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Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?

 
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aaaaannnnd...this is exactly what NAMBLA will say to you!
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See, the hugely defining difference between being gay and being a pedophile is that the pedophile is seeking sexual activity and 'relationships' with those not even cognizant of their own sexuality.

It's the same reason I'm against clearly teaching anything about sexuality until at least the age of 12-14, and then don't get into details until 14-16. This includes heterosexuality, homosexuality, transgendered issues, and so on.

A child cannot give informed consent. Same with bestiality - an animal cannot give sapient consent.

Beat off all you want about it, but don't fucking look at or touch a child or animal in that way, especially a child.
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While I appreciate your "hands off" stance when it comes to children...I (respectfully) think you missed the point regarding moral absolutes! For example, I repeat what God teaches us from His Holy Word...then you, by choice, reject His Standard to abide by your own standards! For example, in this instance you point out that NAMBLA is immoral! So…without moral absolutes, you don’t have a legitimate moral foundation to stand upon! You say homosexuality is “normal” but NAMBLA is anathema to morality…but then NAMBLA comes in and say’s, “man boy love is normal”…and on and on it goes!
Without moral absolutes, *anything* goes!
I don’t think God is going to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah!
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Which God? Which Holy Word? Which version? Which translation (sometimes written by otherwise illiterate monks)? Which book? Was it the one discarded by the early Church? Because there's several of those.

Please.

There are no moral absolutes *in reality*. Whatever you think, its formed by genetics, and environment, synthesizing into your possible choices. You're a Christian because:

1)You're disposed to faith (fun fact, many human minds are not)
2)You're been exposed to Christian teachings, community, and literature.
3)You decide to head towards your inclination, helped along by environment.

If you were born in the middle of a 99% Muslim area, you wouldn't be Christian, regardless of Word of God or anything else. Same with Buddhist, same with a cultist compound in the middle of nowhere.


Do we CREATE moral absolutes to form our ethics, however? Yes, we do. It's not necessarily bad to, either. Moral absolutism is at times and in ways, required for social and other forms of cohesion. "Killing is bad, m'kay" is a nice way to start.

However, we also see many people believing absolutely that Killing Is Bad, instead root for:
-Let's kill the Bad Guy
-Those People are Killers so Let's Kill Them in Defense
-You Don't Deserve To Life So I'll Let Others Kill You

Including many, many Christians.
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See...now your talking...please give me a couple of minutes to answer this one...and please notice my Starbucks comment
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i think you are a narcissist and just want to talk about yourself
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Sorry but as an adult I'm not disgusted by heterosexual sex, women are beautiful and although I don't feel a sexual or sensual spark, I am not disgusted by the form or any of its motions.

So I don't really understand why heterosexual people are disgusted by two men kissing, maybe grow up because we (gay men ) see things we aren't interested in kissing all the time, and the feeling is strange and excluding to us at first, ( being gay is our normal ) but after you grow up at the age of around 15 or so you realize it's no big deal.

But gay people aren't as visible until recently, so most heterosexual men don't really get to process the feeling that takes them away from what they consider normal sexually, so you get a lot of childish reactions from adults.

Let's not blur the lines of sexuality and prejudice, please.
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I'm gay and I find some women very aesthetically beautiful. At the same time, I don't want to have sex with any woman I've met, and only very very very very few that I've seen (and only if I tried damn hard to think about liking it).

My boyfriend probably wouldn't admit it, but he probably finds certain Arab (he's Lebanese) women beautiful enough to at least kiss. At minimum, he finds them very good looking. At the same time, 'twinks' have turned him on 10fold since he was a teen. (I'm not exactly twinky especially since I've started working out, but I'm a thin white guy with youthful look, so I count enough)

And yet, I know gay guys who are absolutely repulsed by the thought of a vagina.

It's all over the place. What matters is how much we accept this in ourselves, and how much we harmfully repress.


A friend I met in my classes this year is 25 and just came out as bi to his parents this summer.

He's VERY masculine, and 99% of people wouldn't even begin to think he's gay about anything, except for the fact that he looks like he'd belong on the cover of Men's Fitness or something, from his frequent exercise and great diet etc.

