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| andreidita (OP) User ID: 4637432 11/08/2012 09:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites. Exodus 19:6 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975 a god that is love is not a god who needs to ask for obedience and speak in possessive stance. you have to decide between these to stances. if you stick with the second you will use the first. there is no other way |
| andreidita (OP) User ID: 4637432 11/08/2012 09:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No thoughts, no language is able to describe G-d. Any attempts to do so, end in charges of blasphemy or heresy. Quoting: Esq 20093181 The human feeling of joy best approximates any understanding of G-d. true. but you exaggerate with the part with blasphemy. it is a part of being human to try to understand the nature of god. freedom of thought is a fundamental divine right of being human. the problem arises only when one tries to impose his truth upon such matter on others, and even upon his own heart. By this it becomes blasphemy, because as you say the feeling of joy is the best approximation, and by believing in the absolute truth of a particular image of one's or others' mind, the God that is Love is denied |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26268975 11/08/2012 09:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites. Exodus 19:6 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975 a god that is love is not a god who needs to ask for obedience and speak in possessive stance. you have to decide between these to stances. if you stick with the second you will use the first. there is no other way God of love was Aphrodite. lol The true God is much more earnest. |
| Esq User ID: 20093181 11/08/2012 09:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No thoughts, no language is able to describe G-d. Any attempts to do so, end in charges of blasphemy or heresy. Quoting: Esq 20093181 The human feeling of joy best approximates any understanding of G-d. true. but you exaggerate with the part with blasphemy. it is a part of being human to try to understand the nature of god. freedom of thought is a fundamental divine right of being human. the problem arises only when one tries to impose his truth upon such matter on others, and even upon his own heart. By this it becomes blasphemy, because as you say the feeling of joy is the best approximation, and by believing in the absolute truth of a particular image of one's or others' mind, the God that is Love is denied oh really? The human emotion of love is tainted. Joy is the only human emotion that is pure. As such, joy is the only acceptable offering to G-d. Joy is what G-d wishes for us. It is a through this pure feeling of joy/ecstasy that we reach communion with G-d. |
| andreidita (OP) User ID: 4637432 11/08/2012 09:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.' These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites. Exodus 19:6 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975 a god that is love is not a god who needs to ask for obedience and speak in possessive stance. you have to decide between these to stances. if you stick with the second you will use the first. there is no other way God of love was Aphrodite. lol The true God is much more earnest. john 4:8 'The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love' asking for obeyance is not one of the 'much more earnest' qualities of god that you speak of. |
| andreidita (OP) User ID: 4637432 11/08/2012 09:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | oh really? The human emotion of love is tainted. Joy is the only human emotion that is pure. As such, joy is the only acceptable offering to G-d. Joy is what G-d wishes for us. Quoting: Esq 20093181 It is a through this pure feeling of joy/ecstasy that we reach communion with G-d. so i agree with you in the essence, but make a little comment, and you get the impression that we disagree :) what you point to by the use of the term 'joy', others point by using the term love - khalil gibran as an example. i agree that the human emotion to which humans generally ascribe the term of 'love' is tainted by not so spiritual aspirations. but why don't you try to understand what the other tries to convey through words, and you pick upon general usages of word, especially when it is clearly not the case that i used 'love' in that way, and also i already agreed that what you point through 'joy' is the same thing i speak about? :) Last Edited by andreidita on 11/08/2012 09:35 PM |
| Esq User ID: 20093181 11/08/2012 09:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My point is there are things that defy human explanations and when one attempts to define them with language, what results is miscommunication and misinterpretation. What most people are readily able to accept are feelings that are invoked. Love is universally understood, but connotation can be drawn that imply human love is equal to G-d's Love. Not so. Where we can find true connection with G-d is in Joy. Our joy can find connection with G-d. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22787868 11/08/2012 10:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus Christ was,is and will always be God. And op you know that. That's why the one who you made the bargain with wants you to say so many things about him except the fact that he's God. But newsflash. Lucifer is a liar and does not keep his promises. Just ask pope john paul 11 He's now kicking himself. It doesn't matter how many souls you bring to him. You will be joining those souls too. |
| andreidita (OP) User ID: 4637432 11/08/2012 10:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i understood your point, but precisely the fact that i get it, shows that what generally happens, does not necessarily happens in particular cases. and for a creative communication is needed to get over such general facts and to target the real person you entertain in discussion. that was my point. now what is interesting is how could you show to some other human in practice the truth about joy. as a child it is easy to be in joy. you receive some toy or candies. but as one grows older you know that many find it hard to experience joy anymore. because they make the error to identify joy with what produced joy in the past, and they get stuck. if they do not strive to extend the feeling of joy towards all existence, they will cease to feel joy. and then they slowly become more and more alienated and sad in their hearts |
