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Ex-marine's NDE hell testimony

 
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I said religion was a hell of a drug. It manipulates the mind and keeps individuals trapped in duality and fear-based consciousness.
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Yep, NDEs, specifically the ones where people come across veridical info about the deceased (where you can't provide a single case), is affirming the validity of one religion.
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There is no religion in the afterlife and the sooner you can figure this out the better. You didn't come here to blindly follow a religion or to pray for someone to be your savior or messiah. You came here to grown and learn (evolve) through having physical experiences and the longer you continue to believe you are some 'fallen angel' to got kicked out of heaven and punished the longer you will continue to hinder your own personal growth.

Tell me.... Where did the millions and millions of souls/spirits go that lived for thousands of years before the alleged time of Jesus? If you're going to tell me Abraham's 'bosom', don't even bother responding.
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It states this in the Bible. But, you selectively ignore this. Also you completely ignore, or are ignorant of the study of demonology, which further backs up my claim.
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What's the matter, you can't come up with your own answer from within? The bible has been edited/censored/manipulated/mistranslated countless times... I'm asking you to answer. Man has been incarnating on this Earth for thousands and thousands of years, where have all these souls/spirits gone? Where is Abraham's 'bosom' located? Please explain in detail. Thanks!

P.S. your 'demons' are low-energy/vibration entities and when your consciousness leaves your body you will no longer be inhibited by the limiting nature of the left-hemisphere of your brain (mind), so please cut it out with all the bullshit about people being 'deceived by demons' in their NDE experiences.... You seem to understand the bit about the increased awareness but still speak from the dulled down awareness of the left-brain influence of consciousness.

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and many there in hell are also good people.
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What a cunt of a god then.
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Well, here's one. I was born, baptized and raised Christian. I quit believing little by little from my 20's to late 30's/early 40's when I completely rejected Christ, God and an afterlife, but I still followed the "golden rule", just because I felt it's the decent thing to do. When I was 58 I had a heart attack and flat lined. I found I was in the most wonderful, joyous place that I can't even describe with words. When I learned I had to come back I didn't want to.
I know you won't believe this because of your faith. Doesn't bother me and I can only retort that it doesn't matter what you or I believe or don't believe...it's what the truth is that matters. I think that truth is to follow the Golden Rule. When our spirits leave our bodies, it's our own consciousness that we meet...that's why Christians see Jesus, why Jews see Abraham or Moses, Hindus whatever Deity they follow, self centered people experience hell, etc. etc. etc. And that Golden Rule? It's in all major religions, including Wicca.
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Thanks for speaking up friend.

goofy thum
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My pleasure, friend! I know I said it doesn't bother me if people don't believe me but I hate it when so called "religious" people try to take something and stamp their religion on it. If they only knew...I've truly experienced something wonderful and I'm not about relent to these ridiculous notions of a God that condemns people to eternal punishment simply because they don't believe he exists.
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Let me also add, there's been several atheists, that also saw hell. Helping to affirm we need to accept Jesus.

Also, there's even been two pastors, that also seen hell. After the NDE both pastors, state one needs to not only accept Jesus to be saved and avoid hell, but also, you have to actually live a Christian life, that's in harmony with the Bible, versus claiming to be a Christian and then living a double-life.
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[link to bibleprobe.com]
Excellent propoganda thread.... Please post the numerous NDE stories of non-christians who had no 'hell' experiences and were greeted by their deceased loved ones, as well as participated in their own life-reviews in which they were the judge of their life experiences.

Not going to mention those in this thread are ya? Doesn't fit in with the dualistic heaven/hell misconception and the lie that you need to be a Christian to experience a pleasant afterlife.

Carry on.
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Show me a non-Christian NDE, that went to heaven, and came across verdical information regarding their loved ones?

Because I don't know of any, if you do, prove me wrong.
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[link to neardeathsite.com]

Quite a few non Christian NDE's.


BBC: PAM SEES GOD. NDE Pam Reynolds. Amazing! Full version!


Near Death Experience: Light of God


Kimberly Clark Sharp's Near Death Experience
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I said NDEs, with veridical info about the deceased.
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The first guy describes a powerful reptilian being and the second guy flat out says they're reptilians.
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"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are SPIRITUAL beings having a HUMAN experience." So why, if our being here is just about having a "human experience", is the price so high that if we do not believe in Jesus Christ before we die we are sent to hell?

Here is Truth...we are all bound for hell because of our part in the Angel Wars (the REAL "Original sin") and this stop on earth is God's mercy toward us, giving us this one last chance to believe on His Son and return "HOME" to heaven. Jesus Christ/YahuShua Ha Mashiach is the ONLY WAY BACK TO THE FATHER (John 14:6 Jesus says "I am The Way, The Truth and the Life. No man comes unto The Father but by me."

