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Russia expecting deal on missile shield now that Obama has been reelected

 
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Russia just try to defend itself from aggressive NATO encirclement.

When NATO will invade Russia, IT WILL BE ALL OVER FOR MONTH OR TWO. The west will not exist any more. It will be NUCLEAR WINTER, and we will all die.

God, or Gods, created Russia to balance any force on this world. Therefore one country can not take everything.

US is in the path of self destruction. Clingon Empire is not acceptable by anybody, not even the higher unseen forces.

You will see Sandy ONE AFTER ANOTHER. THAN CALIFORNIA EARTHQUAKE. US WILL BE COUNTRY OF TOTAL DESTRUCTION.

Carma will wake up people, that EVERYTHING YOU DO, WILL RETURN TO YOU.

I was just watching people waiting for gassoline in New York.

This was the result of NATO bombardement in Yugoslavia.
Even this Kristian Amampure was a major correspondent for Wars in the Balkans. 99 percent of her reports were wrong, and invented facts, in order nato to do invasion.

Now She was crying about Sandy.

And there will be civil wars in US as I am informed.


Boromir
 Quoting: Boromir_sk


Christian Amanpour, the whoring CNN Satanic Lesbian has lied about every god damn "conflict". Lied about Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria and lying about Iran trumping shit up and marching to the beat of the war drums.
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Re: Russia expecting deal on missile shield now that Obama has been reelected
I think this idea of a missile shield in Eastern Europe was a bad one from the start to be honest. It was bound to upset Russia who still regards the area as being under its 'sphere of influence'.

I think at the moment its better to keep Russia on the US side. Having the anti-ballistic missiles on ships and on US soil is a better idea. Although what I don't understand with Russia is why they should feel threatened by a very limited 'shield'.

They have hundreds of missiles still, and this defence shield would make a minimum impact on their arsenal - it is aimed at Iran, North Korea and other smaller countries. I also think its a bit hypocritical when Russia still has the anti-ballistic system around Moscow - the Gazelles and Gorgons plus it is expanding its S400 bases as well as developing S500 - which are rumoured to have REAL anti-ballistic capability.
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And if Russia agitated to install "government friendly to the Kremlin" in, say, Mexico...and then set about setting up a "shield" adjacent to US territory.

Sorry, but the US is being provocative and should fucking back off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23343731


One, Poland is not Mexico, they are far richer. Two there's no one in Eastern Europe that wants to move to or support Russia. Three Eastern Europe despises Russia so much that they welcome any western involvement and help, even if it means buying massive weapons from the west if they won't help. Most of Eastern Europe would gladly support any aggressive policies towards Russia.
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11/10/2012 09:57 PM
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Re: Russia expecting deal on missile shield now that Obama has been reelected
I think this idea of a missile shield in Eastern Europe was a bad one from the start to be honest. It was bound to upset Russia who still regards the area as being under its 'sphere of influence'.

I think at the moment its better to keep Russia on the US side. Having the anti-ballistic missiles on ships and on US soil is a better idea. Although what I don't understand with Russia is why they should feel threatened by a very limited 'shield'.

They have hundreds of missiles still, and this defence shield would make a minimum impact on their arsenal - it is aimed at Iran, North Korea and other smaller countries. I also think its a bit hypocritical when Russia still has the anti-ballistic system around Moscow - the Gazelles and Gorgons plus it is expanding its S400 bases as well as developing S500 - which are rumoured to have REAL anti-ballistic capability.
 Quoting: RolandDeschain


And if Russia agitated to install "government friendly to the Kremlin" in, say, Mexico...and then set about setting up a "shield" adjacent to US territory.

Sorry, but the US is being provocative and should fucking back off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23343731

Exactly. I'd like our "Department of Defense" to focus on defense and let the rest of the world figure out its own issues.

Still, I voted for Romney because on domestic policy (and his various fucking around in Libya) Obama has been a disaster.
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Re: Russia expecting deal on missile shield now that Obama has been reelected
Russia just try to defend itself from aggressive NATO encirclement.

When NATO will invade Russia, IT WILL BE ALL OVER FOR MONTH OR TWO. The west will not exist any more. It will be NUCLEAR WINTER, and we will all die.

