Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! | |
david User ID: 16910407 United States 11/10/2012 03:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! The world's religions and philosophies are so different that it's not possible that they are all right. It would be illogical to say otherwise. There is order in the world as established by the creator so why in the heck would the creator depart from said order and make our journey a chaotic spiritual free for all? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1465884 And being one who created beautiful things that sustain us why would the creator depart from that sort of care and concern just to leave us guessing about the most important thing in life (the way to God). It would be more consistent with his/her character to make the way discoverable and knowable behind a shadow of a doubt. What makes more sense is that the creator would let people know what is true. So the thing to do is figure that out; otherwise, you are your own god by picking and choosing what sounds good to you, which is not what is necessarily true. The many roads to God argument is the ultimate deception. or perhaps the assertion - my way or the highway- is flawed. flawed in that it places restrictions on an omnipotent deity. a god who can create countless grains of sand, yet not one a copy of the next. or 6 billion humans on the same planet, however no two exactly alike. to my mind this god could certainly be capable of authorizing a multitude of ways for people to worship him. Capable...yes, but what he/she is capable of really doesn't matter. It's what he/she did and will do, and that is discoverable. I'm not going to tell everyone here what I believe. It could be anything. What is significant to ponder is what is the creator's character, and what way to the creator is consistent with who he/she is? All the wrong ways to God are flawed by dependence on the self to achieve a certain something (such as observing specific requirements or trying to be a good enough person or reaching a certain state or any other number of things). So again, I give you the many ways to God paradigm and what it really points to: self worship. And that leads to no need for God, so where does that leave us? And where does that leave the creator? thank you for sharing your thoughts, i would argue that there a number of spiritual disciplines that require selfless study, denial of personal comforts, even draconic abnegation far beyond what you or i am willing to accept. certainly not self worship. respectfully, |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 19286573 Canada 11/10/2012 03:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! Well my Bible reads.. Quoting: NightWisp I am THE way, THE truth, THE life. Not A way, A truth, A life. The means "only 1. " A means 1 of many options. Maybe you have better read it again before you spout NONSENSE. :stoopidalso: not all sacred God texts state this Then maybe. they are NOT sacred. have you read them all, maybe the bible is not sacred either, but just an astrological story |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 26268975 Slovakia 11/10/2012 04:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19286573 Canada 11/10/2012 04:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! have you tried other journey's there are many roads to God within blessings You did not get the message I tried to convey: God has MANY faces. Only Jesus knows the face of the Father of Him. No one else. you seem very fixed on a name of God what if you never knew the name of Jesus and was a very kind, loving being who had connection with Nature and the Universe or God? it is irrelevant if he knows Jesus or not because the individual already knows the truth don't you get it? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26268975 Slovakia 11/10/2012 04:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! have you tried other journey's there are many roads to God within blessings You did not get the message I tried to convey: God has MANY faces. Only Jesus knows the face of the Father of Him. No one else. you seem very fixed on a name of God what if you never knew the name of Jesus and was a very kind, loving being who had connection with Nature and the Universe or God? it is irrelevant if he knows Jesus or not because the individual already knows the truth don't you get it? A long time ago I used to be an atheist. I know better, out of my own experience. BTW, His name does not matter. It´s His life on Earth that made the difference. P.S. Jesus is not God, but the only Son of the Almighty. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19286573 Canada 11/10/2012 04:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19286573 have you tried other journey's there are many roads to God within blessings You did not get the message I tried to convey: God has MANY faces. Only Jesus knows the face of the Father of Him. No one else. you seem very fixed on a name of God what if you never knew the name of Jesus and was a very kind, loving being who had connection with Nature and the Universe or God? it is irrelevant if he knows Jesus or not because the individual already knows the truth don't you get it? A long time ago I used to be an atheist. I know better, out of my own experience. BTW, His name does not matter. It´s His life on Earth that made the difference. P.S. Jesus is not God, but the only Son of the Almighty. who is the Almighty? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26268975 Slovakia 11/10/2012 04:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975 You did not get the message I tried to convey: God has MANY faces. Only Jesus knows the face of the Father of Him. No one else. you seem very fixed on a name of God what if you never knew the name of Jesus and was a very kind, loving being who had connection with Nature and the Universe or God? it is irrelevant if he knows Jesus or not because the individual already knows the truth don't you get it? A long time ago I used to be an atheist. I know better, out of my own experience. BTW, His name does not matter. It´s His life on Earth that made the difference. P.S. Jesus is not God, but the only Son of the Almighty. who is the Almighty? The only God, Jesus´ Father. The God Lord of the Old Testament. