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Are we in the tribulation right now?
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Are we in the tribulation right now?
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yes
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no, I am the biggest bible expert there is. Tribulation starts next weekend. We are not in it yet.
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Are we in the tribulation right now?
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no
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who is we?
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if you're asking about the tribulation, you'd be better served asking for psychiatric help. seriously
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Yes,

The 3rd seal of Revelation was broken in the fall of 2008 during the finance crisis. This seal will continue to the fall of 2015 when people are working a day for a loaf of bread (7 year famine).

Then in the fall of 2015, the 4th seal will be broken and 1/4 of the Earth's surface area will be destroyed.

It is hard to believe but inflation will continue its course until a quart of wheat (enough for a loaf of bread) will cost a day's pay throughout most of the Earth. Then the "WAR" will start.


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Are we in the tribulation right now?
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Good Question,it sure looks like we are.But NO wer are defo not,but as soon as The "Two Holy Witnesses" come as mentioned in Revelation chapter11,verse3-14 = The Two Witnesses

11 Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. 2 But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles. And they will tread the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. 3 And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.”

4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner. 6 These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire.

The Witnesses Killed

7 When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. 8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. 9 Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. 10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.

The Witnesses Resurrected

11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. 13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.

14 The second woe is past. Behold, the third woe is coming quickly......................................................​..........................................................
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When The Two Holy Witnesses arrive the 7 yr tribulation will start,this is why in verse 10 (above) it says ""10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth........................................................​..........................................................
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if u are wondering if u will see These Two Holy people,YES YOU WILL thats why They are here for 1,260 days,cause They have to preach the good news to the whole world,just as Jesus said in Matthew chapter24,verse14 = " 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
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i could go on and on but that will do for now
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No. It begins with the signing or confirmation or enactment of a treaty between Israel and "many", by a global leader who will be hailed as a great peacemaker. No matter what else is going on in the world, the Tribulation cannot begin before this point. This will be further confirmed when the leader violates the treaty half-way through its 7-year duration, and declares himself God while sitting in the rebuilt Jewish temple.
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Are we in the tribulation right now?
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No God will take the saved to heaven first and then it will begin.
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Are we in the tribulation right now?
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No God will take the saved to heaven first and then it will begin.
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Nope.
"The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title."

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Are we in the tribulation right now?
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No God will take the saved to heaven first and then it will begin.
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Is there any possibility that the saved might be gone already and we simply did not miss them-except to notice increased chaos?

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Are we in the tribulation right now?
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No God will take the saved to heaven first and then it will begin.
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Nope.
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Yes, Read your Bible There are signs Of his coming very soon be prepared don't be left behind.
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Very close.
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No. It begins with the signing or confirmation or enactment of a treaty between Israel and "many", by a global leader who will be hailed as a great peacemaker. No matter what else is going on in the world, the Tribulation cannot begin before this point. This will be further confirmed when the leader violates the treaty half-way through its 7-year duration, and declares himself God while sitting in the rebuilt Jewish temple.
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no no no,i was told that but d Bible tells us different,‘abomination of desolation only rules for 42 months,read my other comment above
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OP, some say yes and some say no.

I don't think there is anyway for us to know for sure if it's started yet because it's based on interpretation.

You ask Christians in Africa if it's started, and they will all say yes because for them over there, it's been going on for a while with the mass killings of Christians.

Ask Christians in communist China, and they will say yes because for them, everyday is tribulation as they are underground with their churches.

Ask Christians in Muslim countries, and they will say yes, as their christian children are beheaded for going to school.

Ask Christians in the USA