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Bro-in law divorcing my sister because she voted Obama! Obamacare could shut him down :(

 
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First of all thank God they don't have kids.

My sister has always been an entitled sort of person, learned that from our parents. They spoiled us. I had the sense to figure out the real world isn't like that.

She married a really good guy who owns a machine shop. He employs 57 people including office staff. He has made plans for a "what if" in case Obama was re-elected, he was pulling for Romney. Obama won and now he's at plan B, and he will have to let 8 people go before the end of the year to avoid the new Obamacare fines/taxes since his employees don't have insurance.

Now before you hate on this man, understand that after paying all his employees, expenses, taxes, maintenance, and upkeep/new equipment he clears about $140,000 per year. Some years more, some less. In the last 10 years he says his actual pay/salary fluctuated between $80K and $190K depending on contracts and business.

The cost of insuring his employees would be about $350,000 for a minimum basic plan. That would put him in the red even before himself taking a salary. He would have to close shop. If he paid the $2500 per employee fine that kicks in for employers with 50 or more employees, he would pay a fine/tax of $110,000. Meaning his expected take home salary/profit would be anywhere from a net loss of $30K to a positive salary of only $80K - the latter only if he has a banner year.

He is unwilling to take a chance with his own livelihood and gas already informed his employees of the coming cuts - two office personnel, and six machinists. They are upset but they understand his reasoning. Even the handful of Obama supporters at his shop seemed to suddenly "get it" o cw the reality hit them, that they could lose THEIR job because of Obamacare.

Which brings me to my sister.

My bro-in-law has had conversations with me, and with her, about how Obamacare will quite literally hurt his business and/or his ability to grow the company. He found out that she voted for Obama when he overheard her talking to a friend about the election. At first he was nonchalant about it, and asked her why and she told him "well it's good that he wants to help people".

After stewing over it a few days, he changed the locks while she was at work and put her stuff in a Uhaul truck. When she got home he had already had an attorney file divorce papers and since they had a pre-nup, she gets nothing.

I am having a hard time because I can't really blame him, but I love my sister. Although I cannot understand for the life of me why she would vote in a way that was so contrary to her personal interests.

Not sure what to think.
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lol

And a pre-nup so she gets nothing? Don't she have a job??
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Your brother-in-law sounds like a great man.

Here's hoping he starts hitting the town and gets himself some new young arm candy.
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And yeah, people don't know how much it's gonna hurt businesses...

A LOT... AND I MEAN A LOT of businesses are gonna close shop in 2013...


IMO unemployment will be at least 10%+ officially (unless they cook the numbers really hard) at the end of 2013.
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Mom and Dad will let you be rebellious to their ideals and still be there for you.

Husband... well in this case it seems no.
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good for him
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She has a job, she does hair/manicures but she pretty much took that up for the social part of it. She only makes about $30K a year herself and pretty much was happy to live off her husband. That's why I can't understand why she voted in a manner that would hurt her husband's business, even if her one vote didn't affect the outcome. By the way, he's not the kind if guy to demand she do anything. He's angry because he knew that SHE knew how Obamacare would hurt the company, which would not only hurt him and her, but his workers. He's really upset about having to cut people, but he has no choice.
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Seems to me she is well shed of him.
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seems to me HE is well shed of her
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Your brother-in-law sounds like a great man.

Here's hoping he starts hitting the town and gets himself some new young arm candy.
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Seems to me like she doesn't fully understand the ramifications of Obamacare. A lot of people I know don't, even after I explain it to them. Its one of those things where your brain just doesn't process the fact that America could fail. I've talked with my girlfriend many times about this entire situation and she still says everything will workout, its gonna be fine honey dont worry. Its quite sad that so many people have no idea what they really voted for.
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Dumbest reason to ever get a divorce lol

Fool!
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LOL at your made up story.

The time for your lies was before Election Day..

What Republicon think tank is paying you to shill here liar?
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First of all thank God they don't have kids.

My sister has always been an entitled sort of person, learned that from our parents. They spoiled us. I had the sense to figure out the real world isn't like that.

She married a really good guy who owns a machine shop. He employs 57 people including office staff. He has made plans for a "what if" in case Obama was re-elected, he was pulling for Romney. Obama won and now he's at plan B, and he will have to let 8 people go before the end of the year to avoid the new Obamacare fines/taxes since his employees don't have insurance.

Now before you hate on this man, understand that after paying all his employees, expenses, taxes, maintenance, and upkeep/new equipment he clears about $140,000 per year. Some years more, some less. In the last 10 years he says his actual pay/salary fluctuated between $80K and $190K depending on contracts and business.

