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Why can't the truth movement just focus on TRUTH?

 
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Why can't the truth movement just focus on TRUTH?
Logical validity

Verifiable facts

Anything outside of those two things can't be called truth as far as I can see.

But, the truth movement is mainly focused on theory, speculation, disinformation, misinformation, and fantasy...

That stuff fascinates, hooks, and SELLS and for the most part both the fans and the businessmen behind the scenes want it that way.

For example, why does the "truth movement" spend so much time and resources on 911 theories and speculation when the truth about the Waco, Texas massacre is probably on par with 911?

The "truth movement" has ignored the Waco, Texas massacre for the most part, can anyone tell me why?

There's enough incriminating verifiable evidence right there to prove practically everything that the "911 truth" crowd tries to demonstrate with all their theorizing and speculating, what's going on?
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Re: Why can't the truth movement just focus on TRUTH?
I don't know.

In my mk ultra research and examination of my own life (which seem to go hand in hand), I try to stick to things I can verify through witnesses, blueprints, corporate ownership, documents, etc.

Sure, there's some weird stuff that I'll never be able to verify, but other than as a footnote it's really not worth going into when there is so much that can be easily and thoroughly identified. Why try to come off as a wingnut from the start?
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Re: Why can't the truth movement just focus on TRUTH?
I don't know.

In my mk ultra research and examination of my own life (which seem to go hand in hand), I try to stick to things I can verify through witnesses, blueprints, corporate ownership, documents, etc.

Sure, there's some weird stuff that I'll never be able to verify, but other than as a footnote it's really not worth going into when there is so much that can be easily and thoroughly identified. Why try to come off as a wingnut from the start?
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


The "truth movement" has ignored the Waco, Texas massacre for the most part, it really baffles me.

Any thoughts on why?

From a strategic point of view if I were a "truth movement" leader I would have reversed that and said let's downplay 911 and emphasize Waco, Texas and similar events that take no speculating or theorizing but prove what we're trying to prove.

I have a suspicion of why that wasn't done...it could very well be evidence that the "truth movement" leaders are controlled opposition because it hasn't worked out like that.

The reason I think this so important is because by focusing on 911 and the like it's easy for the "truth movement" to be labeled conspiracy theorists. If the "truth movement" just stuck to the facts that wouldn't have applied and then the movement may have really caught on and changed the world...
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Re: Why can't the truth movement just focus on TRUTH?
I don't know.

In my mk ultra research and examination of my own life (which seem to go hand in hand), I try to stick to things I can verify through witnesses, blueprints, corporate ownership, documents, etc.

Sure, there's some weird stuff that I'll never be able to verify, but other than as a footnote it's really not worth going into when there is so much that can be easily and thoroughly identified. Why try to come off as a wingnut from the start?
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


The "truth movement" has ignored the Waco, Texas massacre for the most part, it really baffles me.

Any thoughts on why?

From a strategic point of view if I were a "truth movement" leader I would have reversed that and said let's downplay 911 and emphasize Waco, Texas and similar events that take no speculating or theorizing but prove what we're trying to prove.

I have a suspicion of why that wasn't done...it could very well be evidence that the "truth movement" leaders are controlled opposition because it hasn't worked out like that.

The reason I think this so important is because by focusing on 911 and the like it's easy for the "truth movement" to be labeled conspiracy theorists. If the "truth movement" just stuck to the facts that wouldn't have applied and then the movement may have really caught on and changed the world...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27434556


That extra building coming down WAS pretty suspicious.

Besides, the people at Waco were demonized. Have you ever really tried to get the masses to look into anything where the victims "deserved it"? Bloody disaster that is.
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Re: Why can't the truth movement just focus on TRUTH?
I don't know.

In my mk ultra research and examination of my own life (which seem to go hand in hand), I try to stick to things I can verify through witnesses, blueprints, corporate ownership, documents, etc.

Sure, there's some weird stuff that I'll never be able to verify, but other than as a footnote it's really not worth going into when there is so much that can be easily and thoroughly identified. Why try to come off as a wingnut from the start?
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


The "truth movement" has ignored the Waco, Texas massacre for the most part, it really baffles me.

