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EQ? Gas Explosion?? Something Just Shook Houses In Indianapolis!

 
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Can someone help me out? I would like to put a link in my post regarding this drone strike, whoops, I mean gas explosion. I read a very interesting article on it and am surprised no one is linking it.
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smart-type bombs now detonate by laser trigger, so they are not detonated by hitting something hard like the ground, this keeps the explosive energy moving in more directions then it would if it was to hit hard in to something, the missile actually starts to detonate before the target.

this keep the energy from just rebounding up into the air and also avoids energy getting absorbed into the ground forming a crater.
you will notice not much of a crater for such a large explosion...
and the shock wave traveled laterally through the air very well
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I was thinking the same. These can be launched and or dropped from very high altitudes. You would never know it's coming. They use them to eliminate cartel leaders and Al-Qaeda leaders. These bombs detonate before they hit the ground, so as to not leave craters. So the governments of those countries have a hard time figuring out what happened. Like we have here.
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snip

"John Shirley said his access to them is limited because his ex-wife has a protective order against him and has full custody of his daughter.

Police responded to a domestic disturbance at the Shirley home in February 2011, according to an Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department report.

John Shirley moved out of the house in February 2011, he said.

Prior to the divorce, the Shirley family faced financial stress. In 2007, the Shirleys filed jointly for Chapter 13 bankruptcy. Court records show they had liabilities of nearly $410,000 and assets of about $316,000.

Among their liabilities were two mortgages on the Fieldfare Way house, on which they owed a total of $225,794. The house’s value was listed as $230,000, according to court records.


The bankruptcy case was dismissed in June.

The house was listed for sale at $149,900 in late 2011 as a possible short sale, but it was pulled off the market in March at the request of the owner, according to real estate listings. The house had a gas furnace and a wood burning fireplace with gas starter, according to descriptions."

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 Quoting: scorpio66


I think you are on the right track.

Monserrate Roman Shirley (46 years old) ...AKA Moncie/Moncy and her boyfriend Mark Leonard took the cat to the groomers on Friday to board it.

They busted a gas line, locked up the house and went to the casino for the weekend as a cover.

This is starting to smell like an insurance job that ended up being a lot bigger than they had planned.

Moncie's previous addresses include, Kalamazoo, Plainwell, Battle Creek and Grand Rapids, MI. Maybe someone should check to if any of her other houses blew up or burnt down.
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I think there is a movie who's script is similar to this. Maybe they saw this movie and got the idea. I don't remember the name of the movie.
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Can someone help me out? I would like to put a link in my post regarding this drone strike, whoops, I mean gas explosion. I read a very interesting article on it and am surprised no one is linking it.
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Copy the link and paste the link here in a post.
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Um... another one?

Explosion destroys rural Indiana home

"Nov 14, 2012 6:51 AM EST
ALBION -
Authorities are investigating what caused an explosion that destroyed a house in a rural area of northeastern Indiana."

[link to www.wthr.com]
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Um... another one?

Explosion destroys rural Indiana home

"Nov 14, 2012 6:51 AM EST
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Authorities are investigating what caused an explosion that destroyed a house in a rural area of northeastern Indiana."

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wtf
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Take heed women. This is what happens when you choose to place your trust in the wrong men with a history of using women. I have personal knowledge of some shady, illegal and insurance fraud activities her bf and his friends are involved in. I would also lay money down that there was a harley in the garage of that house that was likely in another womans name and probably reported as stolen. They are predators that live off of women. I believe at least one of these men could be linked to another house fire involving a gas leak and thermostat. This was an insurance fraud case that went way wrong. While I believe her to have some knowledge in the matter I can't help but feel sorry for her. She was a pawn and now her life is ruined but she isn't dead like her neighbors. I hope they finally get to the bottom of this and put these men away!
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Take heed women. This is what happens when you choose to place your trust in the wrong men with a history of using women. I have personal knowledge of some shady, illegal and insurance fraud activities her bf and his friends are involved in. I would also lay money down that there was a harley in the garage of that house that was likely in another womans name and probably reported as stolen. They are predators that live off of women. I believe at least one of these men could be linked to another house fire involving a gas leak and thermostat. This was an insurance fraud case that went way wrong. While I believe her to have some knowledge in the matter I can't help but feel sorry for her. She was a pawn and now her life is ruined but she isn't dead like her neighbors. I hope they finally get to the bottom of this and put these men away!
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So you know Ms Monseratte, Shirley's boyfriend? You know of these activities he has been involved in? Why not report it to the authorities?
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Take heed women. This is what happens when you choose to place your trust in the wrong men with a history of using women. I have personal knowledge of some shady, illegal and insurance fraud activities her bf and his friends are involved in. I would also lay money down that there was a harley in the garage of that house that was likely in another womans name and probably reported as stolen. They are predators that live off of women. I believe at least one of these men could be linked to another house fire involving a gas leak and thermostat. This was an insurance fraud case that went way wrong. While I believe her to have some knowledge in the matter I can't help but feel sorry for her. She was a pawn and now her life is ruined but she isn't dead like her neighbors. I hope they finally get to the bottom of this and put these men away!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27737282


