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"In the Book of Genesis, Moses recounts the expulsion of Adam and Eve from Paradise after they have disobeyed God. But this is only a means of explaining the descent of human beings into matter. This descent, in fact, was neither a mistake nor an accident; it was foreseen by Cosmic Intelligence. Why? Because in order to attain knowledge in its totality, human beings were required to develop their intellectual faculties; and in order to develop these faculties, they had to devote themselves to the exploration of matter, which meant placing themselves in conditions which temporarily diminished their perception of the spiritual world. Human beings today find themselves at this stage of their evolution: they are immersed in materialism. But it is not the final stage: when this experience is complete, they will return once again to the regions of the soul and spirit which they left behind, and thanks to all they have experienced in the material realm by way of the intellect, they will return enriched."

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"In the Book of Genesis, Moses recounts the expulsion of Adam and Eve from Paradise after they have disobeyed God. But this is only a means of explaining the descent of human beings into matter. This descent, in fact, was neither a mistake nor an accident; it was foreseen by Cosmic Intelligence. Why? Because in order to attain knowledge in its totality, human beings were required to develop their intellectual faculties; and in order to develop these faculties, they had to devote themselves to the exploration of matter, which meant placing themselves in conditions which temporarily diminished their perception of the spiritual world. Human beings today find themselves at this stage of their evolution: they are immersed in materialism. But it is not the final stage: when this experience is complete, they will return once again to the regions of the soul and spirit which they left behind, and thanks to all they have experienced in the material realm by way of the intellect, they will return enriched."

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Nice theory, but that is all it is. The fall was not by design, it was a terrible mistake that has c ost the lives of untold trillions, all lost, gone forever, never to be returned, never to be held again, gone without hope. You think that was God's design?
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"In the Book of Genesis, Moses recounts the expulsion of Adam and Eve from Paradise after they have disobeyed God. But this is only a means of explaining the descent of human beings into matter. This descent, in fact, was neither a mistake nor an accident; it was foreseen by Cosmic Intelligence. Why? Because in order to attain knowledge in its totality, human beings were required to develop their intellectual faculties; and in order to develop these faculties, they had to devote themselves to the exploration of matter, which meant placing themselves in conditions which temporarily diminished their perception of the spiritual world. Human beings today find themselves at this stage of their evolution: they are immersed in materialism. But it is not the final stage: when this experience is complete, they will return once again to the regions of the soul and spirit which they left behind, and thanks to all they have experienced in the material realm by way of the intellect, they will return enriched."

hf
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Nice theory, but that is all it is. The fall was not by design, it was a terrible mistake that has c ost the lives of untold trillions, all lost, gone forever, never to be returned, never to be held again, gone without hope. You think that was God's design?
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Why should we accept reincarnation

When we accept the idea of reincarnation, we begin to understand that there is a reason for all that happens in life. It is not by chance that we are born into a particular country and into such-and-such a family, that we possess certain qualities and have varying situations to cope with. Everything has its cause, more or less remote, in a previous existence. Of course, this knowledge will influence our reactions, because when we understand that everything has a reason, we stop revolting against trials and setbacks. We know that these tests are the result of laws broken in previous incarnations, and we accept them, without accusing someone else of being the cause of our unhappiness.
Finally, belief in reincarnation stimulates people to reinforce their will-power. They set to work to repair their past errors and also to avoid reprehensible acts, which they know will lead to suffering. They work hard to create a future filled with light. (JANUARY 17, 1998)

We have to cultivate both aspects of our being, the internal and the external: the external aspect for society, and the internal aspect for ourselves. We have to live our inner life for ourselves while bearing in mind that it will grow and spread until it reaches to every corner of the world and touches every creature in heaven and on earth. The scope of our external activity is very limited, but that of our internal activity is vast. Our physical acts touch only a few people whereas our feelings, and above all our thoughts, can touch all creatures. The mind is far more powerful and embraces infinitely more things than the will; its possibilities are also far subtler and more varied. By means of our thoughts we can do whatever we want, even travel through space; whereas the will operates on the physical plane and is therefore severely limited by the resistance of matter. One day when we have lived through innumerable reincarnations and done a great deal of psychic work, the activity of our will will follow immediately on that of our mind. (JANUARY 24, 1995)

