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Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?

 
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OK. So I'm 40 years old, and I came out when I was 16, which means I came out when being openly gay was socially marginalizing, if not downright dangerous to your physical person. This threat came almost exclusively from straight men, and it was the social norm. Since then, this new attitude towards homosexuals has arisen in many quarters, and I must say it has made life easier for me in many key respects. However, in spite of this, I can't say I entirely buy this overnight epiphany that straight men have allegedly had regarding gays, especially gay MEN.

Homosexuals have been treated like social lepers, if not as downright evil incarnate for the past 2000 years. Don't you think it's odd that straight men SUDDENLY got over it? I'm personally pretty skeptical, and don't think this is a change in behavior due to moral conviction, but rather to the fact that it's been made fashionable by the mass media to be cool to gays. Also, straight women have never cared the way straight men do, and since they have so much clout today I think straight men have just caved in to being cool, so their girlfriends don't get mad at them.

Am I the only gay guy that thinks this? It feels phony to me. I just don't believe them.
 Quoting: riffraffrocks


Shitty assholes are beaten by cunts 1,000 times to 1 ..

But on Dick sucking wemen cant beat gay meat ...

so its told by the experts on the field ...

My opinion ?


Burn in hell ! I am sure no baby will come outa your hole !

kiss That is a womans turf ... sweet_kissbeauty
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
We're at a point in society where people are starting to come out of the haze of morality that has encumbered humanity in our recent history.

So I mean, by virtue of existing right now we make heterosexual people uncomfortable because "Am I gay" is a question nobody really wants to ask themselves even today because of societal reasons.

In my personal belief though I think hetero and gay men are completely inverted sexually and are unable to understand each-other, I think the best we could hope for in the future is perhaps understanding, until then It's best to keep it real simple with the straight people.
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Yes that haze of morality that resulted in everything you see around you. Let me think back to the days when we had no morality... about 1000 years ago... Vikings slaughtering villages full of people, Scottish clans constantly murdering each other, barabrians roaming Europe...

Be careful what you wish for fucko. That haze of morality is the only thing keeping people from beating your head in with a baseball bat for being a degenerate queer. You better pray that it never gets to the point that the rest of us are just as amoral as you.
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About 1000 years ago....isn't that when Christianity was the undisputed ruler of Western Civilization? Somehow the teachings of Jesus evolved into a culture of constant war. Nice indictment of your own morality, idiot.

You're comment on wanting to beat my head in with a baseball bat because I"m gay simply proves the point of my thread. Thanks for that. Lions will be lions.
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I think it is generational also.
White guys and black guys used to not hang out either.

But now you see blacks guys and white guys hanging out, usually a common bond is sports.

I have a question though.

How do u suppress arousal when showering with other males in sports or military. Isn't it like a straight guy showering with girls. Do u believe in separate shower facilities.
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We're at a point in society where people are starting to come out of the haze of morality that has encumbered humanity in our recent history.

So I mean, by virtue of existing right now we make heterosexual people uncomfortable because "Am I gay" is a question nobody really wants to ask themselves even today because of societal reasons.

In my personal belief though I think hetero and gay men are completely inverted sexually and are unable to understand each-other, I think the best we could hope for in the future is perhaps understanding, until then It's best to keep it real simple with the straight people.
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"Haze of morality"? Don't ever come near my family. I have pigs and you will disappear, you commie rat fucking bastard.
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I think he means Christian sexual mores specifically, not morals in general. By the way, why is it every person that disagrees with homosexuality here have to resort to threats of physical violence. Well, one thing is for sure. We know you're a STRAIGHT MALE.
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
I asked this question in another thread, but no one answered it.


Could you answer a question for me then? I have never understood so many people being gay. I know that there are people who are born with both male and female parts, so they have to choose which they wish to be. But this is not the typical gay people of today. The question I have is....If a guy considers himself gay, why would he go for another guy who walks, talks and act more of a female than I am....And if a female who is gay considers herself to be a lesbian goes for a female who walks, talks and act more of a man than most men I know. And these men I know are 100% straight. Oh, and by the way I am 100% straight too.
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Why can't anyone answer my question?
Deb
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I'm a 53 year old gay male and i do kind of see what the OP is eluding to.