In order to be sent here, we rebelled in heaven and became part of the 1/3 of the angels that fell with satan which explains why hell was designed "for satan and his angels" according to Matthew 25:41. We have been allowed to drink from the cup of forgetfulness and sent here to find our way back. We rebelled in heaven when we COULD see God and His Son so the hurdle we must overcome here on earth is to find the faith to believe in Him when we CANNOT see Him. That is FAITH. This Age of Grace will soon end when the time of the Gentiles (the souls of those who fell) is fulfilled. Believe on Jesus Christ while He may be found. He is your only way BACK HOME!

I do not know why I am compelled to put this here but it must be for someone. Those with ears, let them hear.
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This is along the lines of what I am talking about. I had no sense of anything biblical. I think the Old Testament story of fallen angels is a metaphorical, simplistic, Manichean way of describing what I mean.
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Yep, NDEs, specifically the ones where people come across veridical info about the deceased (where you can't provide a single case), is affirming the validity of one religion.
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There is no religion in the afterlife and the sooner you can figure this out the better. You didn't come here to blindly follow a religion or to pray for someone to be your savior or messiah. You came here to grown and learn (evolve) through having physical experiences and the longer you continue to believe you are some 'fallen angel' to got kicked out of heaven and punished the longer you will continue to hinder your own personal growth.

Tell me.... Where did the millions and millions of souls/spirits go that lived for thousands of years before the alleged time of Jesus? If you're going to tell me Abraham's 'bosom', don't even bother responding.
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It states this in the Bible. But, you selectively ignore this. Also you completely ignore, or are ignorant of the study of demonology, which further backs up my claim.
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What's the matter, you can't come up with your own answer from within? The bible has been edited/censored/manipulated/mistranslated countless times... I'm asking you to answer. Man has been incarnating on this Earth for thousands and thousands of years, where have all these souls/spirits gone? Where is Abraham's 'bosom' located? Please explain in detail. Thanks!

P.S. your 'demons' are low-energy/vibration entities and when your consciousness leaves your body you will no longer be inhibited by the limiting nature of the left-hemisphere of your brain (mind), so please cut it out with all the bullshit about people being 'deceived by demons' in their NDE experiences.... You seem to understand the bit about the increased awareness but still speak from the dulled down awareness of the left-brain influence of consciousness.
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I can back up my conclusions with evidence, while you often speculate, based off selective evidence.
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I don't think it's a case of having been "kicked out of heaven." What I perceived was having been forced to experience physical reality subjectively. No sense of why-and because of that, a sense of unfairness.
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The first guy describes a powerful reptilian being and the second guy flat out says they're reptilians.
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But, at the end of the video for the second guy, you would see these 'reptilians' also specifically feared Jesus.
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The first guy describes a powerful reptilian being and the second guy flat out says they're reptilians.
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But, at the end of the video for the second guy, you would see these 'reptilians' also specifically feared Jesus.
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Well, here's one. I was born, baptized and raised Christian. I quit believing little by little from my 20's to late 30's/early 40's when I completely rejected Christ, God and an afterlife, but I still followed the "golden rule", just because I felt it's the decent thing to do. When I was 58 I had a heart attack and flat lined. I found I was in the most wonderful, joyous place that I can't even describe with words. When I learned I had to come back I didn't want to.
I know you won't believe this because of your faith. Doesn't bother me and I can only retort that it doesn't matter what you or I believe or don't believe...it's what the truth is that matters. I think that truth is to follow the Golden Rule. When our spirits leave our bodies, it's our own consciousness that we meet...that's why Christians see Jesus, why Jews see Abraham or Moses, Hindus whatever Deity they follow, self centered people experience hell, etc. etc. etc. And that Golden Rule? It's in all major religions, including Wicca.
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Thanks for speaking up friend.

goofy thum
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My pleasure, friend! I know I said it doesn't bother me if people don't believe me but I hate it when so called "religious" people try to take something and stamp their religion on it. If they only knew...I've truly experienced something wonderful and I'm not about relent to these ridiculous notions of a God that condemns people to eternal punishment simply because they don't believe he exists.
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Yes it is very frustrating to see others spreading this fear-based conceptualization of heaven/hell and trying to encourage others to adopt it as well. The true nature of our existence is so much more beautiful and divinely complex than these flawed & limited conceptualizations pushed by the church and sadly adopted by so many as the 'truth' to the extent that they no longer seek their own answers from within.

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The last one, I took notes on. Now Im not sure that one would have an experience devoid of Creator, because that's not going to happen. But we're here to learn to Love and Give to others. But God/Goodness is Love, not jealous and not smiting:

They tried to perform cpu, didn't work. And she was trying to say she was alright, but no one heard her, so she left.