God, or Gods, created Russia to balance any force on this world. Therefore one country can not take everything.

US is in the path of self destruction. Clingon Empire is not acceptable by anybody, not even the higher unseen forces.

You will see Sandy ONE AFTER ANOTHER. THAN CALIFORNIA EARTHQUAKE. US WILL BE COUNTRY OF TOTAL DESTRUCTION.

Carma will wake up people, that EVERYTHING YOU DO, WILL RETURN TO YOU.

I was just watching people waiting for gassoline in New York.

This was the result of NATO bombardement in Yugoslavia.
Even this Kristian Amampure was a major correspondent for Wars in the Balkans. 99 percent of her reports were wrong, and invented facts, in order nato to do invasion.

Now She was crying about Sandy.

And there will be civil wars in US as I am informed.


Boromir
 Quoting: Boromir_sk


Christian Amanpour, the whoring CNN Satanic Lesbian has lied about every god damn "conflict". Lied about Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria and lying about Iran trumping shit up and marching to the beat of the war drums.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26779413


Oh shit, she's lesbian too?

I'm just gonna sell the TV, every person they put up there is homosexual, and with few exceptions (Anderson Cooper) that means they cannot be trusted.
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Re: Russia expecting deal on missile shield now that Obama has been reelected
I think this idea of a missile shield in Eastern Europe was a bad one from the start to be honest. It was bound to upset Russia who still regards the area as being under its 'sphere of influence'.

I think at the moment its better to keep Russia on the US side. Having the anti-ballistic missiles on ships and on US soil is a better idea. Although what I don't understand with Russia is why they should feel threatened by a very limited 'shield'.

They have hundreds of missiles still, and this defence shield would make a minimum impact on their arsenal - it is aimed at Iran, North Korea and other smaller countries. I also think its a bit hypocritical when Russia still has the anti-ballistic system around Moscow - the Gazelles and Gorgons plus it is expanding its S400 bases as well as developing S500 - which are rumoured to have REAL anti-ballistic capability.
 Quoting: RolandDeschain


And if Russia agitated to install "government friendly to the Kremlin" in, say, Mexico...and then set about setting up a "shield" adjacent to US territory.

Sorry, but the US is being provocative and should fucking back off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23343731


One, Poland is not Mexico, they are far richer. Two there's no one in Eastern Europe that wants to move to or support Russia. Three Eastern Europe despises Russia so much that they welcome any western involvement and help, even if it means buying massive weapons from the west if they won't help. Most of Eastern Europe would gladly support any aggressive policies towards Russia.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24957083


Typical anti-Russian attitude bushtard
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Re: Russia expecting deal on missile shield now that Obama has been reelected
I think this idea of a missile shield in Eastern Europe was a bad one from the start to be honest. It was bound to upset Russia who still regards the area as being under its 'sphere of influence'.

I think at the moment its better to keep Russia on the US side. Having the anti-ballistic missiles on ships and on US soil is a better idea. Although what I don't understand with Russia is why they should feel threatened by a very limited 'shield'.

They have hundreds of missiles still, and this defence shield would make a minimum impact on their arsenal - it is aimed at Iran, North Korea and other smaller countries. I also think its a bit hypocritical when Russia still has the anti-ballistic system around Moscow - the Gazelles and Gorgons plus it is expanding its S400 bases as well as developing S500 - which are rumoured to have REAL anti-ballistic capability.
 Quoting: RolandDeschain


Which is a silly notion. Most of Eastern Europe doesn't considered itself under the sphere of influence of Russia and consider themselves more aligned to the west.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24957083


Of course they don't consider themselves under the Russian sphere of influence, just like most latin American countries don't consider themselves under the American sphere of influence. However the United States would be quite irritable if Russia and China started building long range over the horizon radars and ABM sites in Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuelaa and then claimed they were for defending against rouge "Israeli missiles"
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You can't be more wrong here. We do consider a sphere of influence as nearly all media, a lot of businesses have roots in the east. On the other hand we are at cold war with them, both diplomatic and economical. There are even casualties, dead official diplomats. Everyone knows that they are preparing for war and on the first opportunity they can attack. Hardly you know such facts.
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Re: Russia expecting deal on missile shield now that Obama has been reelected
You can't be more wrong here. We do consider a sphere of influence as nearly all media, a lot of businesses have roots in the east. On the other hand we are at cold war with them, both diplomatic and economical. There are even casualties, dead official diplomats. Everyone knows that they are preparing for war and on the first opportunity they can attack. Hardly you know such facts.



