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EQ? Gas Explosion?? Something Just Shook Houses In Indianapolis!

 
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To completely obliterate a house it would appear the explosion wave front would have to be very tight. Meaning the speed of ignition and expansion of gas was very high. I find it hard to believe a house filling with gas would be able to have enough oxidiser (oxygen) to allow the gas to burn fast enough. What I'm saying is the explosion start with ignition along with available oxygen and as soon as the oxygen is used up, the expansion of gases slows down considerably.

What provided the additional oxygen or oxidative action ?????

This is all basic high school level chemistry.

It's the shockwave of expanding gases which cause the damage and secondary the burning heat of the hot gases.
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"Monserrate Shirley, Mark Leonard plead for privacy after 'nightmare' of Indianapolis explosion"

[link to www.theindychannel.com]

If this article made it up already, I apologize.
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No one cares about your Harley Davidson fantaticism, get over it. This thread is about something much more important and serious than you. If you don't like what people say in this thread, then get lost and go ride your stupid harley, no one cares!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You're missing the bigger point...

I am quite aware that there are more important things in life and the times are very serious right now. Just look around...we are living in chaos. However, if you cannot get over your intolerant mind set or have the ability to put aside petty differences it will never get any better.

It is because of assumptions, pre-concieved notions, and stereotypes such as the example of the Harley rider that keep all of us divided!
 Quoting: Sol Neman


Sol, this is not disparaging Harleys. The point that is being made is that a previous poster, who apparently knows the occupants of the demolished house, stated that there was a stolen Harley in the garage. The second poster noted that Monserrat was wearing a Harley tee-shirt, leading credence to the theory they liked harleys, and may have on in their garage.
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Dr. John Goodpaster investigates explosions for a living, as the director of Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis Forensic and Investigative Sciences Program.

At the request of RTV6, he reviewed the aftermath of the deadly south side explosion that engulfed homes in flames late Saturday night, killing two people and creating a ripple of destruction.

"When you look at this damage, it literally does look like a bomb went off. It's catastrophic," said Goodpaster. "In terms of making a parallel, it's equivalent to literally having a bomb dropped on you, so like a military ammunition dropped from an airplane would cause similar damage to this."


[link to www.theindychannel.com]
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Dr. John Goodpaster investigates explosions for a living, as the director of Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis Forensic and Investigative Sciences Program.

At the request of RTV6, he reviewed the aftermath of the deadly south side explosion that engulfed homes in flames late Saturday night, killing two people and creating a ripple of destruction.

"When you look at this damage, it literally does look like a bomb went off. It's catastrophic," said Goodpaster. "In terms of making a parallel, it's equivalent to literally having a bomb dropped on you, so like a military ammunition dropped from an airplane would cause similar damage to this."


[link to www.theindychannel.com]
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what if they "accidentally" left a hair straightener or curling iron on... wouldn't that eventually get hot enough to start a fire and then explode all the gas that had built up?
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what if they "accidentally" left a hair straightener or curling iron on... wouldn't that eventually get hot enough to start a fire and then explode all the gas that had built up?
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Gas explosions are way too slow to create a pressure wave of sufficient energy to do this damage. THIS IS NOT A GAS EXLOSION!!!

I've seen dozens of them. Some up close. They don't do this kind of damage. If this is a "gas" explosion, the "gas" is not cooking gas (natural or propane). Now, acetylene, that is another story. The shock/pressure wave from a basement full of that could do this, we'll, except for all the fire. That's another thing... Gas explosions that have fires, those fires are contained. ...usually at the gas source. In this case there was reportedly fires EVERYWHERE.

It's all just so bizarro.
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what if they "accidentally" left a hair straightener or curling iron on... wouldn't that eventually get hot enough to start a fire and then explode all the gas that had built up?
 Quoting: scorpio66


No. But, a relay snapping shut could create a spark sufficient to lite this, however, don't believe them! This was not a gas explosion.
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So we had an explosion at the army depot bunker in Louisiana a few weeks back and now Indiana...
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So we had an explosion at the army depot bunker in Louisiana a few weeks back and now Indiana...
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Don't forget about the ammo bunker in Russia. I remember that being mentioned when this happened at Camp Minden. The link was provided somewhere early in the thread...

Thread: Multi agencies searching for an explosion that has been felt in all NW La..E Texas & S Ar.
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So we had an explosion at the army depot bunker in Louisiana a few weeks back and now Indiana...
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Don't forget about the ammo bunker in Russia. I remember that being mentioned when this happened at Camp Minden. The link was provided somewhere early in the thread...

Thread: Multi agencies searching for an explosion that has been felt in all NW La..E Texas & S Ar.
 Quoting: Sol Neman


Found the article about Russia - [link to www.bbc.co.uk]
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So we had an explosion at the army depot bunker in Louisiana a few weeks back and now Indiana...
 Quoting: imjustsayin


Don't forget about the ammo bunker in Russia. I remember that being mentioned when this happened at Camp Minden. The link was provided somewhere early in the thread...

