Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?

I don't have a problem with homosexuals, but I do have a huge problem with the agenda. I am not alone. Most people that have a problem with homosexuality is because of the agenda.

The "agenda" is not teaching that homosexuals can be an asset to the community, they are demanding that schools present ONLY the homosexual viewpoint. No other viewpoint is allowed. The "agenda" is not teaching tolerance, it teaches hate. When my grand-daughter came home and told me that they were telling all of the school kids that heterosexuality was wrong and that only homosexuality was acceptable to GOD, I blew up. it is not just her school, but it is demanded to be force taught at ALL public schools, K-12. What the hell does a kindergarten child need to know about sexuality!

you are absolutely spot on op

Ummmm - ”…moral conviction”?

Dude – this is incredible! The very idea that a person would change their position and accept homosexuality based upon moral conviction? Especially in light of His Holy Word:

2Pe 3:3 knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires.

or

2Ti 3:1-4 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,

All I can do at this point is pray and plead with you to forsake your own way…repent and surrender to Jesus or you will know regret that is beyond comprehension!

I don't have a problem with straight people but I acknowledge that they are an incompatible existence.

We don't want to be an asset to your community, we don't want to live as guests in your world, I don't care to be viewed as an outsider, or as a token existence in your heterosexual sitcom.

For the gay community at large, It's not about acceptance and It's not about hate, It's about taking what we feel entitled to and not relying on your kind to give us the 'ok' to breath, to live our lives.

We are not your slaves, we are not a subservient group of people that should feel grateful because we are tolerated, so we're going to go ahead and change the rules of society and the role humans play in their interpersonal relations because we find no value in the society and world your people have created.

Frankly your god is dead, long live science.

aaaaannnnd...this is exactly what NAMBLA will say to you!

I seriously want a source on this, because it sounds completely preposterous.


Anyway, I'm a gay 22 year old male, in a relationship over 1.5 years now.

It's all sorts, just like with any progression of rights, tolerance, and (oh boy) even acceptance.

There's still going to be, 50 years from now, *some* people who absolutely HATE (outright hate) that a black and a white person are marrying.

But by this, and especially by that point of 50 years from now, they'll never admit it except when in very private conversations... or pure anonymity (HI GLP!!).

It's just becoming the same for sexuality, in particular male homosexuality (but over time, includes transsexualism, bisexuality, etc, more and more).

Anything we are, anything we do, is, imo, a combination of the following:

-genetics
-upbringing/environment
-pure choice

The first two work hand in hand, while your pure choice, is NOT limitless (forget the rhetoric that says otherwise), but it is still usually more broad than we tend to believe.

Homosexuality isn't a choice.
Being gay (as in, accepting homosexuality in yourself), is just remotely a choice.
Having sex with another man is a choice, reflective of things that are not a choice.
Having a relationship, especially long-term ones with another man, is a fully conscious choice, based on the above things.

And its the same with straight men's reaction to it:

Being heterosexual isn't a choice.
Knowing that gays exist isn't a choice.
Being repulsed by homosexual acts isn't a choice (duh, you're straight).
Accepting homosexuality as a fact of the human condition is a choice.
Tolerating homosexuals is a choice.
Accepting homosexuals (not just tolerating, or understanding they exist) is a choice.

We may be turned from one side to the other on things, based on genetic makeup and environmental influences (MANY of them), but choice does, and always will exist.

So we'll see seemingly 'cool with it' straight guys, who then pitch a fucking fit in their mind if they see two guys hold hands.

Whatever. It doesn't matter anymore. Things are moving forward, and I'm happy to see that in USA, within 50 years tops, it just won't be even remotely a big deal to most people.

One of my best friends in high school (I guess several years ago now) was a straight guy who wound up in the military. He always had girls/women to have sex with, but he preferred closer relationships, so he was usually with a girl for a couple years, even if his relationships eventually would end.

So he's masculine, in longer relationships with females, etc. But his best friend is gay? Mind you, I'm not effeminate (have barely an issue with guys who are, as long as you're not annoying *about* it), and I would have done barely anything to his chances with girls.

