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Perhaps this is due to his background, but what's fascinating is his ability to remain objective and highly descriptive of this experience (there's 5 parts):

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Wooh i can even throw one in botje zandgat to join his whales.
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All 5 parts:


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He states overall he felt like he was a good person, and many there in hell are also good people. He tells you how to avoid this place.
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What I like about vids, is you can see non-verbal cues, which gives further evidence of the person's credibility / account. In part 4, he starts breaking down (you can see tears) as he recounts a part of the experience.
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I have gone through 3 of the 5 parts. This is worth listening to.
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"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are SPIRITUAL beings having a HUMAN experience." So why, if our being here is just about having a "human experience", is the price so high that if we do not believe in Jesus Christ before we die we are sent to hell?

Here is Truth...we are all bound for hell because of our part in the Angel Wars (the REAL "Original sin") and this stop on earth is God's mercy toward us, giving us this one last chance to believe on His Son and return "HOME" to heaven. Jesus Christ/YahuShua Ha Mashiach is the ONLY WAY BACK TO THE FATHER (John 14:6 Jesus says "I am The Way, The Truth and the Life. No man comes unto The Father but by me."

In order to be sent here, we rebelled in heaven and became part of the 1/3 of the angels that fell with satan which explains why hell was designed "for satan and his angels" according to Matthew 25:41. We have been allowed to drink from the cup of forgetfulness and sent here to find our way back. We rebelled in heaven when we COULD see God and His Son so the hurdle we must overcome here on earth is to find the faith to believe in Him when we CANNOT see Him. That is FAITH. This Age of Grace will soon end when the time of the Gentiles (the souls of those who fell) is fulfilled. Believe on Jesus Christ while He may be found. He is your only way BACK HOME!

I do not know why I am compelled to put this here but it must be for someone. Those with ears, let them hear.
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Here's something else interesting.

The marine states, the demon he encountered was 13 ft tall.

Another man, who was taken out of the body, also went to hell, and stated, the demon he encountered was also 13 ft.


Here's another account of a girl that was taken to heaven. Now what makes her testimony credible, and prove the experience wasn't merely imagined is this. In her account, while in heaven, she came across information about several deceased people, including two murdered kids, and she learned a lot of information, that was previously unknown to her. After returning to Earth, this information, was then researched and confirmed to be true down to the precise and specific details. This shows it was impossible to merely have imagined or made up the experience.

Also, the girl fell from a nine foot slide. While falling her body, stopped in midair and began floating down. Her grandfather, an engineer, witnessed this (he gives his testimony in the vid). During this fall, the girl stated, angels had caught her. The little girl, was revealed a lot, not only about heaven, but was also shown hell, confirming the Marine's account.



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He chooses a line of work in which one of the main objectives is to kill people and ends up in hell in the afterlife.

Surprise, surprise.

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He chooses a line of work in which one of the main objectives is to kill people and ends up in hell in the afterlife.

Surprise, surprise.

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The LORD GOD commanded the we should not KILL for a very good reason!
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"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are SPIRITUAL beings having a HUMAN experience." So why, if our being here is just about having a "human experience", is the price so high that if we do not believe in Jesus Christ before we die we are sent to hell?

Here is Truth...we are all bound for hell because of our part in the Angel Wars (the REAL "Original sin") and this stop on earth is God's mercy toward us, giving us this one last chance to believe on His Son and return "HOME" to heaven. Jesus Christ/YahuShua Ha Mashiach is the ONLY WAY BACK TO THE FATHER (John 14:6 Jesus says "I am The Way, The Truth and the Life. No man comes unto The Father but by me."

In order to be sent here, we rebelled in heaven and became part of the 1/3 of the angels that fell with satan which explains why hell was designed "for satan and his angels" according to Matthew 25:41. We have been allowed to drink from the cup of forgetfulness and sent here to find our way back. We rebelled in heaven when we COULD see God and His Son so the hurdle we must overcome here on earth is to find the faith to believe in Him when we CANNOT see Him. That is FAITH. This Age of Grace will soon end when the time of the Gentiles (the souls of those who fell) is fulfilled. Believe on Jesus Christ while He may be found. He is your only way BACK HOME!

I do not know why I am compelled to put this here but it must be for someone. Those with ears, let them hear.
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Thanks...where'd you find this info? Means something to me.
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He chooses a line of work in which one of the main objectives is to kill people and ends up in hell in the afterlife.

