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did you give your baby FORMULA instead of your breast milk

 
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And I do take anxiety meds, and survive on coffee and nicotine.
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And that right there is your true motive for not breastfeeding...did you ever think your babies were preemie because of your nicotine addicted body and your weak lungs not providing the adequate amount of oxygen for your poor babies to thrive?

sad...nobody NEEDS cigarettes and coffee..
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Considering that it was an incompetent cervix, no.
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The ingredients in many formulas are no more synthetic than the VITAMINS the same anti-formula people tell everyone to take. Its true there are some man made ingredients in all foods that have turned out to be bad for us. But the fact something is synthesized from natural ingredients does not instantly make it bad. Even synthetic things actually come from nature, it just depends on how much processing away from nature it has gotten.
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post-partum depression is a whole other bull shit topic that's getting shoved down EVERY mothers throat..

you can't cope with being a mother? No sleep? feel un-supported? Are you depressed? Axious? Feel like you don't have the energy and motivation to go on?

TAKE THESE PILLS..such bull shit.

PPD does have real symptoms but 50 years ago it was called being a parent. And you didn't treat it with heavy narcotics.

Every one is "suffering" from it now, more money for big pharma.
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And I do take anxiety meds, and survive on coffee and nicotine.
 Quoting: SewDucky


And that right there is your true motive for not breastfeeding...did you ever think your babies were preemie because of your nicotine addicted body and your weak lungs not providing the adequate amount of oxygen for your poor babies to thrive?

sad...nobody NEEDS cigarettes and coffee..
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oh. my. gosh.

blink.

nope, still there.

wow, i can't believe you just said to her!
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Re: did you give your baby FORMULA instead of your breast milk
I breastfed on demand, wherever I happened to be except, of course, the bathroom.

Its a no brainer. Who wants to deal with smelly sour plastic bottles when your own milk is always clean and fresh? Always the right temperature. No waste or leftovers. Always available. No late night trips to the store.

I was bottle fed and my teeth are messed up as a result. Breastfed kids don't need braces.

There's no reason not to, if mother is healthy and doesn't get pregnant again.

Used to be if a woman was too sickly to feed her baby a healthy woman would be hired to breastfeed the baby. That's a much better solution than infant formula.

Its not just nutrition. Breastfeeding on demand is frequent intimate loving contact. It supports a trusting bond that influences how the infant views the world forever. It teaches mother just how important her role is.

Besides, I gained fifty pounds to birth a nine pounder.in three months of nursing whenever he demanded, I was in my pre pregnancy clothes and my belly was fit and flat without exercise.
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post-partum depression is a whole other bull shit topic that's getting shoved down EVERY mothers throat..

you can't cope with being a mother? No sleep? feel un-supported? Are you depressed? Axious? Feel like you don't have the energy and motivation to go on?

TAKE THESE PILLS..such bull shit.

PPD does have real symptoms but 50 years ago it was called being a parent. And you didn't treat it with heavy narcotics.

Every one is "suffering" from it now, more money for big pharma.
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yeah, it isn't easy,

so of course they have a cure.

First one we listened to them,,,,,ugh.. learned what it was all about stopped ALL OF IT!.


second one, we just realize the realizations of life and be thankful for our blessings...



they market that shit.... so sad....
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The ingredients in many formulas are no more synthetic than the VITAMINS the same anti-formula people tell everyone to take. Its true there are some man made ingredients in all foods that have turned out to be bad for us. But the fact something is synthesized from natural ingredients does not instantly make it bad. Even synthetic things actually come from nature, it just depends on how much processing away from nature it has gotten.
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I don't think most breastfeeding moms are anti-formula, but rather PRO-breastfeeding.
But great note on the vitamins. I didn't find a perfect one yet, but here is one for those who want to be extra cautious but still need a little help with their nutrition:
[link to www.newchapter.com]
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oh. my. gosh.

blink.

nope, still there.

wow, i can't believe you just said to her!


The rest of the statement doesn't mean anything. Not the fact that I walked out of the hospital 12 hours later, was in good enough shape people didn't believe I gave birth and was in the same clothes I wore before I got pregnant.

Both my OBGYNs hated the fact I am in better health then the majority of their patients. My son came home 2 days after birth, and my daughter went to the NICU because the doctor didn't believe my water broke, didn't check it and she got an infection because of it. Nothing I did/didn't do. And an incompetent cervix has nothing to do with diet, it's how my body works.

People don't need a lot of things, and I guarantee everyone has items on that list. It's easy to say X,Y and Z and get smug over it.

I don't drink alcohol, don't smoke pot, work around my kids so I can be home and with them all the time and there's worse things then smoking a cig here and there and drinking coffee I could do.

As to the anti depressants, if they help me cope then it doesn't hurt anyone but me. It's not a cure all, but it beats not having them, which I tried.
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 Quoting: scorpio66


oh. my. gosh.

blink.

nope, still there.

wow, i can't believe you just said to her!
 Quoting: SewDucky


The rest of the statement doesn't mean anything. Not the fact that I walked out of the hospital 12 hours later, was in good enough shape people didn't believe I gave birth and was in the same clothes I wore before I got pregnant.

Both my OBGYNs hated the fact I am in better health then the majority of their patients. My son came home 2 days after birth, and my daughter went to the NICU because the doctor didn't believe my water broke, didn't check it and she got an infection because of it. Nothing I did/didn't do. And an incompetent cervix has nothing to do with diet, it's how my body works.

People don't need a lot of things, and I guarantee everyone has items on that list. It's easy to say X,Y and Z and get smug over it.

I don't drink alcohol, don't smoke pot, work around my kids so I can be home and with them all the time and there's worse things then smoking a cig here and there and drinking coffee I could do.

