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Sign THE TEXAS PETITION DEMANDING THE INDEPENDENCE OF TEXAS (It's NOT The WhiteHouse Petition).

 
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I'm trying to figure out how that would work. Texas has the 18th best economy in the world. But you really wanna be the USA's biggest enemy? Without even a military?

But hey, go Texas!
 Quoting: Little Willow


How would Texas be an Enemy of the United States if they Seceded? All the Nukes, Tanks, Troops and all of the other Military Equipment would belong to Texas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27482106


It was deemed unconstitutional after the Civil War. They will have to fight the USA to sucede..thus become an enemy.

No, all the nukes, etc. wouldn't belong to TX.
 Quoting: Little Willow


Read up on the breakup of the Soviet Union, when the federal government went broke and it became powerless to prevent the secession of former provinces

It didnt matter if Moscow wanted to hold onto the oil rich provinces...it couldn't hold onto them if they wanted

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

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In order to revive the stagnant Soviet economy, in 1985 new Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev began a process of increasing political liberalization (glasnost/perestroika) in the totalitarian, communist one-party state.

However, this liberalization led to the emergence from 1986 onwards of nationalist movements and ethnic disputes within the diverse republics of the Soviet Union.[4] It also led to the revolutions of 1989 which saw the mainly peaceful (Romania excepted) toppling of the Soviet imposed Communist regimes of the Warsaw Pact,[5] which in turn increased pressure on Gorbachev to introduce greater democracy and autonomy for the Soviet Union's constituent republics.

Under Gorbachev's leadership, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in 1989 introduced limited competitive elections to a new central legislature, the Congress of Peoples Deputies[6], although the ban on other political parties was not lifted until 1990.[7] The 17 March 1991 referendum showed 76.4% of Soviet citizens voting to retain the Union, however its legitimacy was undermined by the fact that six republics refused to participate (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldavia, Georgia and Armenia).[8]

Beginning in Estonia in November 1988 the legislatures of the Soviet republics began passing laws undermining the control of the central government and endorsing greater independence within the Soviet Union[9]

On 11 March 1990 Lithuania was the first Soviet Republic to declare outright independence and secede from the USSR.[10]

The increasing political unrest led the conservative establishment of the Soviet military and the Communist Party to attempt a coup d'état to oust Gorbachev and re-establish an authoritarian and strong central regime in August 1991.[11]

Although foiled by popular resistance led by Boris Yeltsin[12], then the president of the Russian SFSR, the coup attempt led to heightened fears that the reforms would be reversed, and most of the constituent republics began declaring outright independence.[13]

On December 8, 1991 the presidents of the Soviet republics of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus met secretly and signed the Belavezha Accords agreeing to dissolve the Soviet Union, and replace it with a loose, voluntary union, the Commonwealth of Independent States.[14]


Post-Soviet states in alphabetical order:
1. Armenia, 2. Azerbaijan, 3. Belarus, 4. Estonia,
5. Georgia, 6. Kazakhstan, 7. Kyrgyzstan, 8. Latvia,
9. Lithuania, 10. Moldova, 11. Russia, 12. Tajikistan,
13. Turkmenistan, 14. Ukraine, 15. Uzbekistan

Two weeks later, 11 of the remaining 12 republics signed the Alma-Ata Protocol formally establishing the CIS and declaring that the Soviet Union had ceased to exist.[15]
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BTW what is unconstitutional in these days. following the corp. constitution or following our state constitution that we fought for and won against a foriegn enemy. if it wasn't for texas a whole bunch of ya'll would be speaking spanish
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I'm trying to figure out how that would work. Texas has the 18th best economy in the world. But you really wanna be the USA's biggest enemy? Without even a military?

But hey, go Texas!
 Quoting: Little Willow


How would Texas be an Enemy of the United States if they Seceded? All the Nukes, Tanks, Troops and all of the other Military Equipment would belong to Texas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27482106


It was deemed unconstitutional after the Civil War. They will have to fight the USA to sucede..thus become an enemy.

No, all the nukes, etc. wouldn't belong to TX.
 Quoting: Little Willow


Source?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27482106


Lol, source for what? If you don't believe me go look it up. This is basic history.
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Sign the Petition for the Independence of Texas here: [link to texasnationalist.com]

NOTE: This is NOT The WhiteHouse Petition.
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Signed.
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I'm trying to figure out how that would work. Texas has the 18th best economy in the world. But you really wanna be the USA's biggest enemy? Without even a military?

But hey, go Texas!
 Quoting: Little Willow


How would Texas be an Enemy of the United States if they Seceded? All the Nukes, Tanks, Troops and all of the other Military Equipment would belong to Texas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27482106


It was deemed unconstitutional after the Civil War. They will have to fight the USA to sucede..thus become an enemy.