There are gay characters in our UK soaps and everyone accepts them as they are, even the characters that you would think would be naturally homophobic in real life, and it does'nt really ring true to be honest.

On the other hand, this helps to make being gay more acceptable, so the pragmatist in me does'nt mind this.

I only began coming out to people a couple of years ago and i was pleasantly surprised that not one person, including those i was worried about, were hostile towards me.

That certainly would'nt have been the case when i was in my twenties.
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Yeah, it's all conditioning. I just think gay men and women should remember history, and that there is no guarantee that this goodwill might continue. It MIGHT continue, but it's too early to say. Just be vigilant, that's all. As some of these vicious responses to my thread show, cruel sadists are still out there in numbers....
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OK. So I'm 40 years old, and I came out when I was 16, which means I came out when being openly gay was socially marginalizing, if not downright dangerous to your physical person. This threat came almost exclusively from straight men, and it was the social norm. Since then, this new attitude towards homosexuals has arisen in many quarters, and I must say it has made life easier for me in many key respects. However, in spite of this, I can't say I entirely buy this overnight epiphany that straight men have allegedly had regarding gays, especially gay MEN.

Homosexuals have been treated like social lepers, if not as downright evil incarnate for the past 2000 years. Don't you think it's odd that straight men SUDDENLY got over it? I'm personally pretty skeptical, and don't think this is a change in behavior due to moral conviction, but rather to the fact that it's been made fashionable by the mass media to be cool to gays. Also, straight women have never cared the way straight men do, and since they have so much clout today I think straight men have just caved in to being cool, so their girlfriends don't get mad at them.

Am I the only gay guy that thinks this? It feels phony to me. I just don't believe them.
 Quoting: riffraffrocks


whateverwhateverwhatever Get a life you truly have nothing better to do with your life then to try and stir up crap. Sad!
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basically OP, we just keep quiet now. no point getting your arse arrested and thrown in with Bubba, is there?

no, we keep quiet, but we still hold the same prejudices, nicely mixed in with simmering resentment that the AVERAGE Joe is being shit all over by minorities such as yourself.

if doom happens, not GOOD at all for those surviving minorities, because that is when the gloves come off.

imho

so yes, you're right that it's bullshit!
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Thanks for being honest. Folks, we have an honest sociopath here! By the way, how exactly am I shitting all over you by being gay?
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OK. So I'm 40 years old, and I came out when I was 16, which means I came out when being openly gay was socially marginalizing, if not downright dangerous to your physical person. This threat came almost exclusively from straight men, and it was the social norm. Since then, this new attitude towards homosexuals has arisen in many quarters, and I must say it has made life easier for me in many key respects. However, in spite of this, I can't say I entirely buy this overnight epiphany that straight men have allegedly had regarding gays, especially gay MEN.

Homosexuals have been treated like social lepers, if not as downright evil incarnate for the past 2000 years. Don't you think it's odd that straight men SUDDENLY got over it? I'm personally pretty skeptical, and don't think this is a change in behavior due to moral conviction, but rather to the fact that it's been made fashionable by the mass media to be cool to gays. Also, straight women have never cared the way straight men do, and since they have so much clout today I think straight men have just caved in to being cool, so their girlfriends don't get mad at them.

Am I the only gay guy that thinks this? It feels phony to me. I just don't believe them.
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That's because 99% of straight men under the age of 40 have had homosexual experiences
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Shitty assholes are beaten by cunts 1,000 times to 1 ..



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That is a lie of the grandest porpotion!

Lots of "straight" guys like to be fucked in their shitty assholes.

Ask any tranny!
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I asked this question in another thread, but no one answered it.