But did he go for guys? Nope, at least not yet. He came out several months ago, was single (but not looking) for a bit, and he recently started a relationship with a pretty cool girl in my class.

It's happening, slowly but surely.
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Gay guys don't bother me at all, as long as they aren't trying to suck my dick or get butt sex the more power to them!

Bit crude, but totally honest.
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Honestly, if you're at least mostly straight, then that's a good approach to take.

As long as you're not punching out the guy that remotely hits on you.
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Sorry but as an adult I'm not disgusted by heterosexual sex, women are beautiful and although I don't feel a sexual or sensual spark, I am not disgusted by the form or any of its motions.

So I don't really understand why heterosexual people are disgusted by two men kissing, maybe grow up because we (gay men ) see things we aren't interested in kissing all the time, and the feeling is strange and excluding to us at first, ( being gay is our normal ) but after you grow up at the age of around 15 or so you realize it's no big deal.

But gay people aren't as visible until recently, so most heterosexual men don't really get to process the feeling that takes them away from what they consider normal sexually, so you get a lot of childish reactions from adults.

Let's not blur the lines of sexuality and prejudice, please.
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I'm gay and I find some women very aesthetically beautiful. At the same time, I don't want to have sex with any woman I've met, and only very very very very few that I've seen (and only if I tried damn hard to think about liking it).

My boyfriend probably wouldn't admit it, but he probably finds certain Arab (he's Lebanese) women beautiful enough to at least kiss. At minimum, he finds them very good looking. At the same time, 'twinks' have turned him on 10fold since he was a teen. (I'm not exactly twinky especially since I've started working out, but I'm a thin white guy with youthful look, so I count enough)

And yet, I know gay guys who are absolutely repulsed by the thought of a vagina.

It's all over the place. What matters is how much we accept this in ourselves, and how much we harmfully repress.


A friend I met in my classes this year is 25 and just came out as bi to his parents this summer.

He's VERY masculine, and 99% of people wouldn't even begin to think he's gay about anything, except for the fact that he looks like he'd belong on the cover of Men's Fitness or something, from his frequent exercise and great diet etc.

But did he go for guys? Nope, at least not yet. He came out several months ago, was single (but not looking) for a bit, and he recently started a relationship with a pretty cool girl in my class.

It's happening, slowly but surely.
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The relationship between a MAN and WOMAN goes far beyond sex, it is a clash of 2 absoloutley different hard wired creatures that come together in a total unique way...

That is non-existent in Homosexuality which means homosexuality is all about sexual attraction....

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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
Also lol, let's not get confused, being a pedophile is a very different thing from being a gay person.

I'm not a pedophile though, and I never really understood why heterosexual men associate homosexuality with pedophilia, It's just funny to me because I hear straight men talking about having sex with underage women all the time, where the gay people I know never talk about it at all, and from what I can tell never think of it.

So to me I think pedophilia is more closely associated with heterosexual people than homosexual people, because I don't know any gay people who aspire to date children.

But I do know a whole lot of straight people who would have sex with an underage girl if they knew they could do it without getting caught, and you're most likely one of them because I'm sure at some point you've said "I can't wait for so-and-so to turn 18", and that makes you a pedophile pretty much.
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I'm sure some of them think about it. When I was in my teens (like 14-16), I did think of 12-13 year olds more than those my age, but that was something I grew out of quickly.

My boyfriend never did anything with anyone, and never even touched himself, and he was attracted to those several years younger than himself. After cognitive therapy and, well, actually getting himself to masturbate, that totally changed. Oh my gosh, he's not a pedophile, he's gay.


That supports my idea that pedophilia is essentially stunted sexuality, while homosexuality is more alternative sexuality (probably based on combination fo
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Sorry but as an adult I'm not disgusted by heterosexual sex, women are beautiful and although I don't feel a sexual or sensual spark, I am not disgusted by the form or any of its motions.

So I don't really understand why heterosexual people are disgusted by two men kissing, maybe grow up because we (gay men ) see things we aren't interested in kissing all the time, and the feeling is strange and excluding to us at first, ( being gay is our normal ) but after you grow up at the age of around 15 or so you realize it's no big deal.

