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Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?

 
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
Sorry but as an adult I'm not disgusted by heterosexual sex, women are beautiful and although I don't feel a sexual or sensual spark, I am not disgusted by the form or any of its motions.

So I don't really understand why heterosexual people are disgusted by two men kissing, maybe grow up because we (gay men ) see things we aren't interested in kissing all the time, and the feeling is strange and excluding to us at first, ( being gay is our normal ) but after you grow up at the age of around 15 or so you realize it's no big deal.

But gay people aren't as visible until recently, so most heterosexual men don't really get to process the feeling that takes them away from what they consider normal sexually, so you get a lot of childish reactions from adults.

Let's not blur the lines of sexuality and prejudice, please.
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I'm gay and I find some women very aesthetically beautiful. At the same time, I don't want to have sex with any woman I've met, and only very very very very few that I've seen (and only if I tried damn hard to think about liking it).

My boyfriend probably wouldn't admit it, but he probably finds certain Arab (he's Lebanese) women beautiful enough to at least kiss. At minimum, he finds them very good looking. At the same time, 'twinks' have turned him on 10fold since he was a teen. (I'm not exactly twinky especially since I've started working out, but I'm a thin white guy with youthful look, so I count enough)

And yet, I know gay guys who are absolutely repulsed by the thought of a vagina.

It's all over the place. What matters is how much we accept this in ourselves, and how much we harmfully repress.


A friend I met in my classes this year is 25 and just came out as bi to his parents this summer.

He's VERY masculine, and 99% of people wouldn't even begin to think he's gay about anything, except for the fact that he looks like he'd belong on the cover of Men's Fitness or something, from his frequent exercise and great diet etc.

But did he go for guys? Nope, at least not yet. He came out several months ago, was single (but not looking) for a bit, and he recently started a relationship with a pretty cool girl in my class.

It's happening, slowly but surely.
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The relationship between a MAN and WOMAN goes far beyond sex, it is a clash of 2 absoloutley different hard wired creatures that come together in a total unique way...

That is non-existent in Homosexuality which means homosexuality is all about sexual attraction....

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Ha, if it was just sexual attraction between us, we'd have broken up long ago.

Not to say it isn't there, but I'm 22 and he's 25, and we're lucky to have sex once a week. He's also a 7/10 if I had to rate his attractiveness, but his personality and intelligence brings it to a nice 8-9/10. I'm just plain happy with him, and love what he brings to my world.
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You 2 are the Same Gender, you are both hard wired as males there is nothing Unique in your relationship, it is the same in every way in a relationship you would have with other males, other than you are engaging in sexual activity with that person and feel a sexual love twoards him nothing unique about 2 Males together...

Something very unique about a Male and a Female that come together which ultimatly has populated the earth.
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The relationship between any two people has the potential to go far beyond sex, but don't think you have a monopoly on that by virtue of being a straight person.

Really, if heterosexual relationships were as profound from the get-go and 'naturally right' like you're saying here, there wouldn't be women who walk around with black eyes and cigarette burns on them and the rate of divorce wouldn't be so high.

It's unfortunate but I think we have to go back to reality now, where they should not poll divorce but how many people in their marriage have stayed happy, because that's the only thing that's really important.

I feel bad for you, because you go through life like a scavenge hunt. Wife, check. Car, check. College education, check. Kids, check. Dog, check. Fishing buddies, check. Church on sunday, check..

Just don't try to tell me what you live is profound because you feel it's your birthright.
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No..You have missed the point entirely....

I have more in common with my gal friends than with my husband because theya re the SAME GENDER as I am, so our brains are hard wired to think about things my husband never thinks of..

However my husband shows me a side to life that is totally different than what I think as a woman, and I as a woman show him a side of life that is totally different than how he thinks as a male...

We are 2 distinct different genders that think totally opposite from a Male brain to a female brain, however those differences is what binds us as Man and Wife and Compliments us as a Unique Couple bound to a commitment to a married life of every twist and turn possible, yet with a promise that my life is what completes his life and vice versa.


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No..You have missed the point entirely....

I have more in common with my gal friends than with my husband because theya re the SAME GENDER as I am, so our brains are hard wired to think about things my husband never thinks of..

However my husband shows me a side to life that is totally different than what I think as a woman, and I as a woman show him a side of life that is totally different than how he thinks as a male...

We are 2 distinct different genders that think totally opposite from a Male brain to a female brain, however those differences is what binds us as Man and Wife and Compliments us as a Unique Couple bound to a commitment to a married life of every twist and turn possible, yet with a promise that my life is what completes his life and vice versa.

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What's with the odd and incorrect capitalization...
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A friend I met in my classes this year is 25 and just came out as bi to his parents this summer.