Notes:

--She was in a warm grey place. I had vision, I had awareness and had a sense of calm anticipation, like I had a ticket at the airport.....Because of this fog I couldn't perceive who else was there...kind of like God's Waystation.

--Then this Light happened. This Light exploded under me and went out in all directions.

This Light ..was layering back endlessly. I have no words to describe this, but had enough awareness to think, I was perceiving linear time as well, and what I think was dimensions, that's what I think the layers were. It was infinite.

--And not only was it Infinite, but there was nothing else in this Light but Love.
...There aren't any words, if I had been in flesh I think I would have just disintegrated in the Power of this Love.

And it was personal. It knew me, as Kim. I was Kim, and yet I was a part of this Light at the same time.

And I said, Homey Home, which is what I used to say as a toddler....

--The communication wasn't in English but it was perfect, it's what I now call a combination of Math and Music. I have skills in neither....It was better than English.

--This Math/Music was simple but complex. I got to ask questions that any fool would ask.

I wasn't Learning, I was remembering!

--Then I heard that I had to go back. I want to tell you I argued. You can argue with God. God will win.

---She was not really able to connect to her body properly so she prayed and asked God to come back, and He did, not in the same Light but communicated with her in Math/Music. He opened a window to her heaven, it looked like Kentucky she said, though she had never been there at the time, but the colors were not of this earth.

They (the colors) where of an intensity, a satuation of colors, I've never seen anything like it. And every blade of grass had its own consciousness. Millions upon millions and millions, but I knew every blade of grass.

--I knew that if I went through that window that would be it....She leapt for it, but then God, she says, she calls this her Creator, errupted and grabbed her by her heels and showed her in a series of flashes my future if I chose to live.

--I saw a series of flashes, and they were people, and they were all strangers, and they had mundane titles underneath, in English. Best Friend, next door neighbor, it just went on, colleague. It meant nothing to me, because I didn't know a single person, they were all strangers. Then I was shown a place where mountains met water....Then I saw myself being of service. I had 2 definitions of service, one was sterling, the other was what I got.

Giving Service is what I saw though. And that was such a radical thought and it looked so wonderful.

And I was back, I made my choice.
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I don't think it's a case of having been "kicked out of heaven." What I perceived was having been forced to experience physical reality subjectively. No sense of why-and because of that, a sense of unfairness.
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Perhaps the 'sense of why' is intentionally kept from our awareness here as to not disrupt the validity or purity of the process. For example, if we incarnated here with full awareness of where we came from, why we came here, and what lessons we were supposed to learn from our experiences, wouldn't it be cheating the process? They say you often have to learn your lessons the 'hard way'. Experience is the best teacher and if we knew the desired outcomes in advance we would not truly be evolving in the process, just pursuing an outcome that we had foreknowledge of in advance. Just my opinion. : )

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I can back up my conclusions with evidence, while you often speculate, based off selective evidence.
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You want to see 'selective evidence', just review your posts in this thread and your various other posts in other threads. You only post videos of people who talk about Hell/Jesus/Heaven with zero regard for the number of experiences that don't fit your bible-based understanding of the afterlife. Your agenda is transparent.

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[link to bibleprobe.com]
Excellent propoganda thread.... Please post the numerous NDE stories of non-christians who had no 'hell' experiences and were greeted by their deceased loved ones, as well as participated in their own life-reviews in which they were the judge of their life experiences.

Not going to mention those in this thread are ya? Doesn't fit in with the dualistic heaven/hell misconception and the lie that you need to be a Christian to experience a pleasant afterlife.

Carry on.
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Show me a non-Christian NDE, that went to heaven, and came across verdical information regarding their loved ones?

Because I don't know of any, if you do, prove me wrong.
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[link to neardeathsite.com]

Quite a few non Christian NDE's.


BBC: PAM SEES GOD. NDE Pam Reynolds. Amazing! Full version!


Near Death Experience: Light of God


Kimberly Clark Sharp's Near Death Experience
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I said NDEs, with veridical info about the deceased.
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I looked at Pam's account before. If you read, it's not in the video, an AJC article about her, she describes herself as a Christian. In this NDE, she came across veridical info regarding the surrounding environment, in her NDE. She saw her deceased relative in wonderful location, and she also saw a light. Which many NDErs also sees. But, she also asks what's this light? The answer given is this, it's the breath of God.

This now gives evidence, that this 'light' is an essence of God.

Here's the problem, if you only look at these postive NDEs, you may then assume, every single person is going to a wonderful heavenly location. Which is not the case. This is from a peer reviewed journal:

"I'm a surgical nurse at a hospital in Phoenix, Arizona. We have lots of near-death cases there, and almost all of them are the negative kind. You know what I mean people who wind up in hell!"