Could you answer a question for me then? I have never understood so many people being gay. I know that there are people who are born with both male and female parts, so they have to choose which they wish to be. But this is not the typical gay people of today. The question I have is....If a guy considers himself gay, why would he go for another guy who walks, talks and act more of a female than I am....And if a female who is gay considers herself to be a lesbian goes for a female who walks, talks and act more of a man than most men I know. And these men I know are 100% straight. Oh, and by the way I am 100% straight too.
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Most gay men that I know like guys to be masculine, not feminine. Most of the lesbians I know don't like women to be butches. I think the better question is why do gay men tend to act femmy (gay women don't tend to act butch as much in my experience). And I flat out don't know why.
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I asked this question in another thread, but no one answered it.


Could you answer a question for me then? I have never understood so many people being gay. I know that there are people who are born with both male and female parts, so they have to choose which they wish to be. But this is not the typical gay people of today. The question I have is....If a guy considers himself gay, why would he go for another guy who walks, talks and act more of a female than I am....And if a female who is gay considers herself to be a lesbian goes for a female who walks, talks and act more of a man than most men I know. And these men I know are 100% straight. Oh, and by the way I am 100% straight too.
 Quoting: Deb1964


Because homosexuality is a self induced mental disorder.

LMAO anyone seriously thinks some "gay gene" wants to make you listen a Liza Minelli record and makes you want to wear lipstick? Fucking preposterous myth promulgated by MSM.
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How is homosexuality self-induced?
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I asked this question in another thread, but no one answered it.


Could you answer a question for me then? I have never understood so many people being gay. I know that there are people who are born with both male and female parts, so they have to choose which they wish to be. But this is not the typical gay people of today. The question I have is....If a guy considers himself gay, why would he go for another guy who walks, talks and act more of a female than I am....And if a female who is gay considers herself to be a lesbian goes for a female who walks, talks and act more of a man than most men I know. And these men I know are 100% straight. Oh, and by the way I am 100% straight too.
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Most gay men that I know like guys to be masculine, not feminine. Most of the lesbians I know don't like women to be butches. I think the better question is why do gay men tend to act femmy (gay women don't tend to act butch as much in my experience). And I flat out don't know why.
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Because, in the fetus fase, we were all women first.

And then we grew inside a bubble of water.

Feminine Principle.

On a female person.

That is why.
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Are you the only gay guy who doesn't get it? A square will not fit in the circle port.

I'm sure you know how the puzzle pieces fit together. What ever gave you the idea it's okay to stick a dick up your butt is beyond me.

You may feel one way and still know better logically. It is called self control, us married men need to use it looking at other women. We have to control our feelings, so do you.

stop being gay, please.
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What I don't get is why some of you people act flamboyant, shrill and effeminate while others are perfectly ordinary well-adjusted men.

The latter kind I've got nothing against, every man should be at liberty to put his pecker where he wants. The ones I can't stand are the in-your-face queers running around in nothing more than a pink-feathered bikini during the monthly parades they feel entitled to have.

A man should act like a man, have a sense of decency and humility and not put himself out there like the world has no greater interest than what he likes to fuck. Sexuality should be a private matter between two people, not necessarily a conversational topic and especially not a political issue.
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Preaching to the choir! I do think that some gay men do have a natural tendency to be really feminine, and because they know they are looked down on anyway decide to just magnify it that much more. I pity them, but the shrill loud ones in coffee shops bug me, too.
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I think OP is making alot of assumptions regarding heterosexual men. I honestly find most heterosexual men nice to be around and most don't have any issues with homosexuality

Honestly why would anyone have any objections to homosexuality unless they have emotions about it? Why would you feel emotions about something unless you have something inside you you are rejecting? If you didn't have homosexual feelings you wouldn't react emotionally to homosexuality

Most homo-hating is by those who are rejecting their own homosexual feelings. Otherwise there wouldn't be any emotions about it
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If that's the case about straight men, then how do you account for HISTORY? That's the point I'm trying to make. Straight men were total assholes until very, very recently. I guarantee you would not say that you "honestly find most heterosexual men nice to be around, and most don't have any issues with homosexuality" 30 or even 20 years ago. You also probably live in a large metropolitan area.
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I asked this question in another thread, but no one answered it.


