A Particle Physicist Looks At The Shroud of Turin | |
Mi'Kmaq User ID: 1002628 Puerto Rico 11/08/2012 03:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | New findings of the link between the event horizon of the Resurrection (as recorded on the Shroud of Turin) and the Dawn of Creation (Big Bang) Quoting: Salt "When you look at the image of the Shroud, with the two bodies next to each other, you feel that it's a flat image. But, if you create, for instance, a three dimensional object as I did, then you realize that there is a strange dividing element - an interface from which the image is projected up and the image is projected down. The muscles of the body are absolutely not crushed against the stone of the tomb. They are perfect. It means that the body is hovering between the two sides of the shroud. What does that mean? That means that there is absolutely no gravity." just means that it had been wrapped around a body..... Last Edited by 1357 on 11/08/2012 03:10 PM |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21291600 United States 11/08/2012 03:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | New findings of the link between the event horizon of the Resurrection (as recorded on the Shroud of Turin) and the Dawn of Creation (Big Bang) Quoting: Salt "When you look at the image of the Shroud, with the two bodies next to each other, you feel that it's a flat image. But, if you create, for instance, a three dimensional object as I did, then you realize that there is a strange dividing element - an interface from which the image is projected up and the image is projected down. The muscles of the body are absolutely not crushed against the stone of the tomb. They are perfect. It means that the body is hovering between the two sides of the shroud. What does that mean? That means that there is absolutely no gravity." just means that it had been wrapped around a body..... plz watch the video |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21291600 United States 11/08/2012 03:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the energy source that created the images on the front and back of the cloth came from within and projected outward. it did not come from an outside, external source. otherwise the image would project from one light source and have an angled and shadowed effect on the cloth |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21291600 United States 11/08/2012 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The centuries-old shroud contains a faint impression of the front and back of a human body, along with blood, dirt and water stains from age. Many have long questioned the shroud’s authenticity, and others have suggested that it was faked during medieval times. The Italian researchers, who conducted dozens of hours of tests with X-rays and ultraviolet lights, said that no laser existed to date that could replicate the singular nature of markings on the shroud. They also said that the kind of markings on the cloth could not have come from direct contact of the body with the linen. Previous investigation has determined the markings could not have come from pigments or dyes. The Italian scientists said the marks could only have been made by “a short and intense burst of VUV directional radiation.” Such technology did not exist in the time the skeptics claim the shroud could have been forged. [link to abcnews.go.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27175180 United States 11/08/2012 03:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is AMAZING! As a believer in Christ Jesus, the Resurrection of our Savior is that defining moment where death was overcome in victory and, by FAITH, we believe....but to find a group of scientists that confirm this...well, that's just a miracle! : ) |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21291600 United States 11/08/2012 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [PDF] Sub-micrometer coloration of depth of linens by vacuum ultraviolate radiation Abstract: We present experimental results of excimer laser irradiation (wavelengths 193 nanometers and 308 nanometers) of raw linen fabrics, seeking for a coloration similar to that of the body image embedded onto the Shroud of Turin. We achieved a very superficial Shroud-like coloration of linen yarns in a narrow range of irradiation parameters. We also obtained latent coloration that appears after artificial aging of linen following laser irradiations that at first did not generate any visible effect. Most importantly, we have recognized distinct physical and photo-chemical processes that are responsible for both coloration and latent coloration. These processes may have played an important role in the generation of the body image on the Shroud of Turin. www.acheiropoietos.info/proceedings/DiLazzaroWeb.pdf |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21291600 United States 11/08/2012 03:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That is AMAZING! As a believer in Christ Jesus, the Resurrection of our Savior is that defining moment where death was overcome in victory and, by FAITH, we believe....but to find a group of scientists that confirm this...well, that's just a miracle! : ) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27175180 there is much to be learned from this relic. and, i suspect it will be vastly more than we imagined. