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Eternium  User ID: 23779562  Canada11/08/2012 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I quoted this before in another thread of mine. Here, it might help your cause; Quoting: Eternium To rule a state, have a known plan To win a battle, have an unknown plan To gain the universe, have no plan at all Let the universe itself reveal to you its splendor How do I know this should be so? Because of this- The more restrictions, the more poverty The more weapons, the more fear in the land The more cleverness, the more strange events The more laws, the more lawbreakers Thus the Sages say, Act with a pure heart and the people will be transformed Love your own life and the people will be uplifted Give without conditions and the people will prosper Want nothing and the people will find everything -Tao Te Ching It sounds to me like you're advocating anarchy. While I appreciate the freedom inherent in that principle, I can't see it moving humanity as a whole forward very much. Where exactly are we supposed to move forward to? And no, I'd love to see the day of a global, self realized, human race. The stars, ultimately. In the near-term, a society that provides first-world comfort utilizing renewable energy and smart resource management, reuse, and deployment. It looks to me like the more we try to better our situation in the short term, the long term effect is rather grave. How can we progress with such a thirsty mindset. "We think too much and feel too little" Last Edited by Eternium on 11/08/2012 08:03 PM Tatvamasi. Empty and marvelous |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 14090794  United States11/08/2012 08:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14090794 It sounds to me like you're advocating anarchy. While I appreciate the freedom inherent in that principle, I can't see it moving humanity as a whole forward very much. Where exactly are we supposed to move forward to? And no, I'd love to see the day of a global, self realized, human race. The stars, ultimately. In the near-term, a society that provides first-world comfort utilizing renewable energy and smart resource management, reuse, and deployment. It looks to me like the more we try to better our situation in the short term, the long term effect is rather grave. How can we progress with such a thirsty mindset. "We think to much and feel to little" I would agree. Short-term comfort is being focused on rather than long-term planning. If the goal is a universal human diaspora, then we are wasting time and resources every day by not working together towards that end. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 14090794 United States11/08/2012 08:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Eternium User ID: 23779562 Canada11/08/2012 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| flaming sword User ID: 26297346  Australia11/08/2012 08:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 14090794 United States11/08/2012 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Still though, today, the world is exactly as it's supposed to be. I see perfect harmony. Maybe if we come to terms with that, we might "move forward". Quoting: Eternium Sorry, but I can't see constant war (because right now, somewhere on the planet, there is some armed group killing another armed group, guaranteed), starvation, homelessness, sickness, and despair as perfect harmony. There has to be a better way than what we're doing now. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 14090794 United States11/08/2012 08:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can I ask why? I'm only trying to engender a civil discussion on the topic right now. It's not like I've been rude to anyone or making any sort of cruel statements. Come on, F.S., if we can't debate the merits and pitfalls of something, how are we ever supposed to advance as a people? |
| Eternium User ID: 23779562 Canada11/08/2012 08:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Still though, today, the world is exactly as it's supposed to be. I see perfect harmony. Maybe if we come to terms with that, we might "move forward". Quoting: Eternium Sorry, but I can't see constant war (because right now, somewhere on the planet, there is some armed group killing another armed group, guaranteed), starvation, homelessness, sickness, and despair as perfect harmony. There has to be a better way than what we're doing now. It is what it is. Can't have white without black, can't have softness without hardness, and so we cannot have happiness without sadness. The more we try to better ourselves, that is our thirsty clinging mindset, the more we will destroy ourselves. It is the nature of the cosmos. Last Edited by Eternium on 11/08/2012 08:11 PM Tatvamasi. Empty and marvelous |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 14090794 United States11/08/2012 08:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Still though, today, the world is exactly as it's supposed to be. I see perfect harmony. Maybe if we come to terms with that, we might "move forward". Quoting: Eternium Sorry, but I can't see constant war (because right now, somewhere on the planet, there is some armed group killing another armed group, guaranteed), starvation, homelessness, sickness, and despair as perfect harmony. There has to be a better way than what we're doing now. It is what it is. Can't have white without black, can't have softness without hardness, and so we cannot have happiness without sadness. The more we try to better ourselves, that is our thirsty clinging mindset, the more we will destroy ourselves. It is the nature of the cosmos. I do agree that balance is important, but it is not necessary to have war simply to have peace. Most species on the planet understand this and don't destroy their own as we have a tendency to do. |
| flaming sword User ID: 26297346 Australia11/08/2012 08:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can I ask why? I'm only trying to engender a civil discussion on the topic right now. It's not like I've been rude to anyone or making any sort of cruel statements. Come on, F.S., if we can't debate the merits and pitfalls of something, how are we ever supposed to advance as a people? Oh, I guess, primarily, I cannot see it working from a logistical standpoint. To my mind, what the world needs is more freedoms, not less... All that seems to happen is that inept legislation is enacted to cover piss poor social policies. Education is what is required, plus a sense of meaning. I dunno..it just smacksof some cyborg nano future, on eto which I have been well exposed. If that is what is in front of us..who wants it? Not me. :) |