But gay people aren't as visible until recently, so most heterosexual men don't really get to process the feeling that takes them away from what they consider normal sexually, so you get a lot of childish reactions from adults.

Let's not blur the lines of sexuality and prejudice, please.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2295286


I'm gay and I find some women very aesthetically beautiful. At the same time, I don't want to have sex with any woman I've met, and only very very very very few that I've seen (and only if I tried damn hard to think about liking it).

My boyfriend probably wouldn't admit it, but he probably finds certain Arab (he's Lebanese) women beautiful enough to at least kiss. At minimum, he finds them very good looking. At the same time, 'twinks' have turned him on 10fold since he was a teen. (I'm not exactly twinky especially since I've started working out, but I'm a thin white guy with youthful look, so I count enough)

And yet, I know gay guys who are absolutely repulsed by the thought of a vagina.

It's all over the place. What matters is how much we accept this in ourselves, and how much we harmfully repress.


A friend I met in my classes this year is 25 and just came out as bi to his parents this summer.

He's VERY masculine, and 99% of people wouldn't even begin to think he's gay about anything, except for the fact that he looks like he'd belong on the cover of Men's Fitness or something, from his frequent exercise and great diet etc.

But did he go for guys? Nope, at least not yet. He came out several months ago, was single (but not looking) for a bit, and he recently started a relationship with a pretty cool girl in my class.

It's happening, slowly but surely.
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The relationship between a MAN and WOMAN goes far beyond sex, it is a clash of 2 absoloutley different hard wired creatures that come together in a total unique way...

That is non-existent in Homosexuality which means homosexuality is all about sexual attraction....

 Quoting: christian


Ha, if it was just sexual attraction between us, we'd have broken up long ago.

Not to say it isn't there, but I'm 22 and he's 25, and we're lucky to have sex once a week. He's also a 7/10 if I had to rate his attractiveness, but his personality and intelligence brings it to a nice 8-9/10. I'm just plain happy with him, and love what he brings to my world.
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Whoops, my post cut off:

"That supports my idea that pedophilia is essentially stunted sexuality, while homosexuality is more alternative sexuality (probably based on combination of genetics/hormones, environmental encouragement/acceptance, and conscious and subconscious choice)."
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The relationship between any two people has the potential to go far beyond sex, but don't think you have a monopoly on that by virtue of being a straight person.

Really, if heterosexual relationships were as profound from the get-go and 'naturally right' like you're saying here, there wouldn't be women who walk around with black eyes and cigarette burns on them and the rate of divorce wouldn't be so high.

It's unfortunate but I think we have to go back to reality now, where they should not poll divorce but how many people in their marriage have stayed happy, because that's the only thing that's really important.

I feel bad for you, because you go through life like a scavenge hunt. Wife, check. Car, check. College education, check. Kids, check. Dog, check. Fishing buddies, check. Church on sunday, check..

Just don't try to tell me what you live is profound because you feel it's your birthright.
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Divine intervention.


Couldn't resist.
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I'm impressed by your "objectivity"!
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I`m being honest.I believe that if everyone would just say what`s on there minds rather than doing themselves a disservice and keeping there true feelings bottled up, things would be tremendously easier in life.
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Nothing in the thread says I'm bitching about the increasing tolerance of gays. I'm only question how sincere straight men are that's all. And I don't think they're sincere at all precisely because deep down they find it "fucking repulsive". I'd rather everyone just be honest about this stuff, and stop being so politically correct (ESPECIALLY GAY MEN). Thanks for the honest reply.
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They are not "repulsed" by it. They want to be fisted in the ass, stupid bitch!
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Maybe in Brazil the men like to be fisted,but i assure you that`s not the case in N. AMERICA.
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Sorry but as an adult I'm not disgusted by heterosexual sex, women are beautiful and although I don't feel a sexual or sensual spark, I am not disgusted by the form or any of its motions.

So I don't really understand why heterosexual people are disgusted by two men kissing, maybe grow up because we (gay men ) see things we aren't interested in kissing all the time, and the feeling is strange and excluding to us at first, ( being gay is our normal ) but after you grow up at the age of around 15 or so you realize it's no big deal.

But gay people aren't as visible until recently, so most heterosexual men don't really get to process the feeling that takes them away from what they consider normal sexually, so you get a lot of childish reactions from adults.