Could you answer a question for me then? I have never understood so many people being gay. I know that there are people who are born with both male and female parts, so they have to choose which they wish to be. But this is not the typical gay people of today. The question I have is....If a guy considers himself gay, why would he go for another guy who walks, talks and act more of a female than I am....And if a female who is gay considers herself to be a lesbian goes for a female who walks, talks and act more of a man than most men I know. And these men I know are 100% straight. Oh, and by the way I am 100% straight too.
 Quoting: Deb1964


Most gay men that I know like guys to be masculine, not feminine. Most of the lesbians I know don't like women to be butches. I think the better question is why do gay men tend to act femmy (gay women don't tend to act butch as much in my experience). And I flat out don't know why.
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As a gay men, i am turned off completely by effeminate men and muscular men. I just like regular guys (older guys).
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Relax!! & Rejoice!! It is a brand new Day!!
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
i'll give you a strait up answer from a strait guy - happily married for 23 years.

op... you're 40... maybe too young to remember liberace. he was, for the most part a openly musician/entertainer back in the 50s and early 60s. he was always talking about "george".

anyway, people loved this guy. everybody. i mean i'm sure he had groups of people that weren't fans... but it certainly had nothing to do with his sexuality.

but now that homosexuality has hit main-stream, i think more people are actually pissed off about it and will hide it to your face and then call you a faggot behind your back.

and the reason for this, again i'm speculating, is because of this seemingly endless bombardment of pro-homosexual messages issued by the entrainment industry.

wednesday would be a perfect example of that, so much so that i even said something to my wife about it. 3 tv shows, 3 homosexual story lines.

and oddly enough, i have a lesbian friend who agrees with me completely.

another example is that football announcer, joe buck. the guy is, i think, a boring, mundane announcer at best - but then i had to be told he's gay.

why is this important information to me? seriously. who the fuck cares?!

now, i really don't even want to watch the guy. you know why? because he and his pals thought it would be best to display his sexuality into my footballs games.

some people just do not like having cultural differences thrust upon them - and they are going to react negatively, me by not watching joe buck.

i believe with a more subtle approach, society is much more apt to embrace cultural differences at their own pace, formulating opinions about the individual and not the sexuality.

in other words, forced multiculturalism doesn't not work.
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I pretty much agree with you. I don't watch TV, but if I do they somehow manage to get gay topics in on a routine basis. I live in a left-wing college town, and I NEVER see gay men (at least, that I know of). We only make up 2-3% of the population, yet it's all over the media. I don't like manufactured realities like that (including straight male "acceptance").
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Op. what are you complaining about? You're just as equal as the rest, you're the only one holding onto something.
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You can't ask people not to THINK a certain way about others. But everyone is required not to ACT on how they feel.
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I'm not asking that. I'm asking whether this recent transition in the attitude of straight men towards gay men is authentic or a put on. You may despise blacks, but not act on that. Does that comfort the black man? My concern is gay men are simply taking straight men to literally, and not seeing that they are tolerating us, but not accepting homosexual expression as a legitimate form of love. I do think I'm onto something here.
 Quoting: riffraffrocks


It is put on......and not authentic.


Any other questions?
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No. Thanks for being honest. I KNEW IT!!!
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You should be thanking the media. People call them the illuminati and while most people here would think it an evil thing, I think they are just men and women who see things in a better light and know that others will follow and listen to them because of this. They are helPing us see this existence as a unified existence, all in it together, not as a separate individual thing. Don't you think maybe, not only because they are successful and capable of creating stories and entertainment that people enjoy, that they are more aware of the world in which we live? Possibly more evolved mentally? And we, subconsciously recognize it and latch onto it?
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I pretty much agree with you. I don't watch TV, but if I do they somehow manage to get gay topics in on a routine basis. I live in a left-wing college town, and I NEVER see gay men (at least, that I know of). We only make up 2-3% of the population, yet it's all over the media. I don't like manufactured realities like that (including straight male "acceptance").
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2935487


You ain't gay. YOu are a troll!

A gay man always knows that there are ALWAYS other gay men around.
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Our schools teach it as okay and have for quite a while now. It is really stressed in college.

What does it matter how it came to be, or if it is fake?

