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Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?

 
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Damn, it must be weird to have the media working for your condition.
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
So you`re being accepted now, you`re not getting beat up anymore, people don't treat you like a leper anymore and you`re........BITCHING ABOUT IT?! It`s called social engineering.First you arrange various tv shows and newscasts to reflect on the victimization of gays,you are told of innocent gays ruthlessly attacked by thugs,leaving in there wake heartbroken parents who sob and proclaim there boy never hurt anyone,and didn't deserve this.Then you pass a hate crime law that quadruples the penalty for assaulting someone based on sexual preference,and then you start parading them in public everywhere giving the illusion that theres many more than there actually is. So here we go, now the guy who would have knocked your ass out 5 years ago,feels social pressure to be more accepting of your lifestyle and to back that up he`s looking at a 10 year stint in the joint if he lays a finger on you.It`s something the authorities have been doing for decades.While blacks run the streets attacking white people left and right, the govt campaign of political correctness has pretty much castrated the white man.Any action he takes other than capitulation results in prison or societal rejection and admonishment.people are so easily manipulated,it`s kinda scary.To answer your question though,yeah it`s not a real acceptance of you by us straight guys because even though the penalties he faces for not treating you civilly will keep him in check, the actual act of male homosexuality is (sorry but true) fucking repulsive to most straight men,and if you want to test those waters just start making out with a dude in public.I wouldn`t advise it.
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I'm impressed by your "objectivity"!
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
We're at a point in society where people are starting to come out of the haze of morality that has encumbered humanity in our recent history.

So I mean, by virtue of existing right now we make heterosexual people uncomfortable because "Am I gay" is a question nobody really wants to ask themselves even today because of societal reasons.

In my personal belief though I think hetero and gay men are completely inverted sexually and are unable to understand each-other, I think the best we could hope for in the future is perhaps understanding, until then It's best to keep it real simple with the straight people.
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Best answer yet, and from an actual homo. Thanks!
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OK. So I'm 40 years old, and I came out when I was 16, which means I came out when being openly gay was socially marginalizing, if not downright dangerous to your physical person. This threat came almost exclusively from straight men, and it was the social norm. Since then, this new attitude towards homosexuals has arisen in many quarters, and I must say it has made life easier for me in many key respects. However, in spite of this, I can't say I entirely buy this overnight epiphany that straight men have allegedly had regarding gays, especially gay MEN.

Homosexuals have been treated like social lepers, if not as downright evil incarnate for the past 2000 years. Don't you think it's odd that straight men SUDDENLY got over it? I'm personally pretty skeptical, and don't think this is a change in behavior due to moral conviction, but rather to the fact that it's been made fashionable by the mass media to be cool to gays. Also, straight women have never cared the way straight men do, and since they have so much clout today I think straight men have just caved in to being cool, so their girlfriends don't get mad at them.

Am I the only gay guy that thinks this? It feels phony to me. I just don't believe them.
 Quoting: riffraffrocks


When you are trying to create a *GODLESS COUNTRY* one of the ways is to get people to marganalize issues like Sexual morality which encompasses homosexuality, abortion, condoms for underage teens, transgenderism, etc...


It is not that their has not been homosexuals like yourself in the world for eons, what is different today, is spotlighting it as a Social Norm, that is in line with heterosexuality, if you can accomplish that with society you can make them accept it, therefore rejecting the ideas of Biblical Morality, living and values, thus creating a GODLESS SOCIETY...

Yes their has always been an AGENDA behind today's Homosexual Movement

Susie

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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
I think you might be misinterpreting straight guys.. you think they don't like you because you're gay. I just skimmed through 6 pages of this drivel & I don't like you because I think you're a bit of an idiot..

I'm pretty sure a few of those times you got beat up as a teen wasn't because you're "gay".