Let's not blur the lines of sexuality and prejudice, please.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2295286


I'm gay and I find some women very aesthetically beautiful. At the same time, I don't want to have sex with any woman I've met, and only very very very very few that I've seen (and only if I tried damn hard to think about liking it).

My boyfriend probably wouldn't admit it, but he probably finds certain Arab (he's Lebanese) women beautiful enough to at least kiss. At minimum, he finds them very good looking. At the same time, 'twinks' have turned him on 10fold since he was a teen. (I'm not exactly twinky especially since I've started working out, but I'm a thin white guy with youthful look, so I count enough)

And yet, I know gay guys who are absolutely repulsed by the thought of a vagina.

It's all over the place. What matters is how much we accept this in ourselves, and how much we harmfully repress.


A friend I met in my classes this year is 25 and just came out as bi to his parents this summer.

He's VERY masculine, and 99% of people wouldn't even begin to think he's gay about anything, except for the fact that he looks like he'd belong on the cover of Men's Fitness or something, from his frequent exercise and great diet etc.

But did he go for guys? Nope, at least not yet. He came out several months ago, was single (but not looking) for a bit, and he recently started a relationship with a pretty cool girl in my class.

It's happening, slowly but surely.
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The relationship between a MAN and WOMAN goes far beyond sex, it is a clash of 2 absoloutley different hard wired creatures that come together in a total unique way...

That is non-existent in Homosexuality which means homosexuality is all about sexual attraction....

 Quoting: christian


Ha, if it was just sexual attraction between us, we'd have broken up long ago.

Not to say it isn't there, but I'm 22 and he's 25, and we're lucky to have sex once a week. He's also a 7/10 if I had to rate his attractiveness, but his personality and intelligence brings it to a nice 8-9/10. I'm just plain happy with him, and love what he brings to my world.
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You 2 are the Same Gender, you are both hard wired as males there is nothing Unique in your relationship, it is the same in every way in a relationship you would have with other males, other than you are engaging in sexual activity with that person and feel a sexual love twoards him nothing unique about 2 Males together...

Something very unique about a Male and a Female that come together which ultimatly has populated the earth.
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The relationship between any two people has the potential to go far beyond sex, but don't think you have a monopoly on that by virtue of being a straight person.

Really, if heterosexual relationships were as profound from the get-go and 'naturally right' like you're saying here, there wouldn't be women who walk around with black eyes and cigarette burns on them and the rate of divorce wouldn't be so high.

It's unfortunate but I think we have to go back to reality now, where they should not poll divorce but how many people in their marriage have stayed happy, because that's the only thing that's really important.

I feel bad for you, because you go through life like a scavenge hunt. Wife, check. Car, check. College education, check. Kids, check. Dog, check. Fishing buddies, check. Church on sunday, check..

Just don't try to tell me what you live is profound because you feel it's your birthright.
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No..You have missed the point entirely....

I have more in common with my gal friends than with my husband because theya re the SAME GENDER as I am, so our brains are hard wired to think about things my husband never thinks of..

However my husband shows me a side to life that is totally different than what I think as a woman, and I as a woman show him a side of life that is totally different than how he thinks as a male...

We are 2 distinct different genders that think totally opposite from a Male brain to a female brain, however those differences is what binds us as Man and Wife and Compliments us as a Unique Couple bound to a commitment to a married life of every twist and turn possible, yet with a promise that my life is what completes his life and vice versa.


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No..You have missed the point entirely....

I have more in common with my gal friends than with my husband because theya re the SAME GENDER as I am, so our brains are hard wired to think about things my husband never thinks of..

However my husband shows me a side to life that is totally different than what I think as a woman, and I as a woman show him a side of life that is totally different than how he thinks as a male...

We are 2 distinct different genders that think totally opposite from a Male brain to a female brain, however those differences is what binds us as Man and Wife and Compliments us as a Unique Couple bound to a commitment to a married life of every twist and turn possible, yet with a promise that my life is what completes his life and vice versa.

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What's with the odd and incorrect capitalization...
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A friend I met in my classes this year is 25 and just came out as bi to his parents this summer.

