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Last night there were dueling versions of the Petraeus story....

In one version, she broke it off & he pursued her....In another, the FBI was investigating her for some sort of e-mail impropriety...

There was also the question of why the FBI was investigating the CIA Director...

Well, for the soap fans among us, the FBI just confirmed that Paula was the stalker....

And they also conveniently provided an explanation of why they were investigating Petraeus - his other mistress was intimidated. Oh, the FBI was also concerned that someone might be "impersonating" Petraeus.

This BS would be funny if these people weren't so powerful...

Here's the WaPo update -

The collapse of the dazzling career of CIA Director David H. Petraeus was triggered when a woman with whom he was having an affair sent threatening e-mails to another woman close to him, according to three senior law enforcement officials with knowledge of the episode.

The recipient of the e-mails was so frightened that she went to the FBI for protection and help tracking down the sender, according to the officials. The FBI investigation traced the threats to Paula Broadwell, a former military officer and a Petraeus biographer, and uncovered explicit e-mails between Broadwell and Petraeus, the officials said. . . .

I APOLOGIZE - Entire first post was deleted when I updated title - If I try to restore remaining portion entire post is again deleted - for full post see quote below...
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Another interesting tidbit from the article....

All the explicit e-mails were from his personal e-mail account (home computer)...Not even his gov't issued PC....

So, there wasn't even a "misuse of gov't assets"

Hacking into his home computer to see if he had been "spoofed"

And the alleged "spoofing" wasn't a business opportunity from the CIA Director or even Penis pills from Petraeus...

It involved a series of explicit e-mails sent between Petraeus & his official biographer... Someone he had a legitimate reason to contact....

They were really going after this guy...
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i had thought mossad may have been involved some how, cause to me she looks pretty jewey

it doesn't look like thats an issue though
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So now we get bombarded with details of old people sex?

Gross
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WaPo also explained why Petraeus's Gmail account had national security implications...(The Chinese might steal something...)

The e-mail account was apparently Petraeus’s personal Gmail, not his official CIA e-mail . . . That’s a big deal: Some of the most powerful foreign spy agencies in the world would love to have an opening, however small, into the personal e-mail account of the man who runs the United States’ spy service. . .

A personal e-mail account like Petraeus’s almost certainly would not have contained any high-level intelligence; he probably didn’t keep a list of secret drone-base coordinates on his Google docs account. But access to the account could have provided telling information on, for example, Petraeus’s travel schedule, his foreign contacts, even personal information about himself or other senior U.S. officials.

.... why the FBI’s counter-intelligence monitoring is so sensitive that just Broadwell’s access to his Gmail account triggered an investigation.

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]

bsflag bsflag bsflag

I used to think this guy was evil...But if a little consenting hanky-panky was all they could find on him....
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...Google Funny Platoon,just because it seems to be from here, doesn't mean its commanded from "here"...
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Last night there were dueling versions of the Petraeus story....

In one version, she broke it off & he pursued her....In another, the FBI was investigating her for some sort of e-mail impropriety...

There was also the question of why the FBI was investigating the CIA Director...

Well, for the soap fans among us, the FBI just confirmed that Paula was the stalker....

And they also conveniently provided an explanation of why they were investigating Petraeus - his other mistress was intimidated. Oh, the FBI was also concerned that someone might be "impersonating" Petraeus.

This BS would be funny if these people weren't so powerful...

Here's the WaPo update -

The collapse of the dazzling career of CIA Director David H. Petraeus was triggered when a woman with whom he was having an affair sent threatening e-mails to another woman close to him, according to three senior law enforcement officials with knowledge of the episode.

The recipient of the e-mails was so frightened that she went to the FBI for protection and help tracking down the sender, according to the officials. The FBI investigation traced the threats to Paula Broadwell, a former military officer and a Petraeus biographer, and uncovered explicit e-mails between Broadwell and Petraeus, the officials said. . . .

When Petraeus’s name first surfaced, FBI investigators were concerned that the CIA director’s personal e-mail account had been hacked and security had been breached. But the sexual nature of the e-mails led them to conclude that Petraeus and Broadwell were engaged in an affair, the officials said.