And who fight Russia and Invade, WE ALL KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPENED. No Body LEARNS FROM HISTORY. From Hitlers defeat, from Napoleon (whole Europe) defeat.

Russia is in DEFENSIVE MODE, after NATO expansion took place.
And this will cost dearly NATO. When NATO invade Russia, and it will, this will be the END of US, MY FRIEND.

US should retreat 1000 km from Russia borders. As it was agreed. Will be much more healthy for the future of the Earth.


If I was president of Russia, I would have Nuclear First Strike on EVERY NATO BASE NEAR RUSSIA BORDER, ON EVERY AMERICAN BASE IN THE SURROUNDING.

What would US do, if Russia had FIRST STRIKE BASES IN MEXICO, CUBA, CANADA ETC.

Today US is warmongering nation, losing its compass,making wars and destruction in the world.

Russia is just preparing itself for the long planed invasion of Nato. If this happens Russia, like always in the History WILL WIN. And pathetic US colonies such as Baltic States, will be punished.

Boromir, Macedonia
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Re: Russia expecting deal on missile shield now that Obama has been reelected
You can't be more wrong here. We do consider a sphere of influence as nearly all media, a lot of businesses have roots in the east. On the other hand we are at cold war with them, both diplomatic and economical. There are even casualties, dead official diplomats. Everyone knows that they are preparing for war and on the first opportunity they can attack. Hardly you know such facts.
And who fight Russia and Invade, WE ALL KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPENED. No Body LEARNS FROM HISTORY. From Hitlers defeat, from Napoleon (whole Europe) defeat.

Russia is in DEFENSIVE MODE, after NATO expansion took place.
And this will cost dearly NATO. When NATO invade Russia, and it will, this will be the END of US, MY FRIEND.

US should retreat 1000 km from Russia borders. As it was agreed. Will be much more healthy for the future of the Earth.


If I was president of Russia, I would have Nuclear First Strike on EVERY NATO BASE NEAR RUSSIA BORDER, ON EVERY AMERICAN BASE IN THE SURROUNDING.

What would US do, if Russia had FIRST STRIKE BASES IN MEXICO, CUBA, CANADA ETC.

Today US is warmongering nation, losing its compass,making wars and destruction in the world.

Russia is just preparing itself for the long planed invasion of Nato. If this happens Russia, like always in the History WILL WIN. And pathetic US colonies such as Baltic States, will be punished.

Boromir, Macedonia
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 Quoting: EMPerror


First of all you have first strike base in Kaliningrad, a place that does not belong to Russia, and was exterminated part of Prussia after WWII.

The only thing you are punishing with WW3 is your own sanity.

Last Edited by EMPerror on 11/12/2012 09:30 AM
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Re: Russia expecting deal on missile shield now that Obama has been reelected
geez give russia the missile sheild too, the only way we are going to ensure balance of power and mutual assured destruction or mutually assured deflection? is by doing this.

That way we avoid nuclear winter and the end of the world.
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imagine the proliferation of missile shield technology around the world.

TPTB would be furious at that.

rouge nations being able to defend themselves against the ICBM, the magic bullet of the western world military power.
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Re: Russia expecting deal on missile shield now that Obama has been reelected
geez give russia the missile sheild too, the only way we are going to ensure balance of power and mutual assured destruction or mutually assured deflection? is by doing this.

That way we avoid nuclear winter and the end of the world.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1546575


First anti-missile rockets were made in USSR. They were the first to make their own which is operational since 1980s. It is located around Moscow and now improved.
It is not a question about missile shield. It is a question about making NATO defenseless in Europe without a chance for retaliation.
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Re: Russia expecting deal on missile shield now that Obama has been reelected
geez give russia the missile sheild too, the only way we are going to ensure balance of power and mutual assured destruction or mutually assured deflection? is by doing this.