Source: P.M.H. Atwater - 92 Journal of Near-Death Studies Vol.10, No.3

A heart specialist from Chattanooga, Tennessee, has just finished a study of more than 100 patients brought back to life after being clinically dead. The bad news is that over half of the patients had a perfectly appalling time, walking through dimly-lit caverns and seeing fiendish figures brandishing pitchforks beside a smoking, sulphurous lake surrounded by moaning bodies. The doctor now firmly believes hell exists. Reluctantly, he said, I have come to the conclusion it may not be safe to die."

Source: May | June 1979 issue of Parapsychology Review
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I can back up my conclusions with evidence, while you often speculate, based off selective evidence.
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You want to see 'selective evidence', just review your posts in this thread and your various other posts in other threads. You only post videos of people who talk about Hell/Jesus/Heaven with zero regard for the number of experiences that don't fit your bible-based understanding of the afterlife. Your agenda is transparent.
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I already addressed this possibility when I mentioned the book, which you never read, the 'Land Unknown', also you're unable to address and ignore the NDE cases of people coming across veridical info about the deceased, and in this same NDE, also confirming the existence of hell.

Also, you can't even come up with a single case, in which veridical is obtained about the deceased in a NDE.
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I looked at Pam's account before. If you read, it's not in the video, an AJC article about her, she describes herself as a Christian. In this NDE, she came across veridical info regarding the surrounding environment, in her NDE. She saw her deceased relative in wonderful location, and she also saw a light. Which many NDErs also sees. But, she also asks what's this light? The answer given is this, it's the breath of God.

This now gives evidence, that this 'light' is an essence of God.

Here's the problem, if you only look at these postive NDEs, you may then assume, every single person is going to a wonderful heavenly location. Which is not the case. This is from a peer reviewed journal:

"I'm a surgical nurse at a hospital in Phoenix, Arizona. We have lots of near-death cases there, and almost all of them are the negative kind. You know what I mean people who wind up in hell!"

Source: P.M.H. Atwater - 92 Journal of Near-Death Studies Vol.10, No.3

A heart specialist from Chattanooga, Tennessee, has just finished a study of more than 100 patients brought back to life after being clinically dead. The bad news is that over half of the patients had a perfectly appalling time, walking through dimly-lit caverns and seeing fiendish figures brandishing pitchforks beside a smoking, sulphurous lake surrounded by moaning bodies. The doctor now firmly believes hell exists. Reluctantly, he said, I have come to the conclusion it may not be safe to die."

Source: May | June 1979 issue of Parapsychology Review
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According to your own standard of evidence we must disregard both of these quotes and the NDE's they speak of because there is no evidence presented of 'veridical information' and neither the Nurse nor the Doctor are speaking from first-hand experience. Nor did you establish that the people who experienced 'hell' were all non-Christians....

Want to try that again?

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He chooses a line of work in which one of the main objectives is to kill people and ends up in hell in the afterlife.

Surprise, surprise.
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The LORD GOD commanded the we should not KILL for a very good reason!
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The LORD GOD commanded that we shall not MURDER.

You'd think that you'd get that little distinction right, if you're so hot after the word of God.

Killing can be PROPER.

Using murder and improper killing to mock the concept of righteous killing, of killing in self-defense and for the protection of others against danger, is merely a liberal word salad. Liberalism is - above all - never standing for anything. If killing can be proper, then liberals are stuck with having to decide for themselves when it is proper, which means they have to stand for a moral position - which they refuse to do. So they reject ALL killing, and therefore ALL self-defense.

Which, of course, enables violent crime, murder, abuses of all kinds and Muslims and Communists to drench the world in rivers of blood.

But hey, what's a little mass murder and the destruction of civilization, compared to protecting a liberal's comfort zone?
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I can back up my conclusions with evidence, while you often speculate, based off selective evidence.
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You want to see 'selective evidence', just review your posts in this thread and your various other posts in other threads. You only post videos of people who talk about Hell/Jesus/Heaven with zero regard for the number of experiences that don't fit your bible-based understanding of the afterlife. Your agenda is transparent.
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I already addressed this possibility when I mentioned the book, which you never read, the 'Land Unknown', also you're unable to address and ignore the NDE cases of people coming across veridical info about the deceased, and in this same NDE, also confirming the existence of hell.

Also, you can't even come up with a single case, in which veridical is obtained about the deceased in a NDE.
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I'm not frantically searching Google and YouTube for NDE's because I've done my research and you are too close-minded to consider anything that contradicts your assumptions anyway... I know it, and you know it... So why waste time & energy to provide you with information you will disregard anyway?

Reincarnation is real. If you fuck up in this life, you get to try it again. Just don't be disappointed when you find out that 'religion' was not the purpose of your journey. : )

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I looked at Pam's account before. If you read, it's not in the video, an AJC article about her, she describes herself as a Christian. In this NDE, she came across veridical info regarding the surrounding environment, in her NDE. She saw her deceased relative in wonderful location, and she also saw a light. Which many NDErs also sees. But, she also asks what's this light? The answer given is this, it's the breath of God.

