SCOTUS case Texas V. White or why states can't secede

"Texas v. White" won't matter two hoots.

As I've mentioned elsewhere, that was a victor's ruling and had it been handed down during the actual war (an impossible situation, and not germane to the details of the case, but this requires a stretch...) it would have held no weight.

TEXAS certainly considered themselves to have left the Union. This post-Civil War rewriting of history to achieve a political and monetary gain really has no bearing on our present reality.

The argument that "Texas can't secede because the Supreme Court in 1869 said they couldn't (nor could any other state)" would devolve to that of 12 dead men vs. an active and angry state. It is a pointless argument. It is like arguing with the weather.

Besides, a very valid argument can be made that "Texas v. White" is contrary to both the spirit and the letter of the text of the Declaration of Independence.

If Obama (or anyone, really) holds up and waves a copy of "Texas v. White", and Texas holds up and waves back with the Declaration of Independence, which do you think is the more important, more powerful document?

The innate rights of a self-governing people say "Texas v. White", as a practicality, is hogwash.

Also, if you want to get prickly about it, "Texas v. White" was about a claim made by the post-war, Federally-imposed Reconstruction government of Texas regarding some US bonds owned by Texas, therefore their additional holding - based merely upon accepting original jurisdiction - that the Constitution did not permit states to unilaterally secede could easily be revisited as having been an abuse of due process committed by an activist court, and had really nothing to do with the merits of the case.

In other words, having just won a bloody and brutal war, and wanting to prevent a relapse, it looks like the court took an unrelated but available opportunity to unilaterally impose their will, and in effect legislate from the bench.

I certainly don't blame them for having that mindset, and I'm quite glad the Union won the civil war. But bad case law is bad case law, and even if it was ROCK SOLID it would not matter in the least if secession efforts get strongly underway.

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[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) was a significant case argued before the United States Supreme Court in 1869.[1] The case involved a claim by the Reconstruction government of Texas that United States bonds owned by Texas since 1850 had been illegally sold by the Confederate state legislature during the American Civil War. The state filed suit directly with the United States Supreme Court, which, under the United States Constitution, retains original jurisdiction on cases in which a state is a party.

In accepting original jurisdiction, the court ruled that Texas had remained a state ever since it first joined the Union, despite its joining the Confederate States of America and its being under military rule at the time of the decision in the case. In deciding the merits of the bond issue, the court further held that the Constitution did not permit states to unilaterally secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null".


IMO they still got the right to secede... but they gonna have to fight for it...

In the nuclear age, they could secede and tell Washington DC to not move or Washington DC will be turned to glass.

Texas was an independent country from 1836 to 1845. They were the only state who joined the union through a treaty instead of annexation.

Nowhere in the Texas constitution does it say that Texas can't change it's mind and break the treaty.

There is one clause in the Texas constitution that states "Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States".

NOT to the President of the US or even the Congress of the US.

And since the US Constitution doesn't really say anything about states seceding, I don't even know why they would have to petition the US government to allow them to do so.

I think you all should check out the following charts....by far RED states receiving more federal dollars than they contribute way out weigh BLUE states....

[link to thecentristword.files.wordpress.com]

just sayin

One observation I do have is this:

States wanting to secede are doing so because they wish to live by the US Constitution. With that said, why do they have to secede? Why not boot out the blue states that want their socialist system? It could be argued that the blue states have already seceded & are trying to force their agenda down the throats of the rest of the country.

At a tournament last weekend,

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) was a significant case argued before the United States Supreme Court in 1869.[1] The case involved a claim by the Reconstruction government of Texas that United States bonds owned by Texas since 1850 had been illegally sold by the Confederate state legislature during the American Civil War. The state filed suit directly with the United States Supreme Court, which, under the United States Constitution, retains original jurisdiction on cases in which a state is a party.

In accepting original jurisdiction, the court ruled that Texas had remained a state ever since it first joined the Union, despite its joining the Confederate States of America and its being under military rule at the time of the decision in the case. In deciding the merits of the bond issue, the court further held that the Constitution did not permit states to unilaterally secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null".


IMO they still got the right to secede... but they gonna have to fight for it...

In the nuclear age, they could secede and tell Washington DC to not move or Washington DC will be turned to glass.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) was a significant case argued before the United States Supreme Court in 1869.[1] The case involved a claim by the Reconstruction government of Texas that United States bonds owned by Texas since 1850 had been illegally sold by the Confederate state legislature during the American Civil War. The state filed suit directly with the United States Supreme Court, which, under the United States Constitution, retains original jurisdiction on cases in which a state is a party.

In accepting original jurisdiction, the court ruled that Texas had remained a state ever since it first joined the Union, despite its joining the Confederate States of America and its being under military rule at the time of the decision in the case. In deciding the merits of the bond issue, the court further held that the Constitution did not permit states to unilaterally secede from the United States, and that the ordinances of secession, and all the acts of the legislatures within seceding states intended to give effect to such ordinances, were "absolutely null".


IMO they still got the right to secede... but they gonna have to fight for it...

In the nuclear age, they could secede and tell Washington DC to not move or Washington DC will be turned to glass.

I think you all should check out the following charts....by far RED states receiving more federal dollars than they contribute way out weigh BLUE states....

[link to thecentristword.files.wordpress.com]

just sayin

they already have over 100,000 names
on those petitions combined in 24 hrs

how much unilaterally do you need ??

Amen.

You should have been born here Janie... on behalf of Texas, the State that digs smart, badass ninja chicks, I'm awarding you honorary and permanent Native Texan status effective immediately.



Stop at the first DPS station you come to once over the border and show this post to the duty officer. Once quizzed and cleared (protip: cement is pronounced 'see-mint') you can pick up your complementary sidearm and sausage gravy recipe at the desk if you're not already strapped... welcome to Texas!

did you win ??

there seems to be a lot of desperation for texas and others NOT to secede


its the same shit people spin to try dissuade britain from dumping the eu

I think a majority of states would be required to
dissolve the Union.

Amen.

You should have been born here Janie... on behalf of Texas, the State that digs smart, badass ninja chicks, I'm awarding you honorary and permanent Native Texan status effective immediately.



Stop at the first DPS station you come to once over the border and show this post to the duty officer. Once quizzed and cleared (protip: cement is pronounced 'see-mint') you can pick up your complementary sidearm and sausage gravy recipe at the desk if you're not already strapped... welcome to Texas!

You roflmonkeys are cArazy!

Just imagine what will happen within 3 seconds of ALL FEDERAL MONEY ceasing to enter Texas....

social security, welfare, infinite subsidies, lingering disaster help, etc., etc.,

You'd have a meltdown and demands to re-enter the Union before you could say funny money.

The states and most of the people are 100% dependent on Federal cash to survive. Period.

You roflmonkeys are cArazy!

Just imagine what will happen within 3 seconds of ALL FEDERAL MONEY ceasing to enter Texas....

social security, welfare, infinite subsidies, lingering disaster help, etc., etc.,

You'd have a meltdown and demands to re-enter the Union before you could say funny money.

The states and most of the people are 100% dependent on Federal cash to survive. Period.