Any thoughts on why?

From a strategic point of view if I were a "truth movement" leader I would have reversed that and said let's downplay 911 and emphasize Waco, Texas and similar events that take no speculating or theorizing but prove what we're trying to prove.

I have a suspicion of why that wasn't done...it could very well be evidence that the "truth movement" leaders are controlled opposition because it hasn't worked out like that.

The reason I think this so important is because by focusing on 911 and the like it's easy for the "truth movement" to be labeled conspiracy theorists. If the "truth movement" just stuck to the facts that wouldn't have applied and then the movement may have really caught on and changed the world...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27434556


That extra building coming down WAS pretty suspicious.

Besides, the people at Waco were demonized. Have you ever really tried to get the masses to look into anything where the victims "deserved it"? Bloody disaster that is.
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


You're not talking about reality there, you're talking about mind control. Of course, the official 911 story is an example of mind control too so you're battling mind control either way.

I would have chosen the path that didn't involve being labeled "conspiracy theorists" because that compounds the problem. It's double mind control (the official story + the conspiracy theorist label).

Imagine movies like "Loose Change" being put out about Waco instead of 911. There are a few out there and I find them gut-wrenching and tragic. If the entire 911 truth community were putting their energy behind exposing Waco and similar tragedies it just would have been so much easier to recruit people because again you're dealing with facts rather than "conspiracy theories."
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Re: Why can't the truth movement just focus on TRUTH?
Because if they told the 'truth' and did some actual research they would not be able to pocket tens of thousands of dollars a year from saps who want to believe. The movement is on its last legs and wont be long until people like Richard Gage are asked to pay the money back.
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Re: Why can't the truth movement just focus on TRUTH?
Because if they told the 'truth' and did some actual research they would not be able to pocket tens of thousands of dollars a year from saps who want to believe. The movement is on its last legs and wont be long until people like Richard Gage are asked to pay the money back.
 Quoting: SheldonCooper


Right, it's easier to keep people enthralled with speculation than actual truth.
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Re: Why can't the truth movement just focus on TRUTH?
Because if they told the 'truth' and did some actual research they would not be able to pocket tens of thousands of dollars a year from saps who want to believe. The movement is on its last legs and wont be long until people like Richard Gage are asked to pay the money back.
 Quoting: SheldonCooper


look. we all know what happened.

the truth movement worked.

the truth got out.

everyone I know has heard the theories.

and we all saw what happened.

NO ONE CARES.

The truth movement isn't dying because it didn't succeed. It is dying because it was based on the faulty premise that if people found out they would give a #$%&. Now we know. They don't.

There is nothing more people can do by blowing whistles.
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Re: Why can't the truth movement just focus on TRUTH?
Because if they told the 'truth' and did some actual research they would not be able to pocket tens of thousands of dollars a year from saps who want to believe. The movement is on its last legs and wont be long until people like Richard Gage are asked to pay the money back.
 Quoting: SheldonCooper


Right, it's easier to keep people enthralled with speculation than actual truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27434556


Sensationalism sells, go to your biggest bookstore and try and find a book on the JFK assassination written by an academic historian.
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Re: Why can't the truth movement just focus on TRUTH?
Because if they told the 'truth' and did some actual research they would not be able to pocket tens of thousands of dollars a year from saps who want to believe. The movement is on its last legs and wont be long until people like Richard Gage are asked to pay the money back.
 Quoting: SheldonCooper


look. we all know what happened.

the truth movement worked.

the truth got out.

everyone I know has heard the theories.

and we all saw what happened.

NO ONE CARES.

The truth movement isn't dying because it didn't succeed. It is dying because it was based on the faulty premise that if people found out they would give a #$%&. Now we know. They don't.