The identity of the woman who received the e-mails was not disclosed, and the nature of her relationship with Petraeus is unknown. The law enforcement officials said the e-mails indicated that Broadwell perceived the other woman as a threat to her relationship with Petraeus. . .

One of the law enforcement officials said Justice Department officials were unclear on what steps to take next because they had determined that there had been no crime and no breach of security....

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


DUDE this has NOTHING to do with an affair----- it's trying to distance from Obama and trying to avoid the tribunal----

OBAMA WILL BE IMPEACHED
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OP - it's not about an affair.
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More dirt...Still a set-up...

More confirmation that FBI was investigating her...

An FBI probe into emails sent by CIA director David Petraeus' biographer, Paula Broadwell, uncovered intimate messages from the former general in her inbox, which led to Petraeus turning in his resignation, a senior official told ABC News.

Petraeus' extramarital affair was discovered by the FBI after concerns about inappropriate emails sent to people who are associated with (Petraeus)...

The emails were traced to Broadwell's computer, where investigators found intimate emails from the CIA director....

Petraeus, then working as a general in Afghanistan, spent a year in close quarters with Broadwell, a 40-year-old married mother of two who embedded with him to write his biography. . .

[link to abcnews.go.com]
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


"Embedded" indeed. He blew it. Keep it zipped up. This is the Cyber World. JFK would not survive a minute in today's world...not that he did in his...but you get the point.
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One of the officials said that the recipient of the e-mails complained to Petraeus about them and that the FBI later obtained e-mails between Petraeus and Broadwell in which they discussed the harassment.

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]


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So now we get bombarded with details of old people sex?

Gross
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Only on one side, Paula is pretty hot.
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Petraeus still "essential" to Libya hearings, King says

Former CIA director David Petraeus' resignation Friday amid an extramarital affair has "nothing to do" with his plan to testify on the Sept. 11 attack on a U.S. consulate in Libya, House Homeland Security chair Peter King, R-N.Y., said, adding that the retired general's testimony is "essential."

"David Petraeus testifying has nothing to do with whether or not he's still the CIA director, and I don't see how the CIA can say he's not going to testify," King said Friday night on CNN.

[link to www.cbsnews.com]
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I think there is probably another mistress out there.
Who has he been jogging with lately.
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Idiots, this is benghazi cover up. Don't fall for these many stories and theories. Its about benghazi.
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It is in the news today that she broke up with him OP. He continually sent her emails even though she was gone. He stalked her basically after the fact. It is on the UK daily mail site right now, top news.

All in all he is much older than her and went after her, he knew better and did it anyhow. Plus there is some gossip that she is far from the only one.
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None of this can be verified so Petraeus can still testify with his embedded credibility on Benghazi fully intact.

Reputation assassination will hurt Obama far more than Petraeus.

There's no doubt Obama had to know everything about this total surveillance attack on Petraeus.

Who the hell cares how many mistresses Petraeus had ? Its ridiculous. This wasn't a threat to national security, it was his private life.

Petraeus has to testify now.
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Idiots, this is benghazi cover up. Don't fall for these many stories and theories. Its about benghazi.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27474721


This thread begins with a post saying the "new information" is BS...

There are several posts that explain why the revelations are BS (One even has BS flags)....

No one has disagreed with any of the BS calls...In fact, several have specifically said "this is not about an affair"

This is not about an affair. This is NOT about Benghazi.

This is far bigger than Benghazi...

Here are some of my threads for background (if you are interested)...The Mali thread is a good starting point...

Thread: Watch as it Develops - The Staged War Against Islamists in Northern Mali

Thread: Bani Walid Destroyed - 11/11/2012 - Militias Make Presidential House Call - He Won't Resign (Yet)
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I think this following information is getting closer to the truth. Check it out,

[link to www.wnd.com]
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So now we get bombarded with details of old people sex?

Gross
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Far cough, plonker.
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It is in the news today that she broke up with him OP. He continually sent her emails even though she was gone. He stalked her basically after the fact. It is on the UK daily mail site right now, top news.

All in all he is much older than her and went after her, he knew better and did it anyhow. Plus there is some gossip that she is far from the only one.
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There were two versions of this story from the outset...

The liberal version was that she was the stalker...It was on Slate last night...

The conservative version was he was the stalker...It was on foxnews last night..

