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NE Ohio Sewer district is about to start its RAIN WATER TAX and it will be coming your way soon once cities realize they can do this.

 
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NE Ohio Sewer district is about to start its RAIN WATER TAX and it will be coming your way soon once cities realize they can do this.
Going to start with even if your street or even your town does not have storm sewers you still have to pay the tax.

They are getting around the "Tax" with out a vote issue by calling it a fee but It is just a tax.

This is outside your normal sewer bill.


People with wells a septic system and no storm service still get charged.


Snip: For residential properties, they have created a three-tier fee schedule. Tier 1 properties, those with less than 2,000 square feet of hard surface, will be charged $3.03 a month. Tier 2 properties with 2,000 to 3,999 square feet of impervious surface will be charged $5.05 monthly, and properties with 4,000 or more square feet will pay $9.09.



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back when I owned a home I was paying something like $71 every 3 months just to use their sewers.
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We have been fighting this for 5 years now.

This is the same sewer district that spent 5 million on this comercial below. Mind you the deer population in the county is estimated to be over 100 deer per square mile!






here are the deer numbers.

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back when I owned a home I was paying something like $71 every 3 months just to use their sewers.
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This is outside your normal sewer bill.


People with wells a septic system and no storm service still get charged.
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More taxes,just what I need.
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Re: NE Ohio Sewer district is about to start its RAIN WATER TAX and it will be coming your way soon once cities realize they can do this.
Agenda 21.

The rain water needs to replenish the aquifer within your township. Therefor, you do not own said rain from god....

YOU SHALL PAY UP.

or.....

You can tell these backwater fucking sellouts that their shit fuckin stinks and you'll get a recall vote going the minute they press further for this BS.

THE RATES will only increase over time, you can consider this a tax on mother nature, or god, or for the environment you live in.....

But you better stop this shit now, because a snow tax is next based on the amount of square footage your property encompasses..

How do I know?, I've already fought this battle and won... When I showed the council/ board members lived outside the area they proposed to tax...

Thus, it was a tax on the common folk, not on them.

Rise up.
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This is the same city that called for an 80% water rate increase over 5 years just a year ago saying “we have to make up for the lesser use of water by increasing rates”

I pay around $1200 a year for water and sewer already that will be over $2000 a year by the time the increase is over in three years.

It's not even about me it's about the fixed income retires who can't afford the 80% increase and now the BS rain water tax on top of it.



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We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three.
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Thx for the pin, this is not going away.

They see a way to collect more money from people who do not even get a water or sewer bill!
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We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three.
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Thos are are angry should form a protest to get more recognition to stop this illegal rain tax fee. This sounds rediculous i would definitely be holding signs infront of the city council.

""a $35 million annual effort to curb flooding in the region by managing stormwater runoff.

But it will also be used to bill you. Sewer district officials began mailing more than a quarter million letters notifying residential customers that they will be charged a new fee beginning Jan. 1 to pay for the program. """"""

So they are paying for it yet it's for Ohio residents to pay for "it" as an extra profit mechanism and they know it.
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How can they bill you for it, when you are not allowed to keep and retain it?
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Anyone too cowardly to simply NOT pay deserves what they get. Easy as that.

People need to remember that truth and principles are more important than anything including a human life. If they realize this then they will no longer fear standing up to the crooks.

I don't pay income tax. I just don't pay. I will not go to jail for it either I'd rather die.
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When you fight dangers game you go for the soft spot. The soft spot for government is their taxes. Taxes are the only thing that keeps them in business. Without taxes they would have to get jobs.
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Re: NE Ohio Sewer district is about to start its RAIN WATER TAX and it will be coming your way soon once cities realize they can do this.
every new city project in Ohio that wants to be done is going to start taxing in ohio possibly in the future once this rain water tax fee is approved.

This is not a normal government taxing and resident's are barely affording mortgages, current electrcal/water bills, including cable & internet...etc

Ohio people should stand up to this one......it is not normal and is illegal taxing.
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Who are we paying to live on God's free earth. I have yet to see a squirrel pay for food, shelter or water. Why do we?
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i thought the american revolution began
because of injust taxation.

where's that spirit now?
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Wow...no words. Sounds like Agenda 21 to me!
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Wow...no words. Sounds like Agenda 21 to me!
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Yes, it is part of Agenda 21. They call it a storm run off tax here. We have so much storm water to run off that cactus and sagebrush grow here, and it gets over 100 degree weather in the summer, :-) But never mind, we might get a killer storm someday.
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I five starred this because a shill one starred it. If these people pay this tax than they are consenting to it. At some point people have to understand the only way for real change is to unite in protest no matter what the cost. People are so tied to a material life they are afraid to stand up in fear of loosing stuff but in reality they are loosing their stuff because they have no time to enjoy it. You can't enjoy your possessions if your are enslaved to a system requiring you to pay the mob to live. The mob is democratic and republican. They are the same and keep everyone believing in a change that is never going to happen. They want your faith so you don't take things into your own hands. Stand up Ohio. Take life into your own hands.
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Re: NE Ohio Sewer district is about to start its RAIN WATER TAX and it will be coming your way soon once cities realize they can do this.
This is a storm water tax. The EPA has rules about the treatment of storm water in certain areas. The municipalities are having to either treat the storm water or treat the waste water to higher levels. In most situations, it is hogwash. Don't blame your local govt, blame the EPA.

