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Officials now calling for military take over of private utility company in NY/NJ

 
FatalW1shes

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11/09/2012 03:12 PM

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The union won't allow that...

Oh wait....


I'm confused...
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11/09/2012 03:13 PM
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buy a company milk the fucking shit out of it , abandon it to the public serpents when it falls apart. losses for the publics , profit for the privates
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11/09/2012 03:20 PM
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Wow, that didn't take long, did it?

Never let a good crisis go to waste.

Nationalizing industry... it's so socialist.

It's so Hugo Chavez.

It's so Van Jones and Valarie Jarret and Bill Ayers.

It is so Weather Underground.

So National Socialist.

So NAZI.

History, in the making.
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Maybe we are the fourth reich
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11/09/2012 03:21 PM
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So far it's just talk. Get on with it. The situation is desperate.
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Oh look Mexico has internet now
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11/09/2012 03:24 PM
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So far it's just talk. Get on with it. The situation is desperate.
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Oh look Mexico has internet now
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I've had it longer than you....
Anonymous Coward
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11/09/2012 03:24 PM
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Ok...the power company wont restore power untill the homes have been inspected by a licensed electrician and plumber this would require the home owner to pay for this. So if the military takes over would that still apply?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7376059


I can see it now. The military will be given orders to get the goddamn power back on no matter what.

Here's how that is done. You disable all the circuit protection like breakers and fuses and just force the main switches closed. Forget inspecting anything first.

All the shit that isn't right just gets fried, starts huge fires that can't be controlled and all the damaged buildings and debris are consumed in a huge firestorm.

Problem solved...

Plus the insurance companies will now have a legal right to deny claims and blame the gooberment and the gooberment will refuse to be sued.

What?

You say they wouldn't do that?

Who exactly is this "they" and why wouldn't "they" and who is goin to stop them?

It could all go down for exactly the same reason dogs lick their balls,

because they can...
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11/09/2012 03:25 PM
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The union won't allow that...

Oh wait....


I'm confused...
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


Who is the Union. Oh wait. You havent a clue.
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11/09/2012 03:27 PM
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Here is my take as an attorney.

*People need power.

*People's homes may be damaged, exposed wires, breakers still set to on position, such that when the power goes on people are killed inside or fires start.

*Power company cannot take on that liability and don't have the manpower to check each home.

*Government temporarily takes over power company. Govt. pays for all inspections, uses government resources to finish the job.

*Government turns the power back on. Houses catch on fire and people die. Government fixes problems.

*Government has immunity and deals with losses.

*Government turns fully functional power company back over to private owners free and clear from expenses and liability.
Anonymous Coward
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11/09/2012 03:28 PM
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Get the fucking red tape out of the peoples way and then they can get the power back on. It does not take politicians to get this sort of thing done, it takes people willing to get their hands dirty. If I were the people in the area, my friends and I would be running interference on every politician that set foot in the area and keeping them away from the people that are actually getting things done.

NEW YORK AND NEW JERSEY NOW IS THE TIME TO TAKE BACK WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY YOURS. As they say, never let a good crises go to waste. Use this to your advantage, if you all can quit bickering back and forth amongst yourselves that is. If some politician steps in the way of a utility truck, you the citizens should be removing the obstacles for the utility companies. MAN UP!!! Reach down deep, grab that intestinal fortitude and get it done. To hell with being politically correct.
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11/09/2012 03:29 PM
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Re: Officials now calling for military take over of private utility company in NY/NJ
Here is my take as an attorney.

*People need power.

*People's homes may be damaged, exposed wires, breakers still set to on position, such that when the power goes on people are killed inside or fires start.

*Power company cannot take on that liability and don't have the manpower to check each home.

*Government temporarily takes over power company. Govt. pays for all inspections, uses government resources to finish the job.

*Government turns the power back on. Houses catch on fire and people die. Government fixes problems.

*Government has immunity and deals with losses.

*Government turns fully functional power company back over to private owners free and clear from expenses and liability.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24061376


Sounds sorta like my idea a few posts above only you are more polite about it.
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11/09/2012 03:32 PM
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Here is my take as an attorney.

*People need power.

*People's homes may be damaged, exposed wires, breakers still set to on position, such that when the power goes on people are killed inside or fires start.

*Power company cannot take on that liability and don't have the manpower to check each home.

*Government temporarily takes over power company. Govt. pays for all inspections, uses government resources to finish the job.

*Government turns the power back on. Houses catch on fire and people die. Government fixes problems.

*Government has immunity and deals with losses.