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19286573 Canada 11/10/2012 04:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19286573 you seem very fixed on a name of God what if you never knew the name of Jesus and was a very kind, loving being who had connection with Nature and the Universe or God? it is irrelevant if he knows Jesus or not because the individual already knows the truth don't you get it? A long time ago I used to be an atheist. I know better, out of my own experience. BTW, His name does not matter. It´s His life on Earth that made the difference. P.S. Jesus is not God, but the only Son of the Almighty. who is the Almighty? The only God, Jesus´ Father. The God Lord of the Old Testament. so you are referring to a planetary God Jehovah or Jupiter or Thor, how typical I serve the one, the Universal Creator/ Source of all in this universe, unconditional love, divine light and truth representing this Creator is our sun, the Cosmic Father, the Christ. do your research before blindly typing jargon from a St. James bible peace |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26268975 Slovakia 11/10/2012 05:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975 A long time ago I used to be an atheist. I know better, out of my own experience. BTW, His name does not matter. It´s His life on Earth that made the difference. P.S. Jesus is not God, but the only Son of the Almighty. who is the Almighty? The only God, Jesus´ Father. The God Lord of the Old Testament. so you are referring to a planetary God Jehovah or Jupiter or Thor, how typical I serve the one, the Universal Creator/ Source of all in this universe, unconditional love, divine light and truth representing this Creator is our sun, the Cosmic Father, the Christ. do your research before blindly typing jargon from a St. James bible peace LOL, by your writing I doubt you know the Entity Jesus was teaching about. So again, people like you should study Jesus´ words dilligently to get the right One. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 26268975 Slovakia 11/10/2012 05:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! Jesus can be referred to the sun Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19286573 Joan of Arc stated she said Jesus is the same as Archangel Michael who represents the White brotherhood of conditional love Wasn´t she executed for blasphemies? No, Jesus teaching Israelites are not about Sun-worship. The Israelites were prohibited, by God to do so. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19286573 Canada 11/10/2012 05:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! Jesus can be referred to the sun Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19286573 Joan of Arc stated she said Jesus is the same as Archangel Michael who represents the White brotherhood of conditional love Wasn´t she executed for blasphemies? No, Jesus teaching Israelites are not about Sun-worship. The Israelites were prohibited, by God to do so. she was executed by heathens like you, worshipping Jesus and sun worship are the same |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26268975 Slovakia 11/10/2012 05:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! Jesus can be referred to the sun Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19286573 Joan of Arc stated she said Jesus is the same as Archangel Michael who represents the White brotherhood of conditional love Wasn´t she executed for blasphemies? No, Jesus teaching Israelites are not about Sun-worship. The Israelites were prohibited, by God to do so. she was executed by heathens like you, worshipping Jesus and sun worship are the same This is paganism, e.g. worshiping the nature. Get a brain. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19286573 Canada 11/10/2012 05:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! Jesus can be referred to the sun Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19286573 Joan of Arc stated she said Jesus is the same as Archangel Michael who represents the White brotherhood of conditional love Wasn´t she executed for blasphemies? No, Jesus teaching Israelites are not about Sun-worship. The Israelites were prohibited, by God to do so. she was executed by heathens like you, worshipping Jesus and sun worship are the same This is paganism, e.g. worshiping the nature. Get a brain. how is worshipping the sun paganism? Nature is here on Earth, you are Nature, you are creation, you are from Mother Earth. your spirit is from God. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26268975 Slovakia 11/10/2012 05:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975 Wasn´t she executed for blasphemies? No, Jesus teaching Israelites are not about Sun-worship. The Israelites were prohibited, by God to do so. she was executed by heathens like you, worshipping Jesus and sun worship are the same This is paganism, e.g. worshiping the nature. Get a brain. how is worshipping the sun paganism? Nature is here on Earth, you are Nature, you are creation, you are from Mother Earth. your spirit is from God. Sun was created by God, not the other way. Like anything else out there. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19286573 Canada 11/10/2012 05:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19286573 she was executed by heathens like you, worshipping Jesus and sun worship are the same This is paganism, e.g. worshiping the nature. Get a brain. how is worshipping the sun paganism? Nature is here on Earth, you are Nature, you are creation, you are from Mother Earth. your spirit is from God. Sun was created by God, not the other way. Like anything else out there. the problem is Jehovah is not the Universal /creator, you are also worshipping God's creation . you are also a Pagan!!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26268975 Slovakia 11/10/2012 05:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! how is worshipping the sun paganism? Nature is here on Earth, you are Nature, you are creation, you are from Mother Earth. your spirit is from God. Sun was created by God, not the other way. Like anything else out there. the problem is Jehovah is not the Universal /creator, you are also worshipping God's creation . you are also a Pagan!!!! I doubt we speak of the same god. I am speaking of the Father of Jesus Christ. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19286573 Canada 11/10/2012 05:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19286573 how is worshipping the sun paganism? Nature is here on Earth, you are Nature, you are creation, you are from Mother Earth. your spirit is from God. Sun was created by God, not the other way. Like anything else out there. the problem is Jehovah is not the Universal /creator, you are also worshipping God's creation . you are also a Pagan!!!! I doubt we speak of the same god. I am speaking of the Father of Jesus Christ. maybe we are talking about the same God, lol |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26268975 Slovakia 11/10/2012 05:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975 Sun was created by God, not the other way. Like anything else out there. the problem is Jehovah is not the Universal /creator, you are also worshipping God's creation . you are also a Pagan!!!! I doubt we speak of the same god. I am speaking of the Father of Jesus Christ. maybe we are talking about the same God, lol John 4:22,23 You worship you know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27354861 United States 11/10/2012 11:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19286573 the problem is Jehovah is not the Universal /creator, you are also worshipping God's creation . you are also a Pagan!!!! I doubt we speak of the same god. I am speaking of the Father of Jesus Christ. maybe we are talking about the same God, lol John 4:22,23 You worship you know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. Exactly! Of the JEWS. Why would I worship the god of the jews when I could worships the gods of my own kind? My gods revealed themselves to my people. To Hel with your god's claims at being the "only one" because it is a blatant lie. I have no idea if you are white, jew, black, or otherwise, but if you betrayed your own kind's gods by embracing Jesus then when you stand before him, you will be made lesser than the jews, because they are his chosen race, not yours, unless you are a jew. Why would you want to be a mere refugee after you die? Find a place of honor with whatever gods your ancestors revered and you will find their hall when you die. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27354861 United States 11/10/2012 11:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! Jesus can be referred to the sun Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19286573 Joan of Arc stated she said Jesus is the same as Archangel Michael who represents the White brotherhood of conditional love Wasn´t she executed for blasphemies? No, Jesus teaching Israelites are not about Sun-worship. The Israelites were prohibited, by God to do so. she was executed by heathens like you, worshipping Jesus and sun worship are the same This is paganism, e.g. worshiping the nature. Get a brain. No Paganism is an ignorant, coverall term to describe most pre-christian religions of Europe, and wrongly the modern day abominations of Wicca, "Asatru" (neo-Norse Paganism as it is called), etc. I only use that term because no one will know what I am talking about otherwise and it doesn't offend me as it does some others. True Paganism is the Old Ways. These "neo-pagans" are new agers in robes. Pathetic. Most neo-"Norse/Germanic" Pagans follow a watered down blasphemy which fused other religions into it for the sake of the modern age. Yes even we have blasphemies, right, wrong, and a moral compass. I have a code of honor for instance that I am bound to follow, especially when I give my word to someone. I am incapable of breaking that word or I am overcome by extreme guilt. Your religion is not the only path to good. Not by a long shot and I wish you could see that. I do not hate christians themselves, only their god, and their beliefs. I actually hate these pretender "neo-pagans" a lot more than I ever could hate christians. Modern christians are not to blame for their fore-fathers and their self righteous power trips. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27446676 United States 11/10/2012 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! JESUS IS ALMIGHTY GOD. HE CREATED HEAVEN AND EARTH AND THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE. THERE IS NO OTHER PATH TO GOD, ABSOLUTELY NONE. ACTS 4 10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. JOHN 14 5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27354861 United States 11/10/2012 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! I am not misleading anyone. I am speaking my mind and adding to this conversation according to my beliefs. So much for free speech, what hypocrites your kind are, crying oppression when others try to shut you up, and then you go around trying to close the mouths of those who feel true conviction. My ancestors at least do not count me as a traitor and they look down upon me with honor. I do the best that I can to follow the path laid out before me. Do I make mistakes? I do all the time and the gods themselves even make mistakes. Why? Because perfection is an illusion and a lie by the most pompous and prideful. Anyone claiming to be perfect is really only saying that they worship themselves. Everyone does wrong in the eyes of someone, even if only themselves. What christians cannot understand is that power does not mean perfection. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27354861 United States 11/10/2012 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! JESUS IS ALMIGHTY GOD. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27446676 HE CREATED HEAVEN AND EARTH AND THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE. THERE IS NO OTHER PATH TO GOD, ABSOLUTELY NONE. ACTS 4 10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. JOHN 14 5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? Calm yourself zealot. I am not shouting out the Eddas, although I would hardly call them holy texts, just to drown out everyone else trying to speak. Screaming out scriptures does not prove anything except that you believe what they say. But you can of course do what you want, just do not expect me to abandon the ways of my own kind to follow your foreign god. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26268975 Slovakia 11/10/2012 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Why don't Christians and other denominations get it yet, Jesus is a way to God, not the only way to God!!!!! JESUS IS ALMIGHTY GOD. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27446676 HE CREATED HEAVEN AND EARTH AND THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE. THERE IS NO OTHER PATH TO GOD, ABSOLUTELY NONE. ACTS 4 10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. JOHN 14 5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? He canot be the Almighty because sent by the Almighty. |