| andreidita (OP) User ID: 4637432 11/08/2012 10:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus Christ was,is and will always be God. And op you know that. That's why the one who you made the bargain with wants you to say so many things about him except the fact that he's God. But newsflash. Lucifer is a liar and does not keep his promises. Just ask pope john paul 11 He's now kicking himself. It doesn't matter how many souls you bring to him. You will be joining those souls too. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22787868 you are quick to judge. and you very well know what voice inside you makes you speak like that. and it is not the spirit of god/christ i did not say jesus christ was not god. as a matter of fact i already accepted to bear His cross, by renouncing my earthly life instead of renouncing Him, which is Pure Love. |
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| aka User ID: 20093181 11/08/2012 11:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i understood your point, but precisely the fact that i get it, shows that what generally happens, does not necessarily happens in particular cases. Quoting: andreidita and for a creative communication is needed to get over such general facts and to target the real person you entertain in discussion. that was my point. now what is interesting is how could you show to some other human in practice the truth about joy. as a child it is easy to be in joy. you receive some toy or candies. but as one grows older you know that many find it hard to experience joy anymore. because they make the error to identify joy with what produced joy in the past, and they get stuck. if they do not strive to extend the feeling of joy towards all existence, they will cease to feel joy. and then they slowly become more and more alienated and sad in their hearts Your analogy that joy can be derived from material goods again demonstrates my point about subscribing a human condition to an emotional state that is easily misidentified. A childs excitement at being pleased is not joy or the fullfillment of an adult's expectation is not joy in the sense of overall well being.It is not the contentment or happiness that all is right with all aspects of oneself. The original meaning of peace was a connection to G-d. Joy as you defined it is a feeling that is derived from a corporeal existence. It is a definition that fails to include a spiritual component. Joy in a spiritual sense is a state of well being that transcends this life. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1610534 11/08/2012 11:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Blah, blah, blah. Just love one another as you would love yourself. That's all. It's simple. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19490298 would that include jeffrey dahmer's brand of lovin? how about coach paterno's brand of lovin? love is love, judge not, yes? Those are not examples of love. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. - Corinthians 13:4-8 As well, "judging not" means not condemning, means not denying love in the heart towards someone's soul. It doesn't mean acting like a fool and allowing that same person to do harm. But it's difficult. For example, it's really easy for me to indulge in condemning you, for your insidious and evil attack on love, for your seeking to harm the very souls of those who read your filth, for accepting that we live in a world where absolute shit like you are allowed to be free from cages. But I practice peace, I practice love, I seek to educate even filth like you, and someday I will achieve the ability to see scumbags such as yourself without also perceiving the overwhelming filth of the charred, crusted cavity crawling with worms that used to hold your heart. But it's a struggle. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7254491 11/08/2012 11:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Blah, blah, blah. Just love one another as you would love yourself. That's all. It's simple. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19490298 would that include jeffrey dahmer's brand of lovin? how about coach paterno's brand of lovin? love is love, judge not, yes? Those are not examples of love. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. - Corinthians 13:4-8 As well, "judging not" means not condemning, means not denying love in the heart towards someone's soul. It doesn't mean acting like a fool and allowing that same person to do harm. But it's difficult. For example, it's really easy for me to indulge in condemning you, for your insidious and evil attack on love, for your seeking to harm the very souls of those who read your filth, for accepting that we live in a world where absolute shit like you are allowed to be free from cages. But I practice peace, I practice love, I seek to educate even filth like you, and someday I will achieve the ability to see scumbags such as yourself without also perceiving the overwhelming filth of the charred, crusted cavity crawling with worms that used to hold your heart. But it's a struggle. how about consensual love between a 40 year old male and 6 year old boy? would that be okay in your universe, god? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1610534 11/08/2012 11:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Blah, blah, blah. Just love one another as you would love yourself. That's all. It's simple. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19490298 would that include jeffrey dahmer's brand of lovin? how about coach paterno's brand of lovin? love is love, judge not, yes? Those are not examples of love. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. - Corinthians 13:4-8 As well, "judging not" means not condemning, means not denying love in the heart towards someone's soul. It doesn't mean acting like a fool and allowing that same person to do harm. But it's difficult. For example, it's really easy for me to indulge in condemning you, for your insidious and evil attack on love, for your seeking to harm the very souls of those who read your filth, for accepting that we live in a world where absolute shit like you are allowed to be free from cages. But I practice peace, I practice love, I seek to educate even filth like you, and someday I will achieve the ability to see scumbags such as yourself without also perceiving the overwhelming filth of the charred, crusted cavity crawling with worms that used to hold your heart. But it's a struggle. how about consensual love between a 40 year old male and 6 year old boy? would that be okay in your universe, god? What part of "those are NOT examples of love" did not understand the first time around, jackass? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7254491 11/08/2012 11:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491 would that include jeffrey dahmer's brand of lovin? how about coach paterno's brand of lovin? love is love, judge not, yes? Those are not examples of love. Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. - Corinthians 13:4-8 As well, "judging not" means not condemning, means not denying love in the heart towards someone's soul. It doesn't mean acting like a fool and allowing that same person to do harm. But it's difficult. For example, it's really easy for me to indulge in condemning you, for your insidious and evil attack on love, for your seeking to harm the very souls of those who read your filth, for accepting that we live in a world where absolute shit like you are allowed to be free from cages. But I practice peace, I practice love, I seek to educate even filth like you, and someday I will achieve the ability to see scumbags such as yourself without also perceiving the overwhelming filth of the charred, crusted cavity crawling with worms that used to hold your heart. But it's a struggle. how about consensual love between a 40 year old male and 6 year old boy? would that be okay in your universe, god? What part of "those are NOT examples of love" did not understand the first time around, jackass? nowhere in Cor. 13:4-8 is consensual love between a 40 year old male and 6 year old boy either implicitly or expressly prohibited on what basis do you proclaim such not to be an 'example of love'? |
