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A serious Bible question

 
Gulliver
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A serious Bible question
I've heard the King James Bible is the ONLY true Bible. There are so many 'new' versions which are apparently innacurate and some say, of the Devil.
I am NOT a Christian but I do enjoy reading the Bible (I read a lot!) and am mostly concerned with historical accuracy.

If you're a Bible 'expert', Christian or otherwise I would appreciate your views and any additional information on this subject.
Thanks :-)
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11/11/2012 01:32 PM
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its not worth reading. The bloke dies in the end.

really, i would stick to the modern authors, tolkin, stephen king, dan brown etc.
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its not worth reading. The bloke dies in the end.

really, i would stick to the modern authors, tolkin, stephen king, dan brown etc.
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Or people that are too lazy to capitalize words as they write. Those folks are usually really smart.
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its not worth reading. The bloke dies in the end.

really, i would stick to the modern authors, tolkin, stephen king, dan brown etc.
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I detest King and Brown...amateur rubbish. Real authors would include Miller, Orwell, Huxley, Wyndham, Heinlein, Wells, Burgess, Burroughs and so forth.
But thanks anyway :-)
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Re: A serious Bible question
I've heard the King James Bible is the ONLY true Bible. There are so many 'new' versions which are apparently innacurate and some say, of the Devil.
I am NOT a Christian but I do enjoy reading the Bible (I read a lot!) and am mostly concerned with historical accuracy.

If you're a Bible 'expert', Christian or otherwise I would appreciate your views and any additional information on this subject.
Thanks :-)
 Quoting: Gulliver 27528964



KJV is your best bet. Get a dictionary/concordance, Read them all and get a feel for the synonyms. I stay away from "Study Bibles", in my experience they have the most "bad" or misleading information. Study for yourself.
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11/11/2012 01:39 PM
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Re: A serious Bible question
Modern Bible translations fall into two basic groups:

1) formal equivalency
2) dynamic equivalency

Formal equivalency attempts a word for word rendition, providing as literal a translation as possible. Dynamic equivalency is more like a paraphrase, trying to convey ideas thought by thought.

Some of the more popular formal equivalency translations:

-King James Version (KJV)
-The New King James Version (NKJV)
-The New American Standard Bible (NASB)
-English Standard Version (ESV).

The KJV is the oldest of the four and continues to be the favorite for many.

Some of the more popular dynamic equivalency translations:

-The New International Version (NIV)
-Today’s New International Version (TNIV)
-The Message (MSG)
-The Living Bible (TLB)
-The Good News Bible (GNB)
-The New Living Translation (NLT).

Of those, the NIV is the most reliable.
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its not worth reading. The bloke dies in the end.
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SPOILER ALERT!!!

Last Edited by Psych on 11/11/2012 01:39 PM
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Re: A serious Bible question
I've heard the King James Bible is the ONLY true Bible. There are so many 'new' versions which are apparently innacurate and some say, of the Devil.
I am NOT a Christian but I do enjoy reading the Bible (I read a lot!) and am mostly concerned with historical accuracy.

If you're a Bible 'expert', Christian or otherwise I would appreciate your views and any additional information on this subject.
Thanks :-)
 Quoting: Gulliver 27528964


The Bible has a lot of interesting history. Just keep in mind that "Yahweh" was an ancient astronaut or group of astronauts. That's why they were so blood-thirsty and megalomaniacal. They were not godlike at all, but had mad skills in the technology department.

As to the legitimacy of the KJV: I've read or heard that it was actually written by the same guy who wrote the Shakespeare literature, Sir Francis Bacon. He was a freemason and put unicorns in the Bible. True story!

Mmm...bacon.
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Re: A serious Bible question
One question remains, however. Is it the penultimate irony that a gay man has indirectly brought Christianity to the same bigots (of whom consist of only part of Christian thought today) who have oppressed homosexuals throughout the past 400 years and continue to do so? In 1617, James gave a daring address to the Privy Council, affirming his right to love men once and for all:

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Re: A serious Bible question
Modern Bible translations fall into two basic groups:

1) formal equivalency
2) dynamic equivalency

Formal equivalency attempts a word for word rendition, providing as literal a translation as possible. Dynamic equivalency is more like a paraphrase, trying to convey ideas thought by thought.

Some of the more popular formal equivalency translations:

-King James Version (KJV)
-The New King James Version (NKJV)
-The New American Standard Bible (NASB)
-English Standard Version (ESV).

The KJV is the oldest of the four and continues to be the favorite for many.

Some of the more popular dynamic equivalency translations:

-The New International Version (NIV)
-Today’s New International Version (TNIV)
-The Message (MSG)
-The Living Bible (TLB)
-The Good News Bible (GNB)
-The New Living Translation (NLT).