There's always going to be stand-up people like him in the world, just as there are guys with crappy attitudes (HI GLP!!).

We're still friends to this day, and he's planning to visit my boyfriend and I within a couple months.

See, the hugely defining difference between being gay and being a pedophile is that the pedophile is seeking sexual activity and 'relationships' with those not even cognizant of their own sexuality.

It's the same reason I'm against clearly teaching anything about sexuality until at least the age of 12-14, and then don't get into details until 14-16. This includes heterosexuality, homosexuality, transgendered issues, and so on.

A child cannot give informed consent. Same with bestiality - an animal cannot give sapient consent.

Beat off all you want about it, but don't fucking look at or touch a child or animal in that way, especially a child.

Most of the guys that I know hate queers.

Only kooky libtarded men are homo lovers.

While I appreciate your "hands off" stance when it comes to children...I (respectfully) think you missed the point regarding moral absolutes! For example, I repeat what God teaches us from His Holy Word...then you, by choice, reject His Standard to abide by your own standards! For example, in this instance you point out that NAMBLA is immoral! So…without moral absolutes, you don’t have a legitimate moral foundation to stand upon! You say homosexuality is “normal” but NAMBLA is anathema to morality…but then NAMBLA comes in and say’s, “man boy love is normal”…and on and on it goes!
Without moral absolutes, *anything* goes!
I don’t think God is going to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah!

Sorry but as an adult I'm not disgusted by heterosexual sex, women are beautiful and although I don't feel a sexual or sensual spark, I am not disgusted by the form or any of its motions.

So I don't really understand why heterosexual people are disgusted by two men kissing, maybe grow up because we (gay men ) see things we aren't interested in kissing all the time, and the feeling is strange and excluding to us at first, ( being gay is our normal ) but after you grow up at the age of around 15 or so you realize it's no big deal.

But gay people aren't as visible until recently, so most heterosexual men don't really get to process the feeling that takes them away from what they consider normal sexually, so you get a lot of childish reactions from adults.

Let's not blur the lines of sexuality and prejudice, please.

being gay is now a style...not just a life choice I guess

Gay guys don't bother me at all, as long as they aren't trying to suck my dick or get butt sex the more power to them!

Bit crude, but totally honest.

Also lol, let's not get confused, being a pedophile is a very different thing from being a gay person.

I'm not a pedophile though, and I never really understood why heterosexual men associate homosexuality with pedophilia, It's just funny to me because I hear straight men talking about having sex with underage women all the time, where the gay people I know never talk about it at all, and from what I can tell never think of it.

So to me I think pedophilia is more closely associated with heterosexual people than homosexual people, because I don't know any gay people who aspire to date children.

But I do know a whole lot of straight people who would have sex with an underage girl if they knew they could do it without getting caught, and you're most likely one of them because I'm sure at some point you've said "I can't wait for so-and-so to turn 18", and that makes you a pedophile pretty much.

This is a disingenuous diversion – its not about the “homosexuals are not pedo’s” argument – the point is about moral absolutes!

By rejecting moral absolutes you set yourself upon the slippery slope of moral relativism…where, anything goes!

Btw, please don’t assume that you wouldn’t appreciate my company with you over a cup of coffee at Starbucks, because such is the case for anyone that chooses to not hate me because they disagree with me!

Something is really wrong with any man that craves cock.

Which God? Which Holy Word? Which version? Which translation (sometimes written by otherwise illiterate monks)? Which book? Was it the one discarded by the early Church? Because there's several of those.

Please.

There are no moral absolutes *in reality*. Whatever you think, its formed by genetics, and environment, synthesizing into your possible choices. You're a Christian because:

1)You're disposed to faith (fun fact, many human minds are not)
2)You're been exposed to Christian teachings, community, and literature.
3)You decide to head towards your inclination, helped along by environment.

