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Ok, so i have immersed myself in this research for the past two years. I post tons of stuff on this subject, mostly in the ILLuminati and NWO realm. Lots of biblical stuff, too.

But, recently i created a thread about I Pet Goat, II, which I believe reveals the entrance of the anti-christ (among other things).

Sound far out? maybe it is. maybe it isn't.

But, check this out.

I found an article that clearly defines just how specific and difficult it will be to fulfill the prophetic requirements for the anti-christ candidate. (What is ironic, is that the requirements for the Messiah were equally as prophetic and specific.) These requirements reveal the actual person, as well as the political and worldly environment at the time of his rising.

But, put these two pieces of information together, and we see that it is becoming quite obvious that the rising of the anti-christ, whether his birth or his emergence in world leadership, is upon us.


First, read this article:

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As noted, the Bible also makes it clear that The Antichrist must be Roman. That is because Daniel 9:24-27 requires this. Most people misread these verses. The syntax of the original language of the text requires that the 'he' of verse 27 refers to the "prince that shall come" of verse 26. So neither a Chinese, African, Asian, Polynesian, native American nor any other aboriginal group can provide The Antichrist. Probably only about 1 billion people at most count as "Roman". Half of them are women! As noted below, definite articles, indefinite articles, and as above pronouns, have to be handled carefully when reading ancient texts in languages like Hebrew, Chaldean etc.

The next stage of the methodology is more of an art than precise requirement. Nevertheless it will be quite analytical because one will need a very good knowledge of the Bible and its references to the Life of Jesus The Christ, the true Messiah of Israel. The Antichrist's life and rise to power will imitate, mimic, closely resemble and/or counterfeit Jesus' own path. This probably has to be the case so that people will be more easily deceived. However, without a good grasp of Jesus' early history, most people will not realise where the deceptions lie. Firstly, The Antichrist will be conceived in a way that is unusual, like Jesus. If God through the Holy Spirit caused Mary to conceive as the Scriptures tell us, Satan will attempt to conceive his counterfeit. There is a debate whether Satan will do this by direct consummation with a woman or by use of In Vitro Fertilisation using The Human Genome Project that in theory can generate a template of perfect genes to code into a woman's egg. The former seems simpler and more obvious but the latter might be the raison d'etre for modern genetic research.

Since a candidate for the antichrist has arisen and we know who his mother is, and who she might have conceived children with, direct intercourse between Satan and a woman seems even more likely now. Many women have no idea whom they have conceived children by. In this case, the mother has discussed in public an unusual event in her life that observers might identify with Satan and one of the descriptions of him in the Bible. In any event, one might say that in both Jesus' own case and with this current candidate, there will be doubt, mystery or something unique surrounding the circumstances of the child's conception.

Our candidate's mother later married another man. Before she met her current husband, she had already named her son. This is the same pattern with Mary and Joseph. The nature of this potential-antichrist's first name gives us a very strong clue regarding the ancient ethnicity of his forefathers. It's a classic Roman imperial family name. It used to be a typical Roman custom to name a child in that manner. The etymology of the name of this woman's husband, the child's step-father, is interesting because his name can be read "king of kings" or "king and king" in the old languages of the Eastern and Western Roman empires. Since we now realise that the Trojans who founded Rome after the defeat of Troy, were probably Chaldeans or Galatians, also named Celts, Chaldi, and Kurds and Hittites, depending on the language and ethnicity of the nations that talked about them, we can say that 'Rome' today extends west from Iraq to California or Vancouver. This is a very wide catchment for the Antichrist to come from but it is an important factor in limiting information so that his identity can be discerned before his rise to power and indeed several years before even he realises who he is chosen to be - Satan's only begotten Son. This also explains why a 'Roman' Antichrist might want to return his kingdom to Babylon (Southern Iraq). Rome was founded by Chaldeo-Babylonian refugees from Troy. That narrows the choices down to a particular city, as does actually happen with the origin of this candidate's mother.

Thus, to have a child with a classic Roman imperial family name for a first name plus a surname meaning "king of kings", or "king and king", then being able to transliterate this into Hebrew and arrive at a number of 666 is "statistically unusual" and that is an understatement.

