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I am for globalism. Ask me a question.

 
A Futurist
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I am for globalism. Ask me a question.
I actually think that a global government is the ideal state that the world must reach if humanity is ever to get off this rock and start colonizing the solar system and the cosmos.

I await your abuse.
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Well your wrong because all the UN cares about is Population Control.

They do not want to Colonize space they want to make space here on this planet for themselves.
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The UN is only the most recent attempt at forming a group through which sovereign nations can negotiate.

That's not actually a one-world government.
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ONE!

One planet and One People is the goal for every planet in the universe. However this is a loft Goal.

The men upon this planet still smear their shit upon walls. This very true, and at the same time it is symbolic.

there are those that hurt children. Those children grow up uncared about all the way up the ladder, or down, and their only responce for being ignored is smearing their shit upon the walls.

Until man is able to care about everyone, by truly caring about themselves, there can never be a group union.
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The UN is only the most recent attempt at forming a group through which sovereign nations can negotiate.
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The whole political system is froth with people that are sick in the head born into familes and then allowed to abuse others with their power.
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The UN is only the most recent attempt at forming a group through which sovereign nations can negotiate.
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The whole political system is froth with people that are sick in the head born into familes and then allowed to abuse others with their power.
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This is true even in the current nationalist system.
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What we have is a pile of potatoes with some mouldy ones mixed in.

Corruption being what it is, if all the potatoes are dumped into one sack, pretty quickly you'll have a single, unified, global, stinking mess.

Far better to put the potatoes into lots of little separate bags so that some might survive. I'm not counting on many surviving.
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This is true even in the current nationalist system.
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Well until it is Untrue by mankind rasing themselve up out of the mud such that the animalistic nature is not allowed to manipulate the system, there can be no union.
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What we have is a pile of potatoes with some mouldy ones mixed in.

Corruption being what it is, if all the potatoes are dumped into one sack, pretty quickly you'll have a single, unified, global, stinking mess.

Far better to put the potatoes into lots of little separate bags so that some might survive. I'm not counting on many surviving.
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When all the bags contain rotten potatoes, the end result isn't much improved.

A common thread here seems to be that the political system is extraordinarily corrupt. That, I think, is a given.

Since no one else has asked any questions, I'll ask those that have responded: what means might be available in a global system to root out institutional corruption that are not present in the current nationalist system?
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This is true even in the current nationalist system.
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Well until it is Untrue by mankind rasing themselve up out of the mud such that the animalistic nature is not allowed to manipulate the system, there can be no union.
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I suppose you have a point, but isn't there something to be said for creating a system that breaks down walls by way of giving people the right environment in which to develop that true humanity?
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Do you know why sovereign independant states and countries is important ? An why a one world global government is so unthinkable?

Because if say one world government passes a law that says " Every citizen of the united nations of earth must live in a space no larger than 200 sq ft "

YOU CAN LEAVE AN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!
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Do you know why sovereign independant states and countries is important ? An why a one world global government is so unthinkable?

Because if say one world government passes a law that says " Every citizen of the united nations of earth must live in a space no larger than 200 sq ft "

YOU CAN LEAVE AN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!
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Right now, in the current nationalist system, if a country passes a similar law, only those with extraordinary means would be able to move outside of it's control.
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I suppose you have a point, but isn't there something to be said for creating a system that breaks down walls by way of giving people the right environment in which to develop that true humanity?
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Transparency. But this can not happen because of fear. Fear filled animals that are parts of Secret socieites, deluted with power and sense of self to the point that they think anything they do is devination.

They fear? The animal slaves they have made. They fear the monsters they have created and in the end the monsters tear them appart.

So they keep their dirty secrects.

The planet needs a baptisim to wash away the sins. This could have been done with water, but will mostlikely be done with fire.
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Private Miners will go out looking for Commodities.

Maybe by mining an Asteroid for Ores.



And new colonies will be started by Explorers.


Explorers are Rugged Individualists, not some pompous roman official.
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I suppose you have a point, but isn't there something to be said for creating a system that breaks down walls by way of giving people the right environment in which to develop that true humanity?
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Transparency. But this can not happen because of fear. Fear filled animals that are parts of Secret socieites, deluted with power and sense of self to the point that they think anything they do is devination.

They fear? The animal slaves they have made. They fear the monsters they have created and in the end the monsters tear them appart.

So they keep their dirty secrects.

The planet needs a baptisim to wash away the sins. This could have been done with water, but will mostlikely be done with fire.
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While I'd agree that a blank slate is easier to paint on, I'd still rather see a path to global unity that doesn't involve mass death.
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Private Miners will go out looking for Commodities.

