportation systems evolved in embryonic development systems.
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It's certainly not speculation, but ok, this should help beat down those straw men you're setting up.

[link to www.askabiologist.org.uk]

[link to voices.yahoo.com]
 Quoting: AllGunsBlazing


How are my questions at all strawmen?

The only "answers" in your links are simply information about different types of embryonic stages. The best "intermediate" provided is the same system I already mentioned: Ovoviviparous, where the eggs hatch inside the mother.

Can you fathom how many more changes are needed to transition to Viviparous gestation? Placenta, umbilical cord, and just go down the list of novel structures listed in OP's video. And all have to confer fitness advantage to mom.

Since each stage between Ovoviviparous and Viviparous would have had to be beneficial, (not to mention this "miracle of evolution" is a homologous, occurring across multiple phyla!) there should be evidence of this gradation in the fossil record, but there is not. We see sudden leaps between a small handful of embryonic arrangements!

Did every "convergent evolution" of embryonic stages just happen to settle on the same systems in multiple phyla, even though each intermediate stage would have had to be beneficial?

I want to hear a logical, practical answer. Not some lame cop-out like "oh well some eggs hatch inside the mom so it makes sense!"

Really, the logic of evolution is one train-wreck after another.
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[link to www.askabiologist.org.uk]
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Re: Oh Mr Darwin..... why didn't all animals go extinct during the millions years it took evolution to NON-intelligently design umbilical cords?
The only reason you keep posting this shit op is youve never bothered qustion. For Gods sake man, God wont mind if you exercise your brain. See beyond the horizon youve been taught to reside within.
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this is really just beyond preposterous. Who in the world was not taught to reside within the horizon of "evolution"? Who was not taught that evolution is not to be questioned?
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The only reason you keep posting this shit op is youve never bothered qustion. For Gods sake man, God wont mind if you exercise your brain. See beyond the horizon youve been taught to reside within.
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this is really just beyond preposterous. Who in the world was not taught to reside within the horizon of "evolution"? Who was not taught that evolution is not to be questioned?
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Only those to whom it is granted?
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Re: Oh Mr Darwin..... why didn't all animals go extinct during the millions years it took evolution to NON-intelligently design umbilical cords?
The only reason you keep posting this shit op is youve never bothered qustion. For Gods sake man, God wont mind if you exercise your brain. See beyond the horizon youve been taught to reside within.
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this is really just beyond preposterous. Who in the world was not taught to reside within the horizon of "evolution"? Who was not taught that evolution is not to be questioned?
 Quoting: chauchat

Only those to whom it is granted?
" We know that every [person] that has been born from God does not practice sin, but the One born from God watches him, and the wicked one does not fasten his hold on him.  We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one.  But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting.  Little children, guard yourselves from idols." 1Jo5;19
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go back in your chimney!

Srsly I seem to see this^ more and more all the time. goodnews
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If you make fun of them, they will NEVER learn. I know, its hard...

*giggle giggle. I shouldnt be laughing...
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Disregarding the fact that your explanation is purely 'just-so' speculation... Do you realize how many perfectly coordinated changes would have to occur in order to switch from an Ovoviviparous egg development and Viviparous placental gestation, while constantly conferring enough of a fitness advantage to become fixated in the population???


This supposed evolved fetus might be safer in the mother's womb, but how on earth do you reconcile a fitness advantage to the mother herself, now having to bare the burden of prolonged pregnancy??? Embryo safety is meaningless without survival advantage to the mother.

Where does her fitness advantage arise from bearing the extra weight and having to supply extra nutrition?

If these intermediate stages were so beneficial, how come there is not a trace of evidence for this body plan? Why no organisms using an intermediate gestation stage today?

Oh yea, let's not forget that we don't observe a single novel protein evolving today, much less the myriad of coordinated protein transportation systems evolved in embryonic development systems.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


It's certainly not speculation, but ok, this should help beat down those straw men you're setting up.

[link to www.askabiologist.org.uk]

[link to voices.yahoo.com]
 Quoting: AllGunsBlazing


How are my questions at all strawmen?

The only "answers" in your links are simply information about different types of embryonic stages. The best "intermediate" provided is the same system I already mentioned: Ovoviviparous, where the eggs hatch inside the mother.

Can you fathom how many more changes are needed to transition to Viviparous gestation? Placenta, umbilical cord, and just go down the list of novel structures listed in OP's video. And all have to confer fitness advantage to mom.

Since each stage between Ovoviviparous and Viviparous would have had to be beneficial, (not to mention this "miracle of evolution" is a homologous, occurring across multiple phyla!) there should be evidence of this gradation in the fossil record, but there is not. We see sudden leaps between a small handful of embryonic arrangements!

Did every "convergent evolution" of embryonic stages just happen to settle on the same systems in multiple phyla, even though each intermediate stage would have had to be beneficial?