Surprise, surprise.

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Let me also add, there's been several atheists, that also saw hell. Helping to affirm we need to accept Jesus.

Also, there's even been two pastors, that also seen hell. After the NDE both pastors, state one needs to not only accept Jesus to be saved and avoid hell, but also, you have to actually live a Christian life, that's in harmony with the Bible, versus claiming to be a Christian and then living a double-life.
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Multiple atheists, confirming the existence of hell, in their NDEs:

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The funny thing is, hell doesn't actually exist in the bible!

There is no fiery dungeon where goblins torture humans for eternity.

All the biblical scholars who can read Hebrew and Greek will know what I'm talking about it. The english versions may have hell, but the original Greek and Hebrew texts definitely do not.

Sometimes entire ideas and metaphors get completely lost in translation.
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He chooses a line of work in which one of the main objectives is to kill people and ends up in hell in the afterlife.

Surprise, surprise.

1rof1
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Let me also add, there's been several atheists, that also saw hell. Helping to affirm we need to accept Jesus.

Also, there's even been two pastors, that also seen hell. After the NDE both pastors, state one needs to not only accept Jesus to be saved and avoid hell, but also, you have to actually live a Christian life, that's in harmony with the Bible, versus claiming to be a Christian and then living a double-life.
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Excellent propoganda thread.... Please post the numerous NDE stories of non-christians who had no 'hell' experiences and were greeted by their deceased loved ones, as well as participated in their own life-reviews in which they were the judge of their own life experiences.

Not going to mention those in this thread are ya? Doesn't fit in with the dualistic heaven/hell misconception and the lie that you need to be a Christian to experience a pleasant afterlife.

Carry on.

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Just like dreams...
NDE's can also have negative and positive hallucinations. And yes these probably are hallucinations, because when one is about to die the body releases high levels of endorphins and possibly even DMT, which is produced by the brain in small amounts.

Sometimes we have wonderful dreams, other times we have nightmares. The only difference is I don't claim my nightmares to be proof of a supernatural dungeon where trolls & goblins will torture me for eternity!
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"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are SPIRITUAL beings having a HUMAN experience." So why, if our being here is just about having a "human experience", is the price so high that if we do not believe in Jesus Christ before we die we are sent to hell?

Here is Truth...we are all bound for hell because of our part in the Angel Wars (the REAL "Original sin") and this stop on earth is God's mercy toward us, giving us this one last chance to believe on His Son and return "HOME" to heaven. Jesus Christ/YahuShua Ha Mashiach is the ONLY WAY BACK TO THE FATHER (John 14:6 Jesus says "I am The Way, The Truth and the Life. No man comes unto The Father but by me."

In order to be sent here, we rebelled in heaven and became part of the 1/3 of the angels that fell with satan which explains why hell was designed "for satan and his angels" according to Matthew 25:41. We have been allowed to drink from the cup of forgetfulness and sent here to find our way back. We rebelled in heaven when we COULD see God and His Son so the hurdle we must overcome here on earth is to find the faith to believe in Him when we CANNOT see Him. That is FAITH. This Age of Grace will soon end when the time of the Gentiles (the souls of those who fell) is fulfilled. Believe on Jesus Christ while He may be found. He is your only way BACK HOME!

I do not know why I am compelled to put this here but it must be for someone. Those with ears, let them hear.
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bullshit, I dont want to be here, I dont want to rebel I simply want to know without any noise and contradictions WHAT THE FUKING RULES ARE AND WHO THE FLK IS IN CHARGE.
Throwing someone into a void with no instructions is no fking way to figure shit out.
Every outfit on the planet says that they are the 'ones' so who's to know? The almighty could consider returning some honestly and respectfully placed calls and speed up the process of coming home from this popstand
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He chooses a line of work in which one of the main objectives is to kill people and ends up in hell in the afterlife.

Surprise, surprise.

1rof1
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Let me also add, there's been several atheists, that also saw hell. Helping to affirm we need to accept Jesus.

Also, there's even been two pastors, that also seen hell. After the NDE both pastors, state one needs to not only accept Jesus to be saved and avoid hell, but also, you have to actually live a Christian life, that's in harmony with the Bible, versus claiming to be a Christian and then living a double-life.
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Excellent propoganda thread.... Please post the numerous NDE stories of non-christians who had no 'hell' experiences and were greeted by their deceased loved ones, as well as participated in their own life-reviews in which they were the judge of their life experiences.