Interesting comments!

After watching the video these are some of my observations and thoughts on the story.


- She repeatedly talks about going to the casino with her boyfriend. Someone has a gambling problem.

- She is obviously medicated and comfortably numb.

- She is a nurse. Nurses experience death and human tragedy on a daily basis which leads them to be very good at coping and a bit calloused.

-English is a second language for her. She is "thinking" in Spanish while speaking in English. I would venture to guess if the interview was conducted in Spanish she would be a lot more emotional and animated.

-She is wearing a Harley Davidson jacket. (Your motorcycle theory holds up.)

- I would like to see an interview with her ex-husband. I'm sure he is totally pissed that his wife is living in his house with some other man, sleeping in his bed and spending his money gambling and drinking at the casino.

- John Shirley and Mark Leonard appear to be the ones who have cause to do something like blow up a house.

This is such a tragedy for all the people that live in the neighborhood. So many lives have been destroyed. I hope they get to the bottom of this and the perpetrators are punished to the full extent of the law!!
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These poor women HAVE reported him. There is an open class action out on that guy from what I understand. It is clear to me at this point who is behind this. I posted the original post about this guy being a loser and if it isn't all his fault I will be surprised. Just don't rule it out because the blast looks funny to some of you. As far as I know nobody here is an expert on what blasts look like ...
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I'm still curious how they know which house blew up first?
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These poor women HAVE reported him. There is an open class action out on that guy from what I understand. It is clear to me at this point who is behind this. I posted the original post about this guy being a loser and if it isn't all his fault I will be surprised. Just don't rule it out because the blast looks funny to some of you. As far as I know nobody here is an expert on what blasts look like ...
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Is this the same Mark Leonard you are talking about?

Mark Leonard

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Take heed women. This is what happens when you choose to place your trust in the wrong men with a history of using women. I have personal knowledge of some shady, illegal and insurance fraud activities her bf and his friends are involved in. I would also lay money down that there was a harley in the garage of that house that was likely in another womans name and probably reported as stolen. They are predators that live off of women. I believe at least one of these men could be linked to another house fire involving a gas leak and thermostat. This was an insurance fraud case that went way wrong. While I believe her to have some knowledge in the matter I can't help but feel sorry for her. She was a pawn and now her life is ruined but she isn't dead like her neighbors. I hope they finally get to the bottom of this and put these men away!
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So you know Ms Monseratte, Shirley's boyfriend? You know of these activities he has been involved in? Why not report it to the authorities?
 Quoting: El Quisqueyano


I agree. Go forward and report this to the police. I live very close to this neighborhood, and know the residents want and need closure, so they can move on with their lives.

Please report what you know.
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I'm still curious how they know which house blew up first?
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Yeah, it looks like the center of the blast is between the two houses that were totally obliterated. I could see one house disappearing with only a scorch mark from an internal gas leak, but not two.

Being that nobody officially wants to blame gas, neither the ntsb nor the gas company, there must be some behind the scenes arm twisting to decide who is going to lie about it and blame the gas or come up with a pure alternative fairy tale.

Gas companies have to have good lawyers just because of the nature of the beast. They would tend to hang onto the "our investigation is not complete" approach as long as possible rather than "it wasn't us" this early in the game if they weren't sure.

If the gas company was able to recover an intact meter or two, they could easily determine whether or not enough gas went through it to cause this much destruction.

They have a record from the last monthly reading for every house in the neighborhood. A meter involved in a house with a major appliance leak would show an unusually high reading since the last reading compared to the others. This ain't rocket science.

