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Safely Preserving eggs without a fridge.

 
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Unwashed they will last on the self in a cool room for about 9 months.
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Are you sure about that? 9 months seems a long time. I don't think I would eat a 9 month old egg.

And anyway, why do eggs have a use-by date of only a few days if that's the case?
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Try one a hundred years old.
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Unwashed they will last on the self in a cool room for about 9 months.
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Are you sure about that? 9 months seems a long time. I don't think I would eat a 9 month old egg.

And anyway, why do eggs have a use-by date of only a few days if that's the case?
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Did you READ the initial post? OP tells you why.
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I just pulled some eggs out that I packed fresh over two years ago. The yolks broke as I put them in the bowl and a few were a bit dry on the top (I did Not flip them over in all that time), but they were good for cooking and scrambling.

These were packed within 24 hours of being laid. I do not pack soiled eggs, so the nests are kept in fresh hay to limit this. As OP said, don't wash them either.

I keep a bowl of butter (one stick) well mixed with a heaping tablespoon of salt in the shed next to the coop. I also have a trashcan full of bran (for horses) and a stack of those stryo meat shipping coolers handy. When the eggs are gathered during the spring and summer when the hens are laying heavily, I roll all I don't plan on using the next morning in the salted butter and pack small end down in a cooler. Just line them up neatly in a couple of inches deep bran, making sure they do not touch the box or each other. Cover completely when you have a full layer and begin the next one on top until full.

If I plan on keeping them very long though, I do rotate them at 6 months... as in: get another cooler and restack from old to new, which rotates the oldest eggs to the top. Be sure to date the box with start and finish, then I seal mine with tape to keep out bugs since I use bran instead of plaster of paris or salt (much cheaper and you can feed to the animals when you empty the box).

This cooler got moved and forgotten, so it worked out as a good experiment. They were packed in July 2010, so about 2 1/2 years, and I only found 3 bad ones out of nearly 6 dozen.

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mineral oil (you will find this in the pharmacy section with the laxatives and such) You will need plastic gloves, DO NOT get the oil on you! This goes double for females.

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Please explain this...
I used mineral oil all the time, I do not believe it has the ability to enter the skin.
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I wondered about that myself. Why not touch mineral oil?
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I just pulled some eggs out that I packed fresh over two years ago. The yolks broke as I put them in the bowl and a few were a bit dry on the top (I did Not flip them over in all that time), but they were good for cooking and scrambling.

These were packed within 24 hours of being laid. I do not pack soiled eggs, so the nests are kept in fresh hay to limit this. As OP said, don't wash them either.

I keep a bowl of butter (one stick) well mixed with a heaping tablespoon of salt in the shed next to the coop. I also have a trashcan full of bran (for horses) and a stack of those stryo meat shipping coolers handy. When the eggs are gathered during the spring and summer when the hens are laying heavily, I roll all I don't plan on using the next morning in the salted butter and pack small end down in a cooler. Just line them up neatly in a couple of inches deep bran, making sure they do not touch the box or each other. Cover completely when you have a full layer and begin the next one on top until full.

If I plan on keeping them very long though, I do rotate them at 6 months... as in: get another cooler and restack from old to new, which rotates the oldest eggs to the top. Be sure to date the box with start and finish, then I seal mine with tape to keep out bugs since I use bran instead of plaster of paris or salt (much cheaper and you can feed to the animals when you empty the box).

This cooler got moved and forgotten, so it worked out as a good experiment. They were packed in July 2010, so about 2 1/2 years, and I only found 3 bad ones out of nearly 6 dozen.

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Out standing! We always end up using them or trading them faster than that , but I am thrilled to hear this!
Do you make your own butter as well? I was thinking about doing a thread on that at some point.

And if you make your own butter do you also make cheese? If so do you use part of the whey for your hens? We always fed a bit of whey to the hens. The reason I was told was to "hep keep ta' egg healthy".
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mineral oil (you will find this in the pharmacy section with the laxatives and such) You will need plastic gloves, DO NOT get the oil on you! This goes double for females.

 Quoting: Plenty Paws



Please explain this...
I used mineral oil all the time, I do not believe it has the ability to enter the skin.
 Quoting: El Tiburon


I wondered about that myself. Why not touch mineral oil?
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Though baby oil is mostly mineral oil ( we never used it my great grandparents would not allow such a thing) The reason I find is that it seems it could cause a hormone imbalance. In short for me it comes down to doing or not doing what my great grand mother said.
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mineral oil (you will find this in the pharmacy section with the laxatives and such) You will need plastic gloves, DO NOT get the oil on you! This goes double for females.