Not going to mention those in this thread are ya? Doesn't fit in with the dualistic heaven/hell misconception and the lie that you need to be a Christian to experience a pleasant afterlife.

Carry on.
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Show me a non-Christian NDE, that went to heaven, and came across verdical information regarding their loved ones?

Because I don't know of any, if you do, prove me wrong.
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"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are SPIRITUAL beings having a HUMAN experience." So why, if our being here is just about having a "human experience", is the price so high that if we do not believe in Jesus Christ before we die we are sent to hell?

Here is Truth...we are all bound for hell because of our part in the Angel Wars (the REAL "Original sin") and this stop on earth is God's mercy toward us, giving us this one last chance to believe on His Son and return "HOME" to heaven. Jesus Christ/YahuShua Ha Mashiach is the ONLY WAY BACK TO THE FATHER (John 14:6 Jesus says "I am The Way, The Truth and the Life. No man comes unto The Father but by me."

In order to be sent here, we rebelled in heaven and became part of the 1/3 of the angels that fell with satan which explains why hell was designed "for satan and his angels" according to Matthew 25:41. We have been allowed to drink from the cup of forgetfulness and sent here to find our way back. We rebelled in heaven when we COULD see God and His Son so the hurdle we must overcome here on earth is to find the faith to believe in Him when we CANNOT see Him. That is FAITH. This Age of Grace will soon end when the time of the Gentiles (the souls of those who fell) is fulfilled. Believe on Jesus Christ while He may be found. He is your only way BACK HOME!

I do not know why I am compelled to put this here but it must be for someone. Those with ears, let them hear.
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Wow, that's a new one.
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Just like dreams...
NDE's can also have negative and positive hallucinations. And yes these probably are hallucinations, because when one is about to die the body releases high levels of endorphins and possibly even DMT, which is produced by the brain in small amounts.

Sometimes we have wonderful dreams, other times we have nightmares. The only difference is I don't claim my nightmares to be proof of a supernatural dungeon where trolls & goblins will torture me for eternity!
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If this is merely a hallucination, than how is it possible, that many are coming across information that was impossible to know about, but, was then proven to be true down to the exact details. This would've been impossible to merely imagine or hallucinate.
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"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are SPIRITUAL beings having a HUMAN experience." So why, if our being here is just about having a "human experience", is the price so high that if we do not believe in Jesus Christ before we die we are sent to hell?

Here is Truth...we are all bound for hell because of our part in the Angel Wars (the REAL "Original sin") and this stop on earth is God's mercy toward us, giving us this one last chance to believe on His Son and return "HOME" to heaven. Jesus Christ/YahuShua Ha Mashiach is the ONLY WAY BACK TO THE FATHER (John 14:6 Jesus says "I am The Way, The Truth and the Life. No man comes unto The Father but by me."

In order to be sent here, we rebelled in heaven and became part of the 1/3 of the angels that fell with satan which explains why hell was designed "for satan and his angels" according to Matthew 25:41. We have been allowed to drink from the cup of forgetfulness and sent here to find our way back. We rebelled in heaven when we COULD see God and His Son so the hurdle we must overcome here on earth is to find the faith to believe in Him when we CANNOT see Him. That is FAITH. This Age of Grace will soon end when the time of the Gentiles (the souls of those who fell) is fulfilled. Believe on Jesus Christ while He may be found. He is your only way BACK HOME!

I do not know why I am compelled to put this here but it must be for someone. Those with ears, let them hear.
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bullshit, I dont want to be here, I dont want to rebel I simply want to know without any noise and contradictions WHAT THE FUKING RULES ARE AND WHO THE FLK IS IN CHARGE.
Throwing someone into a void with no instructions is no fking way to figure shit out.
Every outfit on the planet says that they are the 'ones' so who's to know? The almighty could consider returning some honestly and respectfully placed calls and speed up the process of coming home from this popstand
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He chooses a line of work in which one of the main objectives is to kill people and ends up in hell in the afterlife.

Surprise, surprise.

1rof1
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Let me also add, there's been several atheists, that also saw hell. Helping to affirm we need to accept Jesus.