Maybe by mining an Asteroid for Ores.



And new colonies will be started by Explorers.


Explorers are Rugged Individualists, not some pompous roman official.
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The idea of the rugged individual-as-explorer is true in some cases, but not all. Don't forget, Columbus, Vespucci, and Drake were all government-sponsored.
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Do you know why sovereign independant states and countries is important ? An why a one world global government is so unthinkable?

Because if say one world government passes a law that says " Every citizen of the united nations of earth must live in a space no larger than 200 sq ft "

YOU CAN LEAVE AN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9321583


Right now, in the current nationalist system, if a country passes a similar law, only those with extraordinary means would be able to move outside of it's control.
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Not at all . For instance. If chicago the taxes are INSANE , you are not allowed to carry firearms to defend ones self. 10$ /hr public parking ..... guess what you can move out of that state to any other where the laws suit you better. under a one world government if they have similar laws and taxes regs ect its the same EVERYWHERE .

Atleast now if you're not dirt poor you can move to wherever. I know several people who just left the country to live in mexico and they LOVE IT there .. and no im not talking bout border town warzones. but whatever . I don't even know why im talking. Im sick of living on this planet because of people like you and others who seek to de populate and supress humanity . And you're all just so naive you chug it all down like an Ice cold stella artois .

I'm just glad I never had children and won't be subjecting any offspring to the future.
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Why does a united world require government?
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If you create the world government before people actually have a global mentality, you will have to enforce it and it will backfire. Right now people do not have a global mentality, there's a lot of subyacent ethnocentrism and resentment.
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Do you know why sovereign independant states and countries is important ? An why a one world global government is so unthinkable?

Because if say one world government passes a law that says " Every citizen of the united nations of earth must live in a space no larger than 200 sq ft "

YOU CAN LEAVE AN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9321583


Right now, in the current nationalist system, if a country passes a similar law, only those with extraordinary means would be able to move outside of it's control.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14090794



Not at all . For instance. If chicago the taxes are INSANE , you are not allowed to carry firearms to defend ones self. 10$ /hr public parking ..... guess what you can move out of that state to any other where the laws suit you better. under a one world government if they have similar laws and taxes regs ect its the same EVERYWHERE .

Atleast now if you're not dirt poor you can move to wherever. I know several people who just left the country to live in mexico and they LOVE IT there .. and no im not talking bout border town warzones. but whatever . I don't even know why im talking. Im sick of living on this planet because of people like you and others who seek to de populate and supress humanity . And you're all just so naive you chug it all down like an Ice cold stella artois .

I'm just glad I never had children and won't be subjecting any offspring to the future.
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I'm not seeking depopulation. If you read further up, you'll see that I want to see a solution that leads to global government without loss of life.

I don't think depopulation is the answer. I think a vertical society and eventual colonization will solve the population issue. Preservation of the wilderness is definitely important, but I think that with present technologies, we could find a way to have people living in natural surroundings without doing as much damage to it as our current pave-and-play idea of buildup does.
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Why does a united world require government?
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A united world still requires government for administration of resources, disaster response, and peacekeeping, among other factors.

Determining the focus of scientific research, managing food production and distribution on a global scale and other infrastructural projects would all require massive coordination on the part of some sort of administrative body.
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If you create the world government before people actually have a global mentality, you will have to enforce it and it will backfire. Right now people do not have a global mentality, there's a lot of subyacent ethnocentrism and resentment.
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You raise a good point. I suppose I think that the chicken has to come before the egg, in this case. A global society would produce a global citizen, imo.

Still, I think the thought of a "testbed" wouldn't be out of bounds. Perhaps a geographic area that would have no nationality other than "Earthling" and an open immigration policy would be an interesting way to start.
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Why does a united world require government?
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A united world still requires government for administration of resources, disaster response, and peacekeeping, among other factors.

Determining the focus of scientific research, managing food production and distribution on a global scale and other infrastructural projects would all require massive coordination on the part of some sort of administrative body.
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How do you plan to deal with "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely"?
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Why does a united world require government?
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A united world still requires government for administration of resources, disaster response, and peacekeeping, among other factors.

Determining the focus of scientific research, managing food production and distribution on a global scale and other infrastructural projects would all require massive coordination on the part of some sort of administrative body.
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How will you accept those who simply don't conform to the "norm" globalized society?
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Why does a united world require government?
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A united world still requires government for administration of resources, disaster response, and peacekeeping, among other factors.