There are other clues. Satan eventually corners Israel in Petra in Jordan, the ancient capital of the Edomites. Edom, although not all Edomites for some were good men (Jethro, father-in-law to Moses), has always wanted to destroy Israel. Edom's descendants in various refugee camps in the Middle East are trying to do this now. Our candidate for The Antichrist, taken by his mother and step-father, has already visited Petra. There may not be any significance in that. We may have mis-identified this person because the spelling of his name may not be absolutely correct in transliteration into Hebrew. It is quite likely that until he signs his name on some sort of official document, which may not be until he signs the Seven-Year Covenant with Israel, we will not be absolutely certain how to transliterate his name into Hebrew. For example, if he decides to adopt the surname of the man whom his mother has identified as his father, his (full) name comes nowhere near 666. It only gets exceedingly close to 666 when his first name, we dare not call it his 'christian' name, and step-father's name are used together. It may also depend on whether he uses a middle initial as many names do. He may not need to add a middle initial but there may be one or two reasons he desires to. His first- and sur-names are sufficient and together they make up a truly classical name with much, or even rich, meaning along the lines of "Majesty - king of kings". The letter 'a' or aleph in Hebrew has the value of 1 and vowels (such as 'ae' which may count as '2') may be added to enrich the name or make pronunciation more distinct or precise. Thus we depend finally on a signed name on an official document to be sure we have identified The Antichrist.



ok, so this is the part of the article that made me think of I Pet Goat II:

So 'how The Antichrist will come to be' is a good question that we can now answer to quite a significant extent. We now have someone whose name equals 666 when that is really a very difficult thing to effect. The number of his name is not the only factor that is of interest at the moment. We would be surprised if the mother of this candidate named her son so that his first name, added to her future husband's surname, unknown to her at the time of the birth of her child, would then give a full name that equalled 666. The circumstances that we know of from many published reports and official documents mean that this is either a very unusual quirk of statistics or far more powerful forces than mere men and women are at work here. Let's be practical and fair. It may simply be a statistical oddity, freak (quirk). Otherwise, the Materialists will be silenced by these developments. The Eastern philosophies of India, China, Tibet, Persia etc., which do away with a god, will likewise be silenced. In fact it makes much sense of the Pope's and Dalai Llama's frequent discussions regarding unity around a cosmic force one group will name 'God' and the other 'Nirvana'.



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I Pet Goat II seems to express the dissolving of every world religion/faith, as well as the counterfeit Jesus, ending in the rising of the Helios/Sun.

the people who put together this video have a very detailed, ordered and clear grasp of the environment at the rise of the anti-christ.
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The specificity and details are quite amazing and something I had not seen before.

Going back to read more slowly.

Good work! hf
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antichrist

not The Anti-Christ

conspiracy theory is fun, but also a hindrance to bible study
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antichrist

not The Anti-Christ

conspiracy theory is fun, but also a hindrance to bible study
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there is anti-christ, and then there are many anti-christs.
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Anti christ may have been created through cloning.As you say test tube,computer dna..who knows.That being said..we can't get to the truth of where, who, what etc, regarding all the computer generated created birth certificates,ss numbers etc with Obama.We know his mom was of Jewish decent..Well I go on this 666 tripod site, messing around with names. I punch in osama bin laden.No hit.Then his missing,or dead brother Salem Bin Laden.wham hit! then I punch in the word computer.mark of beast ..bam hit..Bam hit...what if the computer and anything doing with the computer is the image,the name,and the beast???what IF obama is just a computer created being?? Just a thought.Left field I'm sure. :)
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.Galatians 6:8

I believe that if this once great nation will fall on their knees and turn back to God,He will postpone the hellfire that is sure to reign down on us very soon.Prayer has Power.
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Anti christ may have been created through cloning.As you say test tube,computer dna..who knows.That being said..we can't get to the truth of where, who, what etc, regarding all the computer generated created birth certificates,ss numbers etc with Obama.We know his mom was of Jewish decent..Well I go on this 666 tripod site, messing around with names. I punch in osama bin laden.No hit.Then his missing,or dead brother Salem Bin Laden.wham hit! then I punch in the word computer.mark of beast ..bam hit..Bam hit...what if the computer and anything doing with the computer is the image,the name,and the beast???what IF obama is just a computer created being?? Just a thought.Left field I'm sure. :)
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obama has been eliminated as a candidate.

the candidate is of roman descent.

no africans, asians, etc.
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Can you calculate the number of the beast ?
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Can you calculate the number of the beast ?
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read the article and snippets in my OP
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Can you calculate the number of the beast ?
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read the article and snippets in my OP
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Cool, read this

" This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666. "

Revelation 13:18

“And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him a hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.”