Also, there's even been two pastors, that also seen hell. After the NDE both pastors, state one needs to not only accept Jesus to be saved and avoid hell, but also, you have to actually live a Christian life, that's in harmony with the Bible, versus claiming to be a Christian and then living a double-life.
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Excellent propoganda thread.... Please post the numerous NDE stories of non-christians who had no 'hell' experiences and were greeted by their deceased loved ones, as well as participated in their own life-reviews in which they were the judge of their life experiences.

Not going to mention those in this thread are ya? Doesn't fit in with the dualistic heaven/hell misconception and the lie that you need to be a Christian to experience a pleasant afterlife.

Carry on.
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Show me a non-Christian NDE, that went to heaven, and came across verdical information regarding their loved ones?

Because I don't know of any, if you do, prove me wrong.
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There are NUMEROUS accounts of this featured in the Biography channel show I Survived : Beyond & Back. You can find those episodes on YouTube. Then you can look into the work of Dr. Moody, who is one of the most respected NDE researchers in this field. Then there is that little thing called reincarnation that you conveniently choose to ignore which is confirmed by investigations of children's past lives conducted by Doctor Jim Tucker of the University of Virginia and Doctor Ian Stevenson. Try reading the book Many Lives, Many Masters by Doctor Brian Weiss for more confirmation. Yes you will find instances of individuals receiving veridical information from these experiences!

There are many books on NDE's that you can read and also learn this information that does not support your myopic and dualistic view of the afterlife. You can even go listen to the interview with that Neurosurgeon who recently wrote his book about his NDE in which he states that he doesn't believe there is any 'hell' and he even explains what he feels some of these people are seeing/experiencing in their NDE recollections. He was just on Coast 2 Coast AM, you can youtube the interview.

Your problem is that you are so emotionally tied up in your belief system that the cognitive dissonance of all this conflicting information to your viewpoint is too much for you to bare, so you disregard it. Free your mind by opening it. More importantly, stop trying to scare people into thinking they need to adopt your dogmatic religious beliefs and let them walk their own path.

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Let me also add, there's been several atheists, that also saw hell. Helping to affirm we need to accept Jesus.

Also, there's even been two pastors, that also seen hell. After the NDE both pastors, state one needs to not only accept Jesus to be saved and avoid hell, but also, you have to actually live a Christian life, that's in harmony with the Bible, versus claiming to be a Christian and then living a double-life.
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Excellent propoganda thread.... Please post the numerous NDE stories of non-christians who had no 'hell' experiences and were greeted by their deceased loved ones, as well as participated in their own life-reviews in which they were the judge of their life experiences.

Not going to mention those in this thread are ya? Doesn't fit in with the dualistic heaven/hell misconception and the lie that you need to be a Christian to experience a pleasant afterlife.

Carry on.
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Show me a non-Christian NDE, that went to heaven, and came across verdical information regarding their loved ones?

Because I don't know of any, if you do, prove me wrong.
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There are NUMEROUS accounts of this featured in the Biography channel show I Survived : Beyond & Back. You can find those episodes on YouTube. Then you can look into the work of Dr. Moody, who is one of the most respected NDE researches in the field. Then there is that little thing called reincarnation that you conveniently choose to ignore which is confirmed by investigations of children's past lives conducted by Doctor Jim Tucker of the University of Virginia and Doctor Ian Stevenson. There are numerous books on NDE's that you can read and also learn this information that does not support your myopic and dualistic view of the afterlife. You can even go listen to the interview with that Neurosurgeon who recently wrote his book in which he states that he doesn't believe there is any 'hell' and he even explains what he feels some of these people are seeing/experiencing in their NDE recollections.

Your problem is that you are so emotionally tied up in your assumptions that the cognitive dissonance of all this conflicting information to yoru viewpoint is too much for you to bare, so you disregard it. Free your mind by opening it.
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"I'm a surgical nurse at a hospital in Phoenix, Arizona. We have lots of near-death cases there, and almost all of them are the negative kind. You know what I mean people who wind up in hell!"


I looked at several from those sources, you mention and don't remeber seeing a single NDE case, in which veridical info is found specifically regarding the deceased. Show me a few specific cases. I'm also very well aware of Moody's work.

I already touched upon reincarnation in another thread, in which you read, but evidently you don't have a good memory and have already forgotten. I guess you're also going to ignore this.

"I'm a surgical nurse at a hospital in Phoenix, Arizona. We have lots of near-death cases there, and almost all of them are the negative kind. You know what I mean people who wind up in hell!"

