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Holy crap, Machinist in Nevada starting pay $12hr with benefits

 
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11/11/2012 09:13 PM
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Here's how it works. They advertise a position for low pay, and demand high qualifications. Sometimes the qualifications are impossible, such as having 2 years experience working with Microsoft 8.

Then when no-one who is qualified applies, the company applies to bring in foreign workers. They drop the impossible qualification, and hire foreigners who will do the job on the cheap.

At least this ad is offering $12 an hour. The fake ads in my area usually only offer $8. (But they require the person be bilingual, have several years of supervising, and have several years of specialized training. All for only minimum wage. )
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Interresting. That little game I was not aware of.
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11/11/2012 09:15 PM
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dont worry that game will soon come to Canada, now thats it's a company and not a country.
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11/11/2012 09:26 PM
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That's what happens when you get rid of the unions.

Welcome to poverty. How's that ramen tasting?
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Holy crap, Machinist in Nevada starting pay $12hr with benefits

Just saw the story on 60 mins about the jobs situation in the USA

3 million job openings, WOW!...the problem is the companies say that today's average applicant does not have the technical skills needed for the job(s)

2 guys went thru 16 weeks of school and were offered machinist jobs at $12hr

I thought a job of this technical skill would at least start at $16 an hour

your thoughts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27120400


Keep on voting on freemarket capitalist politicians that make the laborforce compete with Chinese willing to work for 12 dollars a day...

That's how the middle class has been been destroyed in western nations. Obviously the rich benefit from it since there are in general higher returns on investments (and if your middle class you can't have many investments). And when the new poor start complaining it is suddenly called class warfare (which in itself is correct, but it started back in the 80's and became significantly worse after the end of the cold war)...
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11/11/2012 09:27 PM
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1957 called. It wants its salary back.
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11/11/2012 09:28 PM
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dont worry that game will soon come to Canada, now thats it's a company and not a country.
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Harper already announced a couple of months ago that he was dropping the requirement that new immigrants have a basic grasp of either English or French. So I'm already expecting a swarthy flood of $10 a day competition without the need for any games at all.
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11/11/2012 09:30 PM
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In 16 weeks they learned how to place the raw stock in a vise or fixture, push the green button, do secondary ops while machine is running, then take out the part and start all over. They were also taught what the big red "Oh Shit" button is for that stops the machine after the loud crunch sound is heard. They were not taught how to program or set up the machines, and probably have to get a superior to make offsets for them when the parts get out of spec.

I was there when I first started, low pay button pusher, but now have my own shop. If they have the mechanical smarts, drive and will to succeed they will quickly climb the ladder, and depending on the shop should be around $20hr. Still not great by historical standards, but competing with China is a bitch and they are keeping wages low.

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11/11/2012 09:31 PM
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$12 is total crap pay for anything skilled. Learn to build a website, $30+/hour for basic stuff. Serious not so common IT skills $100+/hour.

3M jobs to be filled but they can't pay more than $12/hour? Maybe if the pay didn't suck they would get more people to train as machinists. How are you supposed to pay rent and pay back student loans on that?

$12 hour on the job training would be a different matter.
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Holy crap, Machinist in Nevada starting pay $12hr with benefits

Just saw the story on 60 mins about the jobs situation in the USA

3 million job openings, WOW!...the problem is the companies say that today's average applicant does not have the technical skills needed for the job(s)

2 guys went thru 16 weeks of school and were offered machinist jobs at $12hr

I thought a job of this technical skill would at least start at $16 an hour

your thoughts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27120400


Seems like they are trying to calibrate our pay scale to compete with China...
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Holy crap, Machinist in Nevada starting pay $12hr with benefits

Just saw the story on 60 mins about the jobs situation in the USA

3 million job openings, WOW!...the problem is the companies say that today's average applicant does not have the technical skills needed for the job(s)

2 guys went thru 16 weeks of school and were offered machinist jobs at $12hr

I thought a job of this technical skill would at least start at $16 an hour

your thoughts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27120400


Keep on voting on freemarket capitalist politicians that make the laborforce compete with Chinese willing to work for 12 dollars a day...

That's how the middle class has been been destroyed in western nations. Obviously the rich benefit from it since there are in general higher returns on investments (and if your middle class you can't have many investments). And when the new poor start complaining it is suddenly called class warfare (which in itself is correct, but it started back in the 80's and became significantly worse after the end of the cold war)...
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that's the hilarious part, the republicans here blaming it on the obama economy, when it's free market capitalism, outsourcing, and a 'strong dollar policy' that caused it along with unchecked immigration. Republicans always claimed to support sealing up the border but they only did it with words to get people to vote for them, they never actually took action. These parties are out there to fool the whole likes of you sheep.