He's VERY masculine, and 99% of people wouldn't even begin to think he's gay about anything, except for the fact that he looks like he'd belong on the cover of Men's Fitness or something, from his frequent exercise and great diet etc.

But did he go for guys? Nope, at least not yet. He came out several months ago, was single (but not looking) for a bit, and he recently started a relationship with a pretty cool girl in my class.
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You don't make sense. If the guy is bi, then he isn't gay. And he definitely isn't gay if he's starting up an affair with a girl.

If you can't even define things correctly, and describe people's behavior in a wrong way, then you deserve to be treated with suspicion.
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No..You have missed the point entirely....

I have more in common with my gal friends than with my husband because theya re the SAME GENDER as I am, so our brains are hard wired to think about things my husband never thinks of..

However my husband shows me a side to life that is totally different than what I think as a woman, and I as a woman show him a side of life that is totally different than how he thinks as a male...

We are 2 distinct different genders that think totally opposite from a Male brain to a female brain, however those differences is what binds us as Man and Wife and Compliments us as a Unique Couple bound to a commitment to a married life of every twist and turn possible, yet with a promise that my life is what completes his life and vice versa.

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What's with the odd and incorrect capitalization...
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My expression in a Typed format, how I would speak to you, if you were in front of me.
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
No..You have missed the point entirely....

I have more in common with my gal friends than with my husband because theya re the SAME GENDER as I am, so our brains are hard wired to think about things my husband never thinks of..

However my husband shows me a side to life that is totally different than what I think as a woman, and I as a woman show him a side of life that is totally different than how he thinks as a male...

We are 2 distinct different genders that think totally opposite from a Male brain to a female brain, however those differences is what binds us as Man and Wife and Compliments us as a Unique Couple bound to a commitment to a married life of every twist and turn possible, yet with a promise that my life is what completes his life and vice versa.

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What's with the odd and incorrect capitalization...
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My expression in a Typed format, how I would speak to you, if you were in front of me.
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If you spoke to me like that in front of me, I'd ram my cock down your throat.
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
OK. So I'm 40 years old, and I came out when I was 16, which means I came out when being openly gay was socially marginalizing, if not downright dangerous to your physical person. This threat came almost exclusively from straight men, and it was the social norm. Since then, this new attitude towards homosexuals has arisen in many quarters, and I must say it has made life easier for me in many key respects. However, in spite of this, I can't say I entirely buy this overnight epiphany that straight men have allegedly had regarding gays, especially gay MEN.

Homosexuals have been treated like social lepers, if not as downright evil incarnate for the past 2000 years. Don't you think it's odd that straight men SUDDENLY got over it? I'm personally pretty skeptical, and don't think this is a change in behavior due to moral conviction, but rather to the fact that it's been made fashionable by the mass media to be cool to gays. Also, straight women have never cared the way straight men do, and since they have so much clout today I think straight men have just caved in to being cool, so their girlfriends don't get mad at them.

Am I the only gay guy that thinks this? It feels phony to me. I just don't believe them.
 Quoting: riffraffrocks


I am extremely alpha male. Never have had a gay thought in my life. Have had some gay friends. My father and sister were and are gay. I believe my mother was by-sexual. I'm the only true straight in my family. I don't care if people are gay. In fact, I believe it gives a little balance. I'm also part Cherokee. Indians don't isolate "gays."
Cherokee people believed in another gender which can be translated as "two-spirit" or a person who fulfilled both male and female paths.
They were more of a link between all members and typically served as spiritual leaders within the community.
So you are welcome to shake shells and weave all you like Two-Spirit brother. Doesn't bother me.
Wado, & happy trails.
Klaxon
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I'm gay and I find some women very aesthetically beautiful. At the same time, I don't want to have sex with any woman I've met, and only very very very very few that I've seen (and only if I tried damn hard to think about liking it).

My boyfriend probably wouldn't admit it, but he probably finds certain Arab (he's Lebanese) women beautiful enough to at least kiss. At minimum, he finds them very good looking. At the same time, 'twinks' have turned him on 10fold since he was a teen. (I'm not exactly twinky especially since I've started working out, but I'm a thin white guy with youthful look, so I count enough)

And yet, I know gay guys who are absolutely repulsed by the thought of a vagina.

It's all over the place. What matters is how much we accept this in ourselves, and how much we harmfully repress.


A friend I met in my classes this year is 25 and just came out as bi to his parents this summer.

He's VERY masculine, and 99% of people wouldn't even begin to think he's gay about anything, except for the fact that he looks like he'd belong on the cover of Men's Fitness or something, from his frequent exercise and great diet etc.

But did he go for guys? Nope, at least not yet. He came out several months ago, was single (but not looking) for a bit, and he recently started a relationship with a pretty cool girl in my class.