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Please explain this...
I used mineral oil all the time, I do not believe it has the ability to enter the skin.
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Any and all chemical can enter the skin. I took a OSHA class and found out that a dick is a wick. You get chemicals an your hand and then hold your dick to pee,the chemicals will travel through the thin skin on your dick into your body faster than the skin on your hands.
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Out standing! We always end up using them or trading them faster than that , but I am thrilled to hear this!
Do you make your own butter as well? I was thinking about doing a thread on that at some point.

And if you make your own butter do you also make cheese? If so do you use part of the whey for your hens? We always fed a bit of whey to the hens. The reason I was told was to "hep keep ta' egg healthy".
 Quoting: Plenty Paws


Having a milk cow is too expensive for us due to having to buy feed, but I have made cheese with our goats' milk and yes to the whey for chickens and even soured milk or old yogurt. They love it!

I think it does help with nutrition, but the old reasons for doing it (strong shells, mostly) are offset by drying, crushing and feeding some of the shells back to the flock. That keeps me from having to buy oyster shell to feed them too. If I have cracked or otherwise marginally bad eggs, I also scramble them lightly and give with their feed.

My hens are all genuine free range so they get plenty of bugs in season. In the dead of winter I add a little suet and meat to their diet. Another good practice is to provide (I use food grade) diatomaceous earth in a dusting bin and keep the nests and coop well dusted too... super healthy chooks and not a mite, bug or bad odor anywhere! lol Clean the coop twice a year and put the litter in the compost pile or till into the winter fallow ground for added bonus.

Circle of life... gotta love it!
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Thank you so much for the info. This is the kind of stuff that needs to be posted, and often.
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Yes you can do this. Most people that keep their own hens know this. However those that do not have their own hens can still take advantage of store sale this way as well as helping with prepping.

Right now our local Aldi has eggs at .29 per dozen. But really who has room for 10 dz eggs in their fridge? Not only that but unprepared store bought eggs will go bad rapidly after the power goes down. If you would like to have a nice over easy egg out of your handy black iron skillet over an open fire when the world has a hiccup here is what you need to do.

The thing that keeps eggs from going bad on the shelf long term with out the use of refrigeration is what is called the bloom. This is a thin layer of coating that keep oxygen from penetrating the shell. When you wash an egg after the hen has laid it you wash that off. Don't wash fresh laid eggs until you are going to use them. Unwashed they will last on the self in a cool room for about 9 months.

Now store bought eggs are washed, so what you need to do is replace the bloom. The way you do this is with mineral oil (you will find this in the pharmacy section with the laxatives and such) You will need plastic gloves, DO NOT get the oil on you! This goes double for females.
Take your eggs out of the carton pour some oil in a dish then use a little oil to coat the ENTIRE egg. It does not have to be a thick coating but it must be ALL over. No tiny little spots missed. Then put your eggs little end down in your carton. Date the carton and gently flip it on to it's other side every month until you use it. You need to store it in a cool room, in the mid to upper 60's.
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Well, if your backyard chicken eggs bloom is supposed to keep the air out, why do old eggs stand on end when put in water?
Also, why can't you touch mineral oil? I use it for my chickens on occassion and I know it is used for constipation. So why would it be unsafe to touch?
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Having a milk cow is too expensive for us due to having to buy feed, but I have made cheese with our goats' milk and yes to the whey for chickens and even soured milk or old yogurt. They love it!

I think it does help with nutrition, but the old reasons for doing it (strong shells, mostly) are offset by drying, crushing and feeding some of the shells back to the flock. That keeps me from having to buy oyster shell to feed them too. If I have cracked or otherwise marginally bad eggs, I also scramble them lightly and give with their feed.

My hens are all genuine free range so they get plenty of bugs in season. In the dead of winter I add a little suet and meat to their diet. Another good practice is to provide (I use food grade) diatomaceous earth in a dusting bin and keep the nests and coop well dusted too... super healthy chooks and not a mite, bug or bad odor anywhere! lol Clean the coop twice a year and put the litter in the compost pile or till into the winter fallow ground for added bonus.

Circle of life... gotta love it!
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You can make butter from goat milk too. It takes a bit more but it has a lovely flavor. And some of the best cheese and sorbet ever!

Yep shells go back to the hens but we wash them first. damaged eggs to the pigs.

And aren't hens funny in their dust baths?

Cows for milk do cost a bit more as for most cattle you can feed 8 goats for the same cost. But I am a big believer in heritage breeds, Dexter cattle! Not the new messed up kind but the true old world duel purpose breed. They are smaller and hardier in our climate than most stock. Now in TX or places like that I would go for a zebu. But it gets too cold here in winter for a zebu to be comfortable. And stock far out of it's comfort zone takes more care and feed.