The rich got richer on the backs of lower wages, it's not because of democrats (though I'm not claiming there's a huge difference between the two)

Now it's too late to do anything about it. The bubble is massive, the debt levels astronomical, and interest rates will be stuck at zero for years or until we burst/collapse, while the average real wage continues to decline as jobs continue to leave the US. The illegals are here in droves and still coming, the outsourcing continues aggressively. There's no jobs left.

Free market now means you must go to college and be an enginner or pharmacist, until so many people do that pretty soon the wages for those jobs starts to decline too. That's the inevitable outcome of all this, even college educated professions start to suffer wage declines.

All these college grads on their high horse saying people need to educate themselves, that's not the real core problem here.

Bottom line, we are selling out our future generations so we can benefit now.. more specifically, the top is selling us out for the bottom line, profit margins, stock prices.

There's still opportunity there though in skilled professions such as pharmacists, doctors, plumbers, etc. It's up for the opportune young person to have an elder guide them in the right direction and of course to have the drive and urge to want to succeed, and not just party, drink, and lay around. Admittedly there's too much of that going on.
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Holy crap, Machinist in Nevada starting pay $12hr with benefits

Just saw the story on 60 mins about the jobs situation in the USA

3 million job openings, WOW!...the problem is the companies say that today's average applicant does not have the technical skills needed for the job(s)

2 guys went thru 16 weeks of school and were offered machinist jobs at $12hr

I thought a job of this technical skill would at least start at $16 an hour

your thoughts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27120400


Keep on voting on freemarket capitalist politicians that make the laborforce compete with Chinese willing to work for 12 dollars a day...

That's how the middle class has been been destroyed in western nations. Obviously the rich benefit from it since there are in general higher returns on investments (and if your middle class you can't have many investments). And when the new poor start complaining it is suddenly called class warfare (which in itself is correct, but it started back in the 80's and became significantly worse after the end of the cold war)...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22089462


Yup, they started the class war not us, when they started shipping out jobs to China. There is no such thing as a free market and never has been in the entire 5000 year history of commerce on this planet. Business never had the right to import anything. If they were allowed to do it at, all they paid heavy fines in the form of tariffs to do it.

All I see here on this site is brain dead idiots complaining about unemployed people getting food stamps. 25 years ago we made the fuckers responsible for the unemployment in the first place pay for the food stamps with heavy duties on imported shit. We should be doing that right now.
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11/11/2012 09:55 PM
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That's what happens when you get rid of the unions.

Welcome to poverty. How's that ramen tasting?
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hahahaha! the unions are a big part of what is strangling this country you brainwashed fool
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Front desk receptionist at a hilton hotel. Texas. 9.50/he-

You all saying $12 an hour is shit, I envy
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Holy crap, Machinist in Nevada starting pay $12hr with benefits

Just saw the story on 60 mins about the jobs situation in the USA

3 million job openings, WOW!...the problem is the companies say that today's average applicant does not have the technical skills needed for the job(s)

2 guys went thru 16 weeks of school and were offered machinist jobs at $12hr

I thought a job of this technical skill would at least start at $16 an hour

your thoughts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27120400


I worked in an aircraft factory in a small maryland city way back in 1978-83 and was making $12-$13/hour back then! And that was relatively unskilled....trained on the job.

And a fairly nice house cost around $50-$60,000.

You couldn't afford much of a house today off of $12/hour...devalued currency.
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Holy crap, Machinist in Nevada starting pay $12hr with benefits

Just saw the story on 60 mins about the jobs situation in the USA

3 million job openings, WOW!...the problem is the companies say that today's average applicant does not have the technical skills needed for the job(s)

2 guys went thru 16 weeks of school and were offered machinist jobs at $12hr

I thought a job of this technical skill would at least start at $16 an hour

your thoughts?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27120400


McDonalds pay starts at $12 an hour now too, and they get benefits...
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12 bucks an hour? That would be a little more than 300 bucks a week net. Who the fuck can live on that?
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11/11/2012 10:48 PM
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CNC machines and modern fabrication processes have destroyed the demand for machinists..there's no reason to pay them more than 8/hour even if they have 30 years experience and an outstanding work ethic


A machinist is a dinosaur..there's too many of them and no one needs their skills just like we don't need skills in manual typewriting or calligraphy or sword making anymore

Machinists need to get with the times and get a high technology job if they are smart enough
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That's what happens when you get rid of the unions.

Welcome to poverty. How's that ramen tasting?