Municipalities withdraw water from local sources, treat it to be drinking water. Users consume the water, along with food and other kitchen wastes, then discharge that water to the sewer. The munis then treat that water (sewage) and discharge it back to the local water sources, usually the same river/lake from which it was withdrawn.

The EPA requires municipalities to discharge the the treated waste water back to the original source in a cleaner state than it was originally withdrawn. Think about that.

The municipalities are having to pay for this excessive treatment, which means that have to ignore other budget requirements, like maintaining the sewer system, to answer to these other excessive requirements.

We can't afford these crazy rules. Don't blame your local officials, blame the root cause, the EPA, riverkeepers, and environmental natzis. No one here is suggesting that we don't have a clean environment, but to what degree is necessary?

Putting the water back into the river cleaner than you withdrew it in the first place? That's crazy and unaffordable.
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Wow...no words. Sounds like Agenda 21 to me!
 Quoting: Laura Bow


Yes, it is part of Agenda 21. They call it a storm run off tax here. We have so much storm water to run off that cactus and sagebrush grow here, and it gets over 100 degree weather in the summer, :-) But never mind, we might get a killer storm someday.
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lol, so where you're at they're changing the bow but not the contents of the package. People that say Agenda 21 isn't already here are nuts.
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I think this is to reduce the amount of pavement and to increase green space.

Rain runs off pavement, overloads the storm sewer, and then causes raw sewage to be discharged into the lake.

Green space does the opposite and protects the City's source water.

Cleveland is gonna be the green city on the blue lake.
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Let me explain this, in a nutshell.

The state of Washington has an enormous amount of rain, like 300 out of 365 days a year on average. These gullible fucks allowed the town shit4brains to pass a measure that makes it a crime to trap or use the water that hits their roof.

Is that the most backwater fucked up thing you have ever heard?....

The state of Washington doesn't care that the very water replenishes the local aquafier, it only cares about the size of your roof, which is used to assess a tax.

The water goes right down the downspout and into the street, and thus mixes with the gutter/street runoff and then into the local streams....

They try to claim their fees are to offset the local water treatment, but every year the fees go up and nothing is being done with the fees collect except to line the boards pockets.

If you can't see through this bullshit, grab a pillow and go back to sleep.

Property Tax - check
Street Tax - check
Sewer fees - check
Water bill - check
Rain runoff - check
School tax - check
Police tax - check
Fire department - check
911 tax - check
Landline phones - check
Road tax - check
Breathing tax - check

.....at what point do you have to ask, how long you can afford your local board to make decisions for you?

....and every year, it's an increase on the people who make the jobs, work for a living, and have to support those who dont.

Rise up.
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Well if you are stupid enough to comply with everything, you get what you deserve. So stop whining.
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Re: NE Ohio Sewer district is about to start its RAIN WATER TAX and it will be coming your way soon once cities realize they can do this.
BTW the EPA has picked up on this back in October 2009. This is why in court as all the surrounding cities sue Cleveland to stop this the water company only calls the "tax" a "fee".

This is why the Cleveland court cases on this subject will create national precedence. This has been a long 5 year fight.


Here is your direct link from the EPA.

Snip:ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION
AGENCY
[EPA–HQ–OW–2009–0817; FRL–8975–8]
Agency Information Collection
Activities; Proposed Collection;
Comment Request; Stormwater
Management Including Discharges
From Newly Developed and
Redeveloped Sites; EPA ICR No.
2366.01, OMB Control No. 2040–NEW.
AGENCY: Environmental Protection
Agency.
ACTION: Notice.