This now gives evidence, that this 'light' is an essence of God.

Here's the problem, if you only look at these postive NDEs, you may then assume, every single person is going to a wonderful heavenly location. Which is not the case. This is from a peer reviewed journal:

"I'm a surgical nurse at a hospital in Phoenix, Arizona. We have lots of near-death cases there, and almost all of them are the negative kind. You know what I mean people who wind up in hell!"

Source: P.M.H. Atwater - 92 Journal of Near-Death Studies Vol.10, No.3

A heart specialist from Chattanooga, Tennessee, has just finished a study of more than 100 patients brought back to life after being clinically dead. The bad news is that over half of the patients had a perfectly appalling time, walking through dimly-lit caverns and seeing fiendish figures brandishing pitchforks beside a smoking, sulphurous lake surrounded by moaning bodies. The doctor now firmly believes hell exists. Reluctantly, he said, I have come to the conclusion it may not be safe to die."

Source: May | June 1979 issue of Parapsychology Review
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According to your own standard of evidence we must disregard both of these quotes and the NDE's they speak of because there is no evidence presented of 'veridical information' and neither the Nurse nor the Doctor are speaking from first-hand experience, nor did the patients actually die (near-death). Not did you establish that the people who experienced 'hell' were all non-Christians....

Want to try that again?
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Actually I'm glad you're thinking like this. Let's throw all NDEs out, except for one type. In which only veridical info is obtained about the deceased in a heavenly location.

I know of 4 specific cases. All four, affirm the existence of heaven, hell, and Jesus.
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I'm pretty sure God considers the killings done by the Mystery Babylon

to maintain its satanic empire

and to spread its satanic culture

are in fact murders, and not

self defense.







He chooses a line of work in which one of the main objectives is to kill people and ends up in hell in the afterlife.

Surprise, surprise.
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The LORD GOD commanded the we should not KILL for a very good reason!
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The LORD GOD commanded that we shall not MURDER.

You'd think that you'd get that little distinction right, if you're so hot after the word of God.

Killing can be PROPER.

Using murder and improper killing to mock the concept of righteous killing, of killing in self-defense and for the protection of others against danger, is merely a liberal word salad. Liberalism is - above all - never standing for anything. If killing can be proper, then liberals are stuck with having to decide for themselves when it is proper, which means they have to stand for a moral position - which they refuse to do. So they reject ALL killing, and therefore ALL self-defense.

Which, of course, enables violent crime, murder, abuses of all kinds and Muslims and Communists to drench the world in rivers of blood.

But hey, what's a little mass murder and the destruction of civilization, compared to protecting a liberal's comfort zone?
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I can back up my conclusions with evidence, while you often speculate, based off selective evidence.
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You want to see 'selective evidence', just review your posts in this thread and your various other posts in other threads. You only post videos of people who talk about Hell/Jesus/Heaven with zero regard for the number of experiences that don't fit your bible-based understanding of the afterlife. Your agenda is transparent.
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I already addressed this possibility when I mentioned the book, which you never read, the 'Land Unknown', also you're unable to address and ignore the NDE cases of people coming across veridical info about the deceased, and in this same NDE, also confirming the existence of hell.

Also, you can't even come up with a single case, in which veridical is obtained about the deceased in a NDE.
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I'm not frantically searching Google and YouTube for NDE's because I've done my research and you are too close-minded to consider anything that contradicts your assumptions anyway... I know it, and you know it... So why waste time & energy to provide you with information you will disregard anyway?

Reincarnation is real. If you fuck up in this life, you get to try it again. Just don't be disappointed when you find out that 'religion' was not the purpose of your journey. : )
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Thanks for affirming, your little depth and lack of research.
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"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are SPIRITUAL beings having a HUMAN experience." So why, if our being here is just about having a "human experience", is the price so high that if we do not believe in Jesus Christ before we die we are sent to hell?

Here is Truth...we are all bound for hell because of our part in the Angel Wars (the REAL "Original sin") and this stop on earth is God's mercy toward us, giving us this one last chance to believe on His Son and return "HOME" to heaven. Jesus Christ/YahuShua Ha Mashiach is the ONLY WAY BACK TO THE FATHER (John 14:6 Jesus says "I am The Way, The Truth and the Life. No man comes unto The Father but by me."

In order to be sent here, we rebelled in heaven and became part of the 1/3 of the angels that fell with satan which explains why hell was designed "for satan and his angels" according to Matthew 25:41. We have been allowed to drink from the cup of forgetfulness and sent here to find our way back. We rebelled in heaven when we COULD see God and His Son so the hurdle we must overcome here on earth is to find the faith to believe in Him when we CANNOT see Him. That is FAITH. This Age of Grace will soon end when the time of the Gentiles (the souls of those who fell) is fulfilled. Believe on Jesus Christ while He may be found. He is your only way BACK HOME!