Source: P.M.H. Atwater - 92 Journal of Near-Death Studies Vol.10, No.3

“A heart specialist from Chattanooga, Tennessee, has just finished a study of more than 100 patients brought back to life after being clinically dead. The bad news is that over half of the patients had a perfectly appalling time, walking through dimly-lit caverns and seeing fiendish figures brandishing pitchforks beside a smoking, sulphurous lake surrounded by moaning bodies. The doctor now firmly believes hell exists. Reluctantly, he said, I have come to the conclusion it may not be safe to die."

Source: May | June 1979 issue of Parapsychology Review
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Just like dreams...
NDE's can also have negative and positive hallucinations. And yes these probably are hallucinations, because when one is about to die the body releases high levels of endorphins and possibly even DMT, which is produced by the brain in small amounts.

Sometimes we have wonderful dreams, other times we have nightmares. The only difference is I don't claim my nightmares to be proof of a supernatural dungeon where trolls & goblins will torture me for eternity!
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I agree, I have had dreams that were hell in every way, paralytic fear beyond fear with no escape, no hope just absolute dispair. I have been stabbed, hacked, blown up, shot, had my teeth and bones detached from my body by entities, I have seen nuclear war, I have seen the earth split into two. I have also had dreams of amazing awakenings, enlightenment, amazing beauty, and even weird just funky silly dreams in between.

I just cant fathom that non christians from around the world are condemned for their regional specific religious taste. It is about being righteous and just in your life. Accept the entity that represents (jesus, buddaha, mohammed, etc.) it and promote it in your daily actions. I guess we wont know until the DMT floods in and we are being cast into hell with all of the other great souls of earth. However I am just another mortal scratching his head while trying to make sense of the absolute retarded level of crazy I see every day unfolding.

Love life, love each other, love the universe in all its mystery, accept every saint and sinner alike into your heart sounds like the bases are covered.
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"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are SPIRITUAL beings having a HUMAN experience." So why, if our being here is just about having a "human experience", is the price so high that if we do not believe in Jesus Christ before we die we are sent to hell?

Here is Truth...we are all bound for hell because of our part in the Angel Wars (the REAL "Original sin") and this stop on earth is God's mercy toward us, giving us this one last chance to believe on His Son and return "HOME" to heaven. Jesus Christ/YahuShua Ha Mashiach is the ONLY WAY BACK TO THE FATHER (John 14:6 Jesus says "I am The Way, The Truth and the Life. No man comes unto The Father but by me."

In order to be sent here, we rebelled in heaven and became part of the 1/3 of the angels that fell with satan which explains why hell was designed "for satan and his angels" according to Matthew 25:41. We have been allowed to drink from the cup of forgetfulness and sent here to find our way back. We rebelled in heaven when we COULD see God and His Son so the hurdle we must overcome here on earth is to find the faith to believe in Him when we CANNOT see Him. That is FAITH. This Age of Grace will soon end when the time of the Gentiles (the souls of those who fell) is fulfilled. Believe on Jesus Christ while He may be found. He is your only way BACK HOME!

I do not know why I am compelled to put this here but it must be for someone. Those with ears, let them hear.
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Thanks...where'd you find this info? Means something to me.
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Excellent propoganda thread.... Please post the numerous NDE stories of non-christians who had no 'hell' experiences and were greeted by their deceased loved ones, as well as participated in their own life-reviews in which they were the judge of their life experiences.

Not going to mention those in this thread are ya? Doesn't fit in with the dualistic heaven/hell misconception and the lie that you need to be a Christian to experience a pleasant afterlife.

Carry on.
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Show me a non-Christian NDE, that went to heaven, and came across verdical information regarding their loved ones?

Because I don't know of any, if you do, prove me wrong.
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There are NUMEROUS accounts of this featured in the Biography channel show I Survived : Beyond & Back. You can find those episodes on YouTube. Then you can look into the work of Dr. Moody, who is one of the most respected NDE researches in the field. Then there is that little thing called reincarnation that you conveniently choose to ignore which is confirmed by investigations of children's past lives conducted by Doctor Jim Tucker of the University of Virginia and Doctor Ian Stevenson. There are numerous books on NDE's that you can read and also learn this information that does not support your myopic and dualistic view of the afterlife. You can even go listen to the interview with that Neurosurgeon who recently wrote his book in which he states that he doesn't believe there is any 'hell' and he even explains what he feels some of these people are seeing/experiencing in their NDE recollections.