The cost of insuring his employees would be about $350,000 for a minimum basic plan. That would put him in the red even before himself taking a salary. He would have to close shop. If he paid the $2500 per employee fine that kicks in for employers with 50 or more employees, he would pay a fine/tax of $110,000. Meaning his expected take home salary/profit would be anywhere from a net loss of $30K to a positive salary of only $80K - the latter only if he has a banner year.

He is unwilling to take a chance with his own livelihood and gas already informed his employees of the coming cuts - two office personnel, and six machinists. They are upset but they understand his reasoning. Even the handful of Obama supporters at his shop seemed to suddenly "get it" o cw the reality hit them, that they could lose THEIR job because of Obamacare.

Which brings me to my sister.

My bro-in-law has had conversations with me, and with her, about how Obamacare will quite literally hurt his business and/or his ability to grow the company. He found out that she voted for Obama when he overheard her talking to a friend about the election. At first he was nonchalant about it, and asked her why and she told him "well it's good that he wants to help people".

After stewing over it a few days, he changed the locks while she was at work and put her stuff in a Uhaul truck. When she got home he had already had an attorney file divorce papers and since they had a pre-nup, she gets nothing.

I am having a hard time because I can't really blame him, but I love my sister. Although I cannot understand for the life of me why she would vote in a way that was so contrary to her personal interests.

Not sure what to think.
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You had your answer when you said the word "she".
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Re: Bro-in law divorcing my sister because she voted Obama! Obamacare could shut him down :(
First of all thank God they don't have kids.

My sister has always been an entitled sort of person, learned that from our parents. They spoiled us. I had the sense to figure out the real world isn't like that.

She married a really good guy who owns a machine shop. He employs 57 people including office staff. He has made plans for a "what if" in case Obama was re-elected, he was pulling for Romney. Obama won and now he's at plan B, and he will have to let 8 people go before the end of the year to avoid the new Obamacare fines/taxes since his employees don't have insurance.

Now before you hate on this man, understand that after paying all his employees, expenses, taxes, maintenance, and upkeep/new equipment he clears about $140,000 per year. Some years more, some less. In the last 10 years he says his actual pay/salary fluctuated between $80K and $190K depending on contracts and business.

The cost of insuring his employees would be about $350,000 for a minimum basic plan. That would put him in the red even before himself taking a salary. He would have to close shop. If he paid the $2500 per employee fine that kicks in for employers with 50 or more employees, he would pay a fine/tax of $110,000. Meaning his expected take home salary/profit would be anywhere from a net loss of $30K to a positive salary of only $80K - the latter only if he has a banner year.

He is unwilling to take a chance with his own livelihood and gas already informed his employees of the coming cuts - two office personnel, and six machinists. They are upset but they understand his reasoning. Even the handful of Obama supporters at his shop seemed to suddenly "get it" o cw the reality hit them, that they could lose THEIR job because of Obamacare.

Which brings me to my sister.

My bro-in-law has had conversations with me, and with her, about how Obamacare will quite literally hurt his business and/or his ability to grow the company. He found out that she voted for Obama when he overheard her talking to a friend about the election. At first he was nonchalant about it, and asked her why and she told him "well it's good that he wants to help people".

After stewing over it a few days, he changed the locks while she was at work and put her stuff in a Uhaul truck. When she got home he had already had an attorney file divorce papers and since they had a pre-nup, she gets nothing.

I am having a hard time because I can't really blame him, but I love my sister. Although I cannot understand for the life of me why she would vote in a way that was so contrary to her personal interests.

Not sure what to think.
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You had your answer when you said the word "she".
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Definition of a modern liberal ("progressive")

"Someone able to hold two opposing viewpoints simultaneously, with no apparent conflict"
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Smart move on his part. She was told before voting that Obamcare would hurt him and his employees and yet she ignored it. If my husband deliberately and knowingly voted to harm a business I had spent years building up I would conclude (rightly)that he didn't care about me. Why stay married to someone who obviously doesn't care about you.
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Mom and Dad will let you be rebellious to their ideals and still be there for you.

Husband... well in this case it seems no.
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I've known PLENTY of mother and fathers who are not "there for" their adult children who live antithetical to their values.
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She has a job, she does hair/manicures but she pretty much took that up for the social part of it. She only makes about $30K a year herself and pretty much was happy to live off her husband. That's why I can't understand why she voted in a manner that would hurt her husband's business, even if her one vote didn't affect the outcome. By the way, he's not the kind if guy to demand she do anything. He's angry because he knew that SHE knew how Obamacare would hurt the company, which would not only hurt him and her, but his workers. He's really upset about having to cut people, but he has no choice.
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Hat's off to this man.