That way we avoid nuclear winter and the end of the world.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1546575


First anti-missile rockets were made in USSR. They were the first to make their own which is operational since 1980s. It is located around Moscow and now improved.
It is not a question about missile shield. It is a question about making NATO defenseless in Europe without a chance for retaliation.
 Quoting: EMPerror


It is located in MOSCOW, RUSSIA not in Cuba, not in Venezuela. Why can't the USA base their ABM system in Washington DC? Why can't the EU base their ABM system in Brussels? They are trying to fuck with Russia, and that is not smart.
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Re: Russia expecting deal on missile shield now that Obama has been reelected
geez give russia the missile sheild too, the only way we are going to ensure balance of power and mutual assured destruction or mutually assured deflection? is by doing this.

That way we avoid nuclear winter and the end of the world.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1546575


First anti-missile rockets were made in USSR. They were the first to make their own which is operational since 1980s. It is located around Moscow and now improved.
It is not a question about missile shield. It is a question about making NATO defenseless in Europe without a chance for retaliation.
 Quoting: EMPerror


It is located in MOSCOW, RUSSIA not in Cuba, not in Venezuela. Why can't the USA base their ABM system in Washington DC? Why can't the EU base their ABM system in Brussels? They are trying to fuck with Russia, and that is not smart.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26779413


That is your choice of course and most rockets are targeted towards you. Short range ones are intended for us. There are people that would like to see Aster based ABM along with many other initiatives from Brussels, but unfortunately it is still in development...
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Re: Russia expecting deal on missile shield now that Obama has been reelected
I think this idea of a missile shield in Eastern Europe was a bad one from the start to be honest. It was bound to upset Russia who still regards the area as being under its 'sphere of influence'.

I think at the moment its better to keep Russia on the US side. Having the anti-ballistic missiles on ships and on US soil is a better idea. Although what I don't understand with Russia is why they should feel threatened by a very limited 'shield'.

They have hundreds of missiles still, and this defence shield would make a minimum impact on their arsenal - it is aimed at Iran, North Korea and other smaller countries. I also think its a bit hypocritical when Russia still has the anti-ballistic system around Moscow - the Gazelles and Gorgons plus it is expanding its S400 bases as well as developing S500 - which are rumoured to have REAL anti-ballistic capability.
 Quoting: RolandDeschain


Which is a silly notion. Most of Eastern Europe doesn't considered itself under the sphere of influence of Russia and consider themselves more aligned to the west.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24957083



It is not silly according to Russia!

Russia has had concerns over the decades about any potential aggressor encroaching anywhere near its borders. You only have to look at Operation Barbarossato understand why Russia still has these feelings. True the presence of US interests in Eastern Europe cannot be compared in any way, shape or form to what happened when Hitler launched the attack against the Soviet Union which cost around 27 Million Soviet deaths.

However, any potential threat, no matter how small, is viewed as destabilising by Russia and they haven't forgotten about how US kicked up a fuss about Cuba in 1962 whilst they were at the same time putting missiles in Turkey.

The military assets in Eastern Europe are not needed. It would help US- Russian relations if they were abandoned and if they could work together to ensure they are safe from potential rogue states/ terrorists.

They also need to disarm more nukes as the amount they still have is too large for the 21st century and is hugely costly to upkeep. This money could be used for other military purposes or re-invested towards helping their countries escape the economic conditions they find themselves in.

Plus the SS18s will be gone by 2021 at the latest as this is the date when they will become virtually unusable - they have already had their service lives extended beyond 2016 and are not as reliable as they once were. Same goes for the SS19s and SS25s - all gone by 2020. At the moment the SS27 is the only new ICBM that is in use but even in its MIRVed form will only allow Russia to field 300-400 warheads on land at the most. Quite a drop from the 6000+ warheads they had on ICBMs in the 1980s, no?

Both sides should try and get down to 400-500 warheads at most - including strategic and tactical - anymore is a waste of money and overkill. A few hundred would be more then enough to deter any potential aggressor IMO.
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No :) Your figures do not resemble reality of Russian Nuclear arsenal. Did it make you feel better missing out a few zeros there chum ? :)

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