Your problem is that you are so emotionally tied up in your assumptions that the cognitive dissonance of all this conflicting information to yoru viewpoint is too much for you to bare, so you disregard it. Free your mind by opening it.
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"I'm a surgical nurse at a hospital in Phoenix, Arizona. We have lots of near-death cases there, and almost all of them are the negative kind. You know what I mean people who wind up in hell!"


I looked at several from those sources, you mention and don't remeber seeing a single NDE case, in which veridical info is found specifically regarding the deceased. Show me a few specific cases. I'm also very well aware of Moody's work.

I already touched upon reincarnation in another thread, in which you read, but evidently you don't have a good memory and have already forgotten. I guess you're also going to ignore this.

"I'm a surgical nurse at a hospital in Phoenix, Arizona. We have lots of near-death cases there, and almost all of them are the negative kind. You know what I mean people who wind up in hell!"

Source: P.M.H. Atwater - 92 Journal of Near-Death Studies Vol.10, No.3

“A heart specialist from Chattanooga, Tennessee, has just finished a study of more than 100 patients brought back to life after being clinically dead. The bad news is that over half of the patients had a perfectly appalling time, walking through dimly-lit caverns and seeing fiendish figures brandishing pitchforks beside a smoking, sulphurous lake surrounded by moaning bodies. The doctor now firmly believes hell exists. Reluctantly, he said, I have come to the conclusion it may not be safe to die."

Source: May | June 1979 issue of Parapsychology Review
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If you are well aware of Dr Moody's work then you would know that it contradicts what you are trying to get others to believe in this thread.

Reincarnation also contradicts what you are preaching in this thread, and I gave you the name of 3 additional & respected Doctors/Researchers whose work in the field confirms this phenomenon through your coveted veridical information.

You don't want to share any NDE experiences by those who participated in their own life reviews in which they judged their own life experiences and there was no Jesus or God doing the judging - no 3rd party. Why?

Now tell me, why am I going to spend my time looking up the accounts of non-christian NDE experiences when we both know that you are going to disregard them, dismiss them, or find some other means to explain them away? I told you that you can find them featured in that Biography channel show. I gave you plenty of leads to follow up on to open your mind but are you going to pursue them? I would guess probably not.

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Let me also add, there's been several atheists, that also saw hell. Helping to affirm we need to accept Jesus.

Also, there's even been two pastors, that also seen hell. After the NDE both pastors, state one needs to not only accept Jesus to be saved and avoid hell, but also, you have to actually live a Christian life, that's in harmony with the Bible, versus claiming to be a Christian and then living a double-life.
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Excellent propoganda thread.... Please post the numerous NDE stories of non-christians who had no 'hell' experiences and were greeted by their deceased loved ones, as well as participated in their own life-reviews in which they were the judge of their life experiences.

Not going to mention those in this thread are ya? Doesn't fit in with the dualistic heaven/hell misconception and the lie that you need to be a Christian to experience a pleasant afterlife.

Carry on.
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Show me a non-Christian NDE, that went to heaven, and came across verdical information regarding their loved ones?

Because I don't know of any, if you do, prove me wrong.
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Then you can look into the work of Dr. Moody, who is one of the most respected NDE researchers in this field.
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Dr. Moody is a founding member of a non-Christian organization, the International Association of Near Death Studies. This organization in their recent book, shared the cases of an atheist and a Jewish woman. Both saw hell, and both saw Jesus.

You stated, the neuroscientiests, doesn't believe in hell, tell me then, regarding, the veridical info that's been revealed in these NDEs, for example regarding the deceased in a heavenly location, and then in the very same experience, hell was also confirmed to exist.

Does the neuroscientist, specifically go into the veridcial info regarding the deceased, if not, the neuroscientist can't explain this, or his research wasn't very thorough. Also I did listen to a recent account of neourosicentist, and nowhere does he specifically mention the NDE cases, where veridical info is revealed regarding the deceased.

And yes, I'm aware of Dr. Tucker's work. I have his book. And already touched upon this in another thread.
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Show me a non-Christian NDE, that went to heaven, and came across verdical information regarding their loved ones?

