Ex-marine's NDE hell testimony

There's a case of woman, in her NDE, who came across a tremendous amount of veridical info, showing this wasn't merely imagined. She confirms both heaven and hell is real.

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She also states, there's cases, in which if person didn't fulfill his destiny, in a life, he / she may then return again in another body.

After researching Dr. Tucker's work, his findings gives weight to this as well.

Why didn't you answer my question why was God's inspired words banned from the Bible by fallible man

You just can't comprehend that I'm not going to stoop to your YouTube/Google Search game. If I go find you an examples you'll come back with more of your cherry-picked copy & paste jobs. You have already made up your mind. You don't want to consider that your conceptualization of this subject has been incomplete and subjective, catered to conveniently fit your programmed/conditioned belief system.

The evidence for reincarnation completely refutes and contradicts your conceptualization of this. There are even GLP members who will testify to their NDE experiences who understand that what you are trying to push is flawed and incorrect. They have posted their stories on GLP before, search for them. You are completely missing the mark on this and encouraging others to join you in the process. That's the only reason why I am opening my mouth because I feel you are doing a disservice to others reading this thread by steering them down a path of fear & little awareness.

You are not a physical body trying to earn your way into 'heaven'.

You are a spirit temporarily inhabiting a physical body trying to grow & evolve your consciousness through experiences in the physical realm.

This nonsense about religious belief systems and the heaven vs. hell misconception is doing nothing but hindering what you set out here to do.

Open the box you find yourself in.

nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you." Luke 17:21

From the mouth of Jesus


And Jesus Himself says no one has ascended into heaven until the Great white throne judgement until then everybody is asleep either Jesus is lying or this person is being deceived have you ever thought about that. There is no hell in the original manuscripts but there is words like Sheol , Gehenna and Hades which mean grave where all of us go until the great white throne judgement

Well, here's one. I was born, baptized and raised Christian. I quit believing little by little from my 20's to late 30's/early 40's when I completely rejected Christ, God and an afterlife, but I still followed the "golden rule", just because I felt it's the decent thing to do. When I was 58 I had a heart attack and flat lined. I found I was in the most wonderful, joyous place that I can't even describe with words. When I learned I had to come back I didn't want to.
I know you won't believe this because of your faith. Doesn't bother me and I can only retort that it doesn't matter what you or I believe or don't believe...it's what the truth is that matters. I think that truth is to follow the Golden Rule. When our spirits leave our bodies, it's our own consciousness that we meet...that's why Christians see Jesus, why Jews see Abraham or Moses, Hindus whatever Deity they follow, self centered people experience hell, etc. etc. etc. And that Golden Rule? It's in all major religions, including Wicca.

In one of these banned books, that was so-called 'inspired'. It states, that Jesus was never crucified the 'Gospel of Thomas'. So, how do you know the book was even inspired by God?

There's been many accounts, of people seeing Jesus and actually seeing his crucifixion wounds, giving evidnence that he was indeed crucified.

But it was in the Holy Bible the infallible Holy Bible and many Christians believed it how do you know that the Bible that we have today isn't corrupted. Are you saying that over 40 books were banned or ripped out from the infallible Holy Bible

There's two accounts, that I read by GLP members, that confirms the hell NDE. One was chained and saw the lake of fire.

Once again, you ignore I also read books as basis for my conclusions. I love how you keep ignoring this. Also the fact, that you don't know a single NDE case, in which veridical info is obtained specifically regarding the deceased.

Here's a book, which I'm sure you never read. It's by a former atheist, 'A Land Unknown'. In this, book, the man comes across veridical info in his NDE. Showing of course, the experience wasn't merely imagined. He confirmed the existence of hell, heaven, and Jesus. In hell, he was shown a part, in which people were initially deceived into believing they were in heaven / paradise. He believes, this is why many non-Christians are deceived by demons, into believing that they went into a nice location, in their NDEs.

Thanks for speaking up friend.