You can keep telling yourself that's why people "tolerate" you. What ever it takes to maintain that 'adorable' sense of entitlement, I suppose.. Just sayin.
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I was never beat up as a teen, so apparently you're not reading too closely. You're not answering the thread either so fuck off.
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
So you`re being accepted now, you`re not getting beat up anymore, people don't treat you like a leper anymore and you`re........BITCHING ABOUT IT?! It`s called social engineering.First you arrange various tv shows and newscasts to reflect on the victimization of gays,you are told of innocent gays ruthlessly attacked by thugs,leaving in there wake heartbroken parents who sob and proclaim there boy never hurt anyone,and didn't deserve this.Then you pass a hate crime law that quadruples the penalty for assaulting someone based on sexual preference,and then you start parading them in public everywhere giving the illusion that theres many more than there actually is. So here we go, now the guy who would have knocked your ass out 5 years ago,feels social pressure to be more accepting of your lifestyle and to back that up he`s looking at a 10 year stint in the joint if he lays a finger on you.It`s something the authorities have been doing for decades.While blacks run the streets attacking white people left and right, the govt campaign of political correctness has pretty much castrated the white man.Any action he takes other than capitulation results in prison or societal rejection and admonishment.people are so easily manipulated,it`s kinda scary.To answer your question though,yeah it`s not a real acceptance of you by us straight guys because even though the penalties he faces for not treating you civilly will keep him in check, the actual act of male homosexuality is (sorry but true) fucking repulsive to most straight men,and if you want to test those waters just start making out with a dude in public.I wouldn`t advise it.
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I'm impressed by your "objectivity"!
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I`m being honest.I believe that if everyone would just say what`s on there minds rather than doing themselves a disservice and keeping there true feelings bottled up, things would be tremendously easier in life.
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
Hey OP

Firstly please, whatever you do, don't come to some kind of decision about humanity (or the straight male portion of it) based upon what you dredged up here on GLP.

Jezuz, if I had to assume that all American's were like the American's here I'd freakin hate America. You know what I'm saying?

But to take a shot at answering your question:
I am a straight male. I was pretty mercilessly hit on by gay men when I was a boy. I disliked the unwelcome attention intensely but didn't know what to do with it or how to cope. As a result of this I became quite the homophobe. Back then I would spout some really hateful stuff about "faggots" with the least prompting. Because, you see, I made the basic error of assuming that all gay men were just like the small subset that hit on me and tried to - I don't know, turn me? - when they could see that this made me uncomfortable.

I have since grown up a bit. With maturity comes the ability to hold some complexity in my mind. Some gay men are abusive bastards. True. But so what? Some straight men are too. And since being willing to open my mind a little I have met some gay men that are all kinds of other thing too: fun, smart, kind... all kinds of good attributes. And since I am not a child anymore if I get hit on by a man, it doesn't confuse the hell out of me, I just decline the invitation. So no problem.

You see, OP, just as gay men are not all "one thing", neither are straight men. Many are still hurt and confused about their own stuff and so respond with hate and anger. They lash out at you because they have pain and confusion within themselves. These same guys are pretty aweful to women too. It all comes from their own inner pain and fear.

But not all are like that. Some have grown up. Some straight men will take you as you are for a human being. Irrespective of your sexuality.

Final point, OP. If you go looking for evidence of anything at all, you will find it. If you want evidence that straight men are inherently hateful towards gay men... good luck, you'll find it. So be careful with your postulates, hmm?
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Great response, and you're right that it's stupid to make the assumption that all straight men are phony in their intentions. Still, I think the way straight guys connect is different when a gay guy connects with a straight guy in that it's limited somewhat.

Whatever the case, I'm pretty much over this thread. Thanks for tuning in...
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
So you`re being accepted now, you`re not getting beat up anymore, people don't treat you like a leper anymore and you`re........BITCHING ABOUT IT?! It`s called social engineering.First you arrange various tv shows and newscasts to reflect on the victimization of gays,you are told of innocent gays ruthlessly attacked by thugs,leaving in there wake heartbroken parents who sob and proclaim there boy never hurt anyone,and didn't deserve this.Then you pass a hate crime law that quadruples the penalty for assaulting someone based on sexual preference,and then you start parading them in public everywhere giving the illusion that theres many more than there actually is. So here we go, now the guy who would have knocked your ass out 5 years ago,feels social pressure to be more accepting of your lifestyle and to back that up he`s looking at a 10 year stint in the joint if he lays a finger on you.It`s something the authorities have been doing for decades.While blacks run the streets attacking white people left and right, the govt campaign of political correctness has pretty much castrated the white man.Any action he takes other than capitulation results in prison or societal rejection and admonishment.people are so easily manipulated,it`s kinda scary.To answer your question though,yeah it`s not a real acceptance of you by us straight guys because even though the penalties he faces for not treating you civilly will keep him in check, the actual act of male homosexuality is (sorry but true) fucking repulsive to most straight men,and if you want to test those waters just start making out with a dude in public.I wouldn`t advise it.
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I'm impressed by your "objectivity"!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27429420

