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When I tell Christians I don't believe in Jesus, they say i am going to hell and then I tell them i want to go to hell!!!

 
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Always love reading the idiotic posts of the new age wackos and Jesus haters who think they are so much more knowledgable than His people.
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I guess you are the man of knowledge and wisdom
Ok mr know it all Christian how do I get to hell if I am a loving light empowered being of God, which way do I go, what planet do I go to, what dimension do I enter?
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Re: When I tell Christians I don't believe in Jesus, they say i am going to hell and then I tell them i want to go to hell!!!
Behold i am the Lord

I am powerful.

Be love and you can go anywhere.

We are one

We are eternal spiritual beings having a human experience.

Why can't i go to hell, i can go anywhere and then I can get out because i know the truth.

spread the peace, truth and love
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www.spiritlessons.org

"23 Minutes in Hell" its on Youtube also


You may qwant to reconsider


Eternity is a long time
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Re: When I tell Christians I don't believe in Jesus, they say i am going to hell and then I tell them i want to go to hell!!!
Behold i am the Lord

I am powerful.

Be love and you can go anywhere.

We are one

We are eternal spiritual beings having a human experience.

Why can't i go to hell, i can go anywhere and then I can get out because i know the truth.

spread the peace, truth and love
 Quoting: jacksprat


www.spiritlessons.org

"23 Minutes in Hell" its on Youtube also


You may qwant to reconsider


Eternity is a long time
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Cool a way in
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Always love reading the idiotic posts of the new age wackos and Jesus haters who think they are so much more knowledgable than His people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24831837


I guess you are the man of knowledge and wisdom
Ok mr know it all Christian how do I get to hell if I am a loving light empowered being of God, which way do I go, what planet do I go to, what dimension do I enter?
Peace
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You are just another mortal like anybody else on Earth, funny boy.
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Re: When I tell Christians I don't believe in Jesus, they say i am going to hell and then I tell them i want to go to hell!!!
Behold i am the Lord

I am powerful.

Be love and you can go anywhere.

We are one

We are eternal spiritual beings having a human experience.

Why can't i go to hell, i can go anywhere and then I can get out because i know the truth.

spread the peace, truth and love
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fact is you are in one of hell circles called earth ...

goodevil
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Jesus went to hell
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yeah why can't I

If he can get out, can I get out too?
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Sure. Ever been in prison?
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Look at many names in Hebrew, The "El" is translated to God. Like "Daniel" for instance, means God's judge.
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So, 11:11 is a warning from God and breaks down thusly...

El=God...Ev=evening...en=near, or here...so God is telling us the evening or end of time is near. Sounds right.
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Re: When I tell Christians I don't believe in Jesus, they say i am going to hell and then I tell them i want to go to hell!!!
Behold i am the Lord

I am powerful.

Be love and you can go anywhere.

We are one

We are eternal spiritual beings having a human experience.

Why can't i go to hell, i can go anywhere and then I can get out because i know the truth.

spread the peace, truth and love
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jack, do not troll brother,

I, I, me, me,...but you're not God.

The only thing you say of truth is we are eternal,
choose where you want to go, God's plan, one plan, has
been revealed. His greatest attribute is His mercy so
repent, get right with the Lord.

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Sunday, 11 November, 2012
Many Are On The Road To Perdition