He's VERY masculine, and 99% of people wouldn't even begin to think he's gay about anything, except for the fact that he looks like he'd belong on the cover of Men's Fitness or something, from his frequent exercise and great diet etc.

But did he go for guys? Nope, at least not yet. He came out several months ago, was single (but not looking) for a bit, and he recently started a relationship with a pretty cool girl in my class.
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You don't make sense. If the guy is bi, then he isn't gay. And he definitely isn't gay if he's starting up an affair with a girl.

If you can't even define things correctly, and describe people's behavior in a wrong way, then you deserve to be treated with suspicion.
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No..You have missed the point entirely....

I have more in common with my gal friends than with my husband because theya re the SAME GENDER as I am, so our brains are hard wired to think about things my husband never thinks of..

However my husband shows me a side to life that is totally different than what I think as a woman, and I as a woman show him a side of life that is totally different than how he thinks as a male...

We are 2 distinct different genders that think totally opposite from a Male brain to a female brain, however those differences is what binds us as Man and Wife and Compliments us as a Unique Couple bound to a commitment to a married life of every twist and turn possible, yet with a promise that my life is what completes his life and vice versa.

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What's with the odd and incorrect capitalization...
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My expression in a Typed format, how I would speak to you, if you were in front of me.
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No..You have missed the point entirely....

I have more in common with my gal friends than with my husband because theya re the SAME GENDER as I am, so our brains are hard wired to think about things my husband never thinks of..

However my husband shows me a side to life that is totally different than what I think as a woman, and I as a woman show him a side of life that is totally different than how he thinks as a male...

We are 2 distinct different genders that think totally opposite from a Male brain to a female brain, however those differences is what binds us as Man and Wife and Compliments us as a Unique Couple bound to a commitment to a married life of every twist and turn possible, yet with a promise that my life is what completes his life and vice versa.

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What's with the odd and incorrect capitalization...
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My expression in a Typed format, how I would speak to you, if you were in front of me.
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If you spoke to me like that in front of me, I'd ram my cock down your throat.
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OK. So I'm 40 years old, and I came out when I was 16, which means I came out when being openly gay was socially marginalizing, if not downright dangerous to your physical person. This threat came almost exclusively from straight men, and it was the social norm. Since then, this new attitude towards homosexuals has arisen in many quarters, and I must say it has made life easier for me in many key respects. However, in spite of this, I can't say I entirely buy this overnight epiphany that straight men have allegedly had regarding gays, especially gay MEN.

Homosexuals have been treated like social lepers, if not as downright evil incarnate for the past 2000 years. Don't you think it's odd that straight men SUDDENLY got over it? I'm personally pretty skeptical, and don't think this is a change in behavior due to moral conviction, but rather to the fact that it's been made fashionable by the mass media to be cool to gays. Also, straight women have never cared the way straight men do, and since they have so much clout today I think straight men have just caved in to being cool, so their girlfriends don't get mad at them.

Am I the only gay guy that thinks this? It feels phony to me. I just don't believe them.
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I am extremely alpha male. Never have had a gay thought in my life. Have had some gay friends. My father and sister were and are gay. I believe my mother was by-sexual. I'm the only true straight in my family. I don't care if people are gay. In fact, I believe it gives a little balance. I'm also part Cherokee. Indians don't isolate "gays."
Cherokee people believed in another gender which can be translated as "two-spirit" or a person who fulfilled both male and female paths.
They were more of a link between all members and typically served as spiritual leaders within the community.
So you are welcome to shake shells and weave all you like Two-Spirit brother. Doesn't bother me.
Wado, & happy trails.
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I'm gay and I find some women very aesthetically beautiful. At the same time, I don't want to have sex with any woman I've met, and only very very very very few that I've seen (and only if I tried damn hard to think about liking it).

My boyfriend probably wouldn't admit it, but he probably finds certain Arab (he's Lebanese) women beautiful enough to at least kiss. At minimum, he finds them very good looking. At the same time, 'twinks' have turned him on 10fold since he was a teen. (I'm not exactly twinky especially since I've started working out, but I'm a thin white guy with youthful look, so I count enough)

And yet, I know gay guys who are absolutely repulsed by the thought of a vagina.