Thread: Multi agencies searching for an explosion that has been felt in all NW La..E Texas & S Ar.
 Quoting: Sol Neman


Found the article about Russia - [link to www.bbc.co.uk]
 Quoting: Sol Neman


meteors? Methane? Coincidence?
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Not much new being reported. They raised the damage estimate to 4.4 million, they've called in more equipment and people to assist in the investigation and it looks like some pets are being found still hiding in some of the damage homes and are being reuined with their families. That's about it as far as I can tell.
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So we had an explosion at the army depot bunker in Louisiana a few weeks back and now Indiana...
 Quoting: imjustsayin


Don't forget about the ammo bunker in Russia. I remember that being mentioned when this happened at Camp Minden. The link was provided somewhere early in the thread...

Thread: Multi agencies searching for an explosion that has been felt in all NW La..E Texas & S Ar.
 Quoting: Sol Neman


Found the article about Russia - [link to www.bbc.co.uk]
 Quoting: Sol Neman


meteors? Methane? Coincidence?
 Quoting: imjustsayin


Both? Each on their own can be bad, but maybe these explosions are a combination of both and that's why they are so big and felt over such a large area? Could be that the "meteors" are not actually meteors too. Maybe it's something that appears to be a meteor and has been aimed at vulnerable areas; knowing that there would be a catastrophic explosion due to methane. Methane leaks that may or may not be happening because of "natural" events.

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Don't forget about the ammo bunker in Russia. I remember that being mentioned when this happened at Camp Minden. The link was provided somewhere early in the thread...

Thread: Multi agencies searching for an explosion that has been felt in all NW La..E Texas & S Ar.
 Quoting: Sol Neman


Found the article about Russia - [link to www.bbc.co.uk]
 Quoting: Sol Neman


meteors? Methane? Coincidence?
 Quoting: imjustsayin


Both? Each on their own can be bad, but maybe these explosions are a combination of both and that's why they are so big and felt over such a large area? Could be that the "meteors" are not actually meteors too. Maybe it's something that appears to be a meteor and has been aimed at vulnerable areas; knowing that there would be a catastrophic explosion due to methane. Methane leaks that may or may not be happening because of "natural" events.
 Quoting: Sol Neman


You are doing too much thinking buddy, TPTB are not going to appreciate someone like you asking questions and thinking as you do, but I admire it and have been thinking the same damned things myself!
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I drove past the explosion yesterday and there was still a bunch of cops blocking everything off. I saw fox 59 parked across the street. There was some big crosses set up at the church at the end of the street with the longworths names. I'm not sure if they went there or of that was just a convenient place to put them.
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Can someone in the area try to find out where debris is being taken.
This will be a big clue as to if they are concealing something.
Too late for evidence
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DHS and NSA have completely taken over the investigation...that happened immediately after the blast.

The mood here is reserved...all await the "Official" report to tell us a lie...we already know what happened...too many people saw it, and no one will simply start spouting off online making them the next target. All "victims" were hurried off the scene to a school for debriefing

All rescue workers have tried to spread rumors about the cause with fake circumstantial rhetoric, which come to find was not true (speaking of the couple who was not at home)
If there was any weight to what rescue workers were saying then they would not even know the details that they are trying to have people believe...it was NOT gas...Gas was ruled out day 1 of the investigation
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DHS and NSA have completely taken over the investigation...that happened immediately after the blast.

The mood here is reserved...all await the "Official" report to tell us a lie...we already know what happened...too many people saw it, and no one will simply start spouting off online making them the next target. All "victims" were hurried off the scene to a school for debriefing

All rescue workers have tried to spread rumors about the cause with fake circumstantial rhetoric, which come to find was not true (speaking of the couple who was not at home)
If there was any weight to what rescue workers were saying then they would not even know the details that they are trying to have people believe...it was NOT gas...Gas was ruled out day 1 of the investigation
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Yes, and guess what? Every single person that I have spoken to about this that has not taken the time to look into it further than the MSM initial report replied to me, "Oh yeah, I heard about that, it was just a gas explosion"!

It would seem that the simple minded, stupid sheeple have already been, been there, done that, move along nothing to see here'd it.

I wonder if they will blow it all off when it is THEIR turn in the barrel? At least you get a free one way ticket to Femacampville, right?
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long but excellent article about the night of the explosion and the days following it, a lot of witness accounts and stuff


Then the Earth shook: Blast effects reach across all of Indianapolis

[link to www.indystar.com]
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long but excellent article about the night of the explosion and the days following it, a lot of witness accounts and stuff


Then the Earth shook: Blast effects reach across all of Indianapolis

[link to www.indystar.com]
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Good article. We cannot let this thread die.
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bump Any new info?
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BREAKING NEWS: Deadly home explosion on Indianapolis' south side is now being investigated as a homicide, a source tells RTV6. #breaking

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This suggests it was definitely arson/deliberate...
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BREAKING NEWS: Deadly home explosion on Indianapolis' south side is now being investigated as a homicide, a source tells RTV6. #breaking

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This suggests it was definitely arson/deliberate...
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Just as I thought.
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Marion County Prosecutor Terry Curry said the Indianapolis Metro Police Department and his office had interviewed "numerous witnesses and executed search warrants," and that led them to determine "this is a homicide investigation."

