Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?

Just for the sake of argument, lets' say that I really do believe that homosexuality is normal, and that it is wrong. How does being wrong about one thing therefore make a person wrong about all things?

Why must gay men run around with their hands in the air proclaiming to be gay?

We get it!

Go and be gay... you don't need our approval

It's a generational thing I think...

Also, it's "cool". People love to show off how tolerant they are.

One of my non-muslim college professors was talking about how beautiful a religion Islam is, how many Qu'rans she owns and bragging about how she hasn't spoken to her sister to this day because she said something "racist" about muslims a few days after 09/11/2001. She was quite proud.

Or the white girl I heard proudly proclaiming how she never voted before but she was going to this time because it was so important to keep a black man in power.

Those are more extreme examples, but I think the sudden acceptance has something to do with that phenomenon. Popular culture today has this ideal where worshiping anything they view as a "minority" or as "oppressed" is some sort of holy rite.

As far as my personal beliefs, seeing two guys kissing or getting it on makes me want to puke, but I feel no animosity toward someone because of their sexual orientation and would never express any ill-will toward a homosexual for just being gay. I believe homosexuality is a biological thing in the vast majority of cases, and in cases where it's a choice, it's none of my damn businesses and I've no right to judge.

I'm not asking that. I'm asking whether this recent transition in the attitude of straight men towards gay men is authentic or a put on. You may despise blacks, but not act on that. Does that comfort the black man? My concern is gay men are simply taking straight men to literally, and not seeing that they are tolerating us, but not accepting homosexual expression as a legitimate form of love. I do think I'm onto something here.

Because you believe being gay is a normal thing. It's not. So i know if you belive that, wth else do you believe?

Is Christianity the norm for an atheist?

OK. So I'm 40 years old, and I came out when I was 16, which means I came out when being openly gay was socially marginalizing, if not downright dangerous to your physical person. This threat came almost exclusively from straight men, and it was the social norm. Since then, this new attitude towards homosexuals has arisen in many quarters, and I must say it has made life easier for me in many key respects. However, in spite of this, I can't say I entirely buy this overnight epiphany that straight men have allegedly had regarding gays, especially gay MEN.

Homosexuals have been treated like social lepers, if not as downright evil incarnate for the past 2000 years. Don't you think it's odd that straight men SUDDENLY got over it? I'm personally pretty skeptical, and don't think this is a change in behavior due to moral conviction, but rather to the fact that it's been made fashionable by the mass media to be cool to gays. Also, straight women have never cared the way straight men do, and since they have so much clout today I think straight men have just caved in to being cool, so their girlfriends don't get mad at them.

Am I the only gay guy that thinks this? It feels phony to me. I just don't believe them.

Homosexuality has always been a mental disorder. It was only removed from the DSM due to protests by homosexuals - but that doesn't change that it is still a mental disorder.

People are naturally going to be adverse to mental illnesses, but if a culture promotes some mental illness then that aversion can be mitigated.

For example, cultures have considered schizophrenics to be shamans or "touched" by God. In India people will various deformities are thought to be touched by various deities.

Lucky for you, in the US, the culture-makers have tried to erase people's natural hatred towards your mental illness.

This sort of brain-washing takes time, but don't worry, it isn't fake.

That's not what this thread is about. I'm asking a specific question. I'm tired of straight men acting cool, when it grosses them out. Be honest! Don't play cool just so it makes your girlfriend happy.

Every behaviour is learned, it's taught. If you had never seen your mother kiss your father and you never had a grandmother who demanded a kiss on the cheek every time she came over to visit, you would grow up never knowing there was such a thing. If every time you got kissed by your grandmother she immediately proceeded to slap you across the face you would associate the act with hate and violence instead of love and tenderness.

Years ago when a fag walked by your father would say, "Look at that dirty queer," in a disgusted tone. On TV if they were portrayed at all, they were portrayed as vile degenerates, perverts, kidnappers, molesters.

Today your dad is mostly silent and on TV the queer is the brave hero of the story. You're right that nobody has seen the light, because that's not what it is. It's not about seeing the light. It's a matter of an induced change of perception. Society has been re-educated so to speak. Well, not all of us, most of us.