| Eternium User ID: 23779562 Canada11/08/2012 08:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Still though, today, the world is exactly as it's supposed to be. I see perfect harmony. Maybe if we come to terms with that, we might "move forward". Quoting: Eternium Sorry, but I can't see constant war (because right now, somewhere on the planet, there is some armed group killing another armed group, guaranteed), starvation, homelessness, sickness, and despair as perfect harmony. There has to be a better way than what we're doing now. It is what it is. Can't have white without black, can't have softness without hardness, and so we cannot have happiness without sadness. The more we try to better ourselves, that is our thirsty clinging mindset, the more we will destroy ourselves. It is the nature of the cosmos. I do agree that balance is important, but it is not necessary to have war simply to have peace. Most species on the planet understand this and don't destroy their own as we have a tendency to do. No we do not need to be killing each other, along with the other numerous atrocities and shenanigans. But if man cannot realize himself in this world, and is constantly avoiding inner reflection and always seeking to better himself, the move he will destroy himself. We as a planet are about to commit suicide simply because we do not know ourselves. Tatvamasi. Empty and marvelous |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6764376  Japan11/08/2012 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I actually think that a global government is the ideal state that the world must reach if humanity is ever to get off this rock and start colonizing the solar system and the cosmos. Quoting: A Futurist 14090794 "I have seen the StarSeed future of mankind and it is not on planet Earth!" - Mellen-Thomas Benedict. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 14090794 United States11/08/2012 08:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I actually think that a global government is the ideal state that the world must reach if humanity is ever to get off this rock and start colonizing the solar system and the cosmos. Quoting: A Futurist 14090794 "I have seen the StarSeed future of mankind and it is not on planet Earth!" - Mellen-Thomas Benedict. Right there with you, my friend. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6764376 Japan11/08/2012 09:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I actually think that a global government is the ideal state that the world must reach if humanity is ever to get off this rock and start colonizing the solar system and the cosmos. Quoting: A Futurist 14090794 "I have seen the StarSeed future of mankind and it is not on planet Earth!" - Mellen-Thomas Benedict. Right there with you, my friend. OP, can you think why global warming might actually be a good thing for humanity's future? |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 14090794 United States11/08/2012 09:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I actually think that a global government is the ideal state that the world must reach if humanity is ever to get off this rock and start colonizing the solar system and the cosmos. Quoting: A Futurist 14090794 "I have seen the StarSeed future of mankind and it is not on planet Earth!" - Mellen-Thomas Benedict. Right there with you, my friend. OP, can you think why global warming might actually be a good thing for humanity's future? Not particularly. Our largest cities, those best equipped to handle the growing population, mostly lay on coastal areas. These are also the centers of international trade, policy, and cultural exchange. That sea levels will rise is almost certain, and it's a damn shame. The only possible benefit I can see is that the loss of those cities might prompt some global powers to start construction of cities built on modern scientific principles, much as Europe was forced to after the end of the Second World War. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6764376 Japan11/08/2012 10:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, can you think why global warming might actually be a good thing for humanity's future? Quoting: Not particularly. Quoting: "The equable conditions of the Holocene, which has lasted 10,000 years so far, have enabled the flowering of agriculture, technology, mobility and resulting explosive population growth that has made the human species a global force." "But the planet is feeling a new influence, that of people. Humans may delay the dawn of the next ice age by a millennium or two, or even longer, many climate experts say, as Earth's long-buried stores of coal, oil and other carbon-rich fossil fuels are burned, releasing billions of tons of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping greenhouse gases." [link to www.nytimes.com] |
| Piscesian Misesian User ID: 26852943 United States11/08/2012 10:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If by "globalism" you mean decentralized, spontaneous, a priori emergence of a global, voluntary market sans-statism, then you're right. If you mean global statism, you're sorely mistaken and have no grasp of praxeological economics. Pursue Truth. This hard, tangible thing we call reality: the chair you sit upon, the computer, your beverage, cigarette, the air around you, is composed of 99.99999...% Space. Contrary to popular belief, energy-mass does not define the Space, but rather is defined -by- the Space. The all-permeating Space is a vibrating, infinitely dense medium of geometric discretion; a cube octahedral vector equillibrium. This is the One existence, and the only thing that exists, simultaneously. There is nothing else. We do not live in a "big bang" universe. We do not live in a "created" reality. Our reality is a perpetually -creating- model, and It is aware. Space is aware. I AM aware. "God", some call it. |