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| ANHEDONIC Uncensored User ID: 26795689 11/09/2012 12:11 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The main problem is that humans are subconsciously projecting their own individualized tendencies/characteristics/qualities into their conceptualization or understanding of 'God', and thus, believe that this higher power/force will be just like them (humans). That is why some will have no qualms accepting a 'God' that punishes and destroys and casts souls away to an eternity of suffering in 'hell' simply for not believing in 'him' - it is a reflection of their own state of consciousness. If you are vengeful, hateful, judgmental, unforgiving - you will manifest a conceptualization of 'God' that is the same exact way. I don't even like using the word 'God' and that it why I put it in parentheses. That word has been tainted in my opinion, and don't even get me started on the He/Him/His gender fixation business. : ) Last Edited by ANHEDONIC on 11/09/2012 12:17 AM "Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it." |
| andreidita (OP) User ID: 4637432 11/09/2012 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your analogy that joy can be derived from material goods again demonstrates my point about subscribing a human condition to an emotional state that is easily misidentified. A childs excitement at being pleased is not joy or the fullfillment of an adult's expectation is not joy in the sense of overall well being.It is not the contentment or happiness that all is right with all aspects of oneself. The original meaning of peace was a connection to G-d. Joy as you defined it is a feeling that is derived from a corporeal existence. It is a definition that fails to include a spiritual component. Joy in a spiritual sense is a state of well being that transcends this life. Quoting: aka 20093181 my friend you really are funny :) that state of well being that transcends life can be referred to many terms, joy, love, bliss etc. the same terms can be used in more material understandings. which applies as well for 'love' or for 'joy' that was the point of the analogy |
| andreidita (OP) User ID: 4637432 11/09/2012 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The main problem is that humans are subconsciously projecting their own individualized tendencies/characteristics/qualities into their conceptualization or understanding of 'God', and thus, believe that this higher power/force will be just like them (humans). That is why some will have no qualms accepting a 'God' that punishes and destroys and casts souls away to an eternity of suffering in 'hell' simply for not believing in 'him' - it is a reflection of their own state of consciousness. If you are vengeful, hateful, judgmental, unforgiving - you will manifest a conceptualization of 'God' that is the same exact way. Quoting: ANHEDONIC I don't even like using the word 'God' and that it why I put it in parentheses. That word has been tainted in my opinion, and don't even get me started on the He/Him/His gender fixation business. : ) i know. i used the word because tainted as it may be, people still use it and some of them might understand this kind of things you say, for example. we live in a time in which the labyrinth of words leads many astray from the simple and basic values of understanding other, tolerance, love etc. the power of the words is great. an when words are tainted with darkness... |
| T Ceti H.C. Radnarg User ID: 27089841 11/09/2012 12:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ...nothing new under the sun...same forgetful co-creator spirits in the flesh still allowing the concepts our shared spirit created to lead their flesh, instead of their flesh allowing their spirit to lead the flesh and concepts...nothing new under the sun...we are 50/50 flesh and spirit ,therefore the scriptures of all religious text are 50 percent corrupted...when we re-translate them 100 percent from first person spirit view then we have the truth instead of half truths and half lies...only copy machines scan the surface of text and cant re-translate them correctly...if your flesh follows the concepts instead of the spirit,you are no different from a machine whom has no spirit...and to think i was once a robot too until i/we as spirit within caused its flesh to clean its brain and body out so the spirit can shine through and guide its flesh...keep spitting out those copies of 50/50 scriptures, copy machines,maybe one day you too may become human instead of a robot whom runs on a corrupted program and doesn't even realize it because it has forgotten its spirit within.. How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries... |
| T Ceti H.C. Radnarg User ID: 27089841 11/09/2012 12:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. (1 Tim. 2:5-6) How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries... |
| omar User ID: 26136665 11/09/2012 12:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 'fraid not Aether The god of the upper air and light Ananke The goddess of inevitability, compulsion, and necessity. Erebos or Erebus The god of darkness and shadow. Gaia or Gaea or Ge Personification of the Earth (Mother Earth); mother of the Titans. Hemera Goddess of daylight. Chaos The nothingness from which all else sprang. Chronos The god of time. Not to be confused with the Titan Cronus, the father of Zeus. The Nesoi The goddesses of the islands. Nyx or Night The goddess of night. Uranus The god of the heavens (Father Sky); father of the Titans. The Ourea The gods of mountains. Phanes The god of procreation in the Orphic tradition. Pontus The god of the sea, father of the fish and other sea creatures. Tartarus The darkest, deepest part of the underworld. Thalassa Spirit of the sea and consort of Pontos. :spyda: |
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