It's happening, slowly but surely.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18958614



The relationship between a MAN and WOMAN goes far beyond sex, it is a clash of 2 absoloutley different hard wired creatures that come together in a total unique way...

That is non-existent in Homosexuality which means homosexuality is all about sexual attraction....

 Quoting: christian


Ha, if it was just sexual attraction between us, we'd have broken up long ago.

Not to say it isn't there, but I'm 22 and he's 25, and we're lucky to have sex once a week. He's also a 7/10 if I had to rate his attractiveness, but his personality and intelligence brings it to a nice 8-9/10. I'm just plain happy with him, and love what he brings to my world.
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You 2 are the Same Gender, you are both hard wired as males there is nothing Unique in your relationship, it is the same in every way in a relationship you would have with other males, other than you are engaging in sexual activity with that person and feel a sexual love twoards him nothing unique about 2 Males together...

Something very unique about a Male and a Female that come together which ultimatly has populated the earth.
 Quoting: christian


WTF is unique about it? Bigendered species are everywhere.

You mean typical? Yes, it is typical, and that's great.
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
OK. So I'm 40 years old, and I came out when I was 16, which means I came out when being openly gay was socially marginalizing, if not downright dangerous to your physical person. This threat came almost exclusively from straight men, and it was the social norm. Since then, this new attitude towards homosexuals has arisen in many quarters, and I must say it has made life easier for me in many key respects. However, in spite of this, I can't say I entirely buy this overnight epiphany that straight men have allegedly had regarding gays, especially gay MEN.

Homosexuals have been treated like social lepers, if not as downright evil incarnate for the past 2000 years. Don't you think it's odd that straight men SUDDENLY got over it? I'm personally pretty skeptical, and don't think this is a change in behavior due to moral conviction, but rather to the fact that it's been made fashionable by the mass media to be cool to gays. Also, straight women have never cared the way straight men do, and since they have so much clout today I think straight men have just caved in to being cool, so their girlfriends don't get mad at them.

Am I the only gay guy that thinks this? It feels phony to me. I just don't believe them.
 Quoting: riffraffrocks


You're correct.....congratulations.

You see we have to be politically correct, because we have been conditioned to conform to society, but look deeply in my eyes when I smile at you and you will see your death in my eyes.

Not long before society breaks down. Then the killer behind the eyes will break the glass.
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Gay guys don't bother me at all, as long as they aren't trying to suck my dick or get butt sex the more power to them!

Bit crude, but totally honest.
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Honestly, if you're at least mostly straight, then that's a good approach to take.

As long as you're not punching out the guy that remotely hits on you.
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Be flattered, in my experience gay men are more discerning than a lot of women when it comes to potential partners. If lots of gay guys are hitting on you, you have something going on.

btw - straight male, married, many gay friends, been to plenty of gay bars and hangouts (best music, best d**gs and party atmosphere, not sleazy like you might assume) and really have never cared what you do with your own body parts, just don't feel the need to tell everyone the details - we have our own sex lives :)
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
Sorry but as an adult I'm not disgusted by heterosexual sex, women are beautiful and although I don't feel a sexual or sensual spark, I am not disgusted by the form or any of its motions.

So I don't really understand why heterosexual people are disgusted by two men kissing, maybe grow up because we (gay men ) see things we aren't interested in kissing all the time, and the feeling is strange and excluding to us at first, ( being gay is our normal ) but after you grow up at the age of around 15 or so you realize it's no big deal.

But gay people aren't as visible until recently, so most heterosexual men don't really get to process the feeling that takes them away from what they consider normal sexually, so you get a lot of childish reactions from adults.

Let's not blur the lines of sexuality and prejudice, please.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2295286


I'm gay and I find some women very aesthetically beautiful. At the same time, I don't want to have sex with any woman I've met, and only very very very very few that I've seen (and only if I tried damn hard to think about liking it).

My boyfriend probably wouldn't admit it, but he probably finds certain Arab (he's Lebanese) women beautiful enough to at least kiss. At minimum, he finds them very good looking. At the same time, 'twinks' have turned him on 10fold since he was a teen. (I'm not exactly twinky especially since I've started working out, but I'm a thin white guy with youthful look, so I count enough)

And yet, I know gay guys who are absolutely repulsed by the thought of a vagina.

It's all over the place. What matters is how much we accept this in ourselves, and how much we harmfully repress.


A friend I met in my classes this year is 25 and just came out as bi to his parents this summer.

He's VERY masculine, and 99% of people wouldn't even begin to think he's gay about anything, except for the fact that he looks like he'd belong on the cover of Men's Fitness or something, from his frequent exercise and great diet etc.