So either no intact meters were recovered to prove it wasn't gas related, which I doubt, or there is some serious effort being made to spin a plausible not gas related story or some serious effort to get somebody to lie that it was gas related going on behind the scenes.
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Take heed women. This is what happens when you choose to place your trust in the wrong men with a history of using women. I have personal knowledge of some shady, illegal and insurance fraud activities her bf and his friends are involved in. I would also lay money down that there was a harley in the garage of that house that was likely in another womans name and probably reported as stolen. They are predators that live off of women. I believe at least one of these men could be linked to another house fire involving a gas leak and thermostat. This was an insurance fraud case that went way wrong. While I believe her to have some knowledge in the matter I can't help but feel sorry for her. She was a pawn and now her life is ruined but she isn't dead like her neighbors. I hope they finally get to the bottom of this and put these men away!
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PLEASE report your information to the local police, fire marshall, and/or FBI.

Innocent people were killed in that blast, not to mention hundreds put through horrific stress!

Editted to add contacts:

To report Indiana insurance fraud:

To regulate the insurance industry and cut down on fraudulent activity the IDOI and the NAIC ask that any suspected fraudulent activity regarding insurance brokers, insurance companies, or insurance plans be reported.
If you have been a victim or have witnessed fraud please contact the NAIC.

For other types of fraud please contact National Fraud Information at 800-835-6422

For information regarding fraudulent insurance activity, please contact:
Nick Mann
Deputy Commissioner, Enforcement Division
317-233-9431
nmann@idoi.in.gov

[link to www.in.gov]

Indianapolis FBI Office:

8825 Nelson B Klein Pkwy
Indianapolis, IN 46250
Phone: (317) 595-4000
Fax: (317) 845-7105
E-mail: Indianapolis@ic.fbi.gov

[link to www.fbi.gov]

Indianapolis Fire Marshall:

Phone: (317) 232-2222

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I'm still curious how they know which house blew up first?
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Yeah, it looks like the center of the blast is between the two houses that were totally obliterated. I could see one house disappearing with only a scorch mark from an internal gas leak, but not two.

Being that nobody officially wants to blame gas, neither the ntsb nor the gas company, there must be some behind the scenes arm twisting to decide who is going to lie about it and blame the gas or come up with a pure alternative fairy tale.

Gas companies have to have good lawyers just because of the nature of the beast. They would tend to hang onto the "our investigation is not complete" approach as long as possible rather than "it wasn't us" this early in the game if they weren't sure.

If the gas company was able to recover an intact meter or two, they could easily determine whether or not enough gas went through it to cause this much destruction.

They have a record from the last monthly reading for every house in the neighborhood. A meter involved in a house with a major appliance leak would show an unusually high reading since the last reading compared to the others. This ain't rocket science.

So either no intact meters were recovered to prove it wasn't gas related, which I doubt, or there is some serious effort being made to spin a plausible not gas related story or some serious effort to get somebody to lie that it was gas related going on behind the scenes.
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They found a meter that was in good enough condition to test so you can bet they got a reading from it. To fill a house that size with enough gas to blow it up along with the one next door would take 10k+ cubic feet or so which would certainly register on the meter as being higher than the surrounding homes for the same time period.

Citizens says it conducted the following tests in cooperation with the National Transportation Safety Board and the Indiana Utility Regulatory Commission:

· Leak detection survey of the entire Richmond Hill subdivision.

· Pressure tests of the 2-inch diameter gas main and all underground service lines on Fieldfare Way.

· Functional test of the gas meter at the home where the explosion is believed to have originated.


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hi, any new updates? especially of the injured from both the initial explosion n the non responsive of the 1st night?? i see we have a problem of explosions ,plane crash, 2 saw mills <on 1 day>. seems to b a lot of heat with little or phony explanations.
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score! those impacted rec'd free Pacers tickets. that should fix everything all better.

[link to www.wishtv.com]

there really isn't much new on the local news today, i suppose once someone is arrested for insurance fraud things will heat up again.

if this turns out to be insurance fraud, which seems very likely at this point, i have a theory on why the blast was worst than they would have anticipated - it was so warm out all day saturday the heat prob didn't kick on so the house filled and filled with gas much longer than they expected. i'm not an expert, so that's just a guess. but i just can't wrap my head around them purposely trying to kill the neighbors too. that part at least had to be a true accident, right??

and, it seems it's going to wind up being ins fraud. we still don't know for sure and who knows, those people could be set up. it wouldn't really be that hard to target a home with financial and marital difficulties, now would it? not in this day and age where every bit of info about you is pretty much available to even the general public, let alone the govt.

as for the other house exploding in Indiana, they seem to be keeping pretty quiet, i found the wthr link to it this morning but now i don't see anything at all. i don't think it's related, but you never know, there's plenty going on to make anything possible i suppose.