Revelations 14:1

144,000/666= 216.2162162162162
144,000/216= 666.6666666666667

That leaves the odd 2 and 7, which when subtracted, leaves 5, which is how many times 216 is repeated in the division of 144,000/666.

216*5 = 1080

144,000/1080 = 133.3333333333333

133.3333333333333*5 = 666.6666666666667

Which is a multiple of cube root 27, 27*40=1080

360*3=1080

27 is the only number that is a perfect cube , 3^3, or 3*3*3 = 27

There are 27 letters in the Hebrew language, 22 basic letters of the Hebrew alphabet and the 5 final forms.

Plotted on a cube and split in 3 reveals hidden center letter, Nun, 111

[link to www.meetingtent.com]


1080 is the gematria value of my name charlie
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Can you calculate the number of the beast ?
 Quoting: !saac


read the article and snippets in my OP
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Cool, read this

" This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666. "

Revelation 13:18

“And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him a hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.”

Revelations 14:1

144,000/666= 216.2162162162162
144,000/216= 666.6666666666667

That leaves the odd 2 and 7, which when subtracted, leaves 5, which is how many times 216 is repeated in the division of 144,000/666.

216*5 = 1080

144,000/1080 = 133.3333333333333

133.3333333333333*5 = 666.6666666666667

Which is a multiple of cube root 27, 27*40=1080

360*3=1080

27 is the only number that is a perfect cube , 3^3, or 3*3*3 = 27

There are 27 letters in the Hebrew language, 22 basic letters of the Hebrew alphabet and the 5 final forms.

Plotted on a cube and split in 3 reveals hidden center letter, Nun, 111

[link to www.meetingtent.com]


1080 is the gematria value of my name charlie
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gematria will not be used to calculate the name of the antichrist.

another one of those specific criterion that makes this individual unique and no margin for error in identifying him
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The NUMBER 666 and the NAME of the BEAST Without Using GEMATRIA


[link to www.shalach.org]

Why have I chosen to abandon the popular theory of 'Gematria' for determining the Name/Number of the Scarlet Abyss Beast?

After nearly 2000 years of Church history and MASSIVE traditional failed attempts using the gematria model by both theological scholars and laymen alike is proof enough, to show the number and name of the Beast, even utilizing in the last few years super computers, has little to NO fruits to bear for the 'millions' of man-hours expended.

One of the best alleged results by those who adamantly support the gematria theory (present company once included) is purported to be the name of NERO CAESAR - who by the clear admission of Scriptures themselves, respecting Rev. 17:8-11, reveal that the 8th King had to exist before John's day of his vision, and will futuristically rise from the Abyss over 2000 years later to reign as a King once more. How can Nero Caesar do this? Moreover, this alleged '666' gematria of the name of Nero is also based on a corrupted spelling of the name Nero (NERON).

Therefore, the theory of gematria is nothing more than a time consuming beast within itself, that only results in endless empty speculative assumptions and enslaves all who try to figure out the name of the Beast of Rev. 13:18 using this misguided methodology. There are currently over 6 billion people on this planet today, not even counting those before John's day, whose names are all potential candidates (some more so than others) for the theory of gematria and the number 666. Just how many of those names (if you could EVER translate them to either ancient Biblical Hebrew or ancient Biblical Greek correctly - NOT contemporary Hebrew/Greek) would actually equal 666 in either the Hebrew or Greek gematria models/methods, even as we currently speak - it is hopeless?

Meanwhile, there is NO way with absolute certainty (which is a prophetic mandate with this particular prophecy) of determining whether or not we should use either Hebrew gematria or Greek gematria - and of these two methods to complicate things even more there are several variious alternatives of each of these as well - hopeless.

