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Rachel Maddow wow didn't know you had it in you

 
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You are defending a president that increased our national debt 43% from 2009-2011

"According to Congressional Budget Office (CBO) figures released Monday, the budget deficit for February hit a staggering $223 billion - meaning the Obama administration added more in debt last month than was borrowed in all of 2007."



Obama's 2012 Budget:

[link to www.heritage.org]


From 2009 to 2011:
•Total discretionary spending soared from $1.2 trillion to $1.4 trillion, an increase of over 16 percent.
•Total mandatory spending jumped from $2.1 trillion to $2.2 trillion, an increase of almost 4 percent.
•The national debt jumped from $6.6 trillion to $9.5 trillion, a whopping increase of 43 percent.

Over the same period, the nation shed 3.3 million jobs despite a series of unprecedented attempts to stimulate the economy with deficit spending, which contributed significantly to this unfortunate fiscal record. The President cannot be blamed for the financial crisis and Great Recession that ensued, but he certainly shares in the blame for the failure of his debt-exploding policies in response.
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Your link led me to a website with distortions of facts. It would have helped your case if you provided a reputable source that doesn't distort the data to fit into its false narrative. I defend no one. I simply stated that there is a difference between the deficit and the debt. The deficit has fallen, although still high. This is a fact of math. You literally cannot dispute this is a fact. You can dispute that it is too high still but not that it is lower than it was, which is better than if it was higher than it was. Very simple concept here, no need to be a mathemagician.

I know from your link you are trying to insinuate that it is the fault of the current president that the debt is growing as much as it is and if you look to my previous post you will see how this is also something said in order to distort facts into framing the president as the one that is the sole reason why the debt grows while completely disregarding all the contributions previous presidents have made towards increasing the debt ever since America accelerated its aggressive actions against other nations (i.e. wars). This goes back, way back. Pinning everything on the black man is very foolish and short-sighted.
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Nice try, but they get their numbers directly from the Treasury, that is their source. Look at the credentials of the economist who wrote it, and unless you have more knowledge than him I suggest you should pay attention to what he is saying.

This is part of his profile:
"Foster came to Heritage in 2007 after serving many years at the White House, the Executive Branch, Capitol Hill and private policy institutions. His last job before joining Heritage was at the White House's Office of Management and Budget, where he was Associate Director for Economic Policy. While there, Foster led the office's economic policy staff and advised three Directors on developments in the economy and potential changes in economic policy. He was also the chief adviser to the Director on matters of tax policy and led the OMB team in the Administration's "Troika" economic forecasting process. In addition, he played a leading role in the development and advancement of the Administration's pension and private health care policies."

As for responsibility, they do not blame him only
If you read the end of the quote I posted (bold):

Over the same period, the nation shed 3.3 million jobs despite a series of unprecedented attempts to stimulate the economy with deficit spending, which contributed significantly to this unfortunate fiscal record. The President cannot be blamed for the financial crisis and Great Recession that ensued, but he certainly shares in the blame for the failure of his debt-exploding policies in response.
As for race.... there is no need to bring it up- you are the first here of the 2 of us.

There are good graphs on this page too(info taken from the treasury):
[link to www.heritage.org]
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I really appreciate the civil dialogue. Thank you.
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Yes, of course. You too.

And just so you know, I am not a Republican or a Democrat. I consider myself more Libertarian.

I thought Bush was a horrible president. He literally made me cringe just looking at him... but really, I think we should question any president we have because our lives are basically in their hands.
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Wow! The rug-muncher sure as hell knows how to get you wingnuts up in arms: present FACTS.

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Your link led me to a website with distortions of facts. It would have helped your case if you provided a reputable source that doesn't distort the data to fit into its false narrative. I defend no one. I simply stated that there is a difference between the deficit and the debt. The deficit has fallen, although still high. This is a fact of math. You literally cannot dispute this is a fact. You can dispute that it is too high still but not that it is lower than it was, which is better than if it was higher than it was. Very simple concept here, no need to be a mathemagician.

I know from your link you are trying to insinuate that it is the fault of the current president that the debt is growing as much as it is and if you look to my previous post you will see how this is also something said in order to distort facts into framing the president as the one that is the sole reason why the debt grows while completely disregarding all the contributions previous presidents have made towards increasing the debt ever since America accelerated its aggressive actions against other nations (i.e. wars). This goes back, way back. Pinning everything on the black man is very foolish and short-sighted.
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Nice try, but they get their numbers directly from the Treasury, that is their source. Look at the credentials of the economist who wrote it, and unless you have more knowledge than him I suggest you should pay attention to what he is saying.

This is part of his profile:
"Foster came to Heritage in 2007 after serving many years at the White House, the Executive Branch, Capitol Hill and private policy institutions. His last job before joining Heritage was at the White House's Office of Management and Budget, where he was Associate Director for Economic Policy. While there, Foster led the office's economic policy staff and advised three Directors on developments in the economy and potential changes in economic policy. He was also the chief adviser to the Director on matters of tax policy and led the OMB team in the Administration's "Troika" economic forecasting process. In addition, he played a leading role in the development and advancement of the Administration's pension and private health care policies."