We're at a point in society where people are starting to come out of the haze of morality that has encumbered humanity in our recent history.

So I mean, by virtue of existing right now we make heterosexual people uncomfortable because "Am I gay" is a question nobody really wants to ask themselves even today because of societal reasons.

In my personal belief though I think hetero and gay men are completely inverted sexually and are unable to understand each-other, I think the best we could hope for in the future is perhaps understanding, until then It's best to keep it real simple with the straight people.

I think it's a generational thing. Media has had a role in it,

We're at a point in society where people are starting to come out of the haze of morality that has encumbered humanity in our recent history.

So I mean, by virtue of existing right now we make heterosexual people uncomfortable because "Am I gay" is a question nobody really wants to ask themselves even today because of societal reasons.

In my personal belief though I think hetero and gay men are completely inverted sexually and are unable to understand each-other, I think the best we could hope for in the future is perhaps understanding, until then It's best to keep it real simple with the straight people.

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"Haze of morality"? Don't ever come near my family. I have pigs and you will disappear, you commie rat fucking bastard.

I asked this question in another thread, but no one answered it.


Could you answer a question for me then? I have never understood so many people being gay. I know that there are people who are born with both male and female parts, so they have to choose which they wish to be. But this is not the typical gay people of today. The question I have is....If a guy considers himself gay, why would he go for another guy who walks, talks and act more of a female than I am....And if a female who is gay considers herself to be a lesbian goes for a female who walks, talks and act more of a man than most men I know. And these men I know are 100% straight. Oh, and by the way I am 100% straight too.

Because homosexuality is a self induced mental disorder.

LMAO anyone seriously thinks some "gay gene" wants to make you listen a Liza Minelli record and makes you want to wear lipstick? Fucking preposterous myth promulgated by MSM.

OK. So I'm 40 years old, and I came out when I was 16, which means I came out when being openly gay was socially marginalizing, if not downright dangerous to your physical person. This threat came almost exclusively from straight men, and it was the social norm. Since then, this new attitude towards homosexuals has arisen in many quarters, and I must say it has made life easier for me in many key respects. However, in spite of this, I can't say I entirely buy this overnight epiphany that straight men have allegedly had regarding gays, especially gay MEN.

Homosexuals have been treated like social lepers, if not as downright evil incarnate for the past 2000 years. Don't you think it's odd that straight men SUDDENLY got over it? I'm personally pretty skeptical, and don't think this is a change in behavior due to moral conviction, but rather to the fact that it's been made fashionable by the mass media to be cool to gays. Also, straight women have never cared the way straight men do, and since they have so much clout today I think straight men have just caved in to being cool, so their girlfriends don't get mad at them.

Am I the only gay guy that thinks this? It feels phony to me. I just don't believe them.

I asked this question in another thread, but no one answered it.


Could you answer a question for me then? I have never understood so many people being gay. I know that there are people who are born with both male and female parts, so they have to choose which they wish to be. But this is not the typical gay people of today. The question I have is....If a guy considers himself gay, why would he go for another guy who walks, talks and act more of a female than I am....And if a female who is gay considers herself to be a lesbian goes for a female who walks, talks and act more of a man than most men I know. And these men I know are 100% straight. Oh, and by the way I am 100% straight too.

Because homosexuality is a self induced mental disorder.

LMAO anyone seriously thinks some "gay gene" wants to make you listen a Liza Minelli record and makes you want to wear lipstick? Fucking preposterous myth promulgated by MSM.

What I don't get is why some of you people act flamboyant, shrill and effeminate while others are perfectly ordinary well-adjusted men.

The latter kind I've got nothing against, every man should be at liberty to put his pecker where he wants. The ones I can't stand are the in-your-face queers running around in nothing more than a pink-feathered bikini during the monthly parades they feel entitled to have.

A man should act like a man, have a sense of decency and humility and not put himself out there like the world has no greater interest than what he likes to fuck. Sexuality should be a private matter between two people, not necessarily a conversational topic and especially not a political issue.