Children of My Divine Heart,

I Am the Great I Am. I Am the Alpha and the Omega. I Am. The Author of All Things speaks. Hear Me. I desire to instruct you for My glory. Open your hearts. Open your hearts to Me. Surrender. Give Me permission to enter into your hearts, and lives. I Am, your Father, yearns to spend time with you. Many of My children refuse Me. Many have turned their backs on Me, and refuse to accept My divine will. Millions fail to understand that time is running out. Souls hang in the balance. Many are on the road to perdition, and remain indifferent. They refuse to believe in My very existence. They do not seek My face. They do not seek the Truth, even when prompted to do so. My Little Ones, when Truth comes to light, it is your duty to accept it in your lives. When Truth is made known to you, and if you still doubt, it is your duty to seek the answers you need, and to make sure that you remain on the right path. When you fail to do so, you immediately come under My wrath. Do not think, Children, that My mercy will still be granted to you when you persevere in sin, when you close your eyes to the Truth, and when you give your souls to Satan rather than to Me. I will reign supreme. I will establish My Kingdom on Earth, and you will reap accordingly. At this time in the history of the world, men are more disobedient than ever. They have made themselves as gods, and amuse themselves in defiance. I will put an end to their ways! I will bring all men to their knees. I will be adored by all creatures of the Earth, loved, and obeyed. Heed My words of warning. Often times, I have made myself a beggar, a Beggar-King in order to convince you to change. Soon, My wrath will be unleashed, and millions will go to their final judgement, and be turned over to Satan for all eternity. Do not be counted amongst these. Do not desire to test Me any longer. I have engraved My laws upon your hearts. Obey. The United States of America will have much to suffer in days to come. This nation will be chastised for her disobedience, and because she has forgotten the values of her founding Fathers, and legislated for Death. I will destroy her, strip her of her position, and reduce her to nothingness. This super power will be no more. Pray, Little Ones. Pray that souls return to Me before they pass. Let this act of charity be on your lips each day. Pray for the conversion of sinners, and for the grace of true contrition. I leave you My kiss of peace. Shalom
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Re: When I tell Christians I don't believe in Jesus, they say i am going to hell and then I tell them i want to go to hell!!!
Behold i am the Lord

I am powerful.

Be love and you can go anywhere.

We are one

We are eternal spiritual beings having a human experience.

Why can't i go to hell, i can go anywhere and then I can get out because i know the truth.

spread the peace, truth and love
 Quoting: jacksprat


jack, do not troll brother,

I, I, me, me,...but you're not God.

The only thing you say of truth is we are eternal,
choose where you want to go, God's plan, one plan, has
been revealed. His greatest attribute is His mercy so
repent, get right with the Lord.

+ + +

Sunday, 11 November, 2012
Many Are On The Road To Perdition

Children of My Divine Heart,

I Am the Great I Am. I Am the Alpha and the Omega. I Am. The Author of All Things speaks. Hear Me. I desire to instruct you for My glory. Open your hearts. Open your hearts to Me. Surrender. Give Me permission to enter into your hearts, and lives. I Am, your Father, yearns to spend time with you. Many of My children refuse Me. Many have turned their backs on Me, and refuse to accept My divine will. Millions fail to understand that time is running out. Souls hang in the balance. Many are on the road to perdition, and remain indifferent. They refuse to believe in My very existence. They do not seek My face. They do not seek the Truth, even when prompted to do so. My Little Ones, when Truth comes to light, it is your duty to accept it in your lives. When Truth is made known to you, and if you still doubt, it is your duty to seek the answers you need, and to make sure that you remain on the right path. When you fail to do so, you immediately come under My wrath. Do not think, Children, that My mercy will still be granted to you when you persevere in sin, when you close your eyes to the Truth, and when you give your souls to Satan rather than to Me. I will reign supreme. I will establish My Kingdom on Earth, and you will reap accordingly. At this time in the history of the world, men are more disobedient than ever. They have made themselves as gods, and amuse themselves in defiance. I will put an end to their ways! I will bring all men to their knees. I will be adored by all creatures of the Earth, loved, and obeyed. Heed My words of warning. Often times, I have made myself a beggar, a Beggar-King in order to convince you to change. Soon, My wrath will be unleashed, and millions will go to their final judgement, and be turned over to Satan for all eternity. Do not be counted amongst these. Do not desire to test Me any longer. I have engraved My laws upon your hearts. Obey. The United States of America will have much to suffer in days to come. This nation will be chastised for her disobedience, and because she has forgotten the values of her founding Fathers, and legislated for Death. I will destroy her, strip her of her position, and reduce her to nothingness. This super power will be no more. Pray, Little Ones. Pray that souls return to Me before they pass. Let this act of charity be on your lips each day. Pray for the conversion of sinners, and for the grace of true contrition. I leave you My kiss of peace. Shalom
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20541213