What kind of goats do you have? My choice are American alpine, la Mancha, and Kiko along with the token sable. I want golden Guernsey and Arapawa .
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Well, if your backyard chicken eggs bloom is supposed to keep the air out, why do old eggs stand on end when put in water?
Also, why can't you touch mineral oil? I use it for my chickens on occassion and I know it is used for constipation. So why would it be unsafe to touch?
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They will slowly became oxygenated , faster if you store them in low humidity. However standing end up in a dish of water is still good, so long as they don't out right float.


Here is a link that might help explain about the touching of the oil .

[link to www.buzzle.com]
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You can make butter from goat milk too. It takes a bit more but it has a lovely flavor. And some of the best cheese and sorbet ever!
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What kind of goats do you have? My choice are American alpine, la Mancha, and Kiko along with the token sable. I want golden Guernsey and Arapawa .
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Well now, I should have said "Had" in place of all the "haves"... I've recently moved and will have to totally restock the stock :) Different (harsher) climate requires a few different practices and breeds.

I had a couple of Alpine/Saaran cross does, but will need to go to a heat hardier breed with smaller bags. The ground is rocky and there are a lot of rip and tear sorts of plants here that are hard on large, low hanging teats. There is a popular mixed breed in use here that is small, tougher than nails and seems to live on rock and cactus spines... Will need 3 to meet the milk production of One of my previous nannies though!

Same with the chickens... Orpingtons would have issues with the heat in combination with their tendency to get fat. Rhode Island Reds do okay (I hear) along with White Leghorns. I'm thinking of trying Ameracunas though, because they have a wilder nature and are leaner and hardier, thus more likely to survive the heat and coyotes and coy-dogs I've seen here already. They are just deadly on the snakes too, which is a huge benefit.

Right now, I am working on the winter garden. Not much good soil available, so lots of time and hard work rocking up some planting beds and trips to the seasonal creek for soil I can work with. lol I just hope I can get it all done before the real weather sets in!

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If you can find good quality Nubians (no pendulous funnel udders) They are a hardy heat tolerant breed. They do not give as much milk but it is richer so takes less to make cheese ( like a kinder) La mancha seem to do ok in the heat for the most part though why I do not understand as they do not have the ears for it.

Hot weather hens you are likely right on with your choice. But hey now you could have a zebu :) !!

Coy are more problem here than are full on coyotes.

Bonus for winter garden that does not need a green house.

These do very well in the heat >>>
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Oh and if you could get them in this country, the best goat for your climate would be the Jamnapari. I would LOVE to have some of the ugly things but can't get them and I am afraid they would not make a winter here. But they were one of the breeds used to build the anglo nubian.

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A french simple recipe, when our grannys had no fridge.

Take a clean box, fill the bottom with dry sand. Put the eggs and gently recover them with sand. They must be well burried in the sand, it will preserve them to be corrupted by oxygen, and they can be good during two months.

Store in a cool place.
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mineral oil (you will find this in the pharmacy section with the laxatives and such) You will need plastic gloves, DO NOT get the oil on you! This goes double for females.

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Please explain this...
I used mineral oil all the time, I do not believe it has the ability to enter the skin.
 Quoting: El Tiburon


I wondered about that myself. Why not touch mineral oil?
 Quoting: INK3


[link to www.buzzle.com]

Though baby oil is mostly mineral oil ( we never used it my great grandparents would not allow such a thing) The reason I find is that it seems it could cause a hormone imbalance. In short for me it comes down to doing or not doing what my great grand mother said.
 Quoting: Plenty Paws


I've used mineral oil on my wooden cutting boards all my life (got that from my mother). I think that in the past, mineral oil was made out of different things with the claim of being mineral oil and some was probably toxic. Today's mineral oil is a petroleum byproduct. The less refined is considered a slight carcinogen. You can purchase food grade mineral oil which some people use as a laxative. Mostly it's used for the cutting board thing and in cosmetics and a few candies as a shiny coating.
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I've used mineral oil on my wooden cutting boards all my life (got that from my mother). I think that in the past, mineral oil was made out of different things with the claim of being mineral oil and some was probably toxic. Today's mineral oil is a petroleum byproduct. The less refined is considered a slight carcinogen. You can purchase food grade mineral oil which some people use as a laxative. Mostly it's used for the cutting board thing and in cosmetics and a few candies as a shiny coating.
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The link up there is talking about use of mineral oil in cosmetics being linked to hormone imbalance. But I am a big believer in do as thou will. I use salt on my cutting boards to scrub them then olive oil. We learn new things from each other all the time yes?
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wowie nice thread....when i was a lil girl, my gramm always kept a bowl of eggs on the kitchen counter. hence the name, "egg bowls" of which i have a couple because they are so pretty. love these threads for some good ol info..thanks op...
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wowie nice thread....when i was a lil girl, my gramm always kept a bowl of eggs on the kitchen counter. hence the name, "egg bowls" of which i have a couple because they are so pretty. love these threads for some good ol info..thanks op...
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Glad you like the thread, and yes aren't egg bowls just lovely ! And thank you.