From both an educational and a psychological point of view it is unwise to tell people about their previous incarnations. The time will come, of course, when each of us must look at this question for the sake of our own evolution, but not before we have first acquired a certain degree of self mastery. Imagine being told that someone around you or even in your family has been your worst enemy in the past, that they persecuted you or massacred you. How would you react? If in this life we encounter certain people or belong to a certain family, it is because we have matters to sort out with these people or with members of that family. And what about those people who are told that they we powerful or famous in the past? Will they be sensible enough to avoid becoming excessively pretentious? If you are weak, if you lack self control, what will this lead to? Certain revelations are dangerous, because they risk troubling people or awakening desires for vengeance or ambitions that will hinder their evolution.
If it were so important to know our reincarnations, why does providence hide them from us? For one good reason: it anticipates the future and wishes us to stay in this state of ignorance so we may better rectify our past mistakes. (JANUARY 27, 2000)

Belief in reincarnation is one of the corner stones of morality. As long as human beings are unaware of the law of cause and effect, which carries over from one life to the next, no amount of sermonizing will ever do much good. Too many people still believe that they will burn in hell for all eternity because of their sins! Of course, one often meets people who do not believe in reincarnation and who are naturally honest and good. The only trouble is that one can never be absolutely sure that this state of affairs will last. In certain circumstances such things as fear, covetousness or a desire for revenge can get the better of them and then there is no holding them back: they will no longer be either good or honest! This is because their morality was not built on a firm foundation, a knowledge of the law of cause and effect which is operative from one incarnation to the next. (APRIL 20, 1995)

Whatever work providence or fate has given you, you must make the effort to accomplish it in the best way possible. If you refuse to do it, or if you show negligence pretexting that you do not think you deserve this work, your are retarding your evolution, and later you will be obliged to come back to correct and repair the situation. When this happens, you will notice how difficult it is to redo work you thought was finished.
If we are on earth, suffering and struggling in the midst of difficulties, it is precisely because we must finish or start over some work... Heaven has sent us back to repair our mistakes and carry on with our education. That is the meaning of our successive reincarnations. If we refuse to understand these lessons, we will be sent back to earth, and it will be harder and harder to correct our faults. (MAY 22, 2001)

At the source of a river in the mountains, the water springs forth pure and crystal clear. As it descends, it collects dirt and wastes from the regions it crosses, and when it reaches the ocean, it is saturated with impurities. But soon, warmed by the sun’s rays, it is transformed into steam and takes up its journey into the sky, until one day it falls again in the form of rain or snow.
We can interpret this voyage of water symbolically. Human destiny resembles the perpetual movements of water between heaven and earth. Like drops of water, souls descend to earth, each in a predetermined location. From there they have an entire road to travel until, tired and worn from life’s labours, they return to their starting point... only to descend again, one day, in another place. This is called reincarnation. (JUNE 1, 2005)

When people talk about the devil, they do not know exactly to what cosmic or psychic reality this word corresponds. The devil does not exist as an individual entity opposed to God and on an equal footing with him. Those people who claim that the devil appeared to them have only imagined it. Spirits of light exist and so do spirits of darkness, and it is this group of evil spirits that we call the devil. The devil does not exist as an entity separate from and opposed to God, but as a collective force that is nourished and reinforced by people’s negative thoughts, feelings and actions.
And we can also say that the devil is part of man himself, of his lower self. How was it formed? During his reincarnations man has continuously fed his lower self with his weaknesses and vices, thus blocking the path to Heaven. However there exists also in man a luminous entity, his higher self that has been formed with his thoughts, feelings and actions inspired by kindness, generosity, love and sacrifice. So, if people tried hard to restore order to their inner life, the devil would disappear. (JULY 23, 2001)