Of those, the NIV is the most reliable.
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I like the amplified version.

hf
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its not worth reading. The bloke dies in the end.
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SPOILER ALERT!!!
 Quoting: Psych


He actually lives in the end, as we all do.

Love seeing your "Psych" icon, btw. Great show!
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Re: A serious Bible question
I've heard the King James Bible is the ONLY true Bible. There are so many 'new' versions which are apparently innacurate and some say, of the Devil.
I am NOT a Christian but I do enjoy reading the Bible (I read a lot!) and am mostly concerned with historical accuracy.

If you're a Bible 'expert', Christian or otherwise I would appreciate your views and any additional information on this subject.
Thanks :-)
 Quoting: Gulliver 27528964


The Bible has a lot of interesting history. Just keep in mind that "Yahweh" was an ancient astronaut or group of astronauts. That's why they were so blood-thirsty and megalomaniacal. They were not godlike at all, but had mad skills in the technology department.


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You won't find this in any of them...hahhahahha
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I've heard the King James Bible is the ONLY true Bible. There are so many 'new' versions which are apparently innacurate and some say, of the Devil.
I am NOT a Christian but I do enjoy reading the Bible (I read a lot!) and am mostly concerned with historical accuracy.

If you're a Bible 'expert', Christian or otherwise I would appreciate your views and any additional information on this subject.
Thanks :-)
 Quoting: Gulliver 27528964


The Bible has a lot of interesting history. Just keep in mind that "Yahweh" was an ancient astronaut or group of astronauts. That's why they were so blood-thirsty and megalomaniacal. They were not godlike at all, but had mad skills in the technology department.


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You won't find this in any of them...hahhahahha
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Au contraire, mon frere, you'll find this in all of them.
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11/11/2012 01:48 PM
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Re: A serious Bible question
Modern Bible translations fall into two basic groups:

1) formal equivalency
2) dynamic equivalency

Formal equivalency attempts a word for word rendition, providing as literal a translation as possible. Dynamic equivalency is more like a paraphrase, trying to convey ideas thought by thought.

Some of the more popular formal equivalency translations:

-King James Version (KJV)
-The New King James Version (NKJV)
-The New American Standard Bible (NASB)
-English Standard Version (ESV).

The KJV is the oldest of the four and continues to be the favorite for many.

Some of the more popular dynamic equivalency translations:

-The New International Version (NIV)
-Today’s New International Version (TNIV)
-The Message (MSG)
-The Living Bible (TLB)
-The Good News Bible (GNB)
-The New Living Translation (NLT).

Of those, the NIV is the most reliable.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1194370


I like the amplified version.

hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27511880


Me too.

I use all these three versions.

KJV and along with a Strong's concordance. You can then look up the original Hebrew and Greek.

In addition, I use the Amplified, and NLT.

I believe using all three, alone with the Strong's concordance, gives you a really complete and thorough understanding.
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I've heard the King James Bible is the ONLY true Bible. There are so many 'new' versions which are apparently innacurate and some say, of the Devil.
I am NOT a Christian but I do enjoy reading the Bible (I read a lot!) and am mostly concerned with historical accuracy.

If you're a Bible 'expert', Christian or otherwise I would appreciate your views and any additional information on this subject.
Thanks :-)
 Quoting: Gulliver 27528964


The Bible has a lot of interesting history. Just keep in mind that "Yahweh" was an ancient astronaut or group of astronauts. That's why they were so blood-thirsty and megalomaniacal. They were not godlike at all, but had mad skills in the technology department.


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You won't find this in any of them...hahhahahha
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Au contraire, mon frere, you'll find this in all of them.
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The Old testament was originally written in Hebrew so a translation from the Hebrew and including the Hebrew is possibly the best. Try JPS. The new Testament has also been translated over the centuries. The Dead Sea scrolls are alos a good study. There is bible software that is inexpensive and contains translations in many languages that will help in any research or study. Also, it might be valid to include the "Apocrapha" and Gnostic Gospels as well as the Book of Q in any full on Bible study.
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there is a bible that is better then all others it is called the King James Greek Hebrew keyword study bible... it has all the key words underlined and numbered with the strongs concordance in the back if you want to see what a word meant a t the time the bible was written you just look up the number in the back of the bible... it is the only bible you can find that will get you to the hidden meanings of the bible
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I've heard the King James Bible is the ONLY true Bible. There are so many 'new' versions which are apparently innacurate and some say, of the Devil.
I am NOT a Christian but I do enjoy reading the Bible (I read a lot!) and am mostly concerned with historical accuracy.

If you're a Bible 'expert', Christian or otherwise I would appreciate your views and any additional information on this subject.
Thanks :-)
 Quoting: Gulliver 27528964


The Bible has a lot of interesting history. Just keep in mind that "Yahweh" was an ancient astronaut or group of astronauts. That's why they were so blood-thirsty and megalomaniacal. They were not godlike at all, but had mad skills in the technology department.