Thank you
I am just tired of Christisns thinking they know it all
They don't !!!
Anyways forgive me for being a troll it's that warrior in me
Blessings to you all
Thanks for the conversation
Peace and love
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Re: When I tell Christians I don't believe in Jesus, they say i am going to hell and then I tell them i want to go to hell!!!
I tell them that Jesus was a Jew and Jews don't believe in hell. sometimes, not often, they stop talking right away. that's the goal, right? to get 'em to stop talking?
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Re: When I tell Christians I don't believe in Jesus, they say i am going to hell and then I tell them i want to go to hell!!!
OP,

There's four highly credible cases of people being taken out of the body (two by NDEs, the other two taken out by God).

In all four cases, all four went to heaven. They then came across information about several deceased people. The information was previously unknown to them, but was later proven to be true down to the exact details.

This proves, that this was not the product of their imaginations / subconscious beliefs and expectations.

All four confirmed the existence of heaven, Jesus, and hell.

Two of these 4 actually witnessed people being tormented there.

This experience was not imagined, since again, they came across information about the deceased, that was later researched and verified to be true down to the exact details.
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Re: When I tell Christians I don't believe in Jesus, they say i am going to hell and then I tell them i want to go to hell!!!
There is no hell with some dude dressed in a red suit sporting a pitch fork and a pointy tail most religions are far gone in judgement brain washed fools. They should read there bible where it says thou shall not judge.. I have ran into them self righteous fools a lot of times.
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But have you ever come across a chained up fallen angel called Satan?

Isa.14:12-19
How art thou fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,
son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground,
which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart,
I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation,
in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will be like the most High.
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell,
to the sides of the pit.
They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee,
and consider thee,
saying,
Is this the man that made the earth to tremble,
that did shake kingdoms;
That made the world as a wilderness,
and destroyed the cities thereof;
that opened not the house of his prisoners?
All the kings of the nations,
even all of them,
lie in glory,
every one in his own house.
But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch,
and as the raiment of those that are slain,
thrust through with a sword,
that go down to the stones of the pit;
as a carcase trodden under feet.
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Re: When I tell Christians I don't believe in Jesus, they say i am going to hell and then I tell them i want to go to hell!!!
OP,

There's four highly credible cases of people being taken out of the body (two by NDEs, the other two taken out by God).

In all four cases, all four went to heaven. They then came across information about several deceased people. The information was previously unknown to them, but was later proven to be true down to the exact details.

This proves, that this was not the product of their imaginations / subconscious beliefs and expectations.

All four confirmed the existence of heaven, Jesus, and hell.

Two of these 4 actually witnessed people being tormented there.

This experience was not imagined, since again, they came across information about the deceased, that was later researched and verified to be true down to the exact details.
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There are also many cases of new age experiences and journeys
Thought manifests
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Re: When I tell Christians I don't believe in Jesus, they say i am going to hell and then I tell them i want to go to hell!!!
There is no hell with some dude dressed in a red suit sporting a pitch fork and a pointy tail most religions are far gone in judgement brain washed fools. They should read there bible where it says thou shall not judge.. I have ran into them self righteous fools a lot of times.
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bump
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OP,

There's four highly credible cases of people being taken out of the body (two by NDEs, the other two taken out by God).

In all four cases, all four went to heaven. They then came across information about several deceased people. The information was previously unknown to them, but was later proven to be true down to the exact details.

This proves, that this was not the product of their imaginations / subconscious beliefs and expectations.

All four confirmed the existence of heaven, Jesus, and hell.

Two of these 4 actually witnessed people being tormented there.

This experience was not imagined, since again, they came across information about the deceased, that was later researched and verified to be true down to the exact details.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27527707


There are also many cases of new age experiences and journeys
Thought manifests
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Yes, but you're giving me generalizations right now, which can probably be attributed to the person's imaginations / subconscious.

There's a big difference. One is real, one is imaginary.