Moreover, even when you are successful at deriving a name in either Biblical Hebrew or Biblical Greek that equals 666 gematria, it will NOT be supported in Scripture. Why? There is ONLY one name in all of Scripture that equals the Hebrew gematria of 666, this is SETHUR and means 'hidden' (Num.13:13). While this name may appear at first to be promising regarding the Abyss Beast, it proves to have no Babylonian connection as the 'wounded head' must.
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according to ii thesallonians, the man of lawlessness is revealed at the proper time, out of the midst of. What this means is that his unveiling is in accordance with the works of satan and his introduction is planned well in advance. This can only mean that satan knows when the time is right, when the world is ready.

indeed he will destroy many, for the foolish wait for a rapture when the bible says there will a slaughter.

How long must we wait oh lord?

Wait, my children, until the remaining are killed like you were, until the number is complete.

And suddenly heaven was filled with the souls of the slain, more than man can count. And they had come out of the great tribulation (the great slaughter).. Their tears were wiped from their eyes and they were given food and water so their suffering would come to an end.
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ahhh, Apollo must have logged on.

the resident one-star bandit bashing all the Christian authored threads.
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Can you calculate the number of the beast ?
 Quoting: !saac


read the article and snippets in my OP
 Quoting: Salt


Cool, read this

" This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666. "

Revelation 13:18

“And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him a hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.”

Revelations 14:1

144,000/666= 216.2162162162162
144,000/216= 666.6666666666667

That leaves the odd 2 and 7, which when subtracted, leaves 5, which is how many times 216 is repeated in the division of 144,000/666.

216*5 = 1080

144,000/1080 = 133.3333333333333

133.3333333333333*5 = 666.6666666666667

Which is a multiple of cube root 27, 27*40=1080

360*3=1080

27 is the only number that is a perfect cube , 3^3, or 3*3*3 = 27

There are 27 letters in the Hebrew language, 22 basic letters of the Hebrew alphabet and the 5 final forms.

Plotted on a cube and split in 3 reveals hidden center letter, Nun, 111

[link to www.meetingtent.com]


1080 is the gematria value of my name charlie
 Quoting: !saac


gematria will not be used to calculate the name of the antichrist.

another one of those specific criterion that makes this individual unique and no margin for error in identifying him
 Quoting: Salt


How about my birthmark of the 3 Magi ?

charlie
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ahhh, Apollo must have logged on.

the resident one-star bandit bashing all the Christian authored threads.
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Maybe somebody is mad that the moshiach is the nahash.
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The NUMBER 666 and the NAME of the BEAST Without Using GEMATRIA


[link to www.shalach.org]

Why have I chosen to abandon the popular theory of 'Gematria' for determining the Name/Number of the Scarlet Abyss Beast?

After nearly 2000 years of Church history and MASSIVE traditional failed attempts using the gematria model by both theological scholars and laymen alike is proof enough, to show the number and name of the Beast, even utilizing in the last few years super computers, has little to NO fruits to bear for the 'millions' of man-hours expended.

One of the best alleged results by those who adamantly support the gematria theory (present company once included) is purported to be the name of NERO CAESAR - who by the clear admission of Scriptures themselves, respecting Rev. 17:8-11, reveal that the 8th King had to exist before John's day of his vision, and will futuristically rise from the Abyss over 2000 years later to reign as a King once more. How can Nero Caesar do this? Moreover, this alleged '666' gematria of the name of Nero is also based on a corrupted spelling of the name Nero (NERON).

Therefore, the theory of gematria is nothing more than a time consuming beast within itself, that only results in endless empty speculative assumptions and enslaves all who try to figure out the name of the Beast of Rev. 13:18 using this misguided methodology. There are currently over 6 billion people on this planet today, not even counting those before John's day, whose names are all potential candidates (some more so than others) for the theory of gematria and the number 666. Just how many of those names (if you could EVER translate them to either ancient Biblical Hebrew or ancient Biblical Greek correctly - NOT contemporary Hebrew/Greek) would actually equal 666 in either the Hebrew or Greek gematria models/methods, even as we currently speak - it is hopeless?