I`m being honest.I believe that if everyone would just say what`s on there minds rather than doing themselves a disservice and keeping there true feelings bottled up, things would be tremendously easier in life.
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Nothing in the thread says I'm bitching about the increasing tolerance of gays. I'm only question how sincere straight men are that's all. And I don't think they're sincere at all precisely because deep down they find it "fucking repulsive". I'd rather everyone just be honest about this stuff, and stop being so politically correct (ESPECIALLY GAY MEN). Thanks for the honest reply.
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So you`re being accepted now, you`re not getting beat up anymore, people don't treat you like a leper anymore and you`re........BITCHING ABOUT IT?! It`s called social engineering.First you arrange various tv shows and newscasts to reflect on the victimization of gays,you are told of innocent gays ruthlessly attacked by thugs,leaving in there wake heartbroken parents who sob and proclaim there boy never hurt anyone,and didn't deserve this.Then you pass a hate crime law that quadruples the penalty for assaulting someone based on sexual preference,and then you start parading them in public everywhere giving the illusion that theres many more than there actually is. So here we go, now the guy who would have knocked your ass out 5 years ago,feels social pressure to be more accepting of your lifestyle and to back that up he`s looking at a 10 year stint in the joint if he lays a finger on you.It`s something the authorities have been doing for decades.While blacks run the streets attacking white people left and right, the govt campaign of political correctness has pretty much castrated the white man.Any action he takes other than capitulation results in prison or societal rejection and admonishment.people are so easily manipulated,it`s kinda scary.To answer your question though,yeah it`s not a real acceptance of you by us straight guys because even though the penalties he faces for not treating you civilly will keep him in check, the actual act of male homosexuality is (sorry but true) fucking repulsive to most straight men,and if you want to test those waters just start making out with a dude in public.I wouldn`t advise it.
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I'm impressed by your "objectivity"!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27429420

I`m being honest.I believe that if everyone would just say what`s on there minds rather than doing themselves a disservice and keeping there true feelings bottled up, things would be tremendously easier in life.
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Nothing in the thread says I'm bitching about the increasing tolerance of gays. I'm only question how sincere straight men are that's all. And I don't think they're sincere at all precisely because deep down they find it "fucking repulsive". I'd rather everyone just be honest about this stuff, and stop being so politically correct (ESPECIALLY GAY MEN). Thanks for the honest reply.
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More people are concerned about being Politically Correct..

Welcome to the world of *Liberalism*
Susie

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So you`re being accepted now, you`re not getting beat up anymore, people don't treat you like a leper anymore and you`re........BITCHING ABOUT IT?! It`s called social engineering.First you arrange various tv shows and newscasts to reflect on the victimization of gays,you are told of innocent gays ruthlessly attacked by thugs,leaving in there wake heartbroken parents who sob and proclaim there boy never hurt anyone,and didn't deserve this.Then you pass a hate crime law that quadruples the penalty for assaulting someone based on sexual preference,and then you start parading them in public everywhere giving the illusion that theres many more than there actually is. So here we go, now the guy who would have knocked your ass out 5 years ago,feels social pressure to be more accepting of your lifestyle and to back that up he`s looking at a 10 year stint in the joint if he lays a finger on you.It`s something the authorities have been doing for decades.While blacks run the streets attacking white people left and right, the govt campaign of political correctness has pretty much castrated the white man.Any action he takes other than capitulation results in prison or societal rejection and admonishment.people are so easily manipulated,it`s kinda scary.To answer your question though,yeah it`s not a real acceptance of you by us straight guys because even though the penalties he faces for not treating you civilly will keep him in check, the actual act of male homosexuality is (sorry but true) fucking repulsive to most straight men,and if you want to test those waters just start making out with a dude in public.I wouldn`t advise it.
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I'm impressed by your "objectivity"!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27429420

I`m being honest.I believe that if everyone would just say what`s on there minds rather than doing themselves a disservice and keeping there true feelings bottled up, things would be tremendously easier in life.
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Nothing in the thread says I'm bitching about the increasing tolerance of gays. I'm only question how sincere straight men are that's all. And I don't think they're sincere at all precisely because deep down they find it "fucking repulsive". I'd rather everyone just be honest about this stuff, and stop being so politically correct (ESPECIALLY GAY MEN). Thanks for the honest reply.
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They are not "repulsed" by it. They want to be fisted in the ass, stupid bitch!
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You can't make everyone like you man. Some people will always be averse to homosexuality. As long as they aren't using violence against you I would just go on with life and not care about what other people are really thinking. Tolerance does not equal acceptance, nor should it.
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Tolerance doesn't equal acceptance. Fine! That's honest. It also means that gay men should stop acting like straight men are there buds, because that will never be the case. You can train a lion to tolerate a lamb in its cage, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a lion. Frankly, straight men have demonstrated themselves to be too cruel over the ages to be reformed. Gay men better remember that...
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You actually seem at least as intolerant and biased against straight men as you believe them to be against you. Talking about Gay/Straight when people are just people, with different orientations. You need to wake up and smell the 21st century buddy.