I want to hear a logical, practical answer. Not some lame cop-out like "oh well some eggs hatch inside the mom so it makes sense!"

Really, the logic of evolution is one train-wreck after another.
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[link to www.askabiologist.org.uk]
 Quoting: AllGunsBlazing


Ugh, have you had a browse through their 'Evolution' section? Half the responses are links to wikipedia. And the rest is the same just-so stories as usual.

Another funny thing I noticed is that one biologist was touting Punctuated Equilibrium as an explanation to something, while in a different thread, another biologist was declaring P.E. had been discarded as a theory for some time.

These biologists are just repeating the same stories they were told. They may be geniuses in the lab, but that doesn't exempt them from groupthink.
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It's certainly not speculation, but ok, this should help beat down those straw men you're setting up.

[link to www.askabiologist.org.uk]

[link to voices.yahoo.com]
 Quoting: AllGunsBlazing


How are my questions at all strawmen?

The only "answers" in your links are simply information about different types of embryonic stages. The best "intermediate" provided is the same system I already mentioned: Ovoviviparous, where the eggs hatch inside the mother.

Can you fathom how many more changes are needed to transition to Viviparous gestation? Placenta, umbilical cord, and just go down the list of novel structures listed in OP's video. And all have to confer fitness advantage to mom.

Since each stage between Ovoviviparous and Viviparous would have had to be beneficial, (not to mention this "miracle of evolution" is a homologous, occurring across multiple phyla!) there should be evidence of this gradation in the fossil record, but there is not. We see sudden leaps between a small handful of embryonic arrangements!

Did every "convergent evolution" of embryonic stages just happen to settle on the same systems in multiple phyla, even though each intermediate stage would have had to be beneficial?

I want to hear a logical, practical answer. Not some lame cop-out like "oh well some eggs hatch inside the mom so it makes sense!"

Really, the logic of evolution is one train-wreck after another.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23223519


[link to www.askabiologist.org.uk]
 Quoting: AllGunsBlazing


Ugh, have you had a browse through their 'Evolution' section? Half the responses are links to wikipedia. And the rest is the same just-so stories as usual.

Another funny thing I noticed is that one biologist was touting Punctuated Equilibrium as an explanation to something, while in a different thread, another biologist was declaring P.E. had been discarded as a theory for some time.

These biologists are just repeating the same stories they were told. They may be geniuses in the lab, but that doesn't exempt them from groupthink.
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Then again if they really were geniuses, they would automatically be exempt from group-cattle herding, no?
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Re: Oh Mr Darwin..... why didn't all animals go extinct during the millions years it took evolution to NON-intelligently design umbilical cords?
The OP is a special kind of "slow." And the only one's slower are those who follow him. wink

You see, he's had several intelligent people actually explain evolution and give thorough commentary, and then when they do...he ignores it (never replies) and says that "evolution cannot be explained."

I would hate to be so incredibly blind and wrong, yet so blazingly sure of myself that it becomes a joke to an entire community.

One of the OPs FINEST MOMENTS was when he did the "Chameleon" thread. He was picked apart in so many directions that he couldn't answer anything back. A chameleon's entire survival is based off of adaptability and EVOLUTION to environments.

It was absolutely HILARIOUS. It was funny to me how he HUNG HIMSELF by posting that as a PROOF against "Darwinism."

Now my question to the OP is this. Were you taught to read in a school? Did the school tell you it was a "sin" to only read the bible? Education is there for all sorts of purposes other than brainwashing. TRUTH CAN BE FOUND.

And the fact that the OP would believe that his "god" was so limited that it couldn't make organisms that adapt to their surroundings shows me how much he actually THINKS of his "god." -In my opinion, that would be a "god" that needs work on its "engineering" abilities. In fact, had "god" been so short-sighted to have actually done that...we'd all most certainly be dead by now.

Not too bright OP. And it amazes me that even after that EMBARRASSING DESTRUCTION of your logic that you experienced with the Chameleon thread, that you haven't yet hung this fantasy up. I've never seen a beating like that since Lewis and Tyson.
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If you make fun of them, they will NEVER learn. I know, its hard...

*giggle giggle. I shouldnt be laughing...
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Honestly, it's not an intellectual impairment it's a conscience failure so, it really doesn't matter what's presented.
" But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know [them], because they are examined spiritually. 15 However, the spiritual man examines indeed all things, but he himself is not examined by any man. 16 For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, that he may instruct him?” But we do have the mind of Christ.
And so, brothers, I was not able to speak to YOU as to spiritual men, but as to fleshly men, as to babes in Christ. 2 I fed YOU milk, not something to eat, for YOU were not yet strong enough. In fact, neither are YOU strong enough now, 3 for YOU are yet fleshly. For whereas there are jealousy and strife among YOU, are YOU not fleshly and are YOU not walking as men do? " 1cor2;14

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Re: Oh Mr Darwin..... why didn't all animals go extinct during the millions years it took evolution to NON-intelligently design umbilical cords?
You had your answer three months ago, but you refused to read it until someone condensed it into two paragraphs. Or possibly they could've put it in chapters and verses?