Meanwhile, there is NO way with absolute certainty (which is a prophetic mandate with this particular prophecy) of determining whether or not we should use either Hebrew gematria or Greek gematria - and of these two methods to complicate things even more there are several variious alternatives of each of these as well - hopeless.

Moreover, even when you are successful at deriving a name in either Biblical Hebrew or Biblical Greek that equals 666 gematria, it will NOT be supported in Scripture. Why? There is ONLY one name in all of Scripture that equals the Hebrew gematria of 666, this is SETHUR and means 'hidden' (Num.13:13). While this name may appear at first to be promising regarding the Abyss Beast, it proves to have no Babylonian connection as the 'wounded head' must.
 Quoting: Salt


Head wound ?

How about my remission from brain cancer that happened overnight then ?

charlie
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The NUMBER 666 and the NAME of the BEAST Without Using GEMATRIA


[link to www.shalach.org]

Why have I chosen to abandon the popular theory of 'Gematria' for determining the Name/Number of the Scarlet Abyss Beast?

After nearly 2000 years of Church history and MASSIVE traditional failed attempts using the gematria model by both theological scholars and laymen alike is proof enough, to show the number and name of the Beast, even utilizing in the last few years super computers, has little to NO fruits to bear for the 'millions' of man-hours expended.

One of the best alleged results by those who adamantly support the gematria theory (present company once included) is purported to be the name of NERO CAESAR - who by the clear admission of Scriptures themselves, respecting Rev. 17:8-11, reveal that the 8th King had to exist before John's day of his vision, and will futuristically rise from the Abyss over 2000 years later to reign as a King once more. How can Nero Caesar do this? Moreover, this alleged '666' gematria of the name of Nero is also based on a corrupted spelling of the name Nero (NERON).

Therefore, the theory of gematria is nothing more than a time consuming beast within itself, that only results in endless empty speculative assumptions and enslaves all who try to figure out the name of the Beast of Rev. 13:18 using this misguided methodology. There are currently over 6 billion people on this planet today, not even counting those before John's day, whose names are all potential candidates (some more so than others) for the theory of gematria and the number 666. Just how many of those names (if you could EVER translate them to either ancient Biblical Hebrew or ancient Biblical Greek correctly - NOT contemporary Hebrew/Greek) would actually equal 666 in either the Hebrew or Greek gematria models/methods, even as we currently speak - it is hopeless?

Meanwhile, there is NO way with absolute certainty (which is a prophetic mandate with this particular prophecy) of determining whether or not we should use either Hebrew gematria or Greek gematria - and of these two methods to complicate things even more there are several variious alternatives of each of these as well - hopeless.

Moreover, even when you are successful at deriving a name in either Biblical Hebrew or Biblical Greek that equals 666 gematria, it will NOT be supported in Scripture. Why? There is ONLY one name in all of Scripture that equals the Hebrew gematria of 666, this is SETHUR and means 'hidden' (Num.13:13). While this name may appear at first to be promising regarding the Abyss Beast, it proves to have no Babylonian connection as the 'wounded head' must.
 Quoting: Salt


Head wound ?

How about my remission from brain cancer that happened overnight then ?

charlie
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why are you making this thread, in such dramatic hijack fashion, about you?
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not that i don't mind the bumps.
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The NUMBER 666 and the NAME of the BEAST Without Using GEMATRIA


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Why have I chosen to abandon the popular theory of 'Gematria' for determining the Name/Number of the Scarlet Abyss Beast?

After nearly 2000 years of Church history and MASSIVE traditional failed attempts using the gematria model by both theological scholars and laymen alike is proof enough, to show the number and name of the Beast, even utilizing in the last few years super computers, has little to NO fruits to bear for the 'millions' of man-hours expended.

One of the best alleged results by those who adamantly support the gematria theory (present company once included) is purported to be the name of NERO CAESAR - who by the clear admission of Scriptures themselves, respecting Rev. 17:8-11, reveal that the 8th King had to exist before John's day of his vision, and will futuristically rise from the Abyss over 2000 years later to reign as a King once more. How can Nero Caesar do this? Moreover, this alleged '666' gematria of the name of Nero is also based on a corrupted spelling of the name Nero (NERON).