No, all the nukes, etc. wouldn't belong to TX.
 Quoting: Little Willow


Read up on the breakup of the Soviet Union, when the federal government went broke and it became powerless to prevent the secession of former provinces

It didnt matter if Moscow wanted to hold onto the oil rich provinces...it couldn't hold onto them if they wanted

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

In order to revive the stagnant Soviet economy, in 1985 new Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev began a process of increasing political liberalization (glasnost/perestroika) in the totalitarian, communist one-party state.

However, this liberalization led to the emergence from 1986 onwards of nationalist movements and ethnic disputes within the diverse republics of the Soviet Union.[4] It also led to the revolutions of 1989 which saw the mainly peaceful (Romania excepted) toppling of the Soviet imposed Communist regimes of the Warsaw Pact,[5] which in turn increased pressure on Gorbachev to introduce greater democracy and autonomy for the Soviet Union's constituent republics.

Under Gorbachev's leadership, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in 1989 introduced limited competitive elections to a new central legislature, the Congress of Peoples Deputies[6], although the ban on other political parties was not lifted until 1990.[7] The 17 March 1991 referendum showed 76.4% of Soviet citizens voting to retain the Union, however its legitimacy was undermined by the fact that six republics refused to participate (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldavia, Georgia and Armenia).[8]

Beginning in Estonia in November 1988 the legislatures of the Soviet republics began passing laws undermining the control of the central government and endorsing greater independence within the Soviet Union[9]

On 11 March 1990 Lithuania was the first Soviet Republic to declare outright independence and secede from the USSR.[10]

The increasing political unrest led the conservative establishment of the Soviet military and the Communist Party to attempt a coup d'état to oust Gorbachev and re-establish an authoritarian and strong central regime in August 1991.[11]

Although foiled by popular resistance led by Boris Yeltsin[12], then the president of the Russian SFSR, the coup attempt led to heightened fears that the reforms would be reversed, and most of the constituent republics began declaring outright independence.[13]

On December 8, 1991 the presidents of the Soviet republics of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus met secretly and signed the Belavezha Accords agreeing to dissolve the Soviet Union, and replace it with a loose, voluntary union, the Commonwealth of Independent States.[14]


Post-Soviet states in alphabetical order:
1. Armenia, 2. Azerbaijan, 3. Belarus, 4. Estonia,
5. Georgia, 6. Kazakhstan, 7. Kyrgyzstan, 8. Latvia,
9. Lithuania, 10. Moldova, 11. Russia, 12. Tajikistan,
13. Turkmenistan, 14. Ukraine, 15. Uzbekistan

Two weeks later, 11 of the remaining 12 republics signed the Alma-Ata Protocol formally establishing the CIS and declaring that the Soviet Union had ceased to exist.[15]
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Interesting, I can see it happening like this. If there's a federal collapse, for sure.
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I was a history major, and wrote my thesis under Gordon Wood

I love following these tides of human interaction, because I see them as predictable and cyclical

I believe that what we are seeing world wide is the end of an 80 cycle of ever increasing centralized government

Sooner or later, these entities collapse under their own weight. The USSR began in 1917, so it was the first to collapse...one might say that the US experiment in oversized federal government began in the 1930s, so we are facing our own excess weight

In Europe the ECB is collapsing almost as soon as it began

I believe the same will happen in China as the outer provinces grow richer and get restless at taking orders from Beijing

Think of the rise and fall of the Roman empire, after which government became strongly local ...same with the fall of the overriding Roman Catholic church, which was successfully challenged by the protestant revolution .. a movement which took power away from Rome and held that religion was local and personal

What is interesting is to look at the map of the Electoral College results of the 1860 election, just prior to the US Civil War

[link to upload.wikimedia.org]

Notice how the divisions between Blue and Red have not changed in over 150 years

Interpret that as you wish....

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How would Texas be an Enemy of the United States if they Seceded? All the Nukes, Tanks, Troops and all of the other Military Equipment would belong to Texas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27482106


It was deemed unconstitutional after the Civil War. They will have to fight the USA to sucede..thus become an enemy.

No, all the nukes, etc. wouldn't belong to TX.
 Quoting: Little Willow


Source?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27482106


Lol, source for what? If you don't believe me go look it up. This is basic history.
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Yeah, I've done Lots of Research. Didn't find anything Like That.
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Puerto Rico is a territory of the United States. As I understand it, every several years they vote on whether to remain a territory, for statehood or for independence (staying a territory has, of course, always won). How can this nation afford this right to a territory but deny it to a state?
I believe there's even a line near the end of the U.S. Constitution that states if the PEOPLE choose to abolish it, they have that right. What this means is that the rights of the PEOPLE shall not be abridged and it has nothing to do with those who "govern" us. I don't see how, if the people of Texas votes for independence, this right can be denied.
(If anyone has any information regarding these points please feel free to inform me.)
Good luck, Texas!
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I'm trying to figure out how that would work. Texas has the 18th best economy in the world. But you really wanna be the USA's biggest enemy? Without even a military?