Crime Stoppers is offering $1,000 and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms is offering up to $10,000 leading to an arrest and conviction.

The prosecutor is asking anyone who might have seen a white van in the neighborhood the night of the explosion to contact central Indiana Crime Stoppers at 262-TIPS.


was latest update from here

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[link to www.wthr.com]

note the comment from "nicole" following above article:

"I agree with those who say to be patient and not judge. I drive along I-70 West everyday, and just when I get to where Lucas Oil Stadium is on my right (near the Meridian exit? on the south side of the city) the smell of natural gas is overwhelming... and I'm going 55mph on the highway! I've called in the complaint to 911, but they say that despite multiple reports, its investigated and nothing is found. Its ridiculous... something is obviously leaking, either intentionally or they just don't want to address it."


I smell this downtown every time I go right in the same area this lady mentions. You can smell it right down by Lily and for a few blocks at least. Any other Indy folks notice this?
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Yeah i smell it.usually real strong around 3:30 4:00 am.also noticed the colors on top of the lilly building were weird colors today.usually blue for the colts,red for christmas etc.last night it was a changing pattern of a bright yellow flash then turned to red background repeating over and over again.the gas smell could be from the factories on the near west side though.
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Got a Breaking News text from Fox59 earlier but didn't have a way to post. Figured you guys would be on it tho!

When they say "homicide investigation" that makes it sound as though the Longworths were deliberately targeted? I assume they just mean that since they were killed in the commission of another crime? I've been pretty sure this was going to be the result ever since the non-crying fake-crying interview with that lady.

Local news also saying they are looking for a white van seen there that day.

I'm sure more details will start trickling out soon.

Some local articles:
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Police: House explosion was not an accident
[link to www.fox59.com]
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Police offering reward for information about white van seen prior to explosion
[link to www.fox59.com]
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Indianapolis explosion investigated as criminal homicide
[link to www.wthr.com]
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Prosecutor: Explosion investigated as homicide
[link to www.wishtv.com]
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Deadly Indianapolis home explosion now criminal homicide investigation, source says
[link to www.theindychannel.com]

"Curry said investigators were specifically looking for information about a white van seen in the neighborhood the day of the explosion.

A source told RTV6 that police impounded a white van after the blast, but it's unclear if that van is connected to the investigation. Police are looking for the individuals driving the van.

Officials told RTV6 the white van in question had at least two occupants."
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Authorities call Richmond Hill explosion a homicide case, seek details on white van
[link to www.indystar.com]

"Authorities did not provide any information on possible targets of the probe, or say what makes them believe the explosion was a criminal act.

But under Indiana law, a murder charge could be filed in connection with the death of the Longworths if investigators find the explosion was the result of arson.

The law says “a person who … kills another human being while committing or attempting to commit arson, burglary, child molesting, consumer product tampering, criminal deviate conduct, kidnapping, rape, robbery, human trafficking, promotion of human trafficking, sexual trafficking of a minor, or carjacking … commits murder.”

that article continues with a lot of information on the criminal records of both Mr. & Mrs. Shirley and her boyfriend, Mark Leonard
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Hmm, why would ATF be offering a reward? Do they cover "arson" and "gas explosions"? I thought they do guns and bombs and that kind of thing. Does this mean they think it was a bomb?

[link to www.wishtv.com]

"Crime Stoppers is offering a $1,000 reward and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms is offering a $10,000 reward for an arrest and conviction in the case."
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Hmm, why would ATF be offering a reward? Do they cover "arson" and "gas explosions"? I thought they do guns and bombs and that kind of thing. Does this mean they think it was a bomb?

[link to www.wishtv.com]

"Crime Stoppers is offering a $1,000 reward and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms is offering a $10,000 reward for an arrest and conviction in the case."
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Stop trying to make sense of this OP, it will only frustrate you. Right is wrong now, wrong is right. Local cops, county cops, state cops, federal marshalls, FBI, CIA, NSA apparently are not nearly enough, we need DHS and 30,000 drones overhead to save and protect us now, and they will tell us WHAT to think, WHAT to believe, and WHAT to do!

Are you worried yet, because you should be. The horror, the horror...
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Hmm, why would ATF be offering a reward? Do they cover "arson" and "gas explosions"? I thought they do guns and bombs and that kind of thing. Does this mean they think it was a bomb?

[link to www.wishtv.com]

"Crime Stoppers is offering a $1,000 reward and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms is offering a $10,000 reward for an arrest and conviction in the case."
 Quoting: scorpio66


Stop trying to make sense of this OP, it will only frustrate you. Right is wrong now, wrong is right. Local cops, county cops, state cops, federal marshalls, FBI, CIA, NSA apparently are not nearly enough, we need DHS and 30,000 drones overhead to save and protect us now, and they will tell us WHAT to think, WHAT to believe, and WHAT to do!

Are you worried yet, because you should be. The horror, the horror...
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Yep, pretty much! sigh

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