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Has it occurred to you WHY businesses are leaving to open up in China?!? China don't have Union's to deal with.

Money has a life of it's own. It naturally migrates to the point of least resistance.
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11/11/2012 10:54 PM
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$12 an hour is very close to MINIMUM SALARY in Canada.

A job at McDonals pays as much.
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That's what happens when you get rid of the unions.

Welcome to poverty. How's that ramen tasting?

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Has it occurred to you WHY businesses are leaving to open up in China?!? China don't have Union's to deal with.

Money has a life of it's own. It naturally migrates to the point of least resistance.
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Wal-Mart has unions in China. The government forced it on Wal-Mart.

And corporations are already leaving China because the salaries are going up... and they are moving to Vietnam and these kind of places where the workers are treated like crap.
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You can make more than that on unemployment.
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No you don't. I know someone who was making $12-$13 an hour. On unemployment he is making $250/week or $6 an hour average based on 40 hours.

If you're going to state facts at least make them somewhat accurate.
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I live in Reno, and literally the only jobs are for doctors, nurses, workhouse laborer, and miscallaneous service workers in Casinos.

All the other service jobs like cashiers and waiters are only reserved for college aged women.


All the small businesses have either shut down, downsized, or on the verge of collapse.

The university admissions rate drops by 12% each semester for the past few years.


shit all fucked up
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To judge their caliber all you have to ask is if they can work in tenths.
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...good play on words...but dont we use micrometers these days with the lathes,calibers are so 19th century...
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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the hemp industry is the place to be these days in 2 of our states now...
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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they'll all be cut down to part time status soon enough.....
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To judge their caliber all you have to ask is if they can work in tenths.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27041005


194: I was wondering about that too with Obamacare kicking in soon. We are under 30 people so maybe it won't affect us.
Yeah, wishful thinking.

1005: It would be nice if we only dealt in tenths. The US prints are in decimal AND fractions. The Chinese crap comes in metric. Takes me longer to convert for inspection logs than the actual inspections do.

Thank goodness for Excel. I've got the logs set up to auto-convert the entries for the "official" records. Not so bad.

I almost wish we would just convert everything to metric. So much easier. I said almost. Tenths would be OK too.
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If you have less than 30 employees you'll get to pay for your own healthcare out of your own pocket won't you.
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That's what happens when you get rid of the unions.

Welcome to poverty. How's that ramen tasting?

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Has it occurred to you WHY businesses are leaving to open up in China?!? China don't have Union's to deal with.

Money has a life of it's own. It naturally migrates to the point of least resistance.
 Quoting: Tanarus


Why would we want to compete with China on labour costs?

Why would we want to destroy our own middleclass?
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Clever Marxists have destroyed America.

Americans do not even realize.

Russia won hands down....Congratulations.
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12 bucks an hour? That would be a little more than 300 bucks a week net. Who the fuck can live on that?
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You can still buy a 20Lb bag of rice for $7.99. You can live on that for at least a month. Not too bad for 1 hour of work, or coffee break.
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11/11/2012 11:33 PM
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shoot, I pay my guys over $20 in a little Podunk town that averages 8 per hr.

The business next to me pays the guys half of what my guys make and work long hrs.

I have long term employees, you can't do to well on $10 per hr, especially if you have a family.

They get a bonus if we have a good week.

And...we work 9 hrs Mon through Thurs. and 1/2 day Fri. Weekends off. I figure they can pick up some work on the weekend if they need more.

It is a start up business, and they didn't know squat when they started. 2 years they make 200+ more a week than when they started.

I make money, they make money.

Of course I only have a couple of employees :)
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11/12/2012 12:02 AM
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Well lets see. For a single person (very conservative figures)

$25,000/ yr
- 3,200/ Federal Tax
- 1,100/ State Income Tax
- 2,150/ FICA
- 820/ Medicare
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$17,730/ Net Income
- 8,400/ Annual Average Rent for a 1 Bedroom Apartment
- 920/ Annual utilities (Electric, gas, water)
- 1,270/ Auto Insurance per year
- 2,370/ Gasoline per year
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$ 4,770
- 4,770/ Annual food costs ($91.73 x 52 weeks)
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$ 0.00


Now, if you take public transportation, you'll only spend about maybe $1,300/ yr, and save $2,340

But, heaven forbid if you need to pay child support or get injured requiring hospitalization or have any loan or credit card debt. And you won't really be able to afford a cell phone or Internet and not have to much for fun. Further more you'll be likely to live check-tocheck.

Oh BTW, the poverty level for a single person in the US is $11,170.00

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