But did he go for guys? Nope, at least not yet. He came out several months ago, was single (but not looking) for a bit, and he recently started a relationship with a pretty cool girl in my class.

It's happening, slowly but surely.
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Yes it is happening slowly but surely?

What is happening, you may ask.

A: The moral decay and social breakdown of society as foretold by the Bible.

As in the days of Sodom it will be during the end times.
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A friend I met in my classes this year is 25 and just came out as bi to his parents this summer.

He's VERY masculine, and 99% of people wouldn't even begin to think he's gay about anything, except for the fact that he looks like he'd belong on the cover of Men's Fitness or something, from his frequent exercise and great diet etc.

But did he go for guys? Nope, at least not yet. He came out several months ago, was single (but not looking) for a bit, and he recently started a relationship with a pretty cool girl in my class.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18958614


You don't make sense. If the guy is bi, then he isn't gay. And he definitely isn't gay if he's starting up an affair with a girl.

If you can't even define things correctly, and describe people's behavior in a wrong way, then you deserve to be treated with suspicion.

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Oh come on, I knew exactly what I was talking about.

1)He says he's bi, and he's had experiences with a guy, and enjoyed it.
My use of 'gay' was just 'stereotypically gay', and I don't mean the 'effeminate stuff', but rather the more subtle stuff that 'gaydar' tends to pick up.
I'm NOT calling him gay. My post was essentially saying:

"He doesn't seem like he liked guys at all, but he in fact does. However, he also likes women at least enough to start a relationship with one."


2)Deserve to be treated with suspicion? Well you're just a bundle of joy.
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OK. So I'm 40 years old, and I came out when I was 16, which means I came out when being openly gay was socially marginalizing, if not downright dangerous to your physical person. This threat came almost exclusively from straight men, and it was the social norm. Since then, this new attitude towards homosexuals has arisen in many quarters, and I must say it has made life easier for me in many key respects. However, in spite of this, I can't say I entirely buy this overnight epiphany that straight men have allegedly had regarding gays, especially gay MEN.

Homosexuals have been treated like social lepers, if not as downright evil incarnate for the past 2000 years. Don't you think it's odd that straight men SUDDENLY got over it? I'm personally pretty skeptical, and don't think this is a change in behavior due to moral conviction, but rather to the fact that it's been made fashionable by the mass media to be cool to gays. Also, straight women have never cared the way straight men do, and since they have so much clout today I think straight men have just caved in to being cool, so their girlfriends don't get mad at them.

Am I the only gay guy that thinks this? It feels phony to me. I just don't believe them.
 Quoting: riffraffrocks


You're correct.....congratulations.

You see we have to be politically correct, because we have been conditioned to conform to society, but look deeply in my eyes when I smile at you and you will see your death in my eyes.

Not long before society breaks down. Then the killer behind the eyes will break the glass.
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The fact that you're seemingly a latent murderer is much more concerning.hiding
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Gay guys don't bother me at all, as long as they aren't trying to suck my dick or get butt sex the more power to them!

Bit crude, but totally honest.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19755366


Honestly, if you're at least mostly straight, then that's a good approach to take.

As long as you're not punching out the guy that remotely hits on you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18958614


Be flattered, in my experience gay men are more discerning than a lot of women when it comes to potential partners. If lots of gay guys are hitting on you, you have something going on.

btw - straight male, married, many gay friends, been to plenty of gay bars and hangouts (best music, best d**gs and party atmosphere, not sleazy like you might assume) and really have never cared what you do with your own body parts, just don't feel the need to tell everyone the details - we have our own sex lives :)
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Huge generalization about gay guys, but a noticeable one.

The rest (the angry homophobes, hehe) just seethe in anger. Whatever then, the world continues without them.
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OK. So I'm 40 years old, and I came out when I was 16, which means I came out when being openly gay was socially marginalizing, if not downright dangerous to your physical person. This threat came almost exclusively from straight men, and it was the social norm. Since then, this new attitude towards homosexuals has arisen in many quarters, and I must say it has made life easier for me in many key respects. However, in spite of this, I can't say I entirely buy this overnight epiphany that straight men have allegedly had regarding gays, especially gay MEN.

Homosexuals have been treated like social lepers, if not as downright evil incarnate for the past 2000 years. Don't you think it's odd that straight men SUDDENLY got over it? I'm personally pretty skeptical, and don't think this is a change in behavior due to moral conviction, but rather to the fact that it's been made fashionable by the mass media to be cool to gays. Also, straight women have never cared the way straight men do, and since they have so much clout today I think straight men have just caved in to being cool, so their girlfriends don't get mad at them.

Am I the only gay guy that thinks this? It feels phony to me. I just don't believe them.
 Quoting: riffraffrocks

So you don't believe them - so what?