There is nothing more people can do by blowing whistles.
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It didnt work, the silly little movement couldnt agree on what it believed and people laugh at the documentaries.
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Re: Why can't the truth movement just focus on TRUTH?
The truth movement isn't dying because it didn't succeed. It is dying because it was based on the faulty premise that if people found out they would give a #$%&. Now we know. They don't.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21926154


^^^^ THIS

I was telling someone the other day that when I finally dug up the truth regarding my own search, that I was expecting some sort of curtain to lift and the actors to come out and take a bow for an encore. But instead all I ended up with was a mostly finished puzzle and waning enthusiasm.
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"The truth about 9/11 is that we don't KNOW the truth about 9/11, and we should. There is mounting evidence of possible complicity by elements of our own government. If they have nothing to hide, why are they hiding everything? Why are they hiding audiotapes of FAA and NORAD controllers? Why are they hiding videotapes of whatever hit the Pentagon? Why are they hiding the black boxes? Why did they destroy most of the forensic evidence which appears to show that three buildings at the World Trade Center were brought down by thermite demolition charges? The above are but a tiny fraction of the unanswered questions not even raised by those who "investigated" the 9/11 tragedy. The most unbelievable of all the conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11 is the OFFICIAL conspiracy theory told us by our government."

Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, Ret.
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Re: Why can't the truth movement just focus on TRUTH?
The truth movement isn't dying because it didn't succeed. It is dying because it was based on the faulty premise that if people found out they would give a #$%&. Now we know. They don't.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21926154


^^^^ THIS

I was telling someone the other day that when I finally dug up the truth regarding my own search, that I was expecting some sort of curtain to lift and the actors to come out and take a bow for an encore. But instead all I ended up with was a mostly finished puzzle and waning enthusiasm.
 Quoting: The Light Under the Door


The truth in my opinion is something like "They Live." The entire pyramid is possessed by interdenominational entities from the top to the bottom. It makes sense when you look at it that way. People throughout the pyramid have the same evil basic behaviors, interests, and desires, they're all possessed by the same forces.

To put it another way: Satan is a borg entity and that entity includes pretty much everyone in the pyramid from the top of it to the bottom of it.
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Re: Why can't the truth movement just focus on TRUTH?
Because if they told the 'truth' and did some actual research they would not be able to pocket tens of thousands of dollars a year from saps who want to believe. The movement is on its last legs and wont be long until people like Richard Gage are asked to pay the money back.
 Quoting: SheldonCooper


look. we all know what happened.

the truth movement worked.

the truth got out.

everyone I know has heard the theories.

and we all saw what happened.

NO ONE CARES.

The truth movement isn't dying because it didn't succeed. It is dying because it was based on the faulty premise that if people found out they would give a #$%&. Now we know. They don't.

There is nothing more people can do by blowing whistles.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21926154


What's the point of the conspiracy forums then, is it just a big group therapy session?
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Re: Why can't the truth movement just focus on TRUTH?
"The truth about 9/11 is that we don't KNOW the truth about 9/11, and we should. There is mounting evidence of possible complicity by elements of our own government. If they have nothing to hide, why are they hiding everything? Why are they hiding audiotapes of FAA and NORAD controllers? Why are they hiding videotapes of whatever hit the Pentagon? Why are they hiding the black boxes? Why did they destroy most of the forensic evidence which appears to show that three buildings at the World Trade Center were brought down by thermite demolition charges? The above are but a tiny fraction of the unanswered questions not even raised by those who "investigated" the 9/11 tragedy. The most unbelievable of all the conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11 is the OFFICIAL conspiracy theory told us by our government."

Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, Ret.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25260217


There's tons of smoke and tons of fire but most of it gets brushed over with the "conspiracy theorist" brush.

It's sad that it worked out that way.
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Re: Why can't the truth movement just focus on TRUTH?
people laugh at the documentaries.
 Quoting: SheldonCooper


I wasn't aware people laugh at the documentaries, why is that?
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Re: Why can't the truth movement just focus on TRUTH?
people laugh at the documentaries.
 Quoting: SheldonCooper


I wasn't aware people laugh at the documentaries, why is that?
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because Sheldon is a well-known shill who jumps onto any thread like this. ignore him.
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gaah
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