But hey, go Texas!
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We have a military and an air force also Ft Hood and three three US air force bases which we would keep
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signed OP...I have a summer home in Pottsboro...Lake Texoma
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GOD BLESS TEXAS!!!

Don't wanna live anywhere north of the Red, south of the Rio Grande, east of the Sabine!
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The Republic of Texas was supposed to be annexed in October 1845 as a Treaty of Annexation was the requirement in order to annex a sovereign nation.

Texas became a state in December 1845 after statehood was granted by the U.S. Government, however, after research at the national archives of the United States and the state Capital of Texas, no Treaty of Annexation has ever been found and no vote by the people of Texas for Annexation was ever held.

There ya go!
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I'm trying to figure out how that would work. Texas has the 18th best economy in the world. But you really wanna be the USA's biggest enemy? Without even a military?

But hey, go Texas!
 Quoting: Little Willow

Texas might be the first but it would not be the last state to go.
As for military, Texas has the largest(I believe) Army base in the USA.
In Succession, all the military equipment within a State's borders are forfeited to become property of the new State/Nation.
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Blowhard texans are the biggest fucking idiots. Ever. It would loose all of it's military bases. The federal gov't would pressure military contractors to abandon the state. It has no income tax. It's economy would collapse. And the handouts it gets from the federal government - $1.30 for every $1 paid in would go bye bye. Idiots leaders like prick perry already has shown that he has no leadership abilities, couldn't even handle a wildfire without the federal gov't.

Yeah. Just mindless blathering from blowhard idiots. But realy we don't have to worry about it because the educated, intelligent people of this state will not allow it to happen.
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Blowhard texans are the biggest fucking idiots. Ever. It would loose all of it's military bases. The federal gov't would pressure military contractors to abandon the state. It has no income tax. It's economy would collapse. And the handouts it gets from the federal government - $1.30 for every $1 paid in would go bye bye. Idiots leaders like prick perry already has shown that he has no leadership abilities, couldn't even handle a wildfire without the federal gov't.

Yeah. Just mindless blathering from blowhard idiots. But realy we don't have to worry about it because the educated, intelligent people of this state will not allow it to happen.
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Texas contributes more to the Feds than in takes in

[link to www.flickr.com]

It also happens to be the most successful state for business in the union, adding over 50% of all the jobs which created in the entire country past 2 years...

If you don't know that, then it's obvious the rest of your statement is just blind blue state hatred of a state which actually works


Texas Leads Nation in Exports and Job Creation


[link to www.timesrecordnews.com]

California v. Texas: Jobs Leave High-Cost Locations

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Mexico would support Texas...maybe not. Both scary. If Texas seceded, could we sell Lubbock off?
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It was deemed unconstitutional after the Civil War. They will have to fight the USA to sucede..thus become an enemy.

No, all the nukes, etc. wouldn't belong to TX.
 Quoting: Little Willow


Source?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27482106


Lol, source for what? If you don't believe me go look it up. This is basic history.
 Quoting: Little Willow


Yeah, I've done Lots of Research. Didn't find anything Like That.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Sad.
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Puerto Rico is a territory of the United States. As I understand it, every several years they vote on whether to remain a territory, for statehood or for independence (staying a territory has, of course, always won). How can this nation afford this right to a territory but deny it to a state?
I believe there's even a line near the end of the U.S. Constitution that states if the PEOPLE choose to abolish it, they have that right. What this means is that the rights of the PEOPLE shall not be abridged and it has nothing to do with those who "govern" us. I don't see how, if the people of Texas votes for independence, this right can be denied.
(If anyone has any information regarding these points please feel free to inform me.)
Good luck, Texas!
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Puerto Rico is our 51st state as of last Tuesday. :-)

So if Texas sucedes we don't have to worry about that pesky problem with the extra star.
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Puerto Rico is a territory of the United States. As I understand it, every several years they vote on whether to remain a territory, for statehood or for independence (staying a territory has, of course, always won). How can this nation afford this right to a territory but deny it to a state?
I believe there's even a line near the end of the U.S. Constitution that states if the PEOPLE choose to abolish it, they have that right. What this means is that the rights of the PEOPLE shall not be abridged and it has nothing to do with those who "govern" us. I don't see how, if the people of Texas votes for independence, this right can be denied.
(If anyone has any information regarding these points please feel free to inform me.)
Good luck, Texas!
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

It will be denied. It was fought about in the Civil War and settled in 1869 as being unconstitutional.
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I'm trying to figure out how that would work. Texas has the 18th best economy in the world. But you really wanna be the USA's biggest enemy? Without even a military?

