understanding socialism/communism

And that would make one feel good?

No it doesnt. Everybody want to do something that makes them feel good. Some kind of Job that gives them purpose and social connections.

And by the way the picture you paint isnt realistic.

I never said you had to agree with me. Your entitled to your own opinion. It's cool. I undersdtand.

I'm Really Drunk right now.

that's the best you tards can come up with?

Another illinformed tard thread.

Believe what you want op, if it makes you feel better to think that universal healthcare or a comprehensive welfare system is wrong perhaps you should sit and think what also makes a good Christian, I'm sure it doesn't involve leaving your fellow man to choke on his own misfortune.
Elements of socialism are desirable IMHO, the u.s practices communism everytime it subsidises it farmers...just saying.

Hitler was a collectivist

same as you

same as Big Brother/Sis DHS.

we have socialism for the poor
communism for the middle class
and capitalism for the rich
its easy to understand

1) While USA whithers with terrible education, low to zero retirement prospects for the 20-30year old workers.. And, uh, a financial system that recently took down the rest of the world's with it.... In Europe, a place where most countries are some form of 'Democratic Socialism', or similar socialistic systems with capitalistic elements and generally well regulated freemarkets, they have:
1) Public Healthcare
2) Universal Retirement
3) REAL unemployment
4) REAL Immigration control (to protect their benies)
5) Higher Education\Training for all students (with stipend so students\parents can make it happen)

2) NONE of this is 'communism' - it is a social system mostly - they use a capitalism with regualtions for everything else.. ALL OF Europe is like my above.

SOO - before you smart guys say" GREECE IS FAILING!!!!" Like that somehow negates the above facts. REMEMBER:

After greece is done recovering from the financial disaster WE caused them (after all, their debt ratio IS lower than outs) - they will STILL HAVE those things above - and we will still not have them.

We are lost. We pay the same tax as Canadians, yet they get almost all, or all, of the list above...

All our tax goes to is CORPORATE WELFARE.

We cannot have unregulated 'free markets' - sorry - cash and power distort the markets.. Everyone with their simplistic and breathless obsession over friendman's 'free market'. SORRY FOLKS - monopolies, unending mergers, etc... We now know what that looks like....

I see some of you asking 'where are the libs' - I hate to say it - it is VERY CLEAR there is almost no real understanding of the ISMS being discussed - you guys are barely worth responding to.

Question: How can a country with, by far, the worst 'wealth inequality' in the west be considered 'Socialist' or Collectivist in any way?

Sorry guys. Since 1983, the "lower 80%" of americans have lost 60% of their wealth. From 8.7% of the yearly wealth in 1983 to less than 4% now.

In that same time 'the upper 1%' have had their share of the wealth MORE THAN DOUBLE - in just 30 years - to something like 80% of the wealth..

AGAIN: HOW can a country in which 80% of people share just 4% of the yearly wealth be Communist or socialist?


Its FUCKING RETARDED to continue this socilism rant.

It wasnt true or logical in the 1950s, and it isnt now.


FUCKING IDIOTS.

So..state run everything is the answer?

is that what you're saying?

How exactly will the Gooberment make things better?

You're right of course, but we need to help them see The

Light. How many Tea Party, Republican and Democrats have

never heard anything but what Main Stream Propaganda

puts out? You can't fault THEM for being brainwashed.

We've all been there.

What's so bad about communism?
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NO DUDE. I am saying this premis you have been ranting about for 7 pages of empty high-fiving and illogicla rguments IS WRONG.

YOU ARE WRONG.. WE ARE NOT HEADED TOWARDS SOCIALISM.

WE ARE IN NO WAY SOCIALISTIC.

We have a VERY TINY welfare state - it is less than 6% of our tax money a year - by far the most tax $ goes to war.... education is only like 10%...


in a real socialistic country, the majority of money goes to education, healthcare, pensions, etc... there isnt so much left over for war.. so they dont go to war like we do.


Dont you see? NO SOCIALISM. NO EVIDENCE OF SOCIALISM

This means the people who see socialism in our current fucking corporatist NIGHTMARE of a fucking anti-worker, anti-citizens, ANTI-SOCIETY...

THEY ARE WRONG. AND DUMB.

Socialism can appear attractive for a while but it is

doomed to fail.

(Western) Europe is years ahead of the USA in implemented

Socialism. A few of the small countries appear to be

doing "OK". The rest are mired in debt and reeling from

uncontrolled Immigration and Big Brother tyranny.

I dread the thought of the USA becoming anywhere NEAR as

Socialist as Europe.

Socialist European countries are a heartbeat away from

complete tyranny and on the threshold of Communism.

what a bunch of bs

the demoncraps are renowned for their socialist/commie connections.

YOU are FULL of it

Your responses make no sense at all.

1) Western europe has heatlchare, education, pensions, and unemployment for all citizens.. REAL version of it- not this BS we have. None of these countries call themselves 'socialist'. I dont say we should be socialist..