Therefore, the theory of gematria is nothing more than a time consuming beast within itself, that only results in endless empty speculative assumptions and enslaves all who try to figure out the name of the Beast of Rev. 13:18 using this misguided methodology. There are currently over 6 billion people on this planet today, not even counting those before John's day, whose names are all potential candidates (some more so than others) for the theory of gematria and the number 666. Just how many of those names (if you could EVER translate them to either ancient Biblical Hebrew or ancient Biblical Greek correctly - NOT contemporary Hebrew/Greek) would actually equal 666 in either the Hebrew or Greek gematria models/methods, even as we currently speak - it is hopeless?

Meanwhile, there is NO way with absolute certainty (which is a prophetic mandate with this particular prophecy) of determining whether or not we should use either Hebrew gematria or Greek gematria - and of these two methods to complicate things even more there are several variious alternatives of each of these as well - hopeless.

Moreover, even when you are successful at deriving a name in either Biblical Hebrew or Biblical Greek that equals 666 gematria, it will NOT be supported in Scripture. Why? There is ONLY one name in all of Scripture that equals the Hebrew gematria of 666, this is SETHUR and means 'hidden' (Num.13:13). While this name may appear at first to be promising regarding the Abyss Beast, it proves to have no Babylonian connection as the 'wounded head' must.
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That's because god only knows and everybody else is just grasping at straws.
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Why have I chosen to abandon the popular theory of 'Gematria' for determining the Name/Number of the Scarlet Abyss Beast?

After nearly 2000 years of Church history and MASSIVE traditional failed attempts using the gematria model by both theological scholars and laymen alike is proof enough, to show the number and name of the Beast, even utilizing in the last few years super computers, has little to NO fruits to bear for the 'millions' of man-hours expended.

One of the best alleged results by those who adamantly support the gematria theory (present company once included) is purported to be the name of NERO CAESAR - who by the clear admission of Scriptures themselves, respecting Rev. 17:8-11, reveal that the 8th King had to exist before John's day of his vision, and will futuristically rise from the Abyss over 2000 years later to reign as a King once more. How can Nero Caesar do this? Moreover, this alleged '666' gematria of the name of Nero is also based on a corrupted spelling of the name Nero (NERON).

Therefore, the theory of gematria is nothing more than a time consuming beast within itself, that only results in endless empty speculative assumptions and enslaves all who try to figure out the name of the Beast of Rev. 13:18 using this misguided methodology. There are currently over 6 billion people on this planet today, not even counting those before John's day, whose names are all potential candidates (some more so than others) for the theory of gematria and the number 666. Just how many of those names (if you could EVER translate them to either ancient Biblical Hebrew or ancient Biblical Greek correctly - NOT contemporary Hebrew/Greek) would actually equal 666 in either the Hebrew or Greek gematria models/methods, even as we currently speak - it is hopeless?

Meanwhile, there is NO way with absolute certainty (which is a prophetic mandate with this particular prophecy) of determining whether or not we should use either Hebrew gematria or Greek gematria - and of these two methods to complicate things even more there are several variious alternatives of each of these as well - hopeless.

Moreover, even when you are successful at deriving a name in either Biblical Hebrew or Biblical Greek that equals 666 gematria, it will NOT be supported in Scripture. Why? There is ONLY one name in all of Scripture that equals the Hebrew gematria of 666, this is SETHUR and means 'hidden' (Num.13:13). While this name may appear at first to be promising regarding the Abyss Beast, it proves to have no Babylonian connection as the 'wounded head' must.
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Head wound ?

How about my remission from brain cancer that happened overnight then ?

charlie
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why are you making this thread, in such dramatic hijack fashion, about you?
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If I was the devil, you wouldn't know.

If you did know, you wouldn't believe.

Who's fooling who ?

Talk about what's in the link to my signature, don't be shy.

You get what you ask for in life, no ?
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The NUMBER 666 and the NAME of the BEAST Without Using GEMATRIA


[link to www.shalach.org]

Why have I chosen to abandon the popular theory of 'Gematria' for determining the Name/Number of the Scarlet Abyss Beast?

