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andreidita
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one has to decide if he chooses free will or if he chooses to be well.
in the first case, one incurs full responsibility of his choices and actions, for better or worse.
in the second, case one we be well but will not be at liberty to do what he wants, and would not be good for him.

some souls are not prepared for full free will responsibility, so they would be wise in choosing the second option. and many do, religious worship is a prime example of choosing this.

unfortunately, there are many which are not in a position to use free will wisely, but are so addicted to some things/desires/a false concept of 'freedom' that they insist they choose free will. and in their case this is a sure ticket to the hard way of suffering
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unfortunately, there are many which are not in a position to use free will wisely,
 Quoting: andreidita


Who are you to judge who should have free will or not?

Until you have walked the full length of a Man's journey in life, born his hardships, felt his pain, endured with what he had been given, YOU have no right to judge them.

Did you fashion a Man with YOUR hands? Did YOU breath YOUR life into them?

Rather than be the one placing stones in the path of one using his own free will, why not be one to help him move the one's away that are already in his path?

The only one who should EVER have his free will stripped, is the one who wants the free will of another to be limited.

Don't you know, YOU are gods?

No one wants to be restricted.

It is innate to want to be free.

It is how we were made.

We all have unique talents which we were born with.

That is all that divides us.

These are not who we are though, but rather what gifts we were given by our common creator.

With the freedom we were given and the talents bestowed on us, Oh what we could do, if we did it in celebration of the great gifts.

With Love,

Your Brother
andreidita (OP)

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i do not judge who should have or not free will. where do you see that?
that is why it is a decision, because everyone has the right to free will. but many love life more than free will. i was just stating simple facts
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11/10/2012 06:27 PM
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Why would loving life preclude having free will?
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Your only choice is

Believing in Jesus Christ and repenting from your sins. And even that wont be enough, because you have to change and addapt a package full of things.

Keep commandments.
Avoid sin.
Love people.
Be humble.
Be charitable.

There is a long list of things you need to know and change, IF YOU HAVE TIME.



Everything else just means you made the wrong choice and the consequences will be the same.
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Free will is a meaningless concept.
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Free will is a choice given by God to test your limitations...We have to learn to be humble above all the freedom we have and serve God...
andreidita (OP)

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Your only choice is

Believing in Jesus Christ and repenting from your sins. And even that wont be enough, because you have to change and addapt a package full of things.

Keep commandments.
Avoid sin.
Love people.
Be humble.
Be charitable.

There is a long list of things you need to know and change, IF YOU HAVE TIME.



Everything else just means you made the wrong choice and the consequences will be the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27473254


i am pretty tired by your kind. You do not walk the path of Jesus Christ.
you repeat like a parrot words that do not understand and ways that you do not practice.
and this shows by the emanations that you spread with your words.
you are not humble, you are not charitable. you enter into someone else space and spread your judgments and hate toward other human beings. that you do not know and do not bother to understand. but nevertheless you interfere.
better watch for your own sins. and let others alone.
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i am pretty tired by your kind. You do not walk the path of Jesus Christ.
you repeat like a parrot words that do not understand and ways that you do not practice.
and this shows by the emanations that you spread with your words.
you are not humble, you are not charitable. you enter into someone else space and spread your judgments and hate toward other human beings. that you do not know and do not bother to understand. but nevertheless you interfere.
better watch for your own sins. and let others alone.
 Quoting: andreidita


clapping


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Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
andreidita (OP)

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Free will is a meaningless concept.
 Quoting: omar


do you have a list with concepts that have meaning? please share. contribute something constructive. not a meaningless phrase that does not add anything to nothing

Last Edited by andreidita on 11/10/2012 08:23 PM
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i really didnt understand your point
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Keep commandments.
Avoid sin.
Love people.
Be humble.
Be charitable.

I am happy to follow these simple guidelines, because it is a pleasure to love just to see others happy. This causes a ripple effect.
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Why would loving life preclude having free will?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27376402


it does not preclude it.

imagine on one hand a life full of joy, with everything taken care of, where you see your children grow etc but a life where you need to respect basic rules which are devised for your own good. like not being allowed to smoke.

imagine on the other hand a life where you can decide everything you want to do according to your own spirit/consciousness. without any rules imposed upon you from outside. you have complete freedom to decide anything, but you incur full responsibility for your actions, for better or for worse.

you start with free will. and you have to decide between these 2 paths. in first you renounce complete free will and get a fulfilled life according with your vision of 'good'. in the second you keep free-will, and you are fully responsible for everything you do.

what do you choose?
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i really didnt understand your point
 Quoting: aquamah


i detailed it in the post above
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Keep commandments.
Avoid sin.
Love people.
Be humble.
Be charitable.

I am happy to follow these simple guidelines, because it is a pleasure to love just to see others happy. This causes a ripple effect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25567776


:) this shows how the same exact words can carry a totally different truth.

for the simple fact that truth is demonstrated in life, in every action. and words can just express a truth lived. one who lives in charity, communicates in a charitable way with others. and so the words vibrate alive with the truth they express.

otherwise, they are just dead signs which care upon them the stench of death and decay.

but on the face of it, they can as well be exactly the same words
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For me, I choose freewill, because I already found my true self. Once there, you can never go back to the old ways, because it would be like a dog returning and eating his old vomit.
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Thread: Rewrite

Last Edited by ^Isaac^ on 11/10/2012 08:39 PM
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Your only choice is

Believing in Jesus Christ and repenting from your sins. And even that wont be enough, because you have to change and addapt a package full of things.