But hey, go Texas!
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Texas might be the first but it would not be the last state to go.
As for military, Texas has the largest(I believe) Army base in the USA.
In Succession, all the military equipment within a State's borders are forfeited to become property of the new State/Nation.
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Where did you hear that? The military equipment is forfeited to the state? Not in a million years.
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FUCK TEXAS
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Jealous much?
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Shouldn't those who sign it actually live in Texas?

Would their signature count if they live somewhere else?
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Why shouldnt it ? Foriegners vote in our damned elections , and nobody will do a damn thing about it!!!
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I'm trying to figure out how that would work. Texas has the 18th best economy in the world. But you really wanna be the USA's biggest enemy? Without even a military?

But hey, go Texas!
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Texas might be the first but it would not be the last state to go.
As for military, Texas has the largest(I believe) Army base in the USA.
In Succession, all the military equipment within a State's borders are forfeited to become property of the new State/Nation.
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Where did you hear that? The military equipment is forfeited to the state? Not in a million years.
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I'm trying to figure out how that would work. Texas has the 18th best economy in the world. But you really wanna be the USA's biggest enemy? Without even a military?

But hey, go Texas!
 Quoting: Little Willow

Texas might be the first but it would not be the last state to go.
As for military, Texas has the largest(I believe) Army base in the USA.
In Succession, all the military equipment within a State's borders are forfeited to become property of the new State/Nation.
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Where did you hear that? The military equipment is forfeited to the state? Not in a million years.
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Texas does have the rght to drop out od the union if it chooses to do so. Its the only state that can. Texas won its independence from Mexico and became a nation. Texas actally is a soverign nation today which is why its the only state that can fly its flag as high as the USA flag. The colonial us was very week at first and knew it needed Texasfor strength so it asked Texas 3 times to join the union and Texas finally ageed but only after the U.S. offered the right to seceed anytime it wishes.
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Secession?? Quit living in 1861 morans.
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You're just an angry non-Texan who knows America NEEDS the Great State of Texas.
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Without Texas Democrats would have a super majority
in the House and Senate and would always win the
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I'm trying to figure out how that would work. Texas has the 18th best economy in the world. But you really wanna be the USA's biggest enemy? Without even a military?

But hey, go Texas!
 Quoting: Little Willow

Texas might be the first but it would not be the last state to go.
As for military, Texas has the largest(I believe) Army base in the USA.
In Succession, all the military equipment within a State's borders are forfeited to become property of the new State/Nation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27278377


Where did you hear that? The military equipment is forfeited to the state? Not in a million years.
 Quoting: Little Willow


I'm trying to figure out how that would work. Texas has the 18th best economy in the world. But you really wanna be the USA's biggest enemy? Without even a military?

But hey, go Texas!
 Quoting: Little Willow

Texas might be the first but it would not be the last state to go.
As for military, Texas has the largest(I believe) Army base in the USA.
In Succession, all the military equipment within a State's borders are forfeited to become property of the new State/Nation.
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Where did you hear that? The military equipment is forfeited to the state? Not in a million years.
 Quoting: Little Willow


Texas does have the rght to drop out od the union if it chooses to do so. Its the only state that can. Texas won its independence from Mexico and became a nation. Texas actally is a soverign nation today which is why its the only state that can fly its flag as high as the USA flag. The colonial us was very week at first and knew it needed Texasfor strength so it asked Texas 3 times to join the union and Texas finally ageed but only after the U.S. offered the right to seceed anytime it wishes.
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No it does not.
No matter how often this LIE is repeated won't make it true.
No document at all says such thing.
Texas can, as agreed when Texas came into the union,
break into 5 separate states.
that IS written in the documents.
And that is ALL.
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Puerto Rico is a territory of the United States. As I understand it, every several years they vote on whether to remain a territory, for statehood or for independence (staying a territory has, of course, always won). How can this nation afford this right to a territory but deny it to a state?
I believe there's even a line near the end of the U.S. Constitution that states if the PEOPLE choose to abolish it, they have that right. What this means is that the rights of the PEOPLE shall not be abridged and it has nothing to do with those who "govern" us. I don't see how, if the people of Texas votes for independence, this right can be denied.
(If anyone has any information regarding these points please feel free to inform me.)
Good luck, Texas!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25602489


Puerto Rico is our 51st state as of last Tuesday. :-)

So if Texas sucedes we don't have to worry about that pesky problem with the extra star.
 Quoting: Little Willow


Puerto Rico IS NOT THE 51ST STATE!!! They passed a non binding resolution that means that they want to be a state. The US congress still has to vote them in.

Last Edited by samanthasunflower on 11/11/2012 02:13 AM