I do not know why I am compelled to put this here but it must be for someone. Those with ears, let them hear.
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bullshit, I dont want to be here, I dont want to rebel I simply want to know without any noise and contradictions WHAT THE FUKING RULES ARE AND WHO THE FLK IS IN CHARGE.
Throwing someone into a void with no instructions is no fking way to figure shit out.
Every outfit on the planet says that they are the 'ones' so who's to know? The almighty could consider returning some honestly and respectfully placed calls and speed up the process of coming home from this popstand
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It's almost intuitive.. or common sense.. if you think about it. What do you think it would be?

Love. Care for others as much as you care for yourself.

Try to live Righteously.. that means to be in accord with how God knows we should be. That goes back to Love.

Love one another.. desire to do what's right. Don't be selfish and greedy.. work hard and don't be lazy... just basic things that people should do for things to work well.

Have faith in God. That God knows what's best and that all things will lead to what's best for those who Love God.


If you go to a party and disrespect the host who made it happen and act the fool.. you'll be asked to leave..

The fallen angels disrespected God who gave them a wonderful life and they acted the fool and so they had to leave.

This is the second chance to come back to the party and act right.

Some just don't want to.. they're selfish and greedy and eternal life in paradise doesn't work well with those types around.. so they'll have to go permanently..

others just messed up and need a second chance to learn from their mistakes.. this is it.

Either you have it in you to want to do what's right or you don't. And there can't be a party if there are those there who don't want to do what's right.

All of the confusion is just a means of keeping you off the right path.. but in your heart if you REALLY want and try to do what's right.. you'll be on the correct path.

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I looked at Pam's account before. If you read, it's not in the video, an AJC article about her, she describes herself as a Christian. In this NDE, she came across veridical info regarding the surrounding environment, in her NDE. She saw her deceased relative in wonderful location, and she also saw a light. Which many NDErs also sees. But, she also asks what's this light? The answer given is this, it's the breath of God.

This now gives evidence, that this 'light' is an essence of God.

Here's the problem, if you only look at these postive NDEs, you may then assume, every single person is going to a wonderful heavenly location. Which is not the case. This is from a peer reviewed journal:

"I'm a surgical nurse at a hospital in Phoenix, Arizona. We have lots of near-death cases there, and almost all of them are the negative kind. You know what I mean people who wind up in hell!"

Source: P.M.H. Atwater - 92 Journal of Near-Death Studies Vol.10, No.3

A heart specialist from Chattanooga, Tennessee, has just finished a study of more than 100 patients brought back to life after being clinically dead. The bad news is that over half of the patients had a perfectly appalling time, walking through dimly-lit caverns and seeing fiendish figures brandishing pitchforks beside a smoking, sulphurous lake surrounded by moaning bodies. The doctor now firmly believes hell exists. Reluctantly, he said, I have come to the conclusion it may not be safe to die."

Source: May | June 1979 issue of Parapsychology Review
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According to your own standard of evidence we must disregard both of these quotes and the NDE's they speak of because there is no evidence presented of 'veridical information' and neither the Nurse nor the Doctor are speaking from first-hand experience, nor did the patients actually die (near-death). Not did you establish that the people who experienced 'hell' were all non-Christians....

Want to try that again?
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Actually I'm glad you're thinking like this. Let's throw all NDEs out, except for one type. In which only veridical info is obtained about the deceased in a heavenly location.

I know of 4 specific cases. All four, affirm the existence of heaven, hell, and Jesus.
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Here's the irony. A part of me wants to be wrong, this is why I search multiple sources in depth. I was a non-Christian for most of my life, and did this research to prove Christians were wrong. The more I search, the more and more I realize they are right.
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I don't think it's a case of having been "kicked out of heaven." What I perceived was having been forced to experience physical reality subjectively. No sense of why-and because of that, a sense of unfairness.
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Perhaps the 'sense of why' is intentionally kept from our awareness here as to not disrupt the validity or purity of the process. For example, if we incarnated here with full awareness of where we came from, why we came here, and what lessons we were supposed to learn from our experiences, would it be a bit like cheating the process? They say you often have to learn your lessons the 'hard way'. Experience is the best teacher and if we knew the desired outcomes in advance we would not truly be evolving in the process, just pursuing an outcome that we had foreknowledge of in advance. Just my opinion. : )
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I agree. It would be like "teaching to the test" so to speak. : )
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I looked at Pam's account before. If you read, it's not in the video, an AJC article about her, she describes herself as a Christian. In this NDE, she came across veridical info regarding the surrounding environment, in her NDE. She saw her deceased relative in wonderful location, and she also saw a light. Which many NDErs also sees. But, she also asks what's this light? The answer given is this, it's the breath of God.