2) Almost the entire western world laughs at us - we pay tax rates similar to many in these other countries, but we GET NOTHING for our pride and refusal to face facts.

3) uncontrolled immigration? I am afraid you are seeing REFUGEES - and not that many over all - and any country with a lot of them comming in - IT IS FOR THE FUCKING RICH PEOPLE TO REPLACE OTHERS AND TRY TO GET SOME USA STYLE 500-2500 times the average income.. Do you see?

4) This argument about 'communism'... Its infantile at best when you dont say why you think this? There is no reason to think that... You dont even know what communism is, or was like in various countries, do you? HINT: In a real communist country, pro citizen and pro worker and pro state propaganda are common.. All we get in USA is ANTI Worker and Anti Citizen.


You guys are hopeless. As soon as it is shown that in a country where 80% of the people share 4% of the wealth(usa) - you change the argument to 'well.. socialism is bad!' when - DUDES. Wakeup! Uncontrolled monopolies and a corupt 'free market' is FUCKING BAD.


Less than 4% of the yearly wealth - and 80% of our country lives on that.


you guys have all been indoctrinated by corporate propaganda.. its pathetic.

Since 1983, the "lower 80%" of americans have lost 60% of their wealth. From 8.7% of the yearly wealth in 1983 to less than 4% now.

In that same time 'the upper 1%' have had their share of the wealth MORE THAN DOUBLE - in just 30 years - to something like 80% of the wealth..

AGAIN: HOW can a country in which 80% of people share just 4% of the yearly wealth be Communist or socialist?


I dont see how your response addresses this issue... The dems are NOT socialists.. It isnt even remotely true... Dont you get it yet? The two party dynamic is ONLY FOR THE RICH MEN AND THEIR FUCKING BANKS.

Socialism.. I cannot belive, even with knowledge that 80% of us live on 4% of the wealth, it leaves any room for 'socialism'.....

that means you don't give a fuck about yourself because we are all one

two blocks of paved road cost more than that poster will earn in their entire life....



What we are seeing here is pure unadulterated corporate indoctrination.

There is only one single group that this rhetoric shown here could possibly come from: the fucking bankers.


THEY have been working he right wing lower-classes for some time - and they, with the internet, have finally perfected playing these people like a fiddle..


With ZERO evidence of USA socialism - they still rant endlessly about their imnaginary boogeyman... While the Bankers up their interest rates.

You're playing with semantics here. I call Europe's

countries Socialism, and ours is "creeping Socialism", but

whatever you call it, it's a planned destruction of the

Middle Class. Immigration is about nothing but destruction

of the middle class.

Socialism is the precursor of Communism... but OK, let's

not call it Communism, let's call it what it really is,

Totalitarianism.

You seem to be rooting for the abolition of the Republic.

You seem to think that "spreading the wealth" differently

will make this country as wonderful as... Britain? France?

The Netherlands or Sweden?

What form of government is your favorite?

You're playing with semantics here. I call Europe's

countries Socialism, and ours is "creeping Socialism", but

whatever you call it, it's a planned destruction of the

Middle Class. Immigration is about nothing but destruction

of the middle class.

Socialism is the precursor of Communism... but OK, let's

not call it Communism, let's call it what it really is,

Totalitarianism.

You seem to be rooting for the abolition of the Republic.

You seem to think that "spreading the wealth" differently

will make this country as wonderful as... Britain? France?

The Netherlands or Sweden?

What form of government is your favorite?


How is it creeping socialism? WE HAVE MASSIVE WEALT INEQUALITY - AND ITS DOUBLED IN THE LAST 30 YEARS.

What dont you understand - ITS IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO BE SOCIALISTIC... OUR TAXES ON THE RICH ARE FAR LOWER THAN IN THE 1940s...

Socialism IS NOT the "percursor to communism" - that is FUCKING IDIOTIC. It makes no sense and is not true....

I want to yell "SHILL" at you - because the only people who can benefit from our misery is the BANKERS and large corporations...

AGAIN: 80% OF THE COUNTRY SHARES 4% OF THE WEALTH TODAY - IN 1983 THEY SHARED 8.7%

The masses have lost 60% of their already pathetic 8.7% share...

Its not socialism we are seeing - it is the bankers trying to ruin our society to buy up even more of our property.

Assuming your figures are true it would be the slippery slope towards communism. No doubt it's been happening for awhile (gradually since the 50's)

Capitalism is what made this country great.

even dear leader says so!

socialism is gradually creeping in and will fully be implemented in conjunction w/climate change /agenda 21

Agenda 21 will make thousandaires/ millionaires into billionaires depending on who's NAZI ASS you kiss!

who could resist?

SELLING their SOUL to the NWO?

We are NOT on a slippery slope to communism - we are not remotely communistic, nor are we a socialist country. We have anti-worker, anti-citizen, anti-human policies which only re-inforce the status quo: bankers and large corporations and the idle rich.

Here are some numbers.