Keep commandments.
Avoid sin.
Love people.
Be humble.
Be charitable.

There is a long list of things you need to know and change, IF YOU HAVE TIME.



Everything else just means you made the wrong choice and the consequences will be the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27473254


I hear jesus cant save you now.
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For me, I choose freewill, because I already found my true self. Once there, you can never go back to the old ways, because it would be like a dog returning and eating his old vomit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25567776


and in this sense it is funny than at different points upon one's path there is only one correct answer.

as you say once you find your true self, you can choose only free will. truly. and at the same time the outside rules, are already freely-chosen by your true self.

on the other hand, one who still staggers with his own weaknesses, will readily say that he chooses free will, when in truth he would be well advised to choose the other option, and the weakness in him whispers in his ear to choose free will, such that he will continue in his weakness.
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Free will is a choice given by God to test your limitations...We have to learn to be humble above all the freedom we have and serve God...
 Quoting: nobody 362179


um...... your free? okay.... you just miss all of the invisible bars around you.....

thats fine though.... its really hard to see them.......
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Free Will if it means death...
andreidita (OP)

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 Quoting: izaak2


all past is just a bit in the infinity of the Future.

all prophecies combined are just an unimaginative option in the infinite realm of imagination.

it only takes those daring to dream the undreamable yet
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For me, I choose freewill, because I already found my true self. Once there, you can never go back to the old ways, because it would be like a dog returning and eating his old vomit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25567776


and in this sense it is funny than at different points upon one's path there is only one correct answer.

as you say once you find your true self, you can choose only free will. truly. and at the same time the outside rules, are already freely-chosen by your true self.

on the other hand, one who still staggers with his own weaknesses, will readily say that he chooses free will, when in truth he would be well advised to choose the other option, and the weakness in him whispers in his ear to choose free will, such that he will continue in his weakness.
 Quoting: andreidita


For me, I choose freewill, because I already found my true self. Once there, you can never go back to the old ways, because it would be like a dog returning and eating his old vomit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25567776


and in this sense it is funny than at different points upon one's path there is only one correct answer.

as you say once you find your true self, you can choose only free will. truly. and at the same time the outside rules, are already freely-chosen by your true self.

on the other hand, one who still staggers with his own weaknesses, will readily say that he chooses free will, when in truth he would be well advised to choose the other option, and the weakness in him whispers in his ear to choose free will, such that he will continue in his weakness.
 Quoting: andreidita

I see...
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Free will is a choice given by God to test your limitations...We have to learn to be humble above all the freedom we have and serve God...
 Quoting: nobody 362179


um...... your free? okay.... you just miss all of the invisible bars around you.....

thats fine though.... its really hard to see them.......
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23410367


is the bird free when it flies high into the sky?
is the fish free when it swims deep into the ocean?
is the spirit free when it journeys into the endless universe?
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 Quoting: izaak2


all past is just a bit in the infinity of the Future.

all prophecies combined are just an unimaginative option in the infinite realm of imagination.

it only takes those daring to dream the undreamable yet
 Quoting: andreidita


I'm tired of dreaming I will be now...
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imo, the problem isn't free will vs. rules. choices posed in THIS vs. THAT - ONE or THE OTHER are the problem. choices like that attract and make extremism and extremists.

op sounds like patrick henry before the revolution.

an interesting fact - only ONE of the signers of the US declaration of independence died of war wounds in the revolution. and, he was killed by one of his own men.

but, they were a bunch of wealthy slave owners who liked to shout slogans along the lines of the op - give me liberty or give me death.


why is this so hard for some?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Some breathed in again ...n
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imo, the problem isn't free will vs. rules. choices posed in THIS vs. THAT - ONE or THE OTHER are the problem. choices like that attract and make extremism and extremists.

op sounds like patrick henry before the revolution.

an interesting fact - only ONE of the signers of the US declaration of independence died of war wounds in the revolution. and, he was killed by one of his own men.

but, they were a bunch of wealthy slave owners who liked to shout slogans along the lines of the op - give me liberty or give me death.


why is this so hard for some?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Neoanderthal Man


Why cant i hit the shade.
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Long live me, the king
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Nm i don't know me atm.
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Why would loving life preclude having free will?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27376402


it does not preclude it.

imagine on one hand a life full of joy, with everything taken care of, where you see your children grow etc but a life where you need to respect basic rules which are devised for your own good. like not being allowed to smoke.

imagine on the other hand a life where you can decide everything you want to do according to your own spirit/consciousness. without any rules imposed upon you from outside. you have complete freedom to decide anything, but you incur full responsibility for your actions, for better or for worse.

you start with free will. and you have to decide between these 2 paths. in first you renounce complete free will and get a fulfilled life according with your vision of 'good'. in the second you keep free-will, and you are fully responsible for everything you do.

what do you choose?
 Quoting: andreidita



Offhand and without thinking this through very clearly, I think a combination of both concepts would be my preference.

One question about the first scenario:
"you need to respect basic rules which are devised for your own good" ------ Who decides?
"Who decides?"
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