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You won't find this in any of them...hahhahahha
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Au contraire, mon frere, you'll find this in all of them.
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That's pretty much why I want the most accurate version :-)
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stay away from the NIV it is from Satan himself!
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I've heard the King James Bible is the ONLY true Bible. There are so many 'new' versions which are apparently innacurate and some say, of the Devil.
I am NOT a Christian but I do enjoy reading the Bible (I read a lot!) and am mostly concerned with historical accuracy.


 Quoting: Gulliver 27528964


You should also try reading the Oahspe, if you like the historical aspect.
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For anyone interested, here is a site which has many, many translations - including study tools:

[link to studybible.info]
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The Bible has a lot of interesting history. Just keep in mind that "Yahweh" was an ancient astronaut or group of astronauts. That's why they were so blood-thirsty and megalomaniacal. They were not godlike at all, but had mad skills in the technology department.


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You won't find this in any of them...hahhahahha
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26980506


Au contraire, mon frere, you'll find this in all of them.
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That's pretty much why I want the most accurate version :-)
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This is in no part of any Christian Bible...Funny though. The guy is looking for it right now...he will come up empty handed (maybe with a whole host of self serving metaphors....but....)
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The Old testament was originally written in Hebrew so a translation from the Hebrew and including the Hebrew is possibly the best. Try JPS. The new Testament has also been translated over the centuries. The Dead Sea scrolls are alos a good study. There is bible software that is inexpensive and contains translations in many languages that will help in any research or study. Also, it might be valid to include the "Apocrapha" and Gnostic Gospels as well as the Book of Q in any full on Bible study.
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Nothing like intelligent, literate people...Thank you :-)
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stay away from the NIV it is from Satan himself!
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How so? What about the HCSB?
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For anyone interested, here is a site which has many, many translations - including study tools:

[link to studybible.info]
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Ta!
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For anyone interested, here is a site which has many, many translations - including study tools:

[link to studybible.info]
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Ta!
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Sure,

Don't forget to bring along the instructor as well.

peace,
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I've heard the King James Bible is the ONLY true Bible. There are so many 'new' versions which are apparently innacurate and some say, of the Devil.
I am NOT a Christian but I do enjoy reading the Bible (I read a lot!) and am mostly concerned with historical accuracy.

If you're a Bible 'expert', Christian or otherwise I would appreciate your views and any additional information on this subject.
Thanks :-)
 Quoting: Gulliver 27528964


Take a Comparative Religion course at a University or College. And even be open minded enough to take the time to understand atheists, as they may teach you more about biblical scriptures than any one else.

You're starting your path... with a ways to go.
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I've heard the King James Bible is the ONLY true Bible. There are so many 'new' versions which are apparently innacurate and some say, of the Devil.
I am NOT a Christian but I do enjoy reading the Bible (I read a lot!) and am mostly concerned with historical accuracy.

If you're a Bible 'expert', Christian or otherwise I would appreciate your views and any additional information on this subject.
Thanks :-)
 Quoting: Gulliver 27528964


Take a Comparative Religion course at a University or College. And even be open minded enough to take the time to understand atheists, as they may teach you more about biblical scriptures than any one else.

You're starting your path... with a ways to go.
 Quoting: SteveJ


I am an atheist. Went down the Christian path many, many years ago and found it to be a farce.
What I didn't appreciate at the time was all the hidden stuff in the Bible and its origins.
My 'path' is now somewhat different :-)
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Re: A serious Bible question
KJV closely correlates to the ORIGINAL Hebrew and Greek.

The newer version bibles are Satanic and change words in verses or even omit some all together.

King James Version >>>>


Oh, check out Book of Eli (Denzel Washington).. you might enjoy that.

Cheers.
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Anybody who's ever studied another language knows how difficult it is to convey a thought accurately when translating, and it's no different with the Bible. In fact, when translating from an ancient language to a modern one, there is much room for legitimate disagreement.

Those who say the KJV is the only true Bible and slander all other translations ignore much scholarship and exhibit a spirit and attitude most unbecoming of what the version they worship teaches.

If you just want to read and do light study, I recommend any of these: KJV, NIV, NRSV, NASB, HCSB, TLB. To study, get an interlinear and a good lexicon such as the Liddell/Scott, and read some of the exchanges in the b-greek newsgroup.

Also be advised that there's no such thing as an unbiased translation. Also, some get hung up over whether it's a translation or a paraphrase. But a paraphrase does not go from one language to another; it is saying something in different words in the same language (as when we say, "In other words..."). So any Bible that goes from the original Hebrew and Greek to some other language is a translation, whether some people like it or not.

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