Attitudes like yours are NOT acceptable. Hate is NEVER acceptable. One day, you are going to have to accept those who are different from you, and just deal with it.

Straight men who don't hate gay men are HERE, we are PROUD, and we are NOT GOING TO HIDE IT ANYMORE! 5a
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WHERE WERE YOU THE PAST TWO THOUSAND YEARS??? If we were having this conversation 30 years ago I guarantee you wouldn't be acting all self-righteously proud of how you like gays. You would have joined the jamboree, and said how homosexuality is abnormal, an aberration, yadda yadda yadda. How do I know this? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE SAID BACK THEN. JUST LIKE THEY SAID IT FOR COUNTLESS CENTURIES BEFORE. I'm sure there were straights that would have had the guts to speak up for us, but they were a tiny minority, and didn't dare anyway because the mob would have eaten them alive.

You can act all enlightened if you like, but the fact is that no one stood up for us since time immemorial until just the past 15-20 years. My guess is with you is that you are cool to gays because it's fashionable, just as 30 years ago you would have been a dick to gays because THAT was fashionable. That's the key...you follow THE FASHION, not due to any moral courage on your part.
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I wasn't even born 30 years ago, why am I responsible for histories mistakes? Your problem isn't being homosexual, it's just being stupid and looking for things to be offended by. Most of my gay friends are easily twice as intelligent as you, and are literally lol'ing over this thread. I'm not even "cool" to gays. I'm generally friendly to people, regardless of race/creed/orientation. And I'm about the furthest thing from fashionable you could imagine.

A direct quote from my gay friend Paul upon viewing this thread: "I bet he cries like a b---- when it's time to play bottom, too."
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You still can't get over your irrational hatred of straight men---without knowing me, I can't not hate gay men because I actually don't...you know...feel hatred towards them. It has to be because I'm just following the fashion of the time. How could you know that? You don't, but it makes sense to you, because all straight men are de facto untrustworthy and hostile to gays.

Basically, you have the exact same irrational preconceptions about straight men that you believe they harbor about you.
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Homosexuals should be Rounded up on The streets and Executed.
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By 'haze of morality', I mean the mind-set that enables you to call me a commie and assume all this negative stuff because I'm a gay person, just because I want people to stop using false-morality to justify prejudice doesn't mean I'm a commie.

But at the same time I'm not going to say "I think straight and gay men are the same" because of political correctness.

In my experience homosexual men are generally smarter than their heterosexual counterparts, we think with our feelings more and the realization of your own homosexuality is the first step in a long, internal journey that most straight men don't even begin in their lifetime, because they have no reason to journey outside of the normalcy bias they have made their life inside of.

So to me you're not only ignorant, but emotionally and mentally stunted, and not just as a result of conditioning but because you're being physically destroyed through what you eat, and drink.

You're worried about me coming near your family? worry about yourself, because who's going to protect your children from your ignorance.

That's why I applaud the progressive moved LGBT people have made over the past 10 years, because now we don't even care if you accept us or not, we don't care about tolerance.

We're just going to move forward, in a very scientific way and we'll condition you to be complacent with the fact that we're conditioning your children through the media and in schools to be accepting of homosexual, lesbian and trans people.

Then when you die, your children will be your legacy that will think closer to what we desire, and the world will slowly change.

So back to what I said earlier about the fact that we are smarter; the proof is that we're patient and creating change slowly, where you go for protests and large events thinking change will happen all at once, reflective of your stunted mindset.
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By 'haze of morality', I mean the mind-set that enables you to call me a commie and assume all this negative stuff because I'm a gay person, just because I want people to stop using false-morality to justify prejudice doesn't mean I'm a commie.

But at the same time I'm not going to say "I think straight and gay men are the same" because of political correctness.

