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Message Subject Oh Mr Darwin..... why didn't all animals go extinct during the millions years it took evolution to NON-intelligently design umbilical cords?
Poster Handle chauchat
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"If you want to know who rules over you in society, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." Voltaire.
 Quoting: chauchat

Exactly, which are creationists or religion in general.

Science says prove me wrong and is open to change.
Religion says this is it, it can't change, and is blind to evidence.
 Quoting: AllGunsBlazing

Oh I disagree completely. If you are fair-minded at all, look on glp and see who is criticized the most. Many accuse believers in the creator of being fantasy-prone , and purely imagine that they themselves are 'terribly brave' to do so.

As for your second paragraph, if you substitute for the word "Science" ,"Any believer in the true God", and then for the word"Religion", kindly substitute "So called science".
Fixed it for ya.
 Quoting: chauchat

How many scientists are banging down church doors and telling pastors and priests they have to teach the Big Bang Theory or evolution?

How many Christians are banging down school doors and telling science teachers they have to teach creationism?

Edit: GLP is hardly a fair comparison to the real world.
 Quoting: AllGunsBlazing

Sadly, GLP is the world I know best, but from dimly remembered pre-glp life, it jibes with my experience of that world too.
Scientists banging down church doors? I don't go to a "church", but Bart Ehrman is a theology professor and not untypical of them at all, in that he has "conceded" the Bible is inconsistent, a hoax, every pejorative in the book, basically.
Dude, if I can find his errors in every example I've looked into? Trust me, that's not very impressive. <On his part, I mean.
Don't you usually have to have a "divinity degree" to be a minister? [Never mind that a special, separate clergy class is not scriptural at all.] From what I have experienced when I was part of Christendom, as distinct from Christianity, "scientists" don't have to bang down the doors, the so-called science is already within. I think the Pope declared evolution to be true, didn't he?
Let me just add that what I and others dispute is not natural selection , but Macro-evolution. And the earth can still be as many billions and billions of years old as Carl Sagan likes and still fit the Bible's account of creation. [Not sure his statements fit physics anymore, though]
And really, for me, it's about the evidence I have so far, disregarding "evidence" I now regard as not holding up to closer scrutiny. I suppose I could still believe in God if it was proved to me that at best, he just set things in motion, but that hasn't been demonstrated, for me anyway.
I'll post this and address the other part of your post after.
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