After nearly 2000 years of Church history and MASSIVE traditional failed attempts using the gematria model by both theological scholars and laymen alike is proof enough, to show the number and name of the Beast, even utilizing in the last few years super computers, has little to NO fruits to bear for the 'millions' of man-hours expended.

One of the best alleged results by those who adamantly support the gematria theory (present company once included) is purported to be the name of NERO CAESAR - who by the clear admission of Scriptures themselves, respecting Rev. 17:8-11, reveal that the 8th King had to exist before John's day of his vision, and will futuristically rise from the Abyss over 2000 years later to reign as a King once more. How can Nero Caesar do this? Moreover, this alleged '666' gematria of the name of Nero is also based on a corrupted spelling of the name Nero (NERON).

Therefore, the theory of gematria is nothing more than a time consuming beast within itself, that only results in endless empty speculative assumptions and enslaves all who try to figure out the name of the Beast of Rev. 13:18 using this misguided methodology. There are currently over 6 billion people on this planet today, not even counting those before John's day, whose names are all potential candidates (some more so than others) for the theory of gematria and the number 666. Just how many of those names (if you could EVER translate them to either ancient Biblical Hebrew or ancient Biblical Greek correctly - NOT contemporary Hebrew/Greek) would actually equal 666 in either the Hebrew or Greek gematria models/methods, even as we currently speak - it is hopeless?

Meanwhile, there is NO way with absolute certainty (which is a prophetic mandate with this particular prophecy) of determining whether or not we should use either Hebrew gematria or Greek gematria - and of these two methods to complicate things even more there are several variious alternatives of each of these as well - hopeless.

Moreover, even when you are successful at deriving a name in either Biblical Hebrew or Biblical Greek that equals 666 gematria, it will NOT be supported in Scripture. Why? There is ONLY one name in all of Scripture that equals the Hebrew gematria of 666, this is SETHUR and means 'hidden' (Num.13:13). While this name may appear at first to be promising regarding the Abyss Beast, it proves to have no Babylonian connection as the 'wounded head' must.
 Quoting: Salt


Head wound ?

How about my remission from brain cancer that happened overnight then ?

charlie
 Quoting: !saac


why are you making this thread, in such dramatic hijack fashion, about you?
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Why do you have trouble accepting it's true ?
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hehe... um... you dont meet the criteria
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hehe... um... you dont meet the criteria
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Hehe...um...how can you be skeptical of what you don't know ?

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gullibility of biblical proportions pun intended
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Funny how you can say " 666 is the number of the beast ", and yet disregard gematria, even though by using gematria it reveals not only the mathematical constant pi, in the book of Genesis, but also phi, the golden ratio, and Euler's number.

The value 666 is calculated using gematria in the first place.

So what do you say to that ?
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hehe... um... you dont meet the criteria
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Hehe...um...how can you be skeptical of what you don't know ?

drevil

There's a difference between skepticism and ignorance, do you know what it is ?
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please stick to the topic of the thread.
if that's not possible for you, then i invite you to visit somebody else's thread.

thanks in advance.

hint: this thread is not about you.
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" Thus, to have a child with a classic Roman imperial family name for a first name plus a surname meaning "king of kings", or "king and king", then being able to transliterate this into Hebrew and arrive at a number of 666 is "statistically unusual" and that is an understatement. "

Your words OP

That's called Gematria
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Funny how you can say " 666 is the number of the beast ", and yet disregard gematria, even though by using gematria it reveals not only the mathematical constant pi, in the book of Genesis, but also phi, the golden ratio, and Euler's number.

The value 666 is calculated using gematria in the first place.

So what do you say to that ?
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the only use of gematria is the fact that the six is repeated three times.

that doesn't necessarily mean anything.
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If you don't know what 666 stands for then you shouldn't be even talking about it. You can inadvertently mislead people. It is the Mark of the Beast, but what does it represent? Don't quote the scripture either, because that is a clue but not the answer.

If you don't know, then you need to shut up and study harder.

Time is very very very short. All the unbelievers will know within months that God is in control and He is a Living God and VERY REAL! All things are coming to pass as it is written.

God Bless the Remnant! Keep them safe and may they bring the unseeing and deaf out of ignorance if it be God's will!

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