Also, I was really heavy into the new age, for many many years, so I know what I'm talking about.
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OP,

There's four highly credible cases of people being taken out of the body (two by NDEs, the other two taken out by God).

In all four cases, all four went to heaven. They then came across information about several deceased people. The information was previously unknown to them, but was later proven to be true down to the exact details.

This proves, that this was not the product of their imaginations / subconscious beliefs and expectations.

All four confirmed the existence of heaven, Jesus, and hell.

Two of these 4 actually witnessed people being tormented there.

This experience was not imagined, since again, they came across information about the deceased, that was later researched and verified to be true down to the exact details.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27527707


OP already knows better than to fall for your Jesus/Heaven/Hell scheme. Nice try.

"You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger"
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Re: When I tell Christians I don't believe in Jesus, they say i am going to hell and then I tell them i want to go to hell!!!
OP,

There's four highly credible cases of people being taken out of the body (two by NDEs, the other two taken out by God).

In all four cases, all four went to heaven. They then came across information about several deceased people. The information was previously unknown to them, but was later proven to be true down to the exact details.

This proves, that this was not the product of their imaginations / subconscious beliefs and expectations.

All four confirmed the existence of heaven, Jesus, and hell.

Two of these 4 actually witnessed people being tormented there.

This experience was not imagined, since again, they came across information about the deceased, that was later researched and verified to be true down to the exact details.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27527707


OP already knows better than to fall for your Jesus/Heaven/Hell scheme. Nice try.
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And just like OP, you can't refute me with evidence.

You can only make lies / claims, and speculations, while avoiding evidence.
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Re: When I tell Christians I don't believe in Jesus, they say i am going to hell and then I tell them i want to go to hell!!!
Behold i am the Lord

I am powerful.

Be love and you can go anywhere.

We are one

We are eternal spiritual beings having a human experience.

Why can't i go to hell, i can go anywhere and then I can get out because i know the truth.

spread the peace, truth and love
 Quoting: jacksprat


How can you go to a place that's not real?
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A Concise Look at the Nature and Duration of Hell
[link to christiandefense.org]
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OP,

There's four highly credible cases of people being taken out of the body (two by NDEs, the other two taken out by God).

In all four cases, all four went to heaven. They then came across information about several deceased people. The information was previously unknown to them, but was later proven to be true down to the exact details.

This proves, that this was not the product of their imaginations / subconscious beliefs and expectations.

All four confirmed the existence of heaven, Jesus, and hell.

Two of these 4 actually witnessed people being tormented there.

This experience was not imagined, since again, they came across information about the deceased, that was later researched and verified to be true down to the exact details.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27527707


OP already knows better than to fall for your Jesus/Heaven/Hell scheme. Nice try.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


And just like OP, you can't refute me with evidence.

You can only make lies / claims, and speculations, while avoiding evidence.
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Here you go. One of the most well known and compelling NDE cases available - Pam Reynolds. This woman met her deceased family members and never saw Jesus. Please tell me why she didn't experience Jesus since you claim this to be some universal truth. I look forward to your answer.

[link to www.near-death.com]
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During the time that Pam was in standstill, she experienced a NDE. Her remarkably detailed veridical out-of-body observations during her surgery were later verified to be very accurate. This case is considered to be one of the strongest cases of veridical evidence in NDE research because of her ability to describe the unique surgical instruments and procedures used and her ability to describe in detail these events while she was clinically and brain dead.
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There are many more cases like this but you are too lazy to seek them out because they don't conform to your black & white understanding of this complicated concept.

Last Edited by ANHEDONIC on 11/11/2012 07:14 PM

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OP,

There's four highly credible cases of people being taken out of the body (two by NDEs, the other two taken out by God).

In all four cases, all four went to heaven. They then came across information about several deceased people. The information was previously unknown to them, but was later proven to be true down to the exact details.

This proves, that this was not the product of their imaginations / subconscious beliefs and expectations.

All four confirmed the existence of heaven, Jesus, and hell.

Two of these 4 actually witnessed people being tormented there.