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21291600 United States 11/08/2012 03:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to shroudresearch.com] The Following is a list of recommended web sites for anyone with a serious interest in the Shroud of Turin investigative research. [link to Shroud.com] [link to pjshield.com] [link to sindone.torino.chiesacattolica.it] [link to shroudcouncil.org] [link to www.ohioshroudconference.com] [link to shrouduniversity.com] [link to worldofunexplainedmysteries.com] [link to biblediscoveries.com] [link to www.shroudencounter.com] |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21291600 United States 11/08/2012 03:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Numerical Simulation of a Human Body Subjected to Electrostatic Fields for Study of the Turin Shroud Body Image Giulio Fanti1, Luca Matordes1, Vitantonio Amoruso2, Marco Bullo1, Franco Lattarulo2, Giancarlo Pesavento1 1Dip. di Ingegneria Industriale, Università di Padova, Padova, Italy 2Politecnico di Bari, Bari, Italy Abstract The TS (Turin Shroud) [1,2] is a fine linen fabric showing a not yet explainable [3] double body image of a scourged and crucified man stabbed on the side. Many hypotheses have been formulated without success [4] and perhaps the most reliable is one correlated to the Corona Discharge [5] that supposes the presence of an intense electric field, amplified by the presence of ionization induced by radon. Before to formulate specific hypotheses regarding the environmental conditions, that will be studied in the future, the analysis focalizes the interest on the verification of the effects of such an electric model on a linen sheet. Therefore the first steps is to simulate the electrostatic field distribution along a two-dimensional sheet enveloping a numerical manikin of a human body having his position coherent with that detected on the TS [6]. Two of the authors [7] have already performed a preliminary analysis using a rough numerical manikin composed of 11 ellipsoids. The results of a more detailed numerical manikin, in which there are also reproduced the hair, the hands' fingers and some detail of face, like nose and eyes (Figure 1), are here presented and discussed. This improvement seems necessary because the interest on the TS image is also addressed to these details. The numerical manikin with its boundary conditions was implemented in the COMSOL Multiphysics 4.2a software. During the preprocessing phase it has been chosen a second order interpolation in the element (tetrahedrons) composing the mesh that was built in a domain given by the volume difference between a parallelepiped and a manikin; the elements sizes ranges from 0,0001 to 0, 01 m. Starting from the hypothesis that the superficial intensity of the electrostatic field is proportional to the image intensity codified on the linen sheet, the aim of this study is to show which is the best environmental condition, if any, from an electric point of view, that produces an image as similar as possible to that of the TS. Different electrical ambiences were considered and simulated. For example the results reported in Figure 2 and Figure 3 are relative to a floating conductive manikin posed in a parallelepiped having isolated lateral walls, whose roof is an equipotential surface of 1 V and whose floor is grounded. Parallelepiped's sizes are of 0.5, 0.2, and 0.2 m and the manikin is in the middle of it. The electric field on the manikin's surface has been evidenced with a maximum value, relative to the present simulation, of about 49 V/m. The peaks of the electric field are mainly due to the manikin's jags such as the nose, but there are also some angularities of the mesh, for example in correspondence of the hands, that produce not real peaks in electric field and this limit of the numerical model must be considered. The supposed proportionality between the electric field intensity and the luminance levels of the codified image on the TS linen sheet, allows to compare the results showing a general similitude but still evidencing some incongruence of details like the fingers [link to shroudofturinwithoutallthehype.wordpress.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27326985 United Kingdom 11/08/2012 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The physicist ignored the one alternative possibility that trumps HIS speculation because it is more plausible: someone skilled in human forensics and knowledgeable about light-sensitive chemicals (like an alchemist) used a camera obscura to photograph an image of a corpse onto a linen sheet treated with such a chemical. It would explain why the image is a negative, not a photographic reproduction, and why there are are TWO images, as reported by an Italian physicist several years ago. The fainter one he found on the reverse side was a trial run. It would also account for the difference in scale between the head and the torso. The head is unnaturally detached from the neck because its image was done separately and the fabricator did not match exactly his projection scales when he projected the image of the torso and the image of the head. If this guy's claims were so sound, they would have settled the debate about the Turin Shroud. They have not convinced other researchers because they ignore other evidence that is inconsistent with his theory. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8171374 United States 11/08/2012 04:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The physicist ignored the one alternative possibility that trumps HIS speculation because it is more plausible: someone skilled in human forensics and knowledgeable about light-sensitive chemicals (like an alchemist) used a camera obscura to photograph an image of a corpse onto a linen sheet treated with such a chemical. It would explain why the image is a negative, not a photographic reproduction, and why there are are TWO images, as reported by an Italian physicist several years ago. The fainter one he found on the reverse side was a trial run. It would also account for the difference in scale between the head and the torso. The head is unnaturally detached from the neck because its image was done separately and the fabricator did not match exactly his projection scales when he projected the image of the torso and the image of the head. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27326985 If this guy's claims were so sound, they would have settled the debate about the Turin Shroud. They have not convinced other researchers because they ignore other evidence that is inconsistent with his theory. The truth of this will never be settled in this world because of the hostility towards what is being looked at... Jesus christ himself will personally put it all to rest one day |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21291600 United States 11/08/2012 04:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The physicist ignored the one alternative possibility that trumps HIS speculation because it is more plausible: someone skilled in human forensics and knowledgeable about light-sensitive chemicals (like an alchemist) used a camera obscura to photograph an image of a corpse onto a linen sheet treated with such a chemical. It would explain why the image is a negative, not a photographic reproduction, and why there are are TWO images, as reported by an Italian physicist several years ago. The fainter one he found on the reverse side was a trial run. It would also account for the difference in scale between the head and the torso. The head is unnaturally detached from the neck because its image was done separately and the fabricator did not match exactly his projection scales when he projected the image of the torso and the image of the head. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27326985 If this guy's claims were so sound, they would have settled the debate about the Turin Shroud. They have not convinced other researchers because they ignore other evidence that is inconsistent with his theory. which physicist are you talking about? the physicist in the video is a woman. the bottom line is the shroud has not produced any evidence that it is fake. and further, there is no evidence that concludes any explanation whatsoever, to date. |
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Enoch User ID: 25933684 United States 11/08/2012 07:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus's fleshly body was instantly transformed into a spiritual body and some of the effects of the process was captured on the shroud. If it happened that way now for everyone else the same effect would happen all of the time, but our fleshly bodies don't change to spiritual bodies at this point. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 21291600 United States 11/08/2012 09:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus's fleshly body was instantly transformed into a spiritual body and some of the effects of the process was captured on the shroud. Quoting: Enoch 25933684 If it happened that way now for everyone else the same effect would happen all of the time, but our fleshly bodies don't change to spiritual bodies at this point. bump. don't you hate when you create a thread and somebody steps all over it by pinning somebody else's really old thread on the same topic, 15 mins after yours is created? lol... |
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weasel keeper User ID: 15395274 United States 11/09/2012 08:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The physicist ignored the one alternative possibility that trumps HIS speculation because it is more plausible: someone skilled in human forensics and knowledgeable about light-sensitive chemicals (like an alchemist) used a camera obscura to photograph an image of a corpse onto a linen sheet treated with such a chemical. It would explain why the image is a negative, not a photographic reproduction, and why there are are TWO images, as reported by an Italian physicist several years ago. The fainter one he found on the reverse side was a trial run. It would also account for the difference in scale between the head and the torso. The head is unnaturally detached from the neck because its image was done separately and the fabricator did not match exactly his projection scales when he projected the image of the torso and the image of the head. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27326985 If this guy's claims were so sound, they would have settled the debate about the Turin Shroud. They have not convinced other researchers because they ignore other evidence that is inconsistent with his theory. The truth of this will never be settled in this world because of the hostility towards what is being looked at... Jesus christ himself will personally put it all to rest one day. This is the truth that the left hates and will be crushed by this stone of truth. Wild Weasels? You've got to be shitting me! |