It's all over the place. What matters is how much we accept this in ourselves, and how much we harmfully repress.


A friend I met in my classes this year is 25 and just came out as bi to his parents this summer.

He's VERY masculine, and 99% of people wouldn't even begin to think he's gay about anything, except for the fact that he looks like he'd belong on the cover of Men's Fitness or something, from his frequent exercise and great diet etc.

But did he go for guys? Nope, at least not yet. He came out several months ago, was single (but not looking) for a bit, and he recently started a relationship with a pretty cool girl in my class.

It's happening, slowly but surely.
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The relationship between a MAN and WOMAN goes far beyond sex, it is a clash of 2 absoloutley different hard wired creatures that come together in a total unique way...

That is non-existent in Homosexuality which means homosexuality is all about sexual attraction....

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Ha, if it was just sexual attraction between us, we'd have broken up long ago.

Not to say it isn't there, but I'm 22 and he's 25, and we're lucky to have sex once a week. He's also a 7/10 if I had to rate his attractiveness, but his personality and intelligence brings it to a nice 8-9/10. I'm just plain happy with him, and love what he brings to my world.
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You 2 are the Same Gender, you are both hard wired as males there is nothing Unique in your relationship, it is the same in every way in a relationship you would have with other males, other than you are engaging in sexual activity with that person and feel a sexual love twoards him nothing unique about 2 Males together...

Something very unique about a Male and a Female that come together which ultimatly has populated the earth.
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WTF is unique about it? Bigendered species are everywhere.

You mean typical? Yes, it is typical, and that's great.
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
OK. So I'm 40 years old, and I came out when I was 16, which means I came out when being openly gay was socially marginalizing, if not downright dangerous to your physical person. This threat came almost exclusively from straight men, and it was the social norm. Since then, this new attitude towards homosexuals has arisen in many quarters, and I must say it has made life easier for me in many key respects. However, in spite of this, I can't say I entirely buy this overnight epiphany that straight men have allegedly had regarding gays, especially gay MEN.

Homosexuals have been treated like social lepers, if not as downright evil incarnate for the past 2000 years. Don't you think it's odd that straight men SUDDENLY got over it? I'm personally pretty skeptical, and don't think this is a change in behavior due to moral conviction, but rather to the fact that it's been made fashionable by the mass media to be cool to gays. Also, straight women have never cared the way straight men do, and since they have so much clout today I think straight men have just caved in to being cool, so their girlfriends don't get mad at them.

Am I the only gay guy that thinks this? It feels phony to me. I just don't believe them.
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You're correct.....congratulations.

You see we have to be politically correct, because we have been conditioned to conform to society, but look deeply in my eyes when I smile at you and you will see your death in my eyes.

Not long before society breaks down. Then the killer behind the eyes will break the glass.
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
Gay guys don't bother me at all, as long as they aren't trying to suck my dick or get butt sex the more power to them!

Bit crude, but totally honest.
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Honestly, if you're at least mostly straight, then that's a good approach to take.

As long as you're not punching out the guy that remotely hits on you.
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Be flattered, in my experience gay men are more discerning than a lot of women when it comes to potential partners. If lots of gay guys are hitting on you, you have something going on.

btw - straight male, married, many gay friends, been to plenty of gay bars and hangouts (best music, best d**gs and party atmosphere, not sleazy like you might assume) and really have never cared what you do with your own body parts, just don't feel the need to tell everyone the details - we have our own sex lives :)
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
Sorry but as an adult I'm not disgusted by heterosexual sex, women are beautiful and although I don't feel a sexual or sensual spark, I am not disgusted by the form or any of its motions.

So I don't really understand why heterosexual people are disgusted by two men kissing, maybe grow up because we (gay men ) see things we aren't interested in kissing all the time, and the feeling is strange and excluding to us at first, ( being gay is our normal ) but after you grow up at the age of around 15 or so you realize it's no big deal.

But gay people aren't as visible until recently, so most heterosexual men don't really get to process the feeling that takes them away from what they consider normal sexually, so you get a lot of childish reactions from adults.

Let's not blur the lines of sexuality and prejudice, please.
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I'm gay and I find some women very aesthetically beautiful. At the same time, I don't want to have sex with any woman I've met, and only very very very very few that I've seen (and only if I tried damn hard to think about liking it).