Do you respect straight men? Should you? If you do, how do straight men know you mean it? What if straight men don't believe you mean it - should you be tested? How sincere are you? Who should decide?

You know what I think? I think you're a rapist. Not because you're gay. But because you want to delve into people's souls - and judge them. You don't want tolerance, and you don't even want acceptance. You have dreams of total emotional love for every aspect of your being, and the social destruction of those who don't give you exactly what you want. AND you want to be the one with the power to judge the sincerity of other peoples acceptance of you.

You are sick - literally psychologocally ill - to want such a thing. Your desire IS illness. It has NOTHING to do with homosexuality. Homosexuality is merely the cover you are using for a totalitarian obsession so intense, you would actually try to grasp another's very soul, and judge it's sincerity in praising your wonderfulness. This is Caligula shit.

Get help.
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OK. So I'm 40 years old, and I came out when I was 16, which means I came out when being openly gay was socially marginalizing, if not downright dangerous to your physical person. This threat came almost exclusively from straight men, and it was the social norm. Since then, this new attitude towards homosexuals has arisen in many quarters, and I must say it has made life easier for me in many key respects. However, in spite of this, I can't say I entirely buy this overnight epiphany that straight men have allegedly had regarding gays, especially gay MEN.

Homosexuals have been treated like social lepers, if not as downright evil incarnate for the past 2000 years. Don't you think it's odd that straight men SUDDENLY got over it? I'm personally pretty skeptical, and don't think this is a change in behavior due to moral conviction, but rather to the fact that it's been made fashionable by the mass media to be cool to gays. Also, straight women have never cared the way straight men do, and since they have so much clout today I think straight men have just caved in to being cool, so their girlfriends don't get mad at them.

Am I the only gay guy that thinks this? It feels phony to me. I just don't believe them.
 Quoting: riffraffrocks

So you don't believe them - so what?

Do you respect straight men? Should you? If you do, how do straight men know you mean it? What if straight men don't believe you mean it - should you be tested? How sincere are you? Who should decide?

You know what I think? I think you're a rapist. Not because you're gay. But because you want to delve into people's souls - and judge them. You don't want tolerance, and you don't even want acceptance. You have dreams of total emotional love for every aspect of your being, and the social destruction of those who don't give you exactly what you want. AND you want to be the one with the power to judge the sincerity of other peoples acceptance of you.

You are sick - literally psychologocally ill - to want such a thing. Your desire IS illness. It has NOTHING to do with homosexuality. Homosexuality is merely the cover you are using for a totalitarian obsession so intense, you would actually try to grasp another's very soul, and judge it's sincerity in praising your wonderfulness. This is Caligula shit.

Get help.
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Sheesh, calm down.
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I'd give this a 1 *


butt that would look like a sphincter
to you and you'd probably hit it !
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Does homosexuality go against the natural, religious, and scientific perspectives? Also understand not to inflate the importance of the scientific perspective, as it is derived from the observations of the natural perspective.
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
OK. So I'm 40 years old, and I came out when I was 16, which means I came out when being openly gay was socially marginalizing, if not downright dangerous to your physical person. This threat came almost exclusively from straight men, and it was the social norm. Since then, this new attitude towards homosexuals has arisen in many quarters, and I must say it has made life easier for me in many key respects. However, in spite of this, I can't say I entirely buy this overnight epiphany that straight men have allegedly had regarding gays, especially gay MEN.

Homosexuals have treated like social lepers, if not as downright evil incarnate for the past 2000 years. Don't you think it's odd that straight men SUDDENLY got over it? I'm personally pretty skeptical, and don't think this is a change in behavior due to moral conviction, but rather to the fact that it's been made fashionable by the mass media to be cool to gays. Also, straight women have never cared the way straight men do, and since they have so much clout today I think straight men have just caved in to being cool, so their girlfriends don't get mad at them.

Am I the only gay guy that thinks this? It feels phony to me. I just don't believe them.
 Quoting: riffraffrocks


You can't make everyone like you man. Some people will always be averse to homosexuality. As long as they aren't using violence against you I would just go on with life and not care about what other people are really thinking. Tolerance does not equal acceptance, nor should it.
 Quoting: OKCconspiradude


Tolerance doesn't equal acceptance. Fine! That's honest. It also means that gay men should stop acting like straight men are there buds, because that will never be the case. You can train a lion to tolerate a lamb in its cage, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a lion. Frankly, straight men have demonstrated themselves to be too cruel over the ages to be reformed. Gay men better remember that...
 Quoting: riffraffrocks


It sounds like you are threatened by your own projections.

Not every gay man is like you.

Your own personal relationships depend on how you act and what you do.

Some people are just more naturally liked than others.