I've cited Washington Post & NY Times b/c, whatever you think of them, they are the papers of record for America's political & economic elite.

It's also known that ABC agency whistleblowers air their dirty laundry in the two official papers. When it's ABC agency disinformation, they usually use papers outside New York/DC (sometimes outside US) - so they don't look like the source...

The two versions may have been sloppy reporting BUT several people told me that they are symptoms of the war going on in DC right now. Some want Petraeus totally humiliated; others not so much...

Anyway, the Washington Post article (original post) discusses three FBI officials who were sources of their report. This means their version was provided by an official (but unnamed) source, and then confirmed by two other official (but unnamed) sources...

That's SOP for these types of stories. This is the official version of events. Doesn't mean that it's correct - but it is the official version right now...
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i had thought mossad may have been involved some how, cause to me she looks pretty jewey

it doesn't look like thats an issue though
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No, you thought Mossad may have been involved because you think they are involved in everything.
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Speaking of old people doing it....

NY Times article on historic affairs...

Alexander Hamilton, Warren Harding, F.D.R., Ike, L.B.J., Representatives Mark Souder, Chris Lee and Anthony Weiner, Senators Gary Hart, John Ensign and David Vitter. Maybe a first lady, Grace Coolidge. And now, David Petraeus.

[link to www.nytimes.com]
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


Don't tell me the NY Slimes left off the biggest of the biggest: Bubba.

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This Benghazi attack story just wont go away....it will eventually get back to Obama.

The coverup keeps getting bigger. Soon they wont be able to hide it.
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Even a low level intelligence operative knows better than to send potentially damaging emails EVER. That the head of all the spies in the most powerful country on earth sent sexually explicit emails from his home computer says one of two things: Either 1) He is SO STOOPID that he never should have graduated from West Point much less made four star general, OR, 2) this is all a staged event to give him an excuse to resign so he wouldn't have to testify about the debacle at Benghazi. The salacious nature of the event is meant to convince us that this is genuine.
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The following article, written a while ago has many aspects of this case , biography, psychology, Petraeus' feelings toward the administration and his COIN strategy. Regardless of your interest in the Scandal, the Mistress, Benghazi, etc, this is a must read. Perhaps it's his COIN strategy that is at the heart of Benghazi.
[link to civiliansnews.com]
So what insight does America’s highest ranking military officer reveal in his upcoming biography? For the better part of the last 15 years, General Petraeus has shaped America’s foreign policy in regards to terrorist insurgency. So what does General Petraeus have to say about his work?...
...“Petraeus tries to make sure that he and President Obama are always in synch on the war efforts,” the biography states, as to insure Petraeus avoids ticking off his Washington counterparts in the new book. Nevertheless another section of the book, states General Petraeus told his inner circle quote, “Washington is F*&$’ing with the wrong guy.” Comments Petraeus gave in regards to a debate with politicians over the exercise of force in Afghanistan, versus the safety of American soldiers....

...“All In” the story of Patraeus’ legacy, characterizes the military legend as sometimes perplexed by his own political stature and impartial to the “mythology,” which is said to reside amongst Patraeus’ own soldiers. The biography tells the story of a man who not only fought in America’s first round of Persian Gulf interventions, but later went on to physically write, “the military code,” in regards to “Counter Insurgency” (COIN) and anti-terrorist warfare..
....The most stunning revelation in, “All In” reveals Petraeus actually considered resigning from his command entirely at one point. Just last year, amidst rapid “drawdown” of forces in Afghanistan, allegedly Petraeus was frustrated over his role, presiding over wars which he personally felt were essentially “unwinnable.” For a long time now, it has been rumored that General Petraeus has been weary over the way the Obama administration quote, “keeps Petraeus on the outside,” and until Petraeus’ appointment to the CIA perhaps the General was right. ...
....Perhaps General Petraeus’ greatest contribution to the war on terror, came in the form of the “COIN” strategy, written over the last decade predominantly by Petraeus himself. Civilians News recently sat down and read the “Counter Insurgency strategy,” which sets a 242 page outline for handling an unknown enemy and dealing with the war on terror. END
READ MORE ABOUT PETRAEUS and his ideas on COIN at article link above. It could be the key.
I've not read the entire COUNTER INSURGENCY STRATEGY.
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Idiots, this is benghazi cover up. Don't fall for these many stories and theories. Its about benghazi.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27474721


This thread begins with a post saying the "new information" is BS...