*Government turns fully functional power company back over to private owners free and clear from expenses and liability.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24061376


Sounds sorta like my idea a few posts above only you are more polite about it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27227251


Ha! I haven't read the entire thread, just wanted to toss in my thought about why gov would do that. It's actually creative and productive to help the thousands in need in a timely manner. After all, thats what the gov does, takes on losses so the people don't suffer the cost. That's why emergency declarations exist so the federal funds can flow. Sucks, but it beats riots and people dying in the streets.

Oh wait, that's still happening. Gov sucks, but its not as bad as without it.
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11/09/2012 03:33 PM
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Welp as I recall this area of the map is quiet "blue"...they kinda asked for it...
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So using your oh so astute logic when a red state has a tornado or hurricane, what happens then? Mitt Romney going to use his personal fortune to save them?

PS - The election is over. You lost.
Anonymous Coward
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11/09/2012 03:35 PM
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Welp as I recall this area of the map is quiet "blue"...they kinda asked for it...
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Look closer. You're wrong.
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11/09/2012 03:40 PM
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Re: Officials now calling for military take over of private utility company in NY/NJ
Here is my take as an attorney.

*People need power.

*People's homes may be damaged, exposed wires, breakers still set to on position, such that when the power goes on people are killed inside or fires start.

*Power company cannot take on that liability and don't have the manpower to check each home.

*Government temporarily takes over power company. Govt. pays for all inspections, uses government resources to finish the job.

*Government turns the power back on. Houses catch on fire and people die. Government fixes problems.

*Government has immunity and deals with losses.

*Government turns fully functional power company back over to private owners free and clear from expenses and liability.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24061376


Makes sense to me. One other thing the utility company was ill prepared, have antiquated technology to monitor the grid, and cut corners on maintenance. They are barely capable of managing at the best of times, and this certainly isnt the best of times. What i cant understand is why has it taken this long to realize the company'e incompetence and short comings? Who is monitoring them?
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11/09/2012 03:42 PM
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Get rid of the lazy union workers, problem solved!
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Here in Westchester the union workers were working about 10 hour days, that's about all the daylight we have, and doing that many hours of electrical work is very taxing mentally. You have to understand what the electricity will do, even though it's not powered up at that time.

They had to erect hundreds and hundreds of poles here in Westchester.

Where there was flooding they had to repair equipment at substations.

I'd better stop here before I start insulting you.
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11/09/2012 03:44 PM
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Re: Officials now calling for military take over of private utility company in NY/NJ
Here is my take as an attorney.

*People need power.

*People's homes may be damaged, exposed wires, breakers still set to on position, such that when the power goes on people are killed inside or fires start.

*Power company cannot take on that liability and don't have the manpower to check each home.

*Government temporarily takes over power company. Govt. pays for all inspections, uses government resources to finish the job.

*Government turns the power back on. Houses catch on fire and people die. Government fixes problems.

*Government has immunity and deals with losses.

*Government turns fully functional power company back over to private owners free and clear from expenses and liability.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24061376


Makes sense to me. One other thing the utility company was ill prepared, have antiquated technology to monitor the grid, and cut corners on maintenance. They are barely capable of managing at the best of times, and this certainly isnt the best of times. What i cant understand is why has it taken this long to realize the company'e incompetence and short comings? Who is monitoring them?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624


LIPA is the monitor. It isn't actually the power company. Many people on here have no idea what they are talking about.
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11/09/2012 03:45 PM
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I was in the military, they don't have trained people who know how to take over electrical grids. Even the engineering corps only know how to make bridges and dams (badly Hint Katrina). So what are they going to do? Point guns at the civilian workers?
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11/09/2012 03:46 PM
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Wow, that didn't take long, did it?

Never let a good crisis go to waste.

Nationalizing industry... it's so socialist.

It's so Hugo Chavez.

It's so Van Jones and Valarie Jarret and Bill Ayers.

It is so Weather Underground.

So National Socialist.

So NAZI.

History, in the making.
 Quoting: Eternally Vigilant


Oh Shit Iwas thinking the same thing ! add Greg Palast also
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11/09/2012 03:57 PM
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I was in the military, they don't have trained people who know how to take over electrical grids. Even the engineering corps only know how to make bridges and dams (badly Hint Katrina). So what are they going to do? Point guns at the civilian workers?
 Quoting: Alufiend 27384026


It only takes a few people who know how to defeat the circuit protection and a few more to actually do it to force main switches to close in on faulted circuits.