As to the anti depressants, if they help me cope then it doesn't hurt anyone but me. It's not a cure all, but it beats not having them, which I tried.


I actually feel bad for you. In all honesty, no sarcasm. But I think if you would have had more support, and I mean true support, you would have probably made different choices. I am glad your health is good. But don't think its guaranteed to stay that way forever. Change your way now that you're still healthy and hopefully it will be in time for it not to catch up with you.
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I don't drink alcohol, don't smoke pot, work around my kids so I can be home and with them all the time and there's worse things then smoking a cig here and there and drinking coffee I could do.

 Quoting: SewDucky


Just a slight aside from my particular obscession....the endocannabinoid system is so intriguing:

[link to www.salem-news.com]

"I believe that those bottles of formula, given from birth, were major part of the problem. Our bodies make chemicals called "endocannabinoids" that are closely related to THC and cannabidiol (CBD). Endocannabinoids control many bodily functions and are excreted into breast milk. When lactating female rabbits were injected with CBD, a non-psychoactive, plant-derived cannabinoid, there was "a significant accumulation of the drug in milk." [1]

Endocannabinoids are also detected in human and cow's milk, with the highest levels occurring the day after giving birth. This healthy dose of naturally-occurring endocannabinoids stimulates the suckling reflex in newborn mammals, including humans[2].

When newborn mice are given a chemical to block the effect between endocannabinoids and their CB receptors, the mice simply don't know how to eat. Yet, if the blocking agent is mixed with an equivalent amount of THC, the mice eat and grow normally[3]."

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 Quoting: scorpio66


oh. my. gosh.

blink.

nope, still there.

wow, i can't believe you just said to her!
 Quoting: SewDucky


The rest of the statement doesn't mean anything. Not the fact that I walked out of the hospital 12 hours later, was in good enough shape people didn't believe I gave birth and was in the same clothes I wore before I got pregnant.

Both my OBGYNs hated the fact I am in better health then the majority of their patients. My son came home 2 days after birth, and my daughter went to the NICU because the doctor didn't believe my water broke, didn't check it and she got an infection because of it. Nothing I did/didn't do. And an incompetent cervix has nothing to do with diet, it's how my body works.

People don't need a lot of things, and I guarantee everyone has items on that list. It's easy to say X,Y and Z and get smug over it.

I don't drink alcohol, don't smoke pot, work around my kids so I can be home and with them all the time and there's worse things then smoking a cig here and there and drinking coffee I could do.

As to the anti depressants, if they help me cope then it doesn't hurt anyone but me. It's not a cure all, but it beats not having them, which I tried.


You are proud that it was easy to deliver a preemie? I was on my feet hours after delivering a full term nine pounder naturally. Childbirth is safe and natural. Its not a niracle we are up and walking after.

If you quit smoking and drinking coffee you would not need anxiety meds. You could probably get off anti-depressants.

Your children are exposed to cigarette smoke and nicotine oil on your hands, skin, hair and clothes. Quit for them. They have a chance to escape all the beurotic health problems you seem to have. Smoking IS associated with premature delivery. Don't waste your time on guilt--just get healthy now. You will find it worth the effort. (I know quitting caffeine and nicotine is challenging but it can be done).
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Re: did you give your baby FORMULA instead of your breast milk
I was circumcised, likely the cause for my failure to 'latch.'

After that point, I had:
-Jaundice postnatally
-Pneumonia at 2
-A constant 'CFS' like illness which had me in and out of doctors between ages 5 and 10, plus constant ear infections, strep, etc.
-Pneumonia at 13, in August no less
-A chronic sinus infection for the next 10 years.


During college, as I learned more about biology, I learned to listen to my body, and work with, rather than against my internal bacteria. It took a long time to 'recover' from my childhood, and see how healthy I could be.
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Here's a great unknown thing. Goats milk is produced without hormones. It's milk protien is small and very similar to human breast milk. It is a little higher in sodium. In other areas, it is comparable to human breast milk. The only thing with goats milk is that if you use it exclusively then just add a little bit of water, if you use it along with breast milk, no worries.

The amish use goats milk to feed their children. Before comericially manufactured baby formulas, goats milk was used.
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When I had my oldest I was young and Breastfeeding benefits may have been known but there weren't as many advocates for it as there is now. He was born early and sick. I tried so hard to breast feed him, I wanted to! While still in the hospital I noticed he couldn't breathe while nursing. They did all sorts of tests and came back to tell me he wouldn't be able to nurse due to a deviated septum. I pumped as long as I could to give him breast milk but I couldn't keep up with his appetite. He is now almost 12 and very healthy.

My daughter nursed for a little while, I got very sick and suffered a migraine headache for 2 days, still trying to nurse but my milk dried up. I tried to get it back with supplements, nursing and pumping but it never did. I had to give her formula. She is now almost 5 and very healthy

My youngest, born with neural tube defects stayed in the NICU for almost a month before he could come home, I pumped and took the milk to the NICU, they also supplemented with formula when I couldn't produce enough (pumping with some women just doesn't produce milk like a baby nursing). I nursed him for a long time (months) supplementing with maybe 4oz of formula a day. He had horrible bowel movements with breast milk, the pediatrician told me to stop and put him on formula, I knew he was my last and I wanted so badly to nurse, so against Dr orders I continued to nurse and change my diet to try and get his bowels regulated. I failed and it was causing him to have serious issues so I finally had to give in to giving him formula.

I wanted nothing more than to have that bonding with my child, I wanted to nurse my children, nourish them from my own breast, provide for them in the way I was intended to. When people like you say what you say it really stings a little bit. I am so glad you were able to nurse your child but please don't bash women that can't. I agree that the women that CHOOSE not to are making the wrong decision, but it IS their decision.
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