This experience was not imagined, since again, they came across information about the deceased, that was later researched and verified to be true down to the exact details.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27527707


OP already knows better than to fall for your Jesus/Heaven/Hell scheme. Nice try.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


And just like OP, you can't refute me with evidence.

You can only make lies / claims, and speculations, while avoiding evidence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27527707


Here you go. One of the most well known and compelling NDE cases available - Pam Reynolds. This woman met her deceased family members and never saw Jesus. Please tell me why she didn't experience Jesus since you claim this to be some universal truth. I look forward to your answer.

[link to www.near-death.com]


 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


This question, will answer your question.

When you walked outside your door, do you see Japan?

If you don't, does this mean, that Japan does not exist?
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OP,

There's four highly credible cases of people being taken out of the body (two by NDEs, the other two taken out by God).

In all four cases, all four went to heaven. They then came across information about several deceased people. The information was previously unknown to them, but was later proven to be true down to the exact details.

This proves, that this was not the product of their imaginations / subconscious beliefs and expectations.

All four confirmed the existence of heaven, Jesus, and hell.

Two of these 4 actually witnessed people being tormented there.

This experience was not imagined, since again, they came across information about the deceased, that was later researched and verified to be true down to the exact details.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27527707


OP already knows better than to fall for your Jesus/Heaven/Hell scheme. Nice try.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC

Cool thanks wolf
And just like OP, you can't refute me with evidence.

You can only make lies / claims, and speculations, while avoiding evidence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27527707


Here you go. One of the most well known and compelling NDE cases available - Pam Reynolds. This woman met her deceased family members and never saw Jesus. Please tell me why she didn't experience Jesus since you claim this to be some universal truth. I look forward to your answer.

[link to www.near-death.com]
---------------
During the time that Pam was in standstill, she experienced a NDE. Her remarkably detailed veridical out-of-body observations during her surgery were later verified to be very accurate. This case is considered to be one of the strongest cases of veridical evidence in NDE research because of her ability to describe the unique surgical instruments and procedures used and her ability to describe in detail these events while she was clinically and brain dead.
----------------------------



There are many more cases like this but you are too lazy to seek them out because they don't conform to your black & white understanding of this complicated concept.
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OP already knows better than to fall for your Jesus/Heaven/Hell scheme. Nice try.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC

Cool thanks wolf
And just like OP, you can't refute me with evidence.

You can only make lies / claims, and speculations, while avoiding evidence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27527707


Here you go. One of the most well known and compelling NDE cases available - Pam Reynolds. This woman met her deceased family members and never saw Jesus. Please tell me why she didn't experience Jesus since you claim this to be some universal truth. I look forward to your answer.

[link to www.near-death.com]
---------------
During the time that Pam was in standstill, she experienced a NDE. Her remarkably detailed veridical out-of-body observations during her surgery were later verified to be very accurate. This case is considered to be one of the strongest cases of veridical evidence in NDE research because of her ability to describe the unique surgical instruments and procedures used and her ability to describe in detail these events while she was clinically and brain dead.
----------------------------



There are many more cases like this but you are too lazy to seek them out because they don't conform to your black & white understanding of this complicated concept.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1420740


This woman, confirms that the light,

1) was an essence of God, she calls it the breath of God Other Christians, in their NDE, also confirmed the light was an essence of God.

The woman in the vid describes herself as a Christian (in an AJC article).

2) She confirms there's a wonderful place, that the deceased resides.

I too believe in God. I too believe in heaven, where the deceased resides.

She's confirming my beliefs.
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Re: When I tell Christians I don't believe in Jesus, they say i am going to hell and then I tell them i want to go to hell!!!
Behold i am the Lord

I am powerful.

Be love and you can go anywhere.

We are one

We are eternal spiritual beings having a human experience.

Why can't i go to hell, i can go anywhere and then I can get out because i know the truth.

spread the peace, truth and love
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YOu do want to go to HELLFIRE, its a good thing. this is what hell fire stands for


HavingEverLastingLife Fiery Intelligence Reasonating Eternally. They want to avoid this!
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Re: When I tell Christians I don't believe in Jesus, they say i am going to hell and then I tell them i want to go to hell!!!
But have you ever come across a chained up fallen angel called Satan?