Human beings are imperfect, and it should not surprise them when these imperfections complicate their relationships. When men and women meet and marry, misunderstandings often begin right away. It is inevitable. But instead of separating immediately, it is best if they try first of all to surmount their problems, saying to themselves: 'There must be a reason why fate brought us together, since chance doesn't exist. I must therefore work hard to accept him (or her) for this incarnation, in order to learn and to improve myself.' There are cases in which it is better to leave a person with whom you do not get along, but not before making every effort to save the situation, all the while conducting yourself with patience and generosity. Otherwise divine justice will confront you once again with the same problems. Whether it is in this incarnation or in the next, you will not escape. Human beings are not in the habit of reasoning in this way, because

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Re: Moses recounts the expulsion of Adam & Eve from Paradise after they have disobeyed God. This descent, was neither a mistake nor an accident
"Our intellect and our heart can join together to do some good work only on condition that they remain faithful to their celestial Father and Mother, to wisdom and love. At the very instant the heart and intellect stop receiving true wisdom and true love through the spirit and the soul, they are committed to the powers of darkness.

Heaven symbolizes everything that emerges, blossoms and constantly develops, and when man turns his intellect and heart away from his celestial Father and Mother, believing he will find happiness somewhere else, his inner source runs dry; in reality, he finds spiritual drought and death, because he has betrayed his parents. In his desire for facility, he has succumbed to the temptations of matter, to his taste for pleasures, his social ambition, and has accepted all sorts of compromises. He has repeated the sin of Adam and Eve who, by disobeying, broke the link with their celestial Father and Mother and were driven from paradise. And now, it is up to us to work with divine wisdom and love so that Adam - our intellect - and Eve - our heart - be welcomed again in paradise."

"Human beings are sinners, conceived in sin and born in sin: this is what the Church has repeated time and again for centuries. But by insisting on this idea and promulgating it to such a degree, the Church is preventing humanity from righting itself, for it lessens their hope and their desire to extricate themselves from the situation.

Of course, there is some degree of truth in the fact that humans are conceived in sin, because their parents pass on to them an already defective inheritance. Just look at the conditions they conceive their children in! Is it in light, purity and real love? Rarely. So, children already lack these things and suffer for it. But as for the idea that, ever since Adam and Eve, original sin is inevitably passed on from one generation to the next – no. If humans find the light, if they try to cultivate kindness, honesty, fairness and wisdom, Adam and Eve no longer matter; everything can be changed, transformed. Why inculcate ideas that keep people forever cowed by guilt, with no hope of one day holding their head high? Granted, we are all sinners, but we do not have to remain sinners for eternity: we can progress all the way to perfection."

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The difference between you and me is that you believe that you can become a god through self effort, I do not. I am a martyr for the Lord Jesus Christ, and fellow bondslave of His. I did nothing to deserve my inclusion into this fellowship of the ELOHIM other than my faith that sustained me through my murder and I was brought back to this life, not through re-incarnation but through ressurrection.
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The difference between you and me is that you believe that you can become a god through self effort, I do not. I am a martyr for the Lord Jesus Christ, and fellow bondslave of His. I did nothing to deserve my inclusion into this fellowship of the ELOHIM other than my faith that sustained me through my murder and I was brought back to this life, not through re-incarnation but through ressurrection.
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There is no difference, bro hf
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Oh for pete's sake ! It's a BOOK

A book written by men who plagiarised huge sections from earlier religions

God didn't write the book

He didn't dictate that book

The final draft wasn't even decided until almost 400 years after the death of the historical Christ

Surely you don't seriously believe God wouldn't have produced something far superior to the bible if he'd written it ?

Right now, available in bookstores all over the world, you can buy professor Schlomo Sand's book in which he states, categorically, that Solomon and David were myths

NONE of Sand's contemporaries or jewish historical scholars or academics has even attempted to refute Sand's claims because they already knew it to be true

It's time people graduated from the shackles of bible stories into which they were indoctrinated in pre-school

Adam and Eve ? Eve created from Adam's rib ? Apples ? Serpents ?

