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Nomura: U.S. Treasurys could be following this terrible path

 
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Perhaps those sage English philosophers 'The Vapors" were on to something 32 years ago when they asked if we were "Turning Japanese," for it seems the following charts from Nomura certainly suggest the U.S. bond market is heading in that direction.

From demographics to monetary policy; from investor allocations to flows; and from bond bubbles and volatility to long-term interest-rate paths, it seems we share a lot more than a love for sushi and pachinko with our neighbours across the ocean as we seem to be chasing after many Japanese models (of asset allocation and macro-economics).

Via Nomura:

Demographics

In the three years since the Great Recession ended, real GDP has grown at a lackluster 2.2% pace. Demographics play some role among structural factors holding back the recovery. The U.S. and Japan are both dealing with...

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Stagflation...
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In the three years since the Great Recession ended, real GDP has grown at a lackluster 2.2% pace. Demographics play some role among structural factors holding back the recovery.
""
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Every time you hear, or read the word "GROWTH" you need to insert the word "PONZI", or "PYRAMID" SCAM.

The reason the criminal use of GROWTH is always presented as a key to economics is classic Ponzi terminology.

You Have to keep adding NEW SUCKERS in at the bottom of the pyramid to keep the scam alive.

When "GROWTH" at the bottom fails the Ponzi scheme collapses.

Psychopaths have seen the handwriting on the wall and in the midst of a Frenzy of Theft.

The Psychopaths will keep the illusion alive for only a short period of time now with fraudulent statistic reporting.

Sustainable, goal oriented, economics is the only system that will out-live the Psychopath oriented delusion.

Ask yourself this...What, if anything, exists that has perpetual "GROWTH"?

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""
In the three years since the Great Recession ended, real GDP has grown at a lackluster 2.2% pace. Demographics play some role among structural factors holding back the recovery.
""
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Every time you hear, or read the word "GROWTH" you need to insert the word "PONZI", or "PYRAMID" SCAM.

The reason the criminal use of GROWTH is always presented as a key to economics is classic Ponzi terminology.

You Have to keep adding NEW SUCKERS in at the bottom of the pyramid to keep the scam alive.

When "GROWTH" at the bottom fails the Ponzi scheme collapses.

Psychopaths have seen the handwriting on the wall and in the midst of a Frenzy of Theft.

The Psychopaths will keep the illusion alive for only a short period of time now with fraudulent statistic reporting.

Sustainable, goal oriented, economics is the only system that will out-live the Psychopath oriented delusion.

Ask yourself this...What, if anything, exists that has perpetual "GROWTH"?

?
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vous avez raison
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Stagflation...
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Otherwise known as "The Obama Recovery"

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Article is BS.We DON'T have 2.2 % growth and we have not been out of Recession since it began...........
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All of the statistics, rhetoric, and horse shit does not change the simple fact! America is in decline. We have no manufacturing, no industry, our largest employer, housing, may look like it is improving on the surface, however, it's just window dressing.

The Doom has already come and gone, it just hasn't registered in the minds of the common idgit on the street.

Hundreds of thousands of people are still without power on the East Coast, gas rationing will likely go on for weeks, and winter hasn't even really started.

You want Doom, America collapsed in 2007. And like a dying man, home alone, laying on the kitchen floor, no one has noticed him yet. Everything from here on out is just agonal heart beats.

So, you either adapt or die! The World of 1998, of the Clinton/Bush years, the World of Internet startups, and fucking decadence of the middle class is over!
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Article is BS.We DON'T have 2.2 % growth and we have not been out of Recession since it began...........
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Ahhhh.... but we don't have 1% inflation either, it is much higher than that... so they call that 'expansion' above the false 1% as growth... in reality, 5+% inflation, and real 'contraction' minus the 1% false inflation number = 2.2% 'growth'.
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Article is BS.We DON'T have 2.2 % growth and we have not been out of Recession since it began...........
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The article is correct in the sense that it follows the line of reason that suggests we have had growth.

But, we know that is a complete and utter lie because, as you say, we have never been out of the great Recession.

The government completely cooks the numbers and then sells it to the public with the help of the biased press.

It's all going to blow up soon. I think we are down to mere weeks.

And then, when all the tax hikes hit, new regulations hit, and businesses that were hanging on hoping there would be a return to reason within the Federal Government that could cut the deficit and stop the deficit spending, cut taxes, and stop Obamacare begin to cut jobs then a whole mass of people will react.

They'll either get it, that you cannot actually squeeze blood out of a turnip, or they'll react violently because the government cut off their free stuff because there simply is no way to pay for it.

We've been living on the float for too long with an illusion of imaginary wealth that cannot be sustained.

We're toast.
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All of the statistics, rhetoric, and horse shit does not change the simple fact! America is in decline. We have no manufacturing, no industry, our largest employer, housing, may look like it is improving on the surface, however, it's just window dressing.

The Doom has already come and gone, it just hasn't registered in the minds of the common idgit on the street.

Hundreds of thousands of people are still without power on the East Coast, gas rationing will likely go on for weeks, and winter hasn't even really started.

You want Doom, America collapsed in 2007. And like a dying man, home alone, laying on the kitchen floor, no one has noticed him yet. Everything from here on out is just agonal heart beats.

So, you either adapt or die! The World of 1998, of the Clinton/Bush years, the World of Internet startups, and fucking decadence of the middle class is over!
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Article is BS.We DON'T have 2.2 % growth and we have not been out of Recession since it began...........
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Ahhhh.... but we don't have 1% inflation either, it is much higher than that... so they call that 'expansion' above the false 1% as growth... in reality, 5+% inflation, and real 'contraction' minus the 1% false inflation number = 2.2% 'growth'.
 Quoting: TraderRob


We have price inflation caused by currency devaluation and speculation. We have monetary deflation.
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""In the three years since the Great Recession ended""

This statement alone stops me in my tracks and I stop reading the rest...

The great whatever never was...Or should I say... we ain't there yet...
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Article is BS.We DON'T have 2.2 % growth and we have not been out of Recession since it began...........
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This
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Article is BS.We DON'T have 2.2 % growth and we have not been out of Recession since it began...........
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This
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27000113


The only way they could pretend growth is with the stimulus making up the majority of that 2.2%. And that was all borrowed.
“We must keep the people busy with political antagonisms."
“We’ll therefore speed up the question of reform (of tarrifs within) the Democratic Party; and we’ll put the spotlight on the question of protection …(for) the Republican Party."

“By dividing the electorate this way, we’ll be able to have them spend their energies at struggling amongst themselves, on questions that, for us, have no importance whatsoever." - United State Bankers magazine, 1892.
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Japanese and Americans are dealing with the againg population problem differently:

Japanese building robots to take care of elderly.

American government implementing holding back medical care for elderly to speed up their deaths.
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Another HUGE contrast:

Japanese people are savers

American people are spenders

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