My boyfriend probably wouldn't admit it, but he probably finds certain Arab (he's Lebanese) women beautiful enough to at least kiss. At minimum, he finds them very good looking. At the same time, 'twinks' have turned him on 10fold since he was a teen. (I'm not exactly twinky especially since I've started working out, but I'm a thin white guy with youthful look, so I count enough)

And yet, I know gay guys who are absolutely repulsed by the thought of a vagina.

It's all over the place. What matters is how much we accept this in ourselves, and how much we harmfully repress.


A friend I met in my classes this year is 25 and just came out as bi to his parents this summer.

He's VERY masculine, and 99% of people wouldn't even begin to think he's gay about anything, except for the fact that he looks like he'd belong on the cover of Men's Fitness or something, from his frequent exercise and great diet etc.

But did he go for guys? Nope, at least not yet. He came out several months ago, was single (but not looking) for a bit, and he recently started a relationship with a pretty cool girl in my class.

It's happening, slowly but surely.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18958614


Yes it is happening slowly but surely?

What is happening, you may ask.

A: The moral decay and social breakdown of society as foretold by the Bible.

As in the days of Sodom it will be during the end times.
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A friend I met in my classes this year is 25 and just came out as bi to his parents this summer.

He's VERY masculine, and 99% of people wouldn't even begin to think he's gay about anything, except for the fact that he looks like he'd belong on the cover of Men's Fitness or something, from his frequent exercise and great diet etc.

But did he go for guys? Nope, at least not yet. He came out several months ago, was single (but not looking) for a bit, and he recently started a relationship with a pretty cool girl in my class.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18958614


You don't make sense. If the guy is bi, then he isn't gay. And he definitely isn't gay if he's starting up an affair with a girl.

If you can't even define things correctly, and describe people's behavior in a wrong way, then you deserve to be treated with suspicion.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1093381


Oh come on, I knew exactly what I was talking about.

1)He says he's bi, and he's had experiences with a guy, and enjoyed it.
My use of 'gay' was just 'stereotypically gay', and I don't mean the 'effeminate stuff', but rather the more subtle stuff that 'gaydar' tends to pick up.
I'm NOT calling him gay. My post was essentially saying:

"He doesn't seem like he liked guys at all, but he in fact does. However, he also likes women at least enough to start a relationship with one."


2)Deserve to be treated with suspicion? Well you're just a bundle of joy.
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OK. So I'm 40 years old, and I came out when I was 16, which means I came out when being openly gay was socially marginalizing, if not downright dangerous to your physical person. This threat came almost exclusively from straight men, and it was the social norm. Since then, this new attitude towards homosexuals has arisen in many quarters, and I must say it has made life easier for me in many key respects. However, in spite of this, I can't say I entirely buy this overnight epiphany that straight men have allegedly had regarding gays, especially gay MEN.

Homosexuals have been treated like social lepers, if not as downright evil incarnate for the past 2000 years. Don't you think it's odd that straight men SUDDENLY got over it? I'm personally pretty skeptical, and don't think this is a change in behavior due to moral conviction, but rather to the fact that it's been made fashionable by the mass media to be cool to gays. Also, straight women have never cared the way straight men do, and since they have so much clout today I think straight men have just caved in to being cool, so their girlfriends don't get mad at them.

Am I the only gay guy that thinks this? It feels phony to me. I just don't believe them.
 Quoting: riffraffrocks


You're correct.....congratulations.

You see we have to be politically correct, because we have been conditioned to conform to society, but look deeply in my eyes when I smile at you and you will see your death in my eyes.

Not long before society breaks down. Then the killer behind the eyes will break the glass.
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The fact that you're seemingly a latent murderer is much more concerning.hiding
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
Gay guys don't bother me at all, as long as they aren't trying to suck my dick or get butt sex the more power to them!

Bit crude, but totally honest.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19755366


Honestly, if you're at least mostly straight, then that's a good approach to take.