If you were born in the middle of a 99% Muslim area, you wouldn't be Christian, regardless of Word of God or anything else. Same with Buddhist, same with a cultist compound in the middle of nowhere.


Do we CREATE moral absolutes to form our ethics, however? Yes, we do. It's not necessarily bad to, either. Moral absolutism is at times and in ways, required for social and other forms of cohesion. "Killing is bad, m'kay" is a nice way to start.

However, we also see many people believing absolutely that Killing Is Bad, instead root for:
-Let's kill the Bad Guy
-Those People are Killers so Let's Kill Them in Defense
-You Don't Deserve To Life So I'll Let Others Kill You

Including many, many Christians.

See...now your talking...please give me a couple of minutes to answer this one...and please notice my Starbucks comment

I'm gay and I find some women very aesthetically beautiful. At the same time, I don't want to have sex with any woman I've met, and only very very very very few that I've seen (and only if I tried damn hard to think about liking it).

My boyfriend probably wouldn't admit it, but he probably finds certain Arab (he's Lebanese) women beautiful enough to at least kiss. At minimum, he finds them very good looking. At the same time, 'twinks' have turned him on 10fold since he was a teen. (I'm not exactly twinky especially since I've started working out, but I'm a thin white guy with youthful look, so I count enough)

And yet, I know gay guys who are absolutely repulsed by the thought of a vagina.

It's all over the place. What matters is how much we accept this in ourselves, and how much we harmfully repress.


A friend I met in my classes this year is 25 and just came out as bi to his parents this summer.

He's VERY masculine, and 99% of people wouldn't even begin to think he's gay about anything, except for the fact that he looks like he'd belong on the cover of Men's Fitness or something, from his frequent exercise and great diet etc.

But did he go for guys? Nope, at least not yet. He came out several months ago, was single (but not looking) for a bit, and he recently started a relationship with a pretty cool girl in my class.

It's happening, slowly but surely.

Honestly, if you're at least mostly straight, then that's a good approach to take.

As long as you're not punching out the guy that remotely hits on you.

I'm sure some of them think about it. When I was in my teens (like 14-16), I did think of 12-13 year olds more than those my age, but that was something I grew out of quickly.

My boyfriend never did anything with anyone, and never even touched himself, and he was attracted to those several years younger than himself. After cognitive therapy and, well, actually getting himself to masturbate, that totally changed. Oh my gosh, he's not a pedophile, he's gay.


That supports my idea that pedophilia is essentially stunted sexuality, while homosexuality is more alternative sexuality (probably based on combination fo

Ha, if it was just sexual attraction between us, we'd have broken up long ago.

Not to say it isn't there, but I'm 22 and he's 25, and we're lucky to have sex once a week. He's also a 7/10 if I had to rate his attractiveness, but his personality and intelligence brings it to a nice 8-9/10. I'm just plain happy with him, and love what he brings to my world.

Whoops, my post cut off:

"That supports my idea that pedophilia is essentially stunted sexuality, while homosexuality is more alternative sexuality (probably based on combination of genetics/hormones, environmental encouragement/acceptance, and conscious and subconscious choice)."

The relationship between any two people has the potential to go far beyond sex, but don't think you have a monopoly on that by virtue of being a straight person.

Really, if heterosexual relationships were as profound from the get-go and 'naturally right' like you're saying here, there wouldn't be women who walk around with black eyes and cigarette burns on them and the rate of divorce wouldn't be so high.

It's unfortunate but I think we have to go back to reality now, where they should not poll divorce but how many people in their marriage have stayed happy, because that's the only thing that's really important.

I feel bad for you, because you go through life like a scavenge hunt. Wife, check. Car, check. College education, check. Kids, check. Dog, check. Fishing buddies, check. Church on sunday, check..

Just don't try to tell me what you live is profound because you feel it's your birthright.

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Seems I cannot post my answer...don't know why

just tried again...won't take my post

Divine intervention.


Couldn't resist.

Maybe in Brazil the men like to be fisted,but i assure you that`s not the case in N. AMERICA.