There are several posts that explain why the revelations are BS (One even has BS flags)....

No one has disagreed with any of the BS calls...In fact, several have specifically said "this is not about an affair"

This is not about an affair. This is NOT about Benghazi.

This is far bigger than Benghazi...

Here are some of my threads for background (if you are interested)...The Mali thread is a good starting point...

Thread: Watch as it Develops - The Staged War Against Islamists in Northern Mali

Thread: Bani Walid Destroyed - 11/11/2012 - Militias Make Presidential House Call - He Won't Resign (Yet)
 Quoting: DarbyDoom




I think this following information is getting closer to the truth. Check it out,

[link to www.wnd.com]
 Quoting: Roxi


This is huge. Aaron Klein, the author of the piece, is very credible. He has inside sources in the Middle East.

It would be a travesty if the truth about Benghazi doesn't get told.
thair



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None of this can be verified so Petraeus can still testify with his embedded credibility on Benghazi fully intact.

Reputation assassination will hurt Obama far more than Petraeus.

There's no doubt Obama had to know everything about this total surveillance attack on Petraeus.

Who the hell cares how many mistresses Petraeus had ? Its ridiculous. This wasn't a threat to national security, it was his private life.

Petraeus has to testify now.
 Quoting: Mr. Toppit


He will not testify.

Did you not notice how quickly Obama accepted his resignation? He didn't have to accept it at all.
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so the central incompetant agency try to protect him, but in the he lost his job.
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Speaking of old people doing it....

NY Times article on historic affairs...

Alexander Hamilton, Warren Harding, F.D.R., Ike, L.B.J., Representatives Mark Souder, Chris Lee and Anthony Weiner, Senators Gary Hart, John Ensign and David Vitter. Maybe a first lady, Grace Coolidge. And now, David Petraeus.

[link to www.nytimes.com]
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


Don't tell me the NY Slimes left off the biggest of the biggest: Bubba.
 Quoting: truthwillsetyoufreeagain


They also left off Kennedy & Eisenhower...

I understand Bill (Don't antagonize Hilldog) and I understand Kennedy (the publisher had an affair w/ Caroline) but wouldn't Eisenhower be the perfect comparison (General's war-time affair w/ a service woman and all)?
 Quoting: DarbyDoom


Eisenhower is on the list. His nickname was "Ike."
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Even a low level intelligence operative knows better than to send potentially damaging emails EVER. That the head of all the spies in the most powerful country on earth sent sexually explicit emails from his home computer says one of two things: Either 1) He is SO STOOPID that he never should have graduated from West Point much less made four star general, OR, 2) this is all a staged event to give him an excuse to resign so he wouldn't have to testify about the debacle at Benghazi. The salacious nature of the event is meant to convince us that this is genuine.
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I totally agree. Hell, I know better than to send sexually explicit e-mails.

My one issue - why does this keep him from testifying? He may have been subject to executive privilege as CIA Director. He's lost that.

He's still subject to congressional subpoena...

He can still claim the national security exception or claim the 5th...but no one in DC likes to claim the fifth...

It may keep him from testifying on the first day of hearings, but I don't see how it would keep him from testifying...
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None of this can be verified so Petraeus can still testify with his embedded credibility on Benghazi fully intact.

Reputation assassination will hurt Obama far more than Petraeus.

There's no doubt Obama had to know everything about this total surveillance attack on Petraeus.

Who the hell cares how many mistresses Petraeus had ? Its ridiculous. This wasn't a threat to national security, it was his private life.

Petraeus has to testify now.
 Quoting: Mr. Toppit


He will not testify.

Did you not notice how quickly Obama accepted his resignation? He didn't have to accept it at all.
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He'll be subpoenaed. I think you are correct. Some way or somehow won't testify.

If everything is on the up and up his resignation most likely wouldn't be accepted.

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Re: Petraeus Latest - "Shirtless" FBI Agent is Hard-Charging Counter-Terrorism Legend...
I take it OP is leading us, trying to convince us to hold a certain point of view. Countdown to Obama blaming commences.





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