This now gives evidence, that this 'light' is an essence of God.

Here's the problem, if you only look at these postive NDEs, you may then assume, every single person is going to a wonderful heavenly location. Which is not the case. This is from a peer reviewed journal:

"I'm a surgical nurse at a hospital in Phoenix, Arizona. We have lots of near-death cases there, and almost all of them are the negative kind. You know what I mean people who wind up in hell!"

Source: P.M.H. Atwater - 92 Journal of Near-Death Studies Vol.10, No.3

A heart specialist from Chattanooga, Tennessee, has just finished a study of more than 100 patients brought back to life after being clinically dead. The bad news is that over half of the patients had a perfectly appalling time, walking through dimly-lit caverns and seeing fiendish figures brandishing pitchforks beside a smoking, sulphurous lake surrounded by moaning bodies. The doctor now firmly believes hell exists. Reluctantly, he said, I have come to the conclusion it may not be safe to die."

Source: May | June 1979 issue of Parapsychology Review
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According to your own standard of evidence we must disregard both of these quotes and the NDE's they speak of because there is no evidence presented of 'veridical information' and neither the Nurse nor the Doctor are speaking from first-hand experience, nor did the patients actually die (near-death). Not did you establish that the people who experienced 'hell' were all non-Christians....

Want to try that again?
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Actually I'm glad you're thinking like this. Let's throw all NDEs out, except for one type. In which only veridical info is obtained about the deceased in a heavenly location.

I know of 4 specific cases. All four, affirm the existence of heaven, hell, and Jesus.
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Here's the irony. A part of me wants to be wrong, this is why I search multiple sources in depth. I was a non-Christian for most of my life, and did this research to prove Christians were wrong. The more I search, the more and more I realize they are right.
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So you were wrong earlier, but now you think you got it right this time, right? Well what happens when the same pattern plays out a few years from now, and you look back on this time and realize that you didn't have it quite right even though you 'believed' at the time that you did? It will happen to you again.

The mainstream & commonly accepted understanding of the messages of the bible are misguided and misinterpretations of the original teachings... The original teachings/messages speak to the evolution of consciousness, but the messages are cleverly veiled and disguised in parable/allegory/metaphor/symbolism. Do the churches teach their followers how to grow and evolve their conscious awareness to transcend duality and find the 'kingdom of heavein' WITHIN??? Certainly not. Those teachings have been lost. If you want to watch some eye-opening interpretation and analysis of biblical scripture, I suggest looking into some of the videos on this YouTube Channel:

[link to www.youtube.com]

I am not even christian and I find these lectures to be enjoyable and ripe with wisdom. Enjoy.

hf

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According to your own standard of evidence we must disregard both of these quotes and the NDE's they speak of because there is no evidence presented of 'veridical information' and neither the Nurse nor the Doctor are speaking from first-hand experience, nor did the patients actually die (near-death). Not did you establish that the people who experienced 'hell' were all non-Christians....

Want to try that again?
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Actually I'm glad you're thinking like this. Let's throw all NDEs out, except for one type. In which only veridical info is obtained about the deceased in a heavenly location.

I know of 4 specific cases. All four, affirm the existence of heaven, hell, and Jesus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26861263


Here's the irony. A part of me wants to be wrong, this is why I search multiple sources in depth. I was a non-Christian for most of my life, and did this research to prove Christians were wrong. The more I search, the more and more I realize they are right.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26861263


So you were wrong earlier, but now you think you got it right this time, right? Well what happens when the same pattern plays out a few years from now, and you look back on this time and realize that you didn't have it quite right even though you 'believed' that you did (or do right now)? The same pattern will play out.

The mainstream & commonly accepted understanding of the messages of the bible are misguided and misinterpretations of the original teachings... The original teachings/messages teach you every thing you need to know about evolution of consciousness, but the messages are cleverly veiled and disguised in parable/allegory/metaphor/symbolism. Do the churches teach their followers how to grow and evolve their conscious awareness to transcend duality and find the 'kingdom of heavein' WITHIN??? Certainly not... If you want to read some eye-opening interpretation and analysis of biblical scripture, I suggest looking into some of the videos on this YouTube Channel:

[link to www.youtube.com]

I am not even christian and I find these lectures to be enjoyable and ripe with wisdom. Enjoy.

hf
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I don't by the way, only look for these types of veridical info in these NDEs. I use the same criteria, when for example studying other subjects such as demonology, which gives great credibility, that these entities, certainly aren't merely a metaphor / symbolism / etc. If you look for verdical info about these entities, you can then rule out the person isn't merely suffering from a mental illness.