In my experience homosexual men are generally smarter than their heterosexual counterparts, we think with our feelings more and the realization of your own homosexuality is the first step in a long, internal journey that most straight men don't even begin in their lifetime, because they have no reason to journey outside of the normalcy bias they have made their life inside of.

So to me you're not only ignorant, but emotionally and mentally stunted, and not just as a result of conditioning but because you're being physically destroyed through what you eat, and drink.

You're worried about me coming near your family? worry about yourself, because who's going to protect your children from your ignorance.

That's why I applaud the progressive moved LGBT people have made over the past 10 years, because now we don't even care if you accept us or not, we don't care about tolerance.

We're just going to move forward, in a very scientific way and we'll condition you to be complacent with the fact that we're conditioning your children through the media and in schools to be accepting of homosexual, lesbian and trans people.

Then when you die, your children will be your legacy that will think closer to what we desire, and the world will slowly change.

So back to what I said earlier about the fact that we are smarter; the proof is that we're patient and creating change slowly, where you go for protests and large events thinking change will happen all at once, reflective of your stunted mindset.
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I don't have a problem with homosexuals, but I do have a huge problem with the agenda. I am not alone. Most people that have a problem with homosexuality is because of the agenda.

The "agenda" is not teaching that homosexuals can be an asset to the community, they are demanding that schools present ONLY the homosexual viewpoint. No other viewpoint is allowed. The "agenda" is not teaching tolerance, it teaches hate. When my grand-daughter came home and told me that they were telling all of the school kids that heterosexuality was wrong and that only homosexuality was acceptable to GOD, I blew up. it is not just her school, but it is demanded to be force taught at ALL public schools, K-12. What the hell does a kindergarten child need to know about sexuality!
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you are absolutely spot on op
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OK. So I'm 40 years old, and I came out when I was 16, which means I came out when being openly gay was socially marginalizing, if not downright dangerous to your physical person. This threat came almost exclusively from straight men, and it was the social norm. Since then, this new attitude towards homosexuals has arisen in many quarters, and I must say it has made life easier for me in many key respects. However, in spite of this, I can't say I entirely buy this overnight epiphany that straight men have allegedly had regarding gays, especially gay MEN.

Homosexuals have been treated like social lepers, if not as downright evil incarnate for the past 2000 years. Don't you think it's odd that straight men SUDDENLY got over it? I'm personally pretty skeptical, and don't think this is a change in behavior due to moral conviction, but rather to the fact that it's been made fashionable by the mass media to be cool to gays. Also, straight women have never cared the way straight men do, and since they have so much clout today I think straight men have just caved in to being cool, so their girlfriends don't get mad at them.

Am I the only gay guy that thinks this? It feels phony to me. I just don't believe them.
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Ummmm - ”…moral conviction”?

Dude – this is incredible! The very idea that a person would change their position and accept homosexuality based upon moral conviction? Especially in light of His Holy Word:

2Pe 3:3 knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires.

or

2Ti 3:1-4 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,

All I can do at this point is pray and plead with you to forsake your own way…repent and surrender to Jesus or you will know regret that is beyond comprehension!
God Is! We're not! Let's knock off all the nonsense!
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I don't have a problem with straight people but I acknowledge that they are an incompatible existence.

We don't want to be an asset to your community, we don't want to live as guests in your world, I don't care to be viewed as an outsider, or as a token existence in your heterosexual sitcom.

For the gay community at large, It's not about acceptance and It's not about hate, It's about taking what we feel entitled to and not relying on your kind to give us the 'ok' to breath, to live our lives.

We are not your slaves, we are not a subservient group of people that should feel grateful because we are tolerated, so we're going to go ahead and change the rules of society and the role humans play in their interpersonal relations because we find no value in the society and world your people have created.

Frankly your god is dead, long live science.
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I don't have a problem with straight people but I acknowledge that they are an incompatible existence.

We don't want to be an asset to your community, we don't want to live as guests in your world, I don't care to be viewed as an outsider, or as a token existence in your heterosexual sitcom.

For the gay community at large, It's not about acceptance and It's not about hate, It's about taking what we feel entitled to and not relying on your kind to give us the 'ok' to breath, to live our lives.

We are not your slaves, we are not a subservient group of people that should feel grateful because we are tolerated, so we're going to go ahead and change the rules of society and the role humans play in their interpersonal relations because we find no value in the society and world your people have created.