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Nice link, It is very close to the way we make them.
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What about pickled eggs? I've never had one but I've seen them stored in jars, but I don't know how long for.

And if you wash them, can you still taste the vinegar? I mean, does it soak into the egg so that the egg tastes like a pickle?
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If you're okay with beets, try pickled eggs and beets. The beet juice is slightly sweet and will give it slightly different taste. If you want a kick to it, add in some jalapenos. It does taste a bit different.. but a good different in my opinion.
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Another thing to try is making a jerky mix using whipped eggs and then dehydrating. Store in vacuum packed canning cars in a cool dark place. You can pack a bunch of eggs in one canning jar when processed like this. The shelf life is in years.
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Another thing to try is making a jerky mix using whipped eggs and then dehydrating. Store in vacuum packed canning cars in a cool dark place. You can pack a bunch of eggs in one canning jar when processed like this. The shelf life is in years.
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Do you have a recipe? I was going to do a jerky thread, based on one type I make with ground meat. I would be interested in the egg whip jerky.
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great info!!!
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I've used mineral oil on my wooden cutting boards all my life (got that from my mother). I think that in the past, mineral oil was made out of different things with the claim of being mineral oil and some was probably toxic. Today's mineral oil is a petroleum byproduct. The less refined is considered a slight carcinogen. You can purchase food grade mineral oil which some people use as a laxative. Mostly it's used for the cutting board thing and in cosmetics and a few candies as a shiny coating.
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The link up there is talking about use of mineral oil in cosmetics being linked to hormone imbalance. But I am a big believer in do as thou will. I use salt on my cutting boards to scrub them then olive oil. We learn new things from each other all the time yes?
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Ever think to spray cutting boards with hydrogen peroxide and let it dry?
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Ever think to spray cutting boards with hydrogen peroxide and let it dry?
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Nope I have never tried that.
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That does remind me. Those of you that will be buying your eggs from a store, look at the dates on the carton and try to the get the freshest eggs you can find.

Oh and eggs stored like this for any length of time are not good for whipping. They can be used for anything else but they don't whip worth a hoot.

If there is much interest in this sort of subject I will try to do a couple of topics a week maybe. And if there were to be interest I could maybe do some on herbs for like health care.
Perhaps something on Tawing hides.....
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I am a clinical herbalist. I tried doing a thread taking questions about herbs and got a bane for my trouble.
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Really? Wow. Did you do the mile long disclaimer before hand? I was not going to go in depth. More like simple things. Plantain, willow bark, skullcap, spoonwort. My great grandfather was a "cuny man" so it was a learn at the knee thing for us growing up. My great grandmother ( his wife) was a midwife ( now against the law in my state) so they kind of both had a lot of herbal stuff going on as well as some other things) What most now days would call folk lore or in some cases witch craft.
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Yes, I did the standard disclaimer I use for my online store, and then some. While I did try to protect the board, I guess the mods just didn't want to take the risk.

Interesting about your family. My wife is a homebirth midwife, and I am a male apprentice. It was seeing how well herbs worked for her clients that got me turned on to medicinal plants and made me decide to go to herb school. The situation with homebirth in the US is appalling. For a while, my wife and I did some lobbying at the State level to try to make licensure fair, but we just could not compete with the state Medical Association. They had three or four pro lobbyists undercutting us the whole time. If you are interested, your state probably has a "friends of midwives" association. They are always organizing political actions and awareness campaigns.
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Yes, I did the standard disclaimer I use for my online store, and then some. While I did try to protect the board, I guess the mods just didn't want to take the risk.

Interesting about your family. My wife is a homebirth midwife, and I am a male apprentice. It was seeing how well herbs worked for her clients that got me turned on to medicinal plants and made me decide to go to herb school. The situation with homebirth in the US is appalling. For a while, my wife and I did some lobbying at the State level to try to make licensure fair, but we just could not compete with the state Medical Association. They had three or four pro lobbyists undercutting us the whole time. If you are interested, your state probably has a "friends of midwives" association. They are always organizing political actions and awareness campaigns.
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IN our state midwifery is a felony now. I do have friends that are midwives in neighboring states.

So the mods do not want any herbalist thread at all then? Wow I would think as the prepper movement is so strong here they would at least want a few basics.
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Great info thanks! hf
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