Your sister is a selfish... well... You know.

But fret not. Most women are.
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My guess is that your bro-in-law had other vexxing issues with your sister.
This must have been the "last straw".

If not, then he was tremendously angry at her.
Thats a real power move.

In marriage, being betrayed can change everything.

Is you sister a dumbelle? You know, very superficial and fluffy-brained?

I gotta wonder why she did that..
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First of all thank God they don't have kids.

My sister has always been an entitled sort of person, learned that from our parents. They spoiled us. I had the sense to figure out the real world isn't like that.

She married a really good guy who owns a machine shop. He employs 57 people including office staff. He has made plans for a "what if" in case Obama was re-elected, he was pulling for Romney. Obama won and now he's at plan B, and he will have to let 8 people go before the end of the year to avoid the new Obamacare fines/taxes since his employees don't have insurance.

Now before you hate on this man, understand that after paying all his employees, expenses, taxes, maintenance, and upkeep/new equipment he clears about $140,000 per year. Some years more, some less. In the last 10 years he says his actual pay/salary fluctuated between $80K and $190K depending on contracts and business.

The cost of insuring his employees would be about $350,000 for a minimum basic plan. That would put him in the red even before himself taking a salary. He would have to close shop. If he paid the $2500 per employee fine that kicks in for employers with 50 or more employees, he would pay a fine/tax of $110,000. Meaning his expected take home salary/profit would be anywhere from a net loss of $30K to a positive salary of only $80K - the latter only if he has a banner year.

He is unwilling to take a chance with his own livelihood and gas already informed his employees of the coming cuts - two office personnel, and six machinists. They are upset but they understand his reasoning. Even the handful of Obama supporters at his shop seemed to suddenly "get it" o cw the reality hit them, that they could lose THEIR job because of Obamacare.

Which brings me to my sister.

My bro-in-law has had conversations with me, and with her, about how Obamacare will quite literally hurt his business and/or his ability to grow the company. He found out that she voted for Obama when he overheard her talking to a friend about the election. At first he was nonchalant about it, and asked her why and she told him "well it's good that he wants to help people".

After stewing over it a few days, he changed the locks while she was at work and put her stuff in a Uhaul truck. When she got home he had already had an attorney file divorce papers and since they had a pre-nup, she gets nothing.

I am having a hard time because I can't really blame him, but I love my sister. Although I cannot understand for the life of me why she would vote in a way that was so contrary to her personal interests.

Not sure what to think.
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gotta love it when the strict 'family values' neo cons are now divorcing their partners over political views.You could cut the hyporcrisy with a knife.
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I understand the brother in law could be mad about something like that, but divorce because of just that? Had to be something else too brewing and muddying up their marriage..
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I'd divorce anybody voting for o. They just would not be compatible. This is not some, "Oh, come on, honey" issue.
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small business owners should start with firing obama voters, and she was no exception.
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Seems to me she is well shed of him.
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Ahh yes... The world renowned libtard "logic".
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Dumbest reason to ever get a divorce lol

Fool!
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Are you kidding?

Your wife demonstrates that she doesn't give a rat's ass about something that is VERY harmful to you?

Funny that you are calling others "fool".
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OP, WHAT is he going to do when a client comes in and wants a big job done, and he CAN'T DO IT, because he doesn't HAVE and won't hire enough employees?? THEN word gets around that he's refusing jobs. AND screwing his employees.

He WILL end up going out of business anyway, OR take a BIG cut in 'his share' of the business (profit, OR lack of profit).

So OBVIOUSLY your Brother is a BAD businessman, and doesn't DESERVE to own and run a business of this scale, and should go back to working out of his garage.



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He should divorce her. Sounds like shes an idiot, but for him marrying an idiot he is an idiot.
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small business owners should start with firing obama voters, and she was no exception.
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Whoo boy neo cons are such sore losers this time around.
First firing people for having different political opinions and now even talk of splitting from the union again.
I will personally smack the next neo con in real life in the face that I hear talk about how right wingers are so much more mature and civil that liberals.
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The difference is hard to comprehend for you, but easily explained.

Conservatives usually put their money where their mouth is. Liberals take somebody else's money and put it into their own mouth.
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Your brother-in-law is a smart man.

Since election day hundreds of employees have been let go due to obamacare. That's just the very beginning.
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now thats what I call a MAN!

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