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If the law says we can't kill each other, why is abortion different?

 
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I think abortion is terrible in all but the most specific of circumstances (Rape, incest, etc) -- but I think we have much more critical issues to worry about than this.

While it's sad that a life was terminated\prevented - we have living, breathing people on this planet right now suffering.

These 'small' (relatively) issues like abortion should be immediately relinquished from federal control and put directly into the hands of each state and be done with it.


I'm for giving our federal government as LITTLE power as possible, even if it's something I agree with. The federal government has no business in any social issue.

Abortion, Drugs, FDA, Gay marriage, etc all of those regulations should be worked in and between states without ANY federal oversight.

That's the whole point of the "United States" -- that's what we were founded upon...little by little we become one giant state because of all these little issues.

They can't even get their original purpose right, which was basic federal services and protection, let alone managing moral issues too.
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Re: If the law says we can't kill each other, why is abortion different?
I think abortion is terrible in all but the most specific of circumstances (Rape, incest, etc) -- but I think we have much more critical issues to worry about than this.

While it's sad that a life was terminated\prevented - we have living, breathing people on this planet right now suffering.

These 'small' (relatively) issues like abortion should be immediately relinquished from federal control and put directly into the hands of each state and be done with it.


I'm for giving our federal government as LITTLE power as possible, even if it's something I agree with. The federal government has no business in any social issue.

Abortion, Drugs, FDA, Gay marriage, etc all of those regulations should be worked in and between states without ANY federal oversight.

That's the whole point of the "United States" -- that's what we were founded upon...little by little we become one giant state because of all these little issues.

They can't even get their original purpose right, which was basic federal services and protection, let alone managing moral issues too.
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Agreed. States' rights. That ship sailed a long timed ago.
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This is important though. I like to challenge these fuckers every now and again to see if I can get them to think critically. Maybe it'll save a life, maybe a mom's too.

Besides, if as a society we have no respect for life, nothing else matters. It Mad Max.
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This is exactly why I support Fair Choice.
Flip a coin and let fate decide
Heads the baby lives
Tails the host lives
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This is important though. I like to challenge these fuckers every now and again to see if I can get them to think critically. Maybe it'll save a life, maybe a mom's too.

Besides, if as a society we have no respect for life, nothing else matters. It Mad Max.
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That's exactly right. The whole idea of abortion has now shifted to where if you disagree with abortion, YOU are the bad guy.

It's all part of desensitizing the society and making us more and more like animals.


But, again that's such a 'personal' issue, just like the death penalty, and illegal drugs.

For example, even as a conservative, I don't agree with the death penalty. To me, all that does is recycle violence.

The death penalty doesn't work UNLESS we broadcast the fact we killed someone for a crime every week. If we stopped broadcasting "Hey, we killed this person..." it would be completely useless.

But, even in most cases, it's only useful for the few, as most people who can commit a crime worthy of death, lack the reasoning skills or conscious to even care anyway.

So the whole idea of broadcast "Hey, we killed this person..." on the local news all the time..is just more recycled violence injected into fresh minds.


All these things cause bickering between households. It's a perma-unrest - peace comes through freedom of choice. Giving people responsibility for their own lives and choices. If the choice is there, the people usually make the right ones...Rebellion is a PRODUCT of oppression...
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This is exactly why I support Fair Choice.
Flip a coin and let fate decide
Heads the baby lives
Tails the host lives
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different laws for different things
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See, IMO, life begins once you breath air on your own, so I don't consider abortion murder. But I do not believe in abortion after the first tri mester. I think abortion should be limited to rape, incest and to save he life of the mother. Not because its bad timing, you don't like the guy, already have too many kids or whatever. And it certainly should have no place in an election. It should be between a woman and her doctor. She is the one who has to live with her decision. Not us.
 Quoting: AmericanInfidel


Yeah, that's great.
Spoken like a sheep. Talking points.

You apparently don't get it either.

Let's say you're right and life begins at first breath....

... If I get an abortion at any point, will that baby take it's first breath?

It is yes or no
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1385276


Ah, so my opinion is wrong and yours is right. Very mature. No, if you get an abortion at any point, the fetus won't breath.
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Re: If the law says we can't kill each other, why is abortion different?
Is masturbation also killing life? If a woman miscarriages, should she be charged with murder because be body rejected the pregnancy?
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I'll assume you're smarter than you're letting on here. Sperm by itself won't lead to a baby. Miscarriages are not pre-meditated by the mother. Abortion is.
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Re: If the law says we can't kill each other, why is abortion different?
Theres a huge difference you IDIOTS. Fetuses dont cry. They are fucking blobs ffs.