Thread: Strange how embryos survived a million years before the evolution created umbilical cords right Mr Darwin?

Try reading a book other than the Bible
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God, there's a lot of creationist posts. You're right they're stuck reading the fairy tales in the Bible. What idiots.
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Re: Oh Mr Darwin..... why didn't all animals go extinct during the millions years it took evolution to NON-intelligently design umbilical cords?
You had your answer three months ago, but you refused to read it until someone condensed it into two paragraphs. Or possibly they could've put it in chapters and verses?

Thread: Strange how embryos survived a million years before the evolution created umbilical cords right Mr Darwin?

Try reading a book other than the Bible
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God, there's a lot of creationist posts. You're right they're stuck reading the fairy tales in the Bible. What idiots.
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Really GENIUS, can you and you buddies figure out what this reveals, thousands of years before it was discovered through the electron microscope?
" I shall laud you because in a fear-inspiring way I am wonderfully made.
Your works are wonderful,
As my soul is very well aware.
15 My bones were not hidden from you
When I was made in secret,
When I was woven in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw even the embryo of me,
And in your book all its parts were down in writing,
As regards the days when they were formed
And there was not yet one among them" Ps139:16
Step up here boys, and put away your TinkerToys.
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Re: Oh Mr Darwin..... why didn't all animals go extinct during the millions years it took evolution to NON-intelligently design umbilical cords?
You had your answer three months ago, but you refused to read it until someone condensed it into two paragraphs. Or possibly they could've put it in chapters and verses?

Thread: Strange how embryos survived a million years before the evolution created umbilical cords right Mr Darwin?

Try reading a book other than the Bible
 Quoting: AllGunsBlazing


God, there's a lot of creationist posts. You're right they're stuck reading the fairy tales in the Bible. What idiots.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27981044

Really GENIUS, can you and you buddies figure out what this reveals, thousands of years before it was discovered through the electron microscope?
" I shall laud you because in a fear-inspiring way I am wonderfully made.
Your works are wonderful,
As my soul is very well aware.
15 My bones were not hidden from you
When I was made in secret,
When I was woven in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw even the embryo of me,
And in your book all its parts were down in writing,
As regards the days when they were formed
And there was not yet one among them" Ps139:16
Step up here boys, and put away your TinkerToys.
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That made NO SENSE whatsoever.

And I noticed you PURPOSEFULLY avoided the post that talked about the fact that your chameleon thread destroyed every argument you ever had regarding evolution. As stated about you...you only address points that are conjecture. But if someone presents facts and REAL information...you avoid it like the plague. Which is smart...because if you don't have the goods to answer, and I KNOW THAT YOU DON'T, its best to remain QUIET.
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Re: Oh Mr Darwin..... why didn't all animals go extinct during the millions years it took evolution to NON-intelligently design umbilical cords?
You had your answer three months ago, but you refused to read it until someone condensed it into two paragraphs. Or possibly they could've put it in chapters and verses?

Thread: Strange how embryos survived a million years before the evolution created umbilical cords right Mr Darwin?

Try reading a book other than the Bible
 Quoting: AllGunsBlazing


God, there's a lot of creationist posts. You're right they're stuck reading the fairy tales in the Bible. What idiots.
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Really GENIUS, can you and you buddies figure out what this reveals, thousands of years before it was discovered through the electron microscope?
" I shall laud you because in a fear-inspiring way I am wonderfully made.
Your works are wonderful,
As my soul is very well aware.
15 My bones were not hidden from you
When I was made in secret,
When I was woven in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw even the embryo of me,
And in your book all its parts were down in writing,
As regards the days when they were formed
And there was not yet one among them" Ps139:16
Step up here boys, and put away your TinkerToys.
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Here's a hint "And in your book all its parts were down in writing" No cell, plant or animal can be assembled without instructions from Jehovah's book.
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Re: Oh Mr Darwin..... why didn't all animals go extinct during the millions years it took evolution to NON-intelligently design umbilical cords?
You had your answer three months ago, but you refused to read it until someone condensed it into two paragraphs. Or possibly they could've put it in chapters and verses?

Thread: Strange how embryos survived a million years before the evolution created umbilical cords right Mr Darwin?

Try reading a book other than the Bible
 Quoting: AllGunsBlazing


God, there's a lot of creationist posts. You're right they're stuck reading the fairy tales in the Bible. What idiots.
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Tough question huh guys? No possible answer is there? The embryos would immediately soffocate.grouphug

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