Frankly your god is dead, long live science.
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aaaaannnnd...this is exactly what NAMBLA will say to you!
God Is! We're not! Let's knock off all the nonsense!
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By 'haze of morality', I mean the mind-set that enables you to call me a commie and assume all this negative stuff because I'm a gay person, just because I want people to stop using false-morality to justify prejudice doesn't mean I'm a commie.

But at the same time I'm not going to say "I think straight and gay men are the same" because of political correctness.

In my experience homosexual men are generally smarter than their heterosexual counterparts, we think with our feelings more and the realization of your own homosexuality is the first step in a long, internal journey that most straight men don't even begin in their lifetime, because they have no reason to journey outside of the normalcy bias they have made their life inside of.

So to me you're not only ignorant, but emotionally and mentally stunted, and not just as a result of conditioning but because you're being physically destroyed through what you eat, and drink.

You're worried about me coming near your family? worry about yourself, because who's going to protect your children from your ignorance.

That's why I applaud the progressive moved LGBT people have made over the past 10 years, because now we don't even care if you accept us or not, we don't care about tolerance.

We're just going to move forward, in a very scientific way and we'll condition you to be complacent with the fact that we're conditioning your children through the media and in schools to be accepting of homosexual, lesbian and trans people.

Then when you die, your children will be your legacy that will think closer to what we desire, and the world will slowly change.

So back to what I said earlier about the fact that we are smarter; the proof is that we're patient and creating change slowly, where you go for protests and large events thinking change will happen all at once, reflective of your stunted mindset.
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I don't have a problem with homosexuals, but I do have a huge problem with the agenda. I am not alone. Most people that have a problem with homosexuality is because of the agenda.

The "agenda" is not teaching that homosexuals can be an asset to the community, they are demanding that schools present ONLY the homosexual viewpoint. No other viewpoint is allowed. The "agenda" is not teaching tolerance, it teaches hate. When my grand-daughter came home and told me that they were telling all of the school kids that heterosexuality was wrong and that only homosexuality was acceptable to GOD, I blew up. it is not just her school, but it is demanded to be force taught at ALL public schools, K-12. What the hell does a kindergarten child need to know about sexuality!
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I seriously want a source on this, because it sounds completely preposterous.


Anyway, I'm a gay 22 year old male, in a relationship over 1.5 years now.

It's all sorts, just like with any progression of rights, tolerance, and (oh boy) even acceptance.

There's still going to be, 50 years from now, *some* people who absolutely HATE (outright hate) that a black and a white person are marrying.

But by this, and especially by that point of 50 years from now, they'll never admit it except when in very private conversations... or pure anonymity (HI GLP!!).

It's just becoming the same for sexuality, in particular male homosexuality (but over time, includes transsexualism, bisexuality, etc, more and more).

Anything we are, anything we do, is, imo, a combination of the following:

-genetics
-upbringing/environment
-pure choice

The first two work hand in hand, while your pure choice, is NOT limitless (forget the rhetoric that says otherwise), but it is still usually more broad than we tend to believe.

Homosexuality isn't a choice.
Being gay (as in, accepting homosexuality in yourself), is just remotely a choice.
Having sex with another man is a choice, reflective of things that are not a choice.
Having a relationship, especially long-term ones with another man, is a fully conscious choice, based on the above things.

And its the same with straight men's reaction to it:

Being heterosexual isn't a choice.
Knowing that gays exist isn't a choice.
Being repulsed by homosexual acts isn't a choice (duh, you're straight).
Accepting homosexuality as a fact of the human condition is a choice.
Tolerating homosexuals is a choice.
Accepting homosexuals (not just tolerating, or understanding they exist) is a choice.

We may be turned from one side to the other on things, based on genetic makeup and environmental influences (MANY of them), but choice does, and always will exist.

So we'll see seemingly 'cool with it' straight guys, who then pitch a fucking fit in their mind if they see two guys hold hands.

Whatever. It doesn't matter anymore. Things are moving forward, and I'm happy to see that in USA, within 50 years tops, it just won't be even remotely a big deal to most people.

One of my best friends in high school (I guess several years ago now) was a straight guy who wound up in the military. He always had girls/women to have sex with, but he preferred closer relationships, so he was usually with a girl for a couple years, even if his relationships eventually would end.

So he's masculine, in longer relationships with females, etc. But his best friend is gay? Mind you, I'm not effeminate (have barely an issue with guys who are, as long as you're not annoying *about* it), and I would have done barely anything to his chances with girls.

There's always going to be stand-up people like him in the world, just as there are guys with crappy attitudes (HI GLP!!).