Determining the focus of scientific research, managing food production and distribution on a global scale and other infrastructural projects would all require massive coordination on the part of some sort of administrative body.
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How do you plan to deal with "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely"?
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I am not sure. I fully acknowledge that the system will need to be designed to either prevent or correct such abuses. As much as that maxim has held true for most of human history, we can't allow it to remain true.

I fully believe that human ingenuity can come up with a way to keep abuses minimal.
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I quoted this before in another thread of mine. Here, it might help your cause;

To rule a state, have a known plan
To win a battle, have an unknown plan
To gain the universe, have no plan at all

Let the universe itself
reveal to you its splendor
How do I know this should be so?
Because of this-
The more restrictions, the more poverty
The more weapons, the more fear in the land
The more cleverness, the more strange events
The more laws, the more lawbreakers

Thus the Sages say,
Act with a pure heart and the people will be transformed
Love your own life and the people will be uplifted
Give without conditions and the people will prosper
Want nothing and the people will find everything

-Tao Te Ching

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Why does a united world require government?
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A united world still requires government for administration of resources, disaster response, and peacekeeping, among other factors.

Determining the focus of scientific research, managing food production and distribution on a global scale and other infrastructural projects would all require massive coordination on the part of some sort of administrative body.
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How will you accept those who simply don't conform to the "norm" globalized society?
 Quoting: Eternium


I think it's a fallacy to think that a global society would immediately eliminate all subcultures. One need only look at America and see how regional cultures differ from area to area, despite an overarching federal government.
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I quoted this before in another thread of mine. Here, it might help your cause;

To rule a state, have a known plan
To win a battle, have an unknown plan
To gain the universe, have no plan at all

Let the universe itself
reveal to you its splendor
How do I know this should be so?
Because of this-
The more restrictions, the more poverty
The more weapons, the more fear in the land
The more cleverness, the more strange events
The more laws, the more lawbreakers

Thus the Sages say,
Act with a pure heart and the people will be transformed
Love your own life and the people will be uplifted
Give without conditions and the people will prosper
Want nothing and the people will find everything

-Tao Te Ching
 Quoting: Eternium


It sounds to me like you're advocating anarchy. While I appreciate the freedom inherent in that principle, I can't see it moving humanity as a whole forward very much.
Eternium

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Re: I am for globalism. Ask me a question.
I quoted this before in another thread of mine. Here, it might help your cause;

To rule a state, have a known plan
To win a battle, have an unknown plan
To gain the universe, have no plan at all

Let the universe itself
reveal to you its splendor
How do I know this should be so?
Because of this-
The more restrictions, the more poverty
The more weapons, the more fear in the land
The more cleverness, the more strange events
The more laws, the more lawbreakers

Thus the Sages say,
Act with a pure heart and the people will be transformed
Love your own life and the people will be uplifted
Give without conditions and the people will prosper
Want nothing and the people will find everything

-Tao Te Ching
 Quoting: Eternium


It sounds to me like you're advocating anarchy. While I appreciate the freedom inherent in that principle, I can't see it moving humanity as a whole forward very much.
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Where exactly are we supposed to move forward to?

And no, I'd love to see the day of a global, self realized, human race.

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Re: I am for globalism. Ask me a question.
I quoted this before in another thread of mine. Here, it might help your cause;

To rule a state, have a known plan
To win a battle, have an unknown plan
To gain the universe, have no plan at all

Let the universe itself
reveal to you its splendor
How do I know this should be so?
Because of this-
The more restrictions, the more poverty
The more weapons, the more fear in the land
The more cleverness, the more strange events
The more laws, the more lawbreakers

Thus the Sages say,
Act with a pure heart and the people will be transformed
Love your own life and the people will be uplifted
Give without conditions and the people will prosper
Want nothing and the people will find everything

-Tao Te Ching
 Quoting: Eternium


It sounds to me like you're advocating anarchy. While I appreciate the freedom inherent in that principle, I can't see it moving humanity as a whole forward very much.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14090794


Where exactly are we supposed to move forward to?

And no, I'd love to see the day of a global, self realized, human race.
 Quoting: Eternium


The stars, ultimately. In the near-term, a society that provides first-world comfort utilizing renewable energy and smart resource management, reuse, and deployment.
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I guffaw at you "futurists" and your Utopian agenda.

Pathetic, unworkable, impractical and inane.


Yeah, I can really see this working...not.

Try a bit of retrospective analysis as well..MR Futurist.

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