And regarding these entities, once veridical info is ascertained, you will learn they specifically hate and fear not Buddha, Muhammad, Krishna, etc, but rather they specifically hate and fear Jesus.
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Show me a non-Christian NDE, that went to heaven, and came across verdical information regarding their loved ones?

Because I don't know of any, if you do, prove me wrong.
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[link to neardeathsite.com]

Quite a few non Christian NDE's.


BBC: PAM SEES GOD. NDE Pam Reynolds. Amazing! Full version!


Near Death Experience: Light of God


Kimberly Clark Sharp's Near Death Experience
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I said NDEs, with veridical info about the deceased.
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I looked at Pam's account before. If you read, it's not in the video, an AJC article about her, she describes herself as a Christian. In this NDE, she came across veridical info regarding the surrounding environment, in her NDE. She saw her deceased relative in wonderful location, and she also saw a light. Which many NDErs also sees. But, she also asks what's this light? The answer given is this, it's the breath of God.

This now gives evidence, that this 'light' is an essence of God.

Here's the problem, if you only look at these postive NDEs, you may then assume, every single person is going to a wonderful heavenly location. Which is not the case. This is from a peer reviewed journal:

"I'm a surgical nurse at a hospital in Phoenix, Arizona. We have lots of near-death cases there, and almost all of them are the negative kind. You know what I mean people who wind up in hell!"

Source: P.M.H. Atwater - 92 Journal of Near-Death Studies Vol.10, No.3

A heart specialist from Chattanooga, Tennessee, has just finished a study of more than 100 patients brought back to life after being clinically dead. The bad news is that over half of the patients had a perfectly appalling time, walking through dimly-lit caverns and seeing fiendish figures brandishing pitchforks beside a smoking, sulphurous lake surrounded by moaning bodies. The doctor now firmly believes hell exists. Reluctantly, he said, I have come to the conclusion it may not be safe to die."

Source: May | June 1979 issue of Parapsychology Review
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But its not about whether those who don't speak of God or those who do, have wonderful experiences or not.

Its more about, doing the work you came to do. And for all souls that would be, Service To Others, Love Others.

So being sent back is because there was more to learn and do and share.

Everything in this world is backwards, its wrong, its a trap.

Even our religions are set up as deliberate traps but I don't want to go into things about Christianity. I was drawn by Spirit to the Love in the message, but don't agree with all that is there, see metaphor, and renounce the Sun God coding.

But more important is to see through Selfishness and abuse of others, the world, nature and having apathy.

The other things do not matter as much.

However going within, praying and seeking for God/Goodness/Creator to reveal to you, what you need to know, to pour out your heart and failings. Whether its to your soul, to God, to seek, and ask to be healed, forgiven, shown what is important, to deprogram and to help others.

Searching is a part of being awake, not being asleep at the wheel.

But its easy to get off kilter and off target in this world, and you have to keep coming back to the simple things and Love and helping others as you are led.
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"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are SPIRITUAL beings having a HUMAN experience." So why, if our being here is just about having a "human experience", is the price so high that if we do not believe in Jesus Christ before we die we are sent to hell?

Here is Truth...we are all bound for hell because of our part in the Angel Wars (the REAL "Original sin") and this stop on earth is God's mercy toward us, giving us this one last chance to believe on His Son and return "HOME" to heaven. Jesus Christ/YahuShua Ha Mashiach is the ONLY WAY BACK TO THE FATHER (John 14:6 Jesus says "I am The Way, The Truth and the Life. No man comes unto The Father but by me."

In order to be sent here, we rebelled in heaven and became part of the 1/3 of the angels that fell with satan which explains why hell was designed "for satan and his angels" according to Matthew 25:41. We have been allowed to drink from the cup of forgetfulness and sent here to find our way back. We rebelled in heaven when we COULD see God and His Son so the hurdle we must overcome here on earth is to find the faith to believe in Him when we CANNOT see Him. That is FAITH. This Age of Grace will soon end when the time of the Gentiles (the souls of those who fell) is fulfilled. Believe on Jesus Christ while He may be found. He is your only way BACK HOME!

I do not know why I am compelled to put this here but it must be for someone. Those with ears, let them hear.
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bullshit, I dont want to be here, I dont want to rebel I simply want to know without any noise and contradictions WHAT THE FUKING RULES ARE AND WHO THE FLK IS IN CHARGE.
Throwing someone into a void with no instructions is no fking way to figure shit out.
Every outfit on the planet says that they are the 'ones' so who's to know? The almighty could consider returning some honestly and respectfully placed calls and speed up the process of coming home from this popstand
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For me a lot of it has been learning to look inside and trust the confirmation or rejection I find and to seek confirmation outside as well. Growing up? Learning discernment - which is an ongoing process. Trusting in prayer was a big hurdle as well. Seek and you will find, God promises that.
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His description of golden eyes/13 feet tall let me know he was not bullshitting.
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