The Gospel of Thomas, was never included in the official cannon. Also, as already stated, my research outside the Bible, is helping to confirm the official cannons, are truly inspired. For example, the book of Ezekial talks about the four living creatures around God in detail. There's two NDE accounts, who also saw these exact same four living creatures around God. In these two same NDEs, the two people came across a lot of veridical info, showing the experience wasn't merely imagined.

And the disciples asked him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?"

But he answered them and said, "Elijah indeed is to come and will restore all things. But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also shall the Son of Man suffer at their hand."
Then the disciples understood that he had spoken of John the Baptist." (Matt. 17:10-13)

Behold I will send you Elijah the prophet, before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. (Mal. 4:5)


this is one of the major Messianic promises from God that is found in the Bible. And these John is Elijah references clearly demonstrate the reality of reincarnation. So there are two important conclusions we can draw from this:

(1) The Hebrew scriptures prophesied that Elijah himself - not someone like him or someone in the same ministry as him but Elijah himself - would return before the advent of the Messiah.

(2) Jesus declared John to be Elijah when he stated that Elijah has come.
Based on these conclusions alone, either (A) or (B) must be true:

(A) John was Elijah himself which means that Elijah reincarnated as John the Baptist. And if this is true then reincarnation must belong once again in Christian theology. It also means that the concept of corpses crawling out of graves on Judgment Day can be discarded. OR...

John was not Elijah reincarnated which means that Elijah himself did not return. And if this is true then either (1) or (2) listed below is true:

(1) Malachi's prophecy concerning Elijah's return to life before the coming of the Messiah failed to happen. This would mean that God does not keep his promise and that the Bible is fallible. OR...
(2) Jesus was not the Messiah.

Based on all the logic presented thus far, only one of the following conclusions is true:
I. Reincarnation is a reality OR...
II. Jesus was not the Messiah OR...
III. Bible prophecies are not reliable.

There is no way around this logic. Only one of the above options can be true. And because Jesus' declaration that John is Elijah is overt and direct, then the only option that can be logically true is (A).

Did you already easily forget my post? I'm not ruling reincarnation out as a possibility.

There's a case of woman, in her NDE, who came across a tremendous amount of veridical info, showing this wasn't merely imagined. She confirms both heaven and hell is real.

But,

She also states, there's cases, in which if person didn't fulfill his destiny, in a life, he / she may then return again in another body.

After researching Dr. Tucker's work, his findings gives weight to this as well.

And after the disciples understood Jesus was talking about Elijah being John the Baptist and Jesus did not correct them if in fact their interpretation was wrong. Then we are left with following:

John the Baptist denies being Elijah when asked if he was Elijah in another passage in the bible and he denies being Elijah, which from the teachings of reincarnation is perfectly understandable since one of the main tenets of reincarnation is that you do not remember previous incarnations.

So that leaves us four options.

1. Jesus was mistaken when he said John the Baptist was Elijah and he did not correct his disciples when they understood Jesus was talking about Elijah being John the Baptist as described in Matt. 17:10-13.

2. John the Baptist was telling the truth as far as he knew given the fundamental tenet of reincarnation that you do not remember previous life's.

3. Jesus was accurate saying John the Baptist was Elijah.
And John the Baptist was telling the truth given one of the fundamental tenets of reincarnation that you do not remember previous incarnations in your current life.

4. Either Jesus or John the Baptist is lying.

Option three is the most logical since they are all telling the truth given the various facts and teachings. Option one, two or four makes either Jesus or John the Baptist a liar.

Yes, but there are thousands of accounts of people, theists, atheists and agnostics, that have NDEs of heaven, and they reported that there was no Jesus there. In your opinion, did they see a false heaven, OP?

There's a study done by a NDE researcher. He's a doctor. From his findings, not all 'near death experiences' are technically clinically death experiences. If a person has an NDE, but one which the person isn't technically clinically dead, the experience will be much more varied.

In these cases, in which the person isn't technically clinically dead, it's believed the experience may be influenced more by the subconscious.

Another factor to take into account is this. When many have traveled up to heaven, they stated, they seen demons outside of heaven. Demons are known to deceive people.

So did the person travel to this realm and were deceived, or did they go beyond this?