Snip;Docket ID No. EPA–HQ–2009–0817
Affected entities: EPA is proposing to
distribute three separate questionnaires
focusing on gathering data pertaining to
current stormwater management
practices, including those used to
control discharges from newly
developed and redeveloped sites. The
first questionnaire (‘‘Industry
Questionnaire’’) targets establishments
that develop and redevelop sites in the
United States. Establishments receiving
this questionnaire are classified by the
following eight North American
Industry Classification System (NAICS)
codes:
236115: New Single-Family Housing
Construction (except operative
builders);
236116: New Multifamily Housing
Construction (except operative
builders);
236117: New Housing Operative
Builders;
236210: Industrial Building
Construction;
236220: Commercial and Institutional
Building Construction;
237210: Land Subdivision;
237310: Highway, Street and Bridge
Construction; and
237990: Other Heavy and Civil
Engineering Construction.
The second questionnaire (‘‘MS4
Questionnaire’’) targets owners or
operators of municipal separate storm
sewer systems (MS4s). This includes
MS4 communities regulated under
NPDES stormwater Phase I and Phase II
regulations and other local government
entities.
Lastly, EPA designed the third
questionnaire (‘‘States Questionnaire’’)
to obtain information from the states
and territories.
Title: Information Collection Request
for Stormwater Management Including
Discharges from Newly Developed and
Redeveloped Sites.
ICR numbers: EPA ICR No. 2366.01,
OMB Control No. 2040–NEW.
ICR status: This ICR is for a new
information collection activity. An
Agency may not conduct or sponsor,
and a person is not required to respond
to, a collection of information, unless it
displays a currently valid OMB control
number. The OMB control numbers for
EPA’s regulations in title 40 of the CFR,
after appearing in the Federal Register
when approved, are listed in 40 CFR
part 9, are displayed either by
publication in the Federal Register or
by other appropriate means, such as on
the related collection instrument or
form, if applicable. The display of OMB
control numbers in certain EPA
regulations is consolidated in 40 CFR
part 9.
Abstract: As the urban, suburban and
exurban human environment expands,
there is an increase in impervious land
cover and stormwater discharges. This
increase in impervious land cover on
developed sites reduces or eliminates
the natural infiltration of precipitation.
The resulting stormwater flows across
roads, rooftops, and other impervious
surfaces, picking up pollutants that are
then discharged to our nation’s waters.
In addition, the increased volume of
stormwater discharges results in the
scouring of rivers and streams,
degrading the physical integrity of
aquatic habitats, stream function and
overall water quality.




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way less then 50%
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But but but....we like to pay for the free rain.
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But the union pension plans and other goodies must be funded!@!@!#@!#!@#$@@@@@1

Why are you complaining?

VOTE DEMOCRAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: NE Ohio Sewer district is about to start its RAIN WATER TAX and it will be coming your way soon once cities realize they can do this.
every new city project in Ohio that wants to be done is going to start taxing in ohio possibly in the future once this rain water tax fee is approved.

This is not a normal government taxing and resident's are barely affording mortgages, current electrcal/water bills, including cable & internet...etc

Ohio people should stand up to this one......it is not normal and is illegal taxing.
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No doubt!

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Re: NE Ohio Sewer district is about to start its RAIN WATER TAX and it will be coming your way soon once cities realize they can do this.
Going to start with even if your street or even your town does not have storm sewers you still have to pay the tax.

They are getting around the "Tax" with out a vote issue by calling it a fee but It is just a tax.

This is outside your normal sewer bill.


People with wells a septic system and no storm service still get charged.


Snip: For residential properties, they have created a three-tier fee schedule. Tier 1 properties, those with less than 2,000 square feet of hard surface, will be charged $3.03 a month. Tier 2 properties with 2,000 to 3,999 square feet of impervious surface will be charged $5.05 monthly, and properties with 4,000 or more square feet will pay $9.09.



[link to www.cleveland.com]
 Quoting: Chrit


From the link...

Duke's work will be used as a roadmap for the sewer district's new Stormwater Management Program, a $35 million annual effort to curb flooding in the region by managing stormwater runoff.


Sounds similar to the manure management plan for Pennsylvania, eventually they are going to want to manage EVERY ASPECT of people's lives. Disgusting.
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They also charge you to put fluoride in the water when 90% of it goes down the toilet or drain. Why doesn't the EPA ask about putting tons of fluoride, a class A toxin and pesticide, a year into nature??
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All you have to do is this:

Find out who is funding this agenda. Every bill has a sponsor, and most likely it is an Enviro group with ties to a local member of the board or agency.

You then sue for collusion.

You have a lot of work to do, as they are buried deep I to this, far before it every tries to be implemented, it is already hidden as to how it got to where you are now.

You need to expose the people who signed off on this, show how they gained from this, who they are tied to that helped to get funding, and then...

Then.... You need to file lawsuits as to the very agencies that passed this with your videos showing the very properties they manage have no storm water reclamation plan in effect.

Every time a local sewer company states they are releasing raw untreated sewage based on the incapacity to handle the basic load on average, that they are violating the federal clean water act themselves.

Trust me. You need to contact James Buchal. He's an expert on waste water discharge and the environmental hoax concerning "saving the environment" and the EPA & DEQ fallacies.

He's not cheap, but he'll help you unfuck yourselves from the agenda.

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