Many of you people are university graduates, yet you still stick by the writings in one particular book despite the fact you threw all your other fairy story books out twenty years ago because you'd grown out of them

Belief in God does not require you to believe in an old book which contradicts itself and which was patched together by men approx. 1600-1700 years ago. During the selection process, they withheld at least as much material. They burned the library at Alexandria. They subjected that patched-together book to endless corrupt 'translations'

and it's still going on


Time to free your minds and take another look at life on earth. Time to get up to date. Time to relegate to the past all that deserves to be in the past





People are puzzled by the hard-line approach suddenly taken by Putin re: religion. Yet it's not difficult to see his reasoning. By silencing all critics of religions, he can further hamstring independent thought. Populations who adhere slavishly to old religions are FAR easier to control and manipulate than are populations of independent thinkers

God gave you brains, so use them. God gave you curiosity, so set it free. God gave you reasoning powers, discernment, and advised you utilize those talents
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Re: Moses recounts the expulsion of Adam & Eve from Paradise after they have disobeyed God. This descent, was neither a mistake nor an accident
Oh for pete's sake ! It's a BOOK

A book written by men who plagiarised huge sections from earlier religions

God didn't write the book

He didn't dictate that book

The final draft wasn't even decided until almost 400 years after the death of the historical Christ

Surely you don't seriously believe God wouldn't have produced something far superior to the bible if he'd written it ?

Right now, available in bookstores all over the world, you can buy professor Schlomo Sand's book in which he states, categorically, that Solomon and David were myths

NONE of Sand's contemporaries or jewish historical scholars or academics has even attempted to refute Sand's claims because they already knew it to be true

It's time people graduated from the shackles of bible stories into which they were indoctrinated in pre-school

Adam and Eve ? Eve created from Adam's rib ? Apples ? Serpents ?

Many of you people are university graduates, yet you still stick by the writings in one particular book despite the fact you threw all your other fairy story books out twenty years ago because you'd grown out of them

Belief in God does not require you to believe in an old book which contradicts itself and which was patched together by men approx. 1600-1700 years ago. During the selection process, they withheld at least as much material. They burned the library at Alexandria. They subjected that patched-together book to endless corrupt 'translations'

and it's still going on


Time to free your minds and take another look at life on earth. Time to get up to date. Time to relegate to the past all that deserves to be in the past





People are puzzled by the hard-line approach suddenly taken by Putin re: religion. Yet it's not difficult to see his reasoning. By silencing all critics of religions, he can further hamstring independent thought. Populations who adhere slavishly to old religions are FAR easier to control and manipulate than are populations of independent thinkers

God gave you brains, so use them. God gave you curiosity, so set it free. God gave you reasoning powers, discernment, and advised you utilize those talents
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well said to no avail.......people believe what people tell them to.....
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"In the Book of Genesis, Moses recounts the expulsion of Adam and Eve from Paradise after they have disobeyed God. But this is only a means of explaining the descent of human beings into matter. This descent, in fact, was neither a mistake nor an accident; it was foreseen by Cosmic Intelligence. Why? Because in order to attain knowledge in its totality, human beings were required to develop their intellectual faculties; and in order to develop these faculties, they had to devote themselves to the exploration of matter, which meant placing themselves in conditions which temporarily diminished their perception of the spiritual world. Human beings today find themselves at this stage of their evolution: they are immersed in materialism. But it is not the final stage: when this experience is complete, they will return once again to the regions of the soul and spirit which they left behind, and thanks to all they have experienced in the material realm by way of the intellect, they will return enriched."

hf
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Nice theory, but that is all it is. The fall was not by design, it was a terrible mistake that has c ost the lives of untold trillions, all lost, gone forever, never to be returned, never to be held again, gone without hope. You think that was God's design?
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An OMNISCIENT GOD cannot make mistakes dear child.... you are thinking about the acts of God as a mortal... and WE ALL will never be able to fathom the mind of God.

So in short... To say that it was a mistake is to lay an attack on the character of your Creator.... so in essence you are saying that the God that you believe in is NOT ALL-Knowing!!!.