In the later part of the thread, I shared an account by a former atheist, who confirmed the existence of heaven, hell, and Jesus. He was shown a part of hell. In this part, people were initially deceived into believing they went to a wonderful location. Showing, that many may have been deceived by demons in their NDEs.

Yes, you're right there's been many accounts of those who went to heaven, but didn't see Jesus. But, they also didn't see any other prophets. For example, if you look at the NDE accounts by Muslims, they don't see Muhammad.


If they did see, other prophets, I would then personally look for what's known as veridical info, to give strong evidence the experience was not merely imagined. Even if there was veridical info, one must take into account demonic deception.

I'm still looking over more, but I haven't yet seen a single account of a person seeing for example Buddha, Krisha, Muhammad, in a heavenly location, but also coming veridical info to help prove the experience was not imagined.

So now the people who thought they went to heaven and were visited by deceased family members were really deceived by demons?



Man religion is a hell of a drug!

You just can't fathom an afterlife that exists where you don't need to subscribe to any particular religious beliefs to get there, can you?

Drugs don't explain veridical info.

cool story, so were reincarnated angels. Your 2 quotes scriptures don't support the story. Its plausible, but not backed up by scripture, please elaborate on your study.

I said religion was a hell of a drug. It manipulates the mind and keeps individuals trapped in duality and fear-based consciousness.

Yep, NDEs, specifically the ones where people come across veridical info about the deceased (where you can't provide a single case), is affirming the validity of one religion.

did they both bring tape measures?

Many in these NDEs, will state their senses are highly enhanced, and will have instant knowing.

For example of people's senses being enhanced, sound gives off a frequency that can't be seen by the physical eyes. In addition, there's higher frequencies beyond the light spectrum that can't be seen by the visible eyes. However in these NDEs, many have stated they can see sound, and also they saw colors, that don't exist here on Earth. Which suggests, it's a color, with a higher frequency not visible to our physical eyes.

There is no religion in the afterlife and the sooner you can figure this out the better. You didn't come here to blindly follow a religion or to pray for someone to be your savior or messiah. You came here to grow and learn (evolve) through having physical experiences and the longer you continue to believe you are some 'fallen angel' to got kicked out of heaven and punished, the longer you will continue to hinder your own personal growth.

Tell me.... Where did the millions and millions of souls/spirits go that lived for thousands of years before the alleged time of Jesus? If you're going to tell me Abraham's 'bosom', don't even bother responding.

[link to neardeathsite.com]

Quite a few non Christian NDE's.


BBC: PAM SEES GOD. NDE Pam Reynolds. Amazing! Full version!


Near Death Experience: Light of God


Kimberly Clark Sharp's Near Death Experience

It states this in the Bible. But, you selectively ignore this. Also you completely ignore, or are ignorant of the study of demonology, which further backs up my claim.

Once while tripping very hard, a friend and I both had the distinct feeling of pre-existence in the sense that we experienced consciousness before birth. Post trip, we both concurred that there was the sensation of having existed in a non-corporeal way.

It seemed as though we were forced to experience physical existence as punishment (or test) for something that had transpired while we were just consciousnesses. It seemed unfair to us that we had to learn to use a physical body in such short time.

I don't believe there is a hell. I think the punishment has already occurred. We have been made physical for some transgression.

We learn and atone or we are born again....and again. We are expected to learn our place before we are allowed to enjoy existence as spiritual, consciousness-only beings.

We are the fallen angels.

What's the matter, you can't come up with your own answer from within? The bible has been edited/censored/manipulated/mistranslated countless times... I'm asking you to answer. Man has been incarnating on this Earth for thousands and thousands of years, where have all these souls/spirits gone? Where is Abraham's 'bosom' located? Please explain in detail. Thanks!

P.S. your 'demons' are low-energy/vibration entities and when your consciousness leaves your body you will no longer be inhibited by the limiting nature of the left-hemisphere of your brain (mind), so please cut it out with all the bullshit about people being 'deceived by demons' in their NDE experiences.... You seem to understand the bit about the increased awareness but still speak from the dulled down awareness of the left-brain influence of consciousness.