Because I don't know of any, if you do, prove me wrong.
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There are NUMEROUS accounts of this featured in the Biography channel show I Survived : Beyond & Back. You can find those episodes on YouTube. Then you can look into the work of Dr. Moody, who is one of the most respected NDE researches in the field. Then there is that little thing called reincarnation that you conveniently choose to ignore which is confirmed by investigations of children's past lives conducted by Doctor Jim Tucker of the University of Virginia and Doctor Ian Stevenson. There are numerous books on NDE's that you can read and also learn this information that does not support your myopic and dualistic view of the afterlife. You can even go listen to the interview with that Neurosurgeon who recently wrote his book in which he states that he doesn't believe there is any 'hell' and he even explains what he feels some of these people are seeing/experiencing in their NDE recollections.

Your problem is that you are so emotionally tied up in your assumptions that the cognitive dissonance of all this conflicting information to yoru viewpoint is too much for you to bare, so you disregard it. Free your mind by opening it.
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"I'm a surgical nurse at a hospital in Phoenix, Arizona. We have lots of near-death cases there, and almost all of them are the negative kind. You know what I mean people who wind up in hell!"


I looked at several from those sources, you mention and don't remeber seeing a single NDE case, in which veridical info is found specifically regarding the deceased. Show me a few specific cases. I'm also very well aware of Moody's work.

I already touched upon reincarnation in another thread, in which you read, but evidently you don't have a good memory and have already forgotten. I guess you're also going to ignore this.

"I'm a surgical nurse at a hospital in Phoenix, Arizona. We have lots of near-death cases there, and almost all of them are the negative kind. You know what I mean people who wind up in hell!"

Source: P.M.H. Atwater - 92 Journal of Near-Death Studies Vol.10, No.3

“A heart specialist from Chattanooga, Tennessee, has just finished a study of more than 100 patients brought back to life after being clinically dead. The bad news is that over half of the patients had a perfectly appalling time, walking through dimly-lit caverns and seeing fiendish figures brandishing pitchforks beside a smoking, sulphurous lake surrounded by moaning bodies. The doctor now firmly believes hell exists. Reluctantly, he said, I have come to the conclusion it may not be safe to die."

Source: May | June 1979 issue of Parapsychology Review
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If you are well aware of Dr Moody's work then you would know that it contradicts what you are trying to get others to believe in this thread.

Reincarnation also contradicts what you are preaching in this thread, and I gave you the name of 3 additional & respected Doctors/Researchers whose work in the field confirms this phenomenon through your coveted veridical information.

You don't want to share any NDE experiences by those who participated in their own life reviews in which they judged their own life experiences and there was no Jesus or God doing the judging - no 3rd party. Why?

Now tell me, why am I going to spend my time looking up the accounts of non-christian NDE experiences when we both know that you are going to disregard them and dismiss them? I told you that you can find them featured in that Biography channel show. I gave you plenty of leads to follow up on to open your mind but are you going to pursue them? I would guess probably not.
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That's what I thought, you can't provide any specific cases. Which shows your depth of study.
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Your depth of study is YouTube and Google Search friend... I told you where to find the information you requested and you are too lazy to look for it and too lazy to go read a book.

I'm sorry you are uninformed about this subject matter and spreading ignorance in an attempt to try and affirm your own religious dogma.

You can keep thinking that a person's religion dictates the fate of their spirit/soul, and the only person you'll be hindering in the process is yourself.

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Your depth of study is YouTube and Google Search friend...

I'm sorry you are uninformed about this subject matter and spreading ignorance in an attempt to try and affirm your own religious dogma.

You can keep thinking that one's religion dictates the fate of their spirit/soul, and the only person you'll be hindering in the process is yourself.
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Good way to ignore the fact, you can't come up with a single case. And the fact I actually read, a book, released by Dr. Moody's organization.
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Your depth of study is YouTube and Google Search friend...

I'm sorry you are uninformed about this subject matter and spreading ignorance in an attempt to try and affirm your own religious dogma.

You can keep thinking that one's religion dictates the fate of their spirit/soul, and the only person you'll be hindering in the process is yourself.
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Good way to ignore the fact, you can't come up with a single case. And the fact I actually read, a book, released by Dr. Moody's organization.
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Hey can you tell me why over some 50 books were banned from the Bible when they were already in the Bible didn't God inspire them too or the basis for whether something is inspired from God or not is whether the mainstream churches agree with it.

PS: Early Christians believed firmly in reincarnation and the doctrine of hell fire and brimstone was invented by the Church.

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