As long as you're not punching out the guy that remotely hits on you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18958614


Be flattered, in my experience gay men are more discerning than a lot of women when it comes to potential partners. If lots of gay guys are hitting on you, you have something going on.

btw - straight male, married, many gay friends, been to plenty of gay bars and hangouts (best music, best d**gs and party atmosphere, not sleazy like you might assume) and really have never cared what you do with your own body parts, just don't feel the need to tell everyone the details - we have our own sex lives :)
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Huge generalization about gay guys, but a noticeable one.

The rest (the angry homophobes, hehe) just seethe in anger. Whatever then, the world continues without them.
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
OK. So I'm 40 years old, and I came out when I was 16, which means I came out when being openly gay was socially marginalizing, if not downright dangerous to your physical person. This threat came almost exclusively from straight men, and it was the social norm. Since then, this new attitude towards homosexuals has arisen in many quarters, and I must say it has made life easier for me in many key respects. However, in spite of this, I can't say I entirely buy this overnight epiphany that straight men have allegedly had regarding gays, especially gay MEN.

Homosexuals have been treated like social lepers, if not as downright evil incarnate for the past 2000 years. Don't you think it's odd that straight men SUDDENLY got over it? I'm personally pretty skeptical, and don't think this is a change in behavior due to moral conviction, but rather to the fact that it's been made fashionable by the mass media to be cool to gays. Also, straight women have never cared the way straight men do, and since they have so much clout today I think straight men have just caved in to being cool, so their girlfriends don't get mad at them.

Am I the only gay guy that thinks this? It feels phony to me. I just don't believe them.
 Quoting: riffraffrocks

So you don't believe them - so what?

Do you respect straight men? Should you? If you do, how do straight men know you mean it? What if straight men don't believe you mean it - should you be tested? How sincere are you? Who should decide?

You know what I think? I think you're a rapist. Not because you're gay. But because you want to delve into people's souls - and judge them. You don't want tolerance, and you don't even want acceptance. You have dreams of total emotional love for every aspect of your being, and the social destruction of those who don't give you exactly what you want. AND you want to be the one with the power to judge the sincerity of other peoples acceptance of you.

You are sick - literally psychologocally ill - to want such a thing. Your desire IS illness. It has NOTHING to do with homosexuality. Homosexuality is merely the cover you are using for a totalitarian obsession so intense, you would actually try to grasp another's very soul, and judge it's sincerity in praising your wonderfulness. This is Caligula shit.

Get help.
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OK. So I'm 40 years old, and I came out when I was 16, which means I came out when being openly gay was socially marginalizing, if not downright dangerous to your physical person. This threat came almost exclusively from straight men, and it was the social norm. Since then, this new attitude towards homosexuals has arisen in many quarters, and I must say it has made life easier for me in many key respects. However, in spite of this, I can't say I entirely buy this overnight epiphany that straight men have allegedly had regarding gays, especially gay MEN.

Homosexuals have been treated like social lepers, if not as downright evil incarnate for the past 2000 years. Don't you think it's odd that straight men SUDDENLY got over it? I'm personally pretty skeptical, and don't think this is a change in behavior due to moral conviction, but rather to the fact that it's been made fashionable by the mass media to be cool to gays. Also, straight women have never cared the way straight men do, and since they have so much clout today I think straight men have just caved in to being cool, so their girlfriends don't get mad at them.

Am I the only gay guy that thinks this? It feels phony to me. I just don't believe them.
 Quoting: riffraffrocks

So you don't believe them - so what?

Do you respect straight men? Should you? If you do, how do straight men know you mean it? What if straight men don't believe you mean it - should you be tested? How sincere are you? Who should decide?

You know what I think? I think you're a rapist. Not because you're gay. But because you want to delve into people's souls - and judge them. You don't want tolerance, and you don't even want acceptance. You have dreams of total emotional love for every aspect of your being, and the social destruction of those who don't give you exactly what you want. AND you want to be the one with the power to judge the sincerity of other peoples acceptance of you.

You are sick - literally psychologocally ill - to want such a thing. Your desire IS illness. It has NOTHING to do with homosexuality. Homosexuality is merely the cover you are using for a totalitarian obsession so intense, you would actually try to grasp another's very soul, and judge it's sincerity in praising your wonderfulness. This is Caligula shit.

Get help.
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Sheesh, calm down.

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