All you are doing is spreading your own form of paranoia.
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
Answer this for yourself and you will see the light.
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
So would you rather I call you a fag OP?
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
It is fashionable for a woman to have a "gay friend".. and yes, it is the media.

The media and the "gay agenda" (which seems to be supported by crazy old straight men, not the so-called "homosexual" community).

If you can demasculinize men, teach them to take their aggression out on football teams or other socially engineered effigy.. you control them. They become docile.
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
OK. So I'm 40 years old, and I came out when I was 16, which means I came out when being openly gay was socially marginalizing, if not downright dangerous to your physical person. This threat came almost exclusively from straight men, and it was the social norm. Since then, this new attitude towards homosexuals has arisen in many quarters, and I must say it has made life easier for me in many key respects. However, in spite of this, I can't say I entirely buy this overnight epiphany that straight men have allegedly had regarding gays, especially gay MEN.

Homosexuals have been treated like social lepers, if not as downright evil incarnate for the past 2000 years. Don't you think it's odd that straight men SUDDENLY got over it? I'm personally pretty skeptical, and don't think this is a change in behavior due to moral conviction, but rather to the fact that it's been made fashionable by the mass media to be cool to gays. Also, straight women have never cared the way straight men do, and since they have so much clout today I think straight men have just caved in to being cool, so their girlfriends don't get mad at them.

Am I the only gay guy that thinks this? It feels phony to me. I just don't believe them.
 Quoting: riffraffrocks

So you don't believe them - so what?

Do you respect straight men? Should you? If you do, how do straight men know you mean it? What if straight men don't believe you mean it - should you be tested? How sincere are you? Who should decide?

You know what I think? I think you're a rapist. Not because you're gay. But because you want to delve into people's souls - and judge them. You don't want tolerance, and you don't even want acceptance. You have dreams of total emotional love for every aspect of your being, and the social destruction of those who don't give you exactly what you want. AND you want to be the one with the power to judge the sincerity of other peoples acceptance of you.

You are sick - literally psychologocally ill - to want such a thing. Your desire IS illness. It has NOTHING to do with homosexuality. Homosexuality is merely the cover you are using for a totalitarian obsession so intense, you would actually try to grasp another's very soul, and judge it's sincerity in praising your wonderfulness. This is Caligula shit.

Get help.
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Sheesh, calm down.
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Oh I assure you, I'm calm.

Fuck you.

Clear?
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
OK. So I'm 40 years old, and I came out when I was 16, which means I came out when being openly gay was socially marginalizing, if not downright dangerous to your physical person. This threat came almost exclusively from straight men, and it was the social norm. Since then, this new attitude towards homosexuals has arisen in many quarters, and I must say it has made life easier for me in many key respects. However, in spite of this, I can't say I entirely buy this overnight epiphany that straight men have allegedly had regarding gays, especially gay MEN.

Homosexuals have been treated like social lepers, if not as downright evil incarnate for the past 2000 years. Don't you think it's odd that straight men SUDDENLY got over it? I'm personally pretty skeptical, and don't think this is a change in behavior due to moral conviction, but rather to the fact that it's been made fashionable by the mass media to be cool to gays. Also, straight women have never cared the way straight men do, and since they have so much clout today I think straight men have just caved in to being cool, so their girlfriends don't get mad at them.

Am I the only gay guy that thinks this? It feels phony to me. I just don't believe them.
 Quoting: riffraffrocks

So you don't believe them - so what?

Do you respect straight men? Should you? If you do, how do straight men know you mean it? What if straight men don't believe you mean it - should you be tested? How sincere are you? Who should decide?

You know what I think? I think you're a rapist. Not because you're gay. But because you want to delve into people's souls - and judge them. You don't want tolerance, and you don't even want acceptance. You have dreams of total emotional love for every aspect of your being, and the social destruction of those who don't give you exactly what you want. AND you want to be the one with the power to judge the sincerity of other peoples acceptance of you.

You are sick - literally psychologocally ill - to want such a thing. Your desire IS illness. It has NOTHING to do with homosexuality. Homosexuality is merely the cover you are using for a totalitarian obsession so intense, you would actually try to grasp another's very soul, and judge it's sincerity in praising your wonderfulness. This is Caligula shit.

Get help.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1610534


Sheesh, calm down.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18958614

Oh I assure you, I'm calm.

Fuck you.

Clear?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1610534


Yeah you seem pretty angry, pissed off.
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
Every behaviour is learned, it's taught. If you had never seen your mother kiss your father and you never had a grandmother who demanded a kiss on the cheek every time she came over to visit, you would grow up never knowing there was such a thing. If every time you got kissed by your grandmother she immediately proceeded to slap you across the face you would associate the act with hate and violence instead of love and tenderness.