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I just found out a lady from my church there families house is 6 houses down and its totally destroyed there having to live in a hotel from this. I didnt get to talk to her or anything but just found out tonight
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These poor women HAVE reported him. There is an open class action out on that guy from what I understand. It is clear to me at this point who is behind this. I posted the original post about this guy being a loser and if it isn't all his fault I will be surprised. Just don't rule it out because the blast looks funny to some of you. As far as I know nobody here is an expert on what blasts look like ...
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Is this the same Mark Leonard you are talking about?

Mark Leonard

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they have his name and info, but "no mugshot available."
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Is the Amtrak service up yet?
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This thread has gone full retard.
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Take heed women. This is what happens when you choose to place your trust in the wrong men with a history of using women. I have personal knowledge of some shady, illegal and insurance fraud activities her bf and his friends are involved in. I would also lay money down that there was a harley in the garage of that house that was likely in another womans name and probably reported as stolen. They are predators that live off of women. I believe at least one of these men could be linked to another house fire involving a gas leak and thermostat. This was an insurance fraud case that went way wrong. While I believe her to have some knowledge in the matter I can't help but feel sorry for her. She was a pawn and now her life is ruined but she isn't dead like her neighbors. I hope they finally get to the bottom of this and put these men away!
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Ok, all this sounds plausible, but I need to ask, what does having a Harley or motorcycle for that matter have anything to do with the rest of the story? Are you trying to imply that because they have a Harley they are bad people? I take offense to that implication and I am sure others out there would as well.

I own a Harley and have many friends that do as well. They are not involved in shady things nor am I. Please quit perpetrating this stereotype.

I am a motorcycle enthusiast and enjoy being in the wind. All it's really about is, two wheels, an engine and being on the road. Brand really doesn't matter. However, I also happen to be an American that likes to buy Made in the USA products when I can. I chose Harley over the other US made bikes simply because, the other companies do not have the aftermarket part and accessory choices that you get with a Harley. Once those other companies have been established longer and have more of an aftermarket following I'll take a closer look at them.

The stereotype that all Harley riders are in "Outlaw Motorcycle Clubs" is ridiculous and completely outdated. Please quit thinking we are all like Marlon Brando, Jax Taylor or Sonny Barger...
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No one cares about your Harley Davidson fantaticism, get over it. This thread is about something much more important and serious than you. If you don't like what people say in this thread, then get lost and go ride your stupid harley, no one cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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No one cares about your Harley Davidson fantaticism, get over it. This thread is about something much more important and serious than you. If you don't like what people say in this thread, then get lost and go ride your stupid harley, no one cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You're missing the bigger point...

I am quite aware that there are more important things in life and the times are very serious right now. Just look around...we are living in chaos. However, if you cannot get over your intolerant mind set or have the ability to put aside petty differences it will never get any better.

It is because of assumptions, pre-concieved notions, and stereotypes such as the example of the Harley rider that keep all of us divided!
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Dr. John Goodpaster investigates explosions for a living, as the director of Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis Forensic and Investigative Sciences Program.

At the request of RTV6, he reviewed the aftermath of the deadly south side explosion that engulfed homes in flames late Saturday night, killing two people and creating a ripple of destruction.

"When you look at this damage, it literally does look like a bomb went off. It's catastrophic," said Goodpaster. "In terms of making a parallel, it's equivalent to literally having a bomb dropped on you, so like a military ammunition dropped from an airplane would cause similar damage to this."


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Dr. John Goodpaster investigates explosions for a living, as the director of Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis Forensic and Investigative Sciences Program.

At the request of RTV6, he reviewed the aftermath of the deadly south side explosion that engulfed homes in flames late Saturday night, killing two people and creating a ripple of destruction.

"When you look at this damage, it literally does look like a bomb went off. It's catastrophic," said Goodpaster. "In terms of making a parallel, it's equivalent to literally having a bomb dropped on you, so like a military ammunition dropped from an airplane would cause similar damage to this."


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i just read that too!
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I have a question, maybe some of you can help with this. Of all the reports of explosions recently in this country, I am wondering if they are all occurring at night time?

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This thread has gone full retard.
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co intel prob hard at work on this one lol

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