Why does this always come up?
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My dad doesn't cry either-- is he not human. Those "blobs" become highly-developed humans if nature takes its course. A newborn is vastly different than a full-grown person. Differences due to developmental stage is normal! Why are you discriminating against the early stage of human life. Without this stage there is no later stage. We should protect it at all costs. That's why this always comes up. Stop divorcing logic to justify the taking of human life.
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Is masturbation also killing life? If a woman miscarriages, should she be charged with murder because be body rejected the pregnancy?
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Apples and oranges. Stupid actually
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It may be stupid but who is to say what is life and what isn't? Are you really alive at the moment of conception? That's stupid.
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I'm not comfortable having everyone having their own standard of what is human life. In doing this, we can never fault someone who killed another based on their individual view of life and non-life. Yes, we are alive at the moment of conception. That's when the full genetic material is present to set that person's life into motion.
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Hmmm?
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What we need is more people! No more wars, murder or abortion.
Come on folks...let's over populate!!!
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I think abortion is terrible in all but the most specific of circumstances (Rape, incest, etc) -- but I think we have much more critical issues to worry about than this.

While it's sad that a life was terminated\prevented - we have living, breathing people on this planet right now suffering.

These 'small' (relatively) issues like abortion should be immediately relinquished from federal control and put directly into the hands of each state and be done with it.


I'm for giving our federal government as LITTLE power as possible, even if it's something I agree with. The federal government has no business in any social issue.

Abortion, Drugs, FDA, Gay marriage, etc all of those regulations should be worked in and between states without ANY federal oversight.

That's the whole point of the "United States" -- that's what we were founded upon...little by little we become one giant state because of all these little issues.

They can't even get their original purpose right, which was basic federal services and protection, let alone managing moral issues too.
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You say that "abortion is terrible", but that we have more important things to think about. I assume you think abortion is terrible because it is the taking of innocent human life. What is more important that stopping the murder of millions of innocent human beings every year? This sounds like a "small" issue to you? And rape is not a reason to murder. We don't kill someone for the sins of their father. That is way above our pay grade. We don't kill someone because their mother might be depressed for 9 months.
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Humans are expendable. More so now than ever. We're not 'special' so get over it meatbags :-)
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Hmmm?
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What we need is more people! No more wars, murder or abortion.
Come on folks...let's over populate!!!
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We don't kill people on the grounds of "overpopulation". If S. Africa is so overpopulated that you must start killing people, move to someone else in Africa, where there is more than enough space.
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Humans are expendable. More so now than ever. We're not 'special' so get over it meatbags :-)
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We are made by God, in His image. We are the crown of Creation. By your philosophy, you can't fault someone who kills your expendable mother or daughter. The murderer is just furthering your cause.
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Humans are expendable. More so now than ever. We're not 'special' so get over it meatbags :-)
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We are made by God, in His image. We are the crown of Creation. By your philosophy, you can't fault someone who kills your expendable mother or daughter. The murderer is just furthering your cause.
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If we lived as we were meant to and were able to defend ourselves, then that would be fine.
That's how humans did it for thousands of years.
Now, if you defend yourself against brutality today you're the criminal.
Judeo christian law is a farce and it makes a mockery of nature.
And we don't all believe the 'made by god in his image spiel' :-)
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Is masturbation also killing life? If a woman miscarriages, should she be charged with murder because be body rejected the pregnancy?
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I'll assume you're smarter than you're letting on here. Sperm by itself won't lead to a baby. Miscarriages are not pre-meditated by the mother. Abortion is.
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Of course, I'm just fucking with people.
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I'll add abortion threads to thread topics I never open again. Don't worry about what others do. It is none of your business. The bible may say thou shall not kill. But it doesn't say what thou shall not kill. So stop using the to justify your anti abortion views. Now, if you think it's morally wrong and you believe that a microscopic mass of cells 2 days after conception is just as much a life as a 33 year old mother of 2, that's your opinion. Not wrong, not right, just your opinion. That's where you lose me.
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They should make the mothers wear the dead fetus on a necklace for three days after it is cut from the womb. I'm not anti abortion or anything. I just think it would make the sluts and prostitutes who haven't heard of birth control think twice before the next drunken gang bang.
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They should make the mothers wear the dead fetus on a necklace for three days after it is cut from the womb. I'm not anti abortion or anything. I just think it would make the sluts and prostitutes who haven't heard of birth control think twice before the next drunken gang bang.
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What if a 13 year old girl is raped by her step father? Should she have to wear the necklace too?
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They should make the mothers wear the dead fetus on a necklace for three days after it is cut from the womb. I'm not anti abortion or anything. I just think it would make the sluts and prostitutes who haven't heard of birth control think twice before the next drunken gang bang.
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What if a 13 year old girl is raped by her step father? Should she have to wear the necklace too?
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Considering this is a statistical non issue she should be exempt. Most 13 years olds who have sex don't get pregnant.
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Is masturbation also killing life? If a woman miscarriages, should she be charged with murder because be body rejected the pregnancy?
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I'll assume you're smarter than you're letting on here. Sperm by itself won't lead to a baby. Miscarriages are not pre-meditated by the mother. Abortion is.
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Thanks. This.
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Hmmm?
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What we need is more people! No more wars, murder or abortion.
Come on folks...let's over populate!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27374397