Years ago when a fag walked by your father would say, "Look at that dirty queer," in a disgusted tone. On TV if they were portrayed at all, they were portrayed as vile degenerates, perverts, kidnappers, molesters.

Today your dad is mostly silent and on TV the queer is the brave hero of the story. You're right that nobody has seen the light, because that's not what it is. It's not about seeing the light. It's a matter of an induced change of perception. Society has been re-educated so to speak. Well, not all of us, most of us.
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I never saw homosexuals as a child and yet I had those feelings within me and thought I was the only one.
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Unless a child has been molested he or she does not think about sex. A child is a brain that is forming, who are just that a child growing up learning as they go! If you say you like dolls, well I liked toy guns and toy cars, but I am heterosexual female.
Don't come off that you knew as a child, unless you were told you were or molested.
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Every behaviour is learned, it's taught. If you had never seen your mother kiss your father and you never had a grandmother who demanded a kiss on the cheek every time she came over to visit, you would grow up never knowing there was such a thing. If every time you got kissed by your grandmother she immediately proceeded to slap you across the face you would associate the act with hate and violence instead of love and tenderness.

Years ago when a fag walked by your father would say, "Look at that dirty queer," in a disgusted tone. On TV if they were portrayed at all, they were portrayed as vile degenerates, perverts, kidnappers, molesters.

Today your dad is mostly silent and on TV the queer is the brave hero of the story. You're right that nobody has seen the light, because that's not what it is. It's not about seeing the light. It's a matter of an induced change of perception. Society has been re-educated so to speak. Well, not all of us, most of us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27409139


I never saw homosexuals as a child and yet I had those feelings within me and thought I was the only one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26551418


Unless a child has been molested he or she does not think about sex. A child is a brain that is forming, who are just that a child growing up learning as they go! If you say you like dolls, well I liked toy guns and toy cars, but I am heterosexual female.
Don't come off that you knew as a child, unless you were told you were or molested.
 Quoting: Daughter


Agreed. Generally until 8-10, next to no thoughts exist. In 10-14, some do, but barely enough. It's 14-16 that starts to think about sex in any real way, usually.

I'm gay and first developed crushes around 12-14, and real attractions around 14-16, and my first time was 16-17.

Ages 1-12 was pure innocence.

If that poster means Ages 12+ as still 'childhood', which it is in a way, then I'd agree with them. Otherwise, I agree with you.
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Since I was about 40 I started having more "straight" guy friends than gay ones. Don't know how it happened but it did. The a funny thing started happening. My "straight buddies" and I would go out for a drink or two - then back to one of our houses and he usually mad the first move! A quick kiss, or a grope, or an excuse to get into my spa but doesn't have a swim suit & since we'er both guys, who cares? Once in the spa, a hand, a touch, an erection and we're off and running.

And it almost invariably leads to sex! They want to "try" it - they're curious, they've always wondered, etc. Next thing you know they're swinging on my cock or they've got their ass in the air asking me to fuck them!

I mean it wasn't one or two. I was like a dozen in a year. I never said or did anything that even would or coud have conveyed any interest to them on my part, because I figured they were 'straight" and felt we were friends and nothing more. I did find a couple attractive, but no more so than you might think someone you met or know is pretty or handsome. But that was the extent of it, I swear!

The number of "straight" guys who seem to want to try gay sex is astounding! And most of them want to play the "passive" or "feminine" role in bed when they do try it. (Suits me fine because I much prefer the top or active role, myself.)

Most of these guys I've stayed friends with. A couple finally came out. a couple are still married and cheating on their wives, and three I know are dating men as well as women now. Oh, and one or two stop by once in a while for a booty call at my house. To tell the truth, I've had more sex with my "straight male friends" than I ever managed to have with my gay buddies. So far none of them have freaked out about it. Most have wanted a repeat in the middle of the night or early the next morning, (and they got one.) And somehow we're still friends. I do NOT understand what is happening. I've never wanted to seduce straight men. I always figured they had their preference and I had mine and never the twain would meet. Seems I was wrong somehow.

I stopped trying to analyze it and have just accepted it as being the way things are right nwo. Maybe it will change. May it won't. The only slightly "scary" think is one of these guys thinks he may be in love with me. He says he's found feelings and emotions in bed with me that he only dreamed of finding with his ex wife. How do you respond to that? And not responding to it seems at the very least rude and worse, even insensitive to his feelings
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Since I was about 40 I started having more "straight" guy friends than gay ones. Don't know how it happened but it did. The a funny thing started happening. My "straight buddies" and I would go out for a drink or two - then back to one of our houses and he usually mad the first move! A quick kiss, or a grope, or an excuse to get into my spa but doesn't have a swim suit & since we'er both guys, who cares? Once in the spa, a hand, a touch, an erection and we're off and running.