As for responsibility, they do not blame him only
If you read the end of the quote I posted (bold):

Over the same period, the nation shed 3.3 million jobs despite a series of unprecedented attempts to stimulate the economy with deficit spending, which contributed significantly to this unfortunate fiscal record. The President cannot be blamed for the financial crisis and Great Recession that ensued, but he certainly shares in the blame for the failure of his debt-exploding policies in response.
As for race.... there is no need to bring it up- you are the first here of the 2 of us.

There are good graphs on this page too(info taken from the treasury):
[link to www.heritage.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27133250

I really appreciate the civil dialogue. Thank you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15343696


Yes, of course. You too.

And just so you know, I am not a Republican or a Democrat. I consider myself more Libertarian.

I thought Bush was a horrible president. He literally made me cringe just looking at him... but really, I think we should question any president we have because our lives are basically in their hands.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27133250

Agreed. I am neither as well and according to the political compass on [link to politicalcompass.org] I'm well below the x axis. All men and women in positions of great power should be looked at with scrutiny since their decisions potentially affect not only our personal lives but humanity's as a whole as all systems within the framework of our Reality as we experience it on this planet are connected to each other.
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The Republicans got shellacked?

LOL

Squeaking out a hair over 50% of the vote for Pres. and retaining a minority in the House is not what I'd call a shellacking.
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"The deficit is dropping actually."

Up is down, and down is up.

2 + 2 = 5

Absolute evil.
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new speak
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11/09/2012 01:18 PM
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The CBO has stated that the deficits are falling so that is a verifiable fact.

You fucking IDIOT.
pick
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www.usdebtclock.com
Yes, it looks great!

name calling will resolve the issue though.
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The debt and the deficit are two different things silly goose. You need to educate yourself on these basic elements before making such a bold comment or else you will be looked at and disregarded by those who actually do understand the difference between the deficit (which has fallen) and the debt (which has risen).
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Deficits create the debt, the debt has increased every single year that Obama has been in office, he can't even create a budget for the year. The fact that the deficits have gone from 1.3 trillion per year to 1.2 trillion is pathetic, and still adding to the national debt. The larger the debt, the larger the interest paid on the debt, and the larger the deficits become.

We are headed to a fiscal cliff.

16 trillion dollar debt
Another 6 trillion owed by Fannie and Freddie the largest holders of private housing in the United States.
anywhere between 80 to 230 trillion more dollars in unfunded liabilities.

So you pick out one number that says things are getting less worse!

Hurray! WOW!!!! WONDERFUL!!! , I guess we can all stop worrying now, thanks.
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well said. We are always arguing about how the deck chairs on the Titanic should be arranged. And that only if you believe both sides are of good will.
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11/09/2012 01:39 PM
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Re: Rachel Maddow wow didn't know you had it in you
The one big fat glaring truth she conveniantly ignores?

THAT HISTORY SHOWS WHAT SOCIALISM DOES TO EVERY CULTURE THAT PRACTICES IT, BE IT A GREAT TEUTONIC ONE WITH
ENGINEERS ON EVERY CORNER OR A BANANA REPUBLIC.

Write that on the lid of the box which houses your dildo collection beeyatch.
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11/09/2012 02:09 PM
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Maddow is a fucking joke.
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Second that.
But I have bad news, mainly that more think like this
left wing bitch than most.
And its dumbass idiots like this that always lead to worse,
and the worse will destroy the nation.
Happened before, will happen again.
Sad thing is these left wing looters never
learn.
Socialist Europe going bankrupt, Russia collapsing,
China throwing in the towel on communisism/
But thats "different", it'll work here, we're special.
starts out, in a rich country you get the maddows,
then as things get worse sacriffice is being called for more and more.
Finally the wreakage of leftist thought and blaming the
people your leftist policies victimized, and how
its all your fault, never the fault of the leftist looters
who raped the country and caused the mess.
Maddow is the errand girl for the George Sorros of the world, thats all she is.
Hope she lives to see what see and fellow leftists are
creating.
the first thing the collectivists do when they take over
is kill the collaborators, because if you betray your countrymen, you can't be trusted.
And there won't be a need for the grinning gloating Maddow
in the NWO.

She had better hope our side wins
You can ignore the consequences of
your actions, but you cannot ignore
the RESULTS of the consequences of your actions

Ayn Rand
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The one big fat glaring truth she conveniantly ignores?

THAT HISTORY SHOWS WHAT SOCIALISM DOES TO EVERY CULTURE THAT PRACTICES IT, BE IT A GREAT TEUTONIC ONE WITH
ENGINEERS ON EVERY CORNER OR A BANANA REPUBLIC.

Write that on the lid of the box which houses your dildo collection beeyatch.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5913880


Lol... she belongs to the Sisterhood Of The Cackling Cunts. Yeah, that's what I call them.
"Life is hard. It's harder if you're stupid." - John Wayne

I miss John Wayne's America. He must be rolling over in his grave.

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