Isa.14:12-19
How art thou fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,
son of the morning!
how art thou cut down to the ground,
which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart,
I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation,
in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
I will be like the most High.
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell,
to the sides of the pit.
They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee,
and consider thee,
saying,
Is this the man that made the earth to tremble,
that did shake kingdoms;
That made the world as a wilderness,
and destroyed the cities thereof;
that opened not the house of his prisoners?
All the kings of the nations,
even all of them,
lie in glory,
every one in his own house.
But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch,
and as the raiment of those that are slain,
thrust through with a sword,
that go down to the stones of the pit;
as a carcase trodden under feet.
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Satan no longer walks this planet for about 100 years and Lucifer his boss was removed 2000 years ago, and this past century underwent trial in the courts of heaven and choose his uncreation. Much of the astral realm has been removed some distance from earth and this ones cannot affect you much either. so knock it off.
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OP already knows better than to fall for your Jesus/Heaven/Hell scheme. Nice try.
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And just like OP, you can't refute me with evidence.

You can only make lies / claims, and speculations, while avoiding evidence.
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Here you go. One of the most well known and compelling NDE cases available - Pam Reynolds. This woman met her deceased family members and never saw Jesus. Please tell me why she didn't experience Jesus since you claim this to be some universal truth. I look forward to your answer.

[link to www.near-death.com]


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This question, will answer your question.

When you walked outside your door, do you see Japan?

If you don't, does this mean, that Japan does not exist?
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Let me elaborate. There's pastor Tommy Bates. He was taken out of the body, and into heaven. In this experience, Jesus didn't appear. But he still saw, the river of life, as described in the Bible. He also saw the deceased. Importantly he learned of veridical information, regarding a deceased woman. This information, was then shared with the deceased woman's daughter.

So again, just because it's not seen, Jesus in this case, doesn't mean he doesn't exist.
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And just like OP, you can't refute me with evidence.

You can only make lies / claims, and speculations, while avoiding evidence.
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Here you go. One of the most well known and compelling NDE cases available - Pam Reynolds. This woman met her deceased family members and never saw Jesus. Please tell me why she didn't experience Jesus since you claim this to be some universal truth. I look forward to your answer.

[link to www.near-death.com]


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This question, will answer your question.

When you walked outside your door, do you see Japan?

If you don't, does this mean, that Japan does not exist?
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Let me elaborate. There's pastor Tommy Bates. He was taken out of the body, and into heaven. In this experience, Jesus didn't appear. But he still saw, the river of life, as described in the Bible. He also saw the deceased. Importantly he learned of veridical information, regarding a deceased woman. This information, was then shared with the deceased woman's daughter.

So again, just because it's not seen, Jesus in this case, doesn't mean he doesn't exist.
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Also just like Pam in the vid, who describes herself as a Christian, the pastor, also saw the light.
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This question, will answer your question.

When you walked outside your door, do you see Japan?

If you don't, does this mean, that Japan does not exist?
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Do you think you're clever by ignoring my straightforward question and trying to deflect attention away from the fact that I presented you with the 'evidence' that you asked for? Please answer my question. Your posts on GLP wish to convince people that the only real NDE's of heaven all involve 'Jesus', and I presented you with a well respected case that didn't feature Jesus, so please tell me why you continue to disregard these cases that do not fit your agenda. Does Pam Reynolds, having experienced her NDE and having met her deceased family members, need to now turn to Christianity and accept 'Jesus Christ' as her lord and savior???

As I said from the beginning, you also fail to mention any of the NDE's in which the individuals experienced their 'life review' and were the judge of their own life experiences. Jesus wasn't judging them, 'God' wasn't judging them, they were doing the evaluating. Does this not fit into your agenda to scare people about 'hell' and try to convince them to embrace Christianity??? Does the evidence for reincarnation and people having lived multiple lives not fit into your agenda either? The fact that people could be incarnating multiple times doesn't fit too well with your black & white presentation of heaven or hell, does it?