Live, be happy.
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I care if it's authentic or fake, as all authentic people would. Fake people don't care about whether a person is sincere or not...
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
i'll give you a strait up answer from a strait guy - happily married for 23 years.

op... you're 40... maybe too young to remember liberace. he was, for the most part a openly musician/entertainer back in the 50s and early 60s. he was always talking about "george".

anyway, people loved this guy. everybody. i mean i'm sure he had groups of people that weren't fans... but it certainly had nothing to do with his sexuality.

but now that homosexuality has hit main-stream, i think more people are actually pissed off about it and will hide it to your face and then call you a faggot behind your back.

and the reason for this, again i'm speculating, is because of this seemingly endless bombardment of pro-homosexual messages issued by the entrainment industry.

wednesday would be a perfect example of that, so much so that i even said something to my wife about it. 3 tv shows, 3 homosexual story lines.

and oddly enough, i have a lesbian friend who agrees with me completely.

another example is that football announcer, joe buck. the guy is, i think, a boring, mundane announcer at best - but then i had to be told he's gay.

why is this important information to me? seriously. who the fuck cares?!

now, i really don't even want to watch the guy. you know why? because he and his pals thought it would be best to display his sexuality into my footballs games.

some people just do not like having cultural differences thrust upon them - and they are going to react negatively, me by not watching joe buck.

i believe with a more subtle approach, society is much more apt to embrace cultural differences at their own pace, formulating opinions about the individual and not the sexuality.

in other words, forced multiculturalism doesn't not work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24275310


I'm a gay man an agree with most of what you wrote there, but you have to remember that gays have been villified for years and therefore had to be assertive about their identity to gain the equality they deserve.
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Very good point. Still, the media is really overdoing it.
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
You should be thanking the media. People call them the illuminati and while most people here would think it an evil thing, I think they are just men and women who see things in a better light and know that others will follow and listen to them because of this. They are helPing us see this existence as a unified existence, all in it together, not as a separate individual thing. Don't you think maybe, not only because they are successful and capable of creating stories and entertainment that people enjoy, that they are more aware of the world in which we live? Possibly more evolved mentally? And we, subconsciously recognize it and latch onto it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19753865


YOu dont really believe this crap, do you?

They are responsible for SLAVERY.

Don't tell me that all the lashings that they gave to people's skins were for them to "teach better ways of being"....

THEY FOUGHT AGAINST OUR FIGHT FOR FREEDOM FOR AGES!!!

DUMB WHORE!
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first world problems
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Point taken. Still, it annoys me...
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
Our schools teach it as okay and have for quite a while now. It is really stressed in college.

What does it matter how it came to be, or if it is fake?

Live, be happy.
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I care if it's authentic or fake, as all authentic people would. Fake people don't care about whether a person is sincere or not...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2935487


The point this guy is trying to make, op, which you will not understand, is this: sure, people might be fake, people might be sincere, sometimes you'll know which one people are being, and sometimes you won't. Bottom line: your wasting your energy and emotion on something when you could simply just be enjoying your life right now instead of worrying what people are thinking.
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
I think you have a point about the media thing. Almost every show you watch now has a character in it that is gay. On the other hand, I also think some people have figured out that its not worth being worked up over it when it has no impact on anyone but the person(s) in question.
 Quoting: Guenwyfar


I truly believe that if a man wants to be gay, then he should be allowed to be gay. However, when that gay then turns around and DEMANDS that everyone accept them and ALL of their demands, when they refuse to allowed any demands upon them, then there is a very real problem.

Didn't our neighbor decided that parents are NOT allowed to know what the gay agenda IS teaching to our children in school? Didn't a European country decided that if a parent rejects the homosexual agenda, then their children will be forcibly removed from the home?

It seems to me that the gay agenda is the problem, not the homosexual. Problem with that is that so many homosexuals identify themselves through the agenda, that it has become the voice and demands of all homosexuals.
 Quoting: 071676


I agree with you, and I don't identify with the mainstream gay narrative at all (hence the thread question). They seem to have totalitarian objectives in getting everyone to see things their way. It's just another example of the creeping fascism worldwide.