We're still friends to this day, and he's planning to visit my boyfriend and I within a couple months.
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I don't have a problem with straight people but I acknowledge that they are an incompatible existence.

We don't want to be an asset to your community, we don't want to live as guests in your world, I don't care to be viewed as an outsider, or as a token existence in your heterosexual sitcom.

For the gay community at large, It's not about acceptance and It's not about hate, It's about taking what we feel entitled to and not relying on your kind to give us the 'ok' to breath, to live our lives.

We are not your slaves, we are not a subservient group of people that should feel grateful because we are tolerated, so we're going to go ahead and change the rules of society and the role humans play in their interpersonal relations because we find no value in the society and world your people have created.

Frankly your god is dead, long live science.
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aaaaannnnd...this is exactly what NAMBLA will say to you!
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See, the hugely defining difference between being gay and being a pedophile is that the pedophile is seeking sexual activity and 'relationships' with those not even cognizant of their own sexuality.

It's the same reason I'm against clearly teaching anything about sexuality until at least the age of 12-14, and then don't get into details until 14-16. This includes heterosexuality, homosexuality, transgendered issues, and so on.

A child cannot give informed consent. Same with bestiality - an animal cannot give sapient consent.

Beat off all you want about it, but don't fucking look at or touch a child or animal in that way, especially a child.
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
Most of the guys that I know hate queers.

Only kooky libtarded men are homo lovers.
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I don't have a problem with straight people but I acknowledge that they are an incompatible existence.

We don't want to be an asset to your community, we don't want to live as guests in your world, I don't care to be viewed as an outsider, or as a token existence in your heterosexual sitcom.

For the gay community at large, It's not about acceptance and It's not about hate, It's about taking what we feel entitled to and not relying on your kind to give us the 'ok' to breath, to live our lives.

We are not your slaves, we are not a subservient group of people that should feel grateful because we are tolerated, so we're going to go ahead and change the rules of society and the role humans play in their interpersonal relations because we find no value in the society and world your people have created.

Frankly your god is dead, long live science.
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aaaaannnnd...this is exactly what NAMBLA will say to you!
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See, the hugely defining difference between being gay and being a pedophile is that the pedophile is seeking sexual activity and 'relationships' with those not even cognizant of their own sexuality.

It's the same reason I'm against clearly teaching anything about sexuality until at least the age of 12-14, and then don't get into details until 14-16. This includes heterosexuality, homosexuality, transgendered issues, and so on.

A child cannot give informed consent. Same with bestiality - an animal cannot give sapient consent.

Beat off all you want about it, but don't fucking look at or touch a child or animal in that way, especially a child.
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While I appreciate your "hands off" stance when it comes to children...I (respectfully) think you missed the point regarding moral absolutes! For example, I repeat what God teaches us from His Holy Word...then you, by choice, reject His Standard to abide by your own standards! For example, in this instance you point out that NAMBLA is immoral! So…without moral absolutes, you don’t have a legitimate moral foundation to stand upon! You say homosexuality is “normal” but NAMBLA is anathema to morality…but then NAMBLA comes in and say’s, “man boy love is normal”…and on and on it goes!
Without moral absolutes, *anything* goes!
I don’t think God is going to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah!
God Is! We're not! Let's knock off all the nonsense!
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
Sorry but as an adult I'm not disgusted by heterosexual sex, women are beautiful and although I don't feel a sexual or sensual spark, I am not disgusted by the form or any of its motions.

So I don't really understand why heterosexual people are disgusted by two men kissing, maybe grow up because we (gay men ) see things we aren't interested in kissing all the time, and the feeling is strange and excluding to us at first, ( being gay is our normal ) but after you grow up at the age of around 15 or so you realize it's no big deal.

But gay people aren't as visible until recently, so most heterosexual men don't really get to process the feeling that takes them away from what they consider normal sexually, so you get a lot of childish reactions from adults.

Let's not blur the lines of sexuality and prejudice, please.
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being gay is now a style...not just a life choice I guess
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Gay guys don't bother me at all, as long as they aren't trying to suck my dick or get butt sex the more power to them!

Bit crude, but totally honest.
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Also lol, let's not get confused, being a pedophile is a very different thing from being a gay person.

I'm not a pedophile though, and I never really understood why heterosexual men associate homosexuality with pedophilia, It's just funny to me because I hear straight men talking about having sex with underage women all the time, where the gay people I know never talk about it at all, and from what I can tell never think of it.