As long as you continue to disregard the 'evidence' which does not support your agenda, I will continue to call you out on it. I don't personally care what you believe, but if you're going to attempt to 'educate' others and continue to intentionally disregard evidence which contradicts your one-sided presentation, I will speak up about it. You are trying to scare people into accepting your belief system, which is exactly what the churches have done for thousands of years. It's disturbing and one day you will hopefully find the awareness to understand why you should not be engaging in such behavior.

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This question, will answer your question.

When you walked outside your door, do you see Japan?

If you don't, does this mean, that Japan does not exist?
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Do you think you're clever by ignoring my straightforward question and trying to deflect attention away from the fact that I presented you with the 'evidence' that you asked for? Please answer my question. Your posts on GLP wish to convince people that the only real NDE's of heaven all involve 'Jesus', and I presented you with a well respected case that didn't feature Jesus, so please tell me why you continue to disregard these cases that do not fit your agenda. Does Pam Reynolds, having experienced her NDE and having met her deceased family members, need to now turn to Christianity and accept 'Jesus Christ' as her lord and savior???

As I said from the beginning, you also fail to mention any of the NDE's in which the individuals experienced their 'life review' and were the judge of their own life experiences. Jesus wasn't judging them, 'God' wasn't judging them, they were doing the evaluating. Does this not fit into your agenda to scare people about 'hell' and try to convince them to embrace Christianity??? Does the evidence for reincarnation and people having lived multiple lives not fit into your agenda either? The fact that people could be incarnating multiple times doesn't fit too well with your black & white presentation of heaven or hell, does it?

As long as you continue to disregard the 'evidence' which does not support your agenda, I will continue to call you out on it. I don't personally care what you believe, but if you're going to attempt to 'educate' others and continue to intentionally disregard evidence which contradicts your one-sided presentation, I will speak up about it. You are trying to scare people into accepting your belief system, which is exactly what the churches have done for thousands of years. It's disturbing and one day you will hopefully find the awareness to understand why you should not be engaging in such behavior.
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How many times do I need to repeat myself regarding reincarnation.

I'm not ruling this out. There's a case of a Christian woman, who came across a tremendous amount of veridical information, proving her experience was not imagined.

This woman, stated, there's cases, in which if a person didn't fulfill his / her destiny, that they may return to another body.
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Also regarding the life reviews. Christians are also experiencing this, in their NDEs, for example with former professor and atheist Howard Storm.
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OP,

There's four highly credible cases of people being taken out of the body (two by NDEs, the other two taken out by God).

In all four cases, all four went to heaven. They then came across information about several deceased people. The information was previously unknown to them, but was later proven to be true down to the exact details.

This proves, that this was not the product of their imaginations / subconscious beliefs and expectations.

All four confirmed the existence of heaven, Jesus, and hell.

Two of these 4 actually witnessed people being tormented there.

This experience was not imagined, since again, they came across information about the deceased, that was later researched and verified to be true down to the exact details.
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OP already knows better than to fall for your Jesus/Heaven/Hell scheme. Nice try.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


And just like OP, you can't refute me with evidence.

You can only make lies / claims, and speculations, while avoiding evidence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27527707


Here you go. One of the most well known and compelling NDE cases available - Pam Reynolds. This woman met her deceased family members and never saw Jesus. Please tell me why she didn't experience Jesus since you claim this to be some universal truth. I look forward to your answer.

[link to www.near-death.com]
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During the time that Pam was in standstill, she experienced a NDE. Her remarkably detailed veridical out-of-body observations during her surgery were later verified to be very accurate. This case is considered to be one of the strongest cases of veridical evidence in NDE research because of her ability to describe the unique surgical instruments and procedures used and her ability to describe in detail these events while she was clinically and brain dead.
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There are many more cases like this but you are too lazy to seek them out because they don't conform to your black & white understanding of this complicated concept.
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lol, I posted this exact same vid, much much earlier.

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