At least you're honest. Apparently you'd be a good candidate to run the ovens. You have a disdain for your fellow humans. Those useless eaters.
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Re: If the law says we can't kill each other, why is abortion different?
See, IMO, life begins once you breath air on your own, so I don't consider abortion murder. But I do not believe in abortion after the first tri mester. I think abortion should be limited to rape, incest and to save he life of the mother. Not because its bad timing, you don't like the guy, already have too many kids or whatever. And it certainly should have no place in an election. It should be between a woman and her doctor. She is the one who has to live with her decision. Not us.
 Quoting: AmericanInfidel


Yeah, that's great.
Spoken like a sheep. Talking points.

You apparently don't get it either.

Let's say you're right and life begins at first breath....

... If I get an abortion at any point, will that baby take it's first breath?

It is yes or no
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1385276


Ah, so my opinion is wrong and yours is right. Very mature. No, if you get an abortion at any point, the fetus won't breath.
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It's hard for you to handle that logic eh?
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Humans are expendable. More so now than ever. We're not 'special' so get over it meatbags :-)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27374397


We are made by God, in His image. We are the crown of Creation. By your philosophy, you can't fault someone who kills your expendable mother or daughter. The murderer is just furthering your cause.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 85989


If we lived as we were meant to and were able to defend ourselves, then that would be fine.
That's how humans did it for thousands of years.
Now, if you defend yourself against brutality today you're the criminal.
Judeo christian law is a farce and it makes a mockery of nature.
And we don't all believe the 'made by god in his image spiel' :-)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27374397


So what governs your actions? You have no moral objection to me killing your mom, so I'm curious as to what guides your moral decisions?
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See, IMO, life begins once you breath air on your own, so I don't consider abortion murder. But I do not believe in abortion after the first tri mester. I think abortion should be limited to rape, incest and to save he life of the mother. Not because its bad timing, you don't like the guy, already have too many kids or whatever. And it certainly should have no place in an election. It should be between a woman and her doctor. She is the one who has to live with her decision. Not us.
 Quoting: AmericanInfidel


Yeah, that's great.
Spoken like a sheep. Talking points.

You apparently don't get it either.

Let's say you're right and life begins at first breath....

... If I get an abortion at any point, will that baby take it's first breath?

It is yes or no
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1385276


Ah, so my opinion is wrong and yours is right. Very mature. No, if you get an abortion at any point, the fetus won't breath.
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It's hard for you to handle that logic eh?
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Nope. The only thing that's had for me to understand is how you think that your opinion is fact.
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They should make the mothers wear the dead fetus on a necklace for three days after it is cut from the womb. I'm not anti abortion or anything. I just think it would make the sluts and prostitutes who haven't heard of birth control think twice before the next drunken gang bang.
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What if a 13 year old girl is raped by her step father? Should she have to wear the necklace too?
 Quoting: AmericanInfidel


Considering this is a statistical non issue she should be exempt. Most 13 years olds who have sex don't get pregnant.
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Are you serious? If a girl can have her period, she can get pregnant. Are you really trying to say that 13 year olds aren't statistically rape victims?
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Re: If the law says we can't kill each other, why is abortion different?
I'll add abortion threads to thread topics I never open again. Don't worry about what others do. It is none of your business. The bible may say thou shall not kill. But it doesn't say what thou shall not kill. So stop using the to justify your anti abortion views. Now, if you think it's morally wrong and you believe that a microscopic mass of cells 2 days after conception is just as much a life as a 33 year old mother of 2, that's your opinion. Not wrong, not right, just your opinion. That's where you lose me.
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Don't you understand that that microscopic mass of cells is destined to become a 33 year old, if we manage to keep the abortion "doctor's" needles and vaccuum away from it? This is discrimination against one particular stage of human development. No different than me discriminating against all pre-teens for being in their stage of development. It is a pretty standard value-- not just in the Bible-- that killing an innocent human is wrong. You will say the embryo is not a human being. I will then ask you why you think this is true. You will have no solid answer. So, we need to be very careful if we aren't sure when one becomes a human-- we need to error on the side of not killing.
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Is masturbation also killing life? If a woman miscarriages, should she be charged with murder because be body rejected the pregnancy?
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I'll assume you're smarter than you're letting on here. Sperm by itself won't lead to a baby. Miscarriages are not pre-meditated by the mother. Abortion is.
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Of course, I'm just fucking with people.
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If you don't know when life begins, its better to err on the side of the baby.

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