And the LIVES of trillions are never lost... as long as Jesus Blood is eternally on the mercy seat.... they will never be lost. Christ is the Hope!!!- THAT WAS THE DESIGN!!!
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Where does it say Moses wrote Genesis? Jesus ascribed the next 4 books of the Pentatuch to Moses but never Genesis. The book is obviously a first hand eyewitness account. Moses may have compiled the testimonies of Adam, Noah, Shem, etc. but to insist he wrote the books is a stretch to say the least. Notice the phrase "these are the generations of..." that is how Moses the compiler marked the end of one eyewitness account and the start of a new one.
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"In the Book of Genesis, Moses recounts the expulsion of Adam and Eve from Paradise after they have disobeyed God. But this is only a means of explaining the descent of human beings into matter. This descent, in fact, was neither a mistake nor an accident; it was foreseen by Cosmic Intelligence. Why? Because in order to attain knowledge in its totality, human beings were required to develop their intellectual faculties; and in order to develop these faculties, they had to devote themselves to the exploration of matter, which meant placing themselves in conditions which temporarily diminished their perception of the spiritual world. Human beings today find themselves at this stage of their evolution: they are immersed in materialism. But it is not the final stage: when this experience is complete, they will return once again to the regions of the soul and spirit which they left behind, and thanks to all they have experienced in the material realm by way of the intellect, they will return enriched."

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Nice theory, but that is all it is. The fall was not by design, it was a terrible mistake that has c ost the lives of untold trillions, all lost, gone forever, never to be returned, never to be held again, gone without hope. You think that was God's design?
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So are you saying God..who is perfect...made a mistake?

If so..he is not god almighty..but only god a little bit mighty and just as prone to fucking things up as us humans.

So that being the case..what RIGHT does he have to judge us for OUR mistakes when he made the biggest one of all according to you?

You know..

They say that God says to me, "Forgive your enemies."

I say, "I do;" but he says,

"I will torture MINE forever and ever in unbearable AGONY."

God should be consistent.

If he wants me to forgive my enemies he should forgive his.

I am asked to forgive enemies who can hurt me.

God is only asked to forgive enemies who cannot hurt him.

He certainly ought to be as generous as he asks us to be.
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The Kingdom is both at hand and within us. Jesus was an Essene. Jesus studied in India. His message was filled with the internal spirit projected outward to change the world for good.
He was killed because of his message that God was within us all.
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The difference between you and me is that you believe that you can become a god through self effort, I do not. I am a martyr for the Lord Jesus Christ, and fellow bondslave of His. I did nothing to deserve my inclusion into this fellowship of the ELOHIM other than my faith that sustained me through my murder and I was brought back to this life, not through re-incarnation but through ressurrection.
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There is no difference, bro hf
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There is a big difference. In my case, I had no body left, it was burned to ash. I saw what they did to bring me back, they backed up a hologrqaphic recorder, then took the template of my old body, then took the "stuff" of me that was left, put it back, and viola, instant resurrection. In re-incarnation, you supposedly come back as a different life form, which does not occur ever.
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"In the Book of Genesis, Moses recounts the expulsion of Adam and Eve from Paradise after they have disobeyed God. But this is only a means of explaining the descent of human beings into matter. This descent, in fact, was neither a mistake nor an accident; it was foreseen by Cosmic Intelligence. Why? Because in order to attain knowledge in its totality, human beings were required to develop their intellectual faculties; and in order to develop these faculties, they had to devote themselves to the exploration of matter, which meant placing themselves in conditions which temporarily diminished their perception of the spiritual world. Human beings today find themselves at this stage of their evolution: they are immersed in materialism. But it is not the final stage: when this experience is complete, they will return once again to the regions of the soul and spirit which they left behind, and thanks to all they have experienced in the material realm by way of the intellect, they will return enriched."

hf
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Nice theory, but that is all it is. The fall was not by design, it was a terrible mistake that has c ost the lives of untold trillions, all lost, gone forever, never to be returned, never to be held again, gone without hope. You think that was God's design?
 Quoting: Wingedlion27


So are you saying God..who is perfect...made a mistake?

If so..he is not god almighty..but only god a little bit mighty and just as prone to fucking things up as us humans.