The available current from the upstream grid transformers is more than capable of frying away faulted distribution wires and smaller downstream distribution transformers if the circuit protection is voided. When you are done frying everything that is compromised, anything that is still left is good to go.

After all, the military is well trained in how to destroy things.
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11/09/2012 04:00 PM
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White collar workers apparently ain't getting the job done. Concerns that the company is mismanaged = Send in the Marines!

[link to www.nbcnewyork.com]

yessir
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[link to themoderatevoice.com]
071676

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11/09/2012 04:02 PM
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Yeah because when government takes over ANYTHING (or everything) it runs SOOOOO much more efficiently...

(See Healthcare...)
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Agreed
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Govt health care runs better than private health care. Kick out the corporate parasites clinging to the trough and you'll see it run even better.
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Ask England how well their healthcare is, and I am sure they just loooove it. They actually use the hospices as death rooms. People check in, and are carried out dead three days later.
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11/09/2012 04:03 PM
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a friend of mine on LI from high school called this a few days ago.

full govt takeover is prolly next
 Quoting: Phennommennonn


Who will go door to door to pick up the frozen bodies in the homes
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11/09/2012 04:05 PM
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so we can get a obama phone, and charge it with obama electricity?
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11/09/2012 04:07 PM

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Welp as I recall this area of the map is quiet "blue"...they kinda asked for it...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


If these entitled “blue” folks bothered to do some self-help imagine how much further along they would be at this point we live upstate New York Mid Hudson Valley area and Hurricane Irene hit us hard in 2011but the next day we were out cleaning up.

If someone had a chainsaw they walked around helping others if another had an extra propane heater well it found its way to the elderly couple you catch what happened here. We were high and dry but many were not so lucky when the waters receded you got into your car and checked your friends because FEMA was useless. It appears that most of the FEMA funds were used for motels, food and other living costs for the 5100 FEMA personnel assigned to Hurricane Irene.

The utility companies can only work so fast with downed lines, homes that have been condemned must be made safe, and this takes time. No some “officials” are calling for the military to step in and take over the managerial structure what a joke that will set them back weeks.
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11/09/2012 04:11 PM

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Yeah because when government takes over ANYTHING (or everything) it runs SOOOOO much more efficiently...

(See Healthcare...)
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Well the government-run New York subway is working again, while the privately-run electric companies are still having problems. What's that tell you?
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11/09/2012 04:13 PM
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I was in the military, they don't have trained people who know how to take over electrical grids. Even the engineering corps only know how to make bridges and dams (badly Hint Katrina). So what are they going to do? Point guns at the civilian workers?
 Quoting: Alufiend 27384026


It only takes a few people who know how to defeat the circuit protection and a few more to actually do it to force main switches to close in on faulted circuits.

The available current from the upstream grid transformers is more than capable of frying away faulted distribution wires and smaller downstream distribution transformers if the circuit protection is voided. When you are done frying everything that is compromised, anything that is still left is good to go.

After all, the military is well trained in how to destroy things.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27227251


Here's what happens when the circuit protection is inoperative which is as simple as turning off the control power to the substation's relay and breaker circuits. Yes, that's how it works, you lose control power and the breakers stay closed... no matter what.

[link to www.youtube.com]
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11/09/2012 04:17 PM
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Yeah because when government takes over ANYTHING (or everything) it runs SOOOOO much more efficiently...

(See Healthcare...)
 Quoting: Saddletramp


LOL.............. yes indeed, government is noted for its efficiency.
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11/09/2012 04:20 PM
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Too broke so the military will be taking over operations.
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11/09/2012 04:36 PM
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I was in the military, they don't have trained people who know how to take over electrical grids. Even the engineering corps only know how to make bridges and dams (badly Hint Katrina). So what are they going to do? Point guns at the civilian workers?
 Quoting: Alufiend 27384026


The workforce are already first responders, clearing and repairing and inspecting -- they dont need to be forced to do their job. I would imagine it is management that is trying to minimize costs, cutting corners, or is just plainly incompetent and/or overwhelmed.
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Yeah because when government takes over ANYTHING (or everything) it runs SOOOOO much more efficiently...

(See Healthcare...)
 Quoting: Saddletramp


:Agreed:
 Quoting: Tanarus


Govt health care runs better than private health care. Kick out the corporate parasites clinging to the trough and you'll see it run even better.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27142624


Ask England how well their healthcare is, and I am sure they just loooove it. They actually use the hospices as death rooms. People check in, and are carried out dead three days later.
 Quoting: 071676


Yeah sure, you know all about how it works observing from a health care disaster zone. You arent one to judge nuttin...

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