So to me I think pedophilia is more closely associated with heterosexual people than homosexual people, because I don't know any gay people who aspire to date children.

But I do know a whole lot of straight people who would have sex with an underage girl if they knew they could do it without getting caught, and you're most likely one of them because I'm sure at some point you've said "I can't wait for so-and-so to turn 18", and that makes you a pedophile pretty much.
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Also lol, let's not get confused, being a pedophile is a very different thing from being a gay person.

I'm not a pedophile though, and I never really understood why heterosexual men associate homosexuality with pedophilia, It's just funny to me because I hear straight men talking about having sex with underage women all the time, where the gay people I know never talk about it at all, and from what I can tell never think of it.

So to me I think pedophilia is more closely associated with heterosexual people than homosexual people, because I don't know any gay people who aspire to date children.

But I do know a whole lot of straight people who would have sex with an underage girl if they knew they could do it without getting caught, and you're most likely one of them because I'm sure at some point you've said "I can't wait for so-and-so to turn 18", and that makes you a pedophile pretty much.
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This is a disingenuous diversion – its not about the “homosexuals are not pedo’s” argument – the point is about moral absolutes!

By rejecting moral absolutes you set yourself upon the slippery slope of moral relativism…where, anything goes!

Btw, please don’t assume that you wouldn’t appreciate my company with you over a cup of coffee at Starbucks, because such is the case for anyone that chooses to not hate me because they disagree with me!

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You are genetically flawed.
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I don't have a problem with straight people but I acknowledge that they are an incompatible existence.

We don't want to be an asset to your community, we don't want to live as guests in your world, I don't care to be viewed as an outsider, or as a token existence in your heterosexual sitcom.

For the gay community at large, It's not about acceptance and It's not about hate, It's about taking what we feel entitled to and not relying on your kind to give us the 'ok' to breath, to live our lives.

We are not your slaves, we are not a subservient group of people that should feel grateful because we are tolerated, so we're going to go ahead and change the rules of society and the role humans play in their interpersonal relations because we find no value in the society and world your people have created.

Frankly your god is dead, long live science.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2295286


aaaaannnnd...this is exactly what NAMBLA will say to you!
 Quoting: jdb


See, the hugely defining difference between being gay and being a pedophile is that the pedophile is seeking sexual activity and 'relationships' with those not even cognizant of their own sexuality.

It's the same reason I'm against clearly teaching anything about sexuality until at least the age of 12-14, and then don't get into details until 14-16. This includes heterosexuality, homosexuality, transgendered issues, and so on.

A child cannot give informed consent. Same with bestiality - an animal cannot give sapient consent.

Beat off all you want about it, but don't fucking look at or touch a child or animal in that way, especially a child.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18958614


While I appreciate your "hands off" stance when it comes to children...I (respectfully) think you missed the point regarding moral absolutes! For example, I repeat what God teaches us from His Holy Word...then you, by choice, reject His Standard to abide by your own standards! For example, in this instance you point out that NAMBLA is immoral! So…without moral absolutes, you don’t have a legitimate moral foundation to stand upon! You say homosexuality is “normal” but NAMBLA is anathema to morality…but then NAMBLA comes in and say’s, “man boy love is normal”…and on and on it goes!
Without moral absolutes, *anything* goes!
I don’t think God is going to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah!
 Quoting: jdb


Which God? Which Holy Word? Which version? Which translation (sometimes written by otherwise illiterate monks)? Which book? Was it the one discarded by the early Church? Because there's several of those.

Please.

There are no moral absolutes *in reality*. Whatever you think, its formed by genetics, and environment, synthesizing into your possible choices. You're a Christian because:

1)You're disposed to faith (fun fact, many human minds are not)
2)You're been exposed to Christian teachings, community, and literature.
3)You decide to head towards your inclination, helped along by environment.

If you were born in the middle of a 99% Muslim area, you wouldn't be Christian, regardless of Word of God or anything else. Same with Buddhist, same with a cultist compound in the middle of nowhere.


Do we CREATE moral absolutes to form our ethics, however? Yes, we do. It's not necessarily bad to, either. Moral absolutism is at times and in ways, required for social and other forms of cohesion. "Killing is bad, m'kay" is a nice way to start.

However, we also see many people believing absolutely that Killing Is Bad, instead root for:
-Let's kill the Bad Guy
-Those People are Killers so Let's Kill Them in Defense
-You Don't Deserve To Life So I'll Let Others Kill You

Including many, many Christians.

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