So that being the case..what RIGHT does he have to judge us for OUR mistakes when he made the biggest one of all according to you?

You know..

They say that God says to me, "Forgive your enemies."

I say, "I do;" but he says,

"I will torture MINE forever and ever in unbearable AGONY."

God should be consistent.

If he wants me to forgive my enemies he should forgive his.

I am asked to forgive enemies who can hurt me.

God is only asked to forgive enemies who cannot hurt him.

He certainly ought to be as generous as he asks us to be.
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You're logic is flawed by the corruption of your own mind. The fault of the fall is not with God, but with man. I have a son who I love with all my heart, but he has chosen a path of a criminal. To me, he is no criminal, but to the law, he is. So is his sin my fault, or his?
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The Kingdom is both at hand and within us. Jesus was an Essene. Jesus studied in India. His message was filled with the internal spirit projected outward to change the world for good.
He was killed because of his message that God was within us all.
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"In the Book of Genesis, Moses recounts the expulsion of Adam and Eve from Paradise after they have disobeyed God. But this is only a means of explaining the descent of human beings into matter. This descent, in fact, was neither a mistake nor an accident; it was foreseen by Cosmic Intelligence. Why? Because in order to attain knowledge in its totality, human beings were required to develop their intellectual faculties; and in order to develop these faculties, they had to devote themselves to the exploration of matter, which meant placing themselves in conditions which temporarily diminished their perception of the spiritual world. Human beings today find themselves at this stage of their evolution: they are immersed in materialism. But it is not the final stage: when this experience is complete, they will return once again to the regions of the soul and spirit which they left behind, and thanks to all they have experienced in the material realm by way of the intellect, they will return enriched."

hf
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Nice theory, but that is all it is. The fall was not by design, it was a terrible mistake that has c ost the lives of untold trillions, all lost, gone forever, never to be returned, never to be held again, gone without hope. You think that was God's design?
 Quoting: Wingedlion27


So are you saying God..who is perfect...made a mistake?

If so..he is not god almighty..but only god a little bit mighty and just as prone to fucking things up as us humans.

So that being the case..what RIGHT does he have to judge us for OUR mistakes when he made the biggest one of all according to you?

You know..

They say that God says to me, "Forgive your enemies."

I say, "I do;" but he says,

"I will torture MINE forever and ever in unbearable AGONY."

God should be consistent.

If he wants me to forgive my enemies he should forgive his.

I am asked to forgive enemies who can hurt me.

God is only asked to forgive enemies who cannot hurt him.

He certainly ought to be as generous as he asks us to be.
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You're logic is flawed by the corruption of your own mind. The fault of the fall is not with God, but with man. I have a son who I love with all my heart, but he has chosen a path of a criminal. To me, he is no criminal, but to the law, he is. So is his sin my fault, or his?
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But if you were god you would have KNOWN your son was going to break the law...and being god you even desiged a place of torutre to toss him into it for breaking a law you KNEW he would break.

YOU COULD have avoided that for him but no..you ON PURPOSE planted a tree in his garden you KNEW he would eat of..especially after you ON PURPOSE let a snake into the garden to MAKE SURE it happenned..and then after he did what YOU KNEW he would do because you SET IT UP that way..you then KILL HIM and burn him alive forever.

SOME fucking father YOU are.
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nice thread OP. Too bad so few understand it.
hf
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nice thread OP. Too bad so few understand it.
hf
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1 + 0 = 10 hf
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nice thread OP. Too bad so few understand it.
hf
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1 + 0 = 10 hf
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haha nice! 1+0=10=1hfhf
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nice thread OP. Too bad so few understand it.
hf
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1 + 0 = 10 hf
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haha nice! 1+0=10=1hfhf
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hf hf hf
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nice thread OP. Too bad so few understand it.
hf
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1 + 0 = 10 hf
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haha nice! 1+0=10=1hfhf
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hf hf hf
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Whats all this faggoty flowers bullshit between spain and switzerland anyway?

You two got some bum action planned or something?

Shit..looks like the shit ya get on poofy dating sites the way you two are carrying on.