Financial (Non-Home) Wealth
Top 1 percent Next 19 percent Bottom 80 percent
1983 42.9% 48.4% 8.7%
2010 42.1% 53.5% 4.7%
2012 - The numbers are not on that chart, but its like 3.6% now....

Again. This country used to have a top tax rate of over 78%, no capital gains gimmick, no SS cap for the rich, etc.

We are getting taken by THE BANKERS and CORPORATIONS...

[link to www2.ucsc.edu]

This shit is obnoxious... What is with all this colorful BS on your post? What is all that trash?

All that crap and color - and that is all you have to say?

It isnt productive or useful...... Why did you bother?

And, dude, clean up your posts - its like 15 lines of garbage.

Your making allot of assumptions there happy guy. I plant trees, often more than 60 hours a week, and I make good if not fantastic money, about $6000 a month. I'm willing to believe you work hard, but trust me or research planting, it is a hard working job, one of the hardest, I can pretty confidently claim I work as hard as you. I dont plant trees in the winter, so I work other jobs, one's that make me allot less. But trust me I work. I pay taxes and I use services and spend money in my community. If I am collecting $800 dollars of supplemental income, income that I paid my premiums on, for 5 months, does that make me a leach, or selfish? I have planted for some time now and many years have not collected EI. But when I dont I dont bitch about other guys on Unemployment, because I know they will have my back when Im laid off.We all pay in and we all benefit when we need it. Your working, but imagine being unemployed even if you had benefits, it would probably drive you nuts. Because guys like you and me have WORK ETHIC. Were happy to try and like to succeed. Just because I believe in a social net doesn't mean Im lazy. Though I might still be a dumbass.

How is it creeping socialism? WE HAVE MASSIVE WEALT INEQUALITY - AND ITS DOUBLED IN THE LAST 30 YEARS.

What dont you understand - ITS IMPOSSIBLE FOR US TO BE SOCIALISTIC... OUR TAXES ON THE RICH ARE FAR LOWER THAN IN THE 1940s...

Socialism IS NOT the "percursor to communism" - that is FUCKING IDIOTIC. It makes no sense and is not true....

I want to yell "SHILL" at you - because the only people who can benefit from our misery is the BANKERS and large corporations...

AGAIN: 80% OF THE COUNTRY SHARES 4% OF THE WEALTH TODAY - IN 1983 THEY SHARED 8.7%

The masses have lost 60% of their already pathetic 8.7% share...

Its not socialism we are seeing - it is the bankers trying to ruin our society to buy up even more of our property.

The point being, I don't CARE what you call it, we are

being forced headlong into Tyranny! You do see that, right?

It just looks to me that you are so wrapped up in

percentages and definitions that you are providing support

for what neither one of us (or ANYone I know) wants -

Tyranny. I like to call Tyranny "Communism" because

Communists have historically been the WORST tyrants.

I like to call Liberalism "Socialism", but that's just me.

There are many everyday working people on GLP, and

ranting about GNP percentages etc., is not what we relate

easily to.

So relax, cheer up and maybe we can ALL agree on something,

like 'Tyranny is Bad'.

The point being, I don't CARE what you call it, we are

being forced headlong into Tyranny! You do see that, right?

It just looks to me that you are so wrapped up in

percentages and definitions that you are providing support

for what neither one of us (or ANYone I know) wants -

Tyranny. I like to call Tyranny "Communism" because

Communists have historically been the WORST tyrants.

I like to call Liberalism "Socialism", but that's just me.

There are many everyday working people on GLP, and

ranting about GNP percentages etc., is not what we relate

easily to.

So relax, cheer up and maybe we can ALL agree on something,

like 'Tyranny is Bad'.


Your desire to use loaded words and misunderstand history, social and economic systems, and our current situation - then go ahead and use these 'shorthands' you describe.

Because man - I gotta say - if we used your reckoning, the entire country would just matter of factly call the republicans the Nazis, and the democrats wing the Fascists..

Leftists are generally 'socialist' - bu, big secret here: in all of the western world except USA, the citizens get something for their tax contributions other than endless war for corporate profit.

Stop this stuff - you dont 'like to call socia... ' you have been indoctrinated by sophisticated propaganda that is aimed at right wingers on these message boards.

your stupidity is mind boggling

Glenn Beck PROVED it months ago

duh

libtard NAZI's like you are despicable

1) What are you refering to? What stupidity. I JUST BEAT YOU INTO THE CORNER YOU LITTLE MOUSE. You are out of arguments of any kind.

2) Glen Beck proved what? PROVED?!~ OOOHHHHH... Beck is abusing your mind just like the banks - the only people who benefit from a populace that has no workers rights, no pensions, nothing - IS THE CORPORATIONS AND BANKS.....

3)I am not despicable. I am using referenced numbers, passionate argument, appeal to reason, etc. to try and communicate with you - even though..

YOU ARE NOT WORTH BOTHERING.. Its simple: you are now a brainwashed pro-banker, pro-rich man automoton... Their propaganda is incredibly sophisticated.