And it almost invariably leads to sex! They want to "try" it - they're curious, they've always wondered, etc. Next thing you know they're swinging on my cock or they've got their ass in the air asking me to fuck them!

I mean it wasn't one or two. I was like a dozen in a year. I never said or did anything that even would or coud have conveyed any interest to them on my part, because I figured they were 'straight" and felt we were friends and nothing more. I did find a couple attractive, but no more so than you might think someone you met or know is pretty or handsome. But that was the extent of it, I swear!

The number of "straight" guys who seem to want to try gay sex is astounding! And most of them want to play the "passive" or "feminine" role in bed when they do try it. (Suits me fine because I much prefer the top or active role, myself.)

Most of these guys I've stayed friends with. A couple finally came out. a couple are still married and cheating on their wives, and three I know are dating men as well as women now. Oh, and one or two stop by once in a while for a booty call at my house. To tell the truth, I've had more sex with my "straight male friends" than I ever managed to have with my gay buddies. So far none of them have freaked out about it. Most have wanted a repeat in the middle of the night or early the next morning, (and they got one.) And somehow we're still friends. I do NOT understand what is happening. I've never wanted to seduce straight men. I always figured they had their preference and I had mine and never the twain would meet. Seems I was wrong somehow.

I stopped trying to analyze it and have just accepted it as being the way things are right nwo. Maybe it will change. May it won't. The only slightly "scary" think is one of these guys thinks he may be in love with me. He says he's found feelings and emotions in bed with me that he only dreamed of finding with his ex wife. How do you respond to that? And not responding to it seems at the very least rude and worse, even insensitive to his feelings
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Not responding is one of (but not the very) worst things you could do. Be honest but compassionate, is all.
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Re: Am I the only gay guy that doesn't buy the "straight guy sees the light" bullshit?
OK. So I'm 40 years old, and I came out when I was 16, which means I came out when being openly gay was socially marginalizing, if not downright dangerous to your physical person. This threat came almost exclusively from straight men, and it was the social norm. Since then, this new attitude towards homosexuals has arisen in many quarters, and I must say it has made life easier for me in many key respects. However, in spite of this, I can't say I entirely buy this overnight epiphany that straight men have allegedly had regarding gays, especially gay MEN.

Homosexuals have been treated like social lepers, if not as downright evil incarnate for the past 2000 years. Don't you think it's odd that straight men SUDDENLY got over it? I'm personally pretty skeptical, and don't think this is a change in behavior due to moral conviction, but rather to the fact that it's been made fashionable by the mass media to be cool to gays. Also, straight women have never cared the way straight men do, and since they have so much clout today I think straight men have just caved in to being cool, so their girlfriends don't get mad at them.

Am I the only gay guy that thinks this? It feels phony to me. I just don't believe them.
 Quoting: riffraffrocks


It is "phoney".
The left is using gays to destroy moral values like family,
etc.
This is why the left controlled media are pushing
"gay rights" as much as possible.
But don't worry, when the left takes over completly,
after killing all of the collaborators who helped
bring about a glorious communist world(after all you can't
trust a traitor)they will turn their attention to gays.
Because they will not want you to weaken their
communist society the way they used you to weaken ours.
Just check out what happens when the commies take over.
Jews, and any other religion, gays and lesbians, and of course libertarians will either be enslaved or killed.
Has happened under every collectivist system, from
Nazi germany to communist china and russia.
Now the gay rights supporters are really behind you
(sorry) because they have been indoctrinated, they don't really feel that way, but they think they should.
Enjoy this gay liberation as much as you can, because
when the people behind it(every socialist country in
the world) take over completly you and other gays
wull be on the end of a bayonette.
Feel better?
You can ignore the consequences of
your actions, but you cannot ignore
the RESULTS of the consequences of your actions

Ayn Rand
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I`m being honest.I believe that if everyone would just say what`s on there minds rather than doing themselves a disservice and keeping there true feelings bottled up, things would be tremendously easier in life.
 Quoting: objective viewer


Nothing in the thread says I'm bitching about the increasing tolerance of gays. I'm only question how sincere straight men are that's all. And I don't think they're sincere at all precisely because deep down they find it "fucking repulsive". I'd rather everyone just be honest about this stuff, and stop being so politically correct (ESPECIALLY GAY MEN). Thanks for the honest reply.
 Quoting: riffraffrocks


They are not "repulsed" by it. They want to be fisted in the ass, stupid bitch!
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Maybe in Brazil the men like to be fisted,but i assure you that`s not the case in N. AMERICA.
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I can ASSure you that is the case EVERYWHERE.





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