Are all christians this gay?

Seriously?
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Re: Moses recounts the expulsion of Adam & Eve from Paradise after they have disobeyed God. This descent, was neither a mistake nor an accident
nothing surprises God. He knows the beginning and end of the human story. He doesn't make mistakes. All is according to His plan, and you are just a part of the plan, and a created being with some purpose.

Find your purpose and fulfill the will of God. Give Him the glory and worship and stop fighting your childish fights.

Look around you at the perfection of this universe, the planet, the mix of body and water, the chemistry, the art, the perfection of thought and deed.

Inperfection to you, is perfection to God, because that imperfection has a purpose. You don't get to see the whole picture, the big picture and you never will. You aren't God.
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1 + 0 = 10 hf
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haha nice! 1+0=10=1hfhf
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hf hf hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8717845


Whats all this faggoty flowers bullshit between spain and switzerland anyway?

You two got some bum action planned or something?

Shit..looks like the shit ya get on poofy dating sites the way you two are carrying on.

Are all christians this gay?

Seriously?
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1 is Spirit (male) + 0 is Matter (female) = perfect 10 or Christ or God or Metatron or Ain Soph Aur or ...

Feeling/imagine/being gay stems from the fact, that souls choose to change their gender from one incarnation to the other, therefore its completely normal that they still feel a very strong attraction towards their equivalent gender from their last incarnation ... in this life, obviously they get attracted by the same gender ...

Thats it! No drama. No illness. No problem at all!

Peace hf
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Nice theory, but that is all it is. The fall was not by design, it was a terrible mistake that has c ost the lives of untold trillions, all lost, gone forever, never to be returned, never to be held again, gone without hope. You think that was God's design?
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So are you saying God..who is perfect...made a mistake?

If so..he is not god almighty..but only god a little bit mighty and just as prone to fucking things up as us humans.

So that being the case..what RIGHT does he have to judge us for OUR mistakes when he made the biggest one of all according to you?

You know..

They say that God says to me, "Forgive your enemies."

I say, "I do;" but he says,

"I will torture MINE forever and ever in unbearable AGONY."

God should be consistent.

If he wants me to forgive my enemies he should forgive his.

I am asked to forgive enemies who can hurt me.

God is only asked to forgive enemies who cannot hurt him.

He certainly ought to be as generous as he asks us to be.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34991857



You're logic is flawed by the corruption of your own mind. The fault of the fall is not with God, but with man. I have a son who I love with all my heart, but he has chosen a path of a criminal. To me, he is no criminal, but to the law, he is. So is his sin my fault, or his?
 Quoting: Wingedlion27


But if you were god you would have KNOWN your son was going to break the law...and being god you even desiged a place of torutre to toss him into it for breaking a law you KNEW he would break.

YOU COULD have avoided that for him but no..you ON PURPOSE planted a tree in his garden you KNEW he would eat of..especially after you ON PURPOSE let a snake into the garden to MAKE SURE it happenned..and then after he did what YOU KNEW he would do because you SET IT UP that way..you then KILL HIM and burn him alive forever.

SOME fucking father YOU are.
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i COULD NOT DO ANY OF THAT WITHOUT VIOLATING HIM.WITHOUT VIOLATING HIS FREEWILL TO CHOOSE. i WOULD HAVE TO MAKE ALL OF HIS CHOICES FOR HIM. iS THAT WHAT YOU WANT FOR YOURSELF?

sEE, gOD IS HOLY. BEING HOLY MEANS YOU DO NOT EXPLOIT ANYTHING FOR YOUR OWN SELFISH PLEASURE. tHAT INCLUDEDS INTERFERRING IN OTHER PEOPLES LIVES. tHAT IS WHY THERE IS A "DO NOT JUDGE OTHERS.." COMMANDMENT. wHEN YOU SEE THINGS FROM hIS PERSWPECTIVE, IT SHEDS NEW LIGHT. tHE TROUBLE IS, ARE YOU ABLE TO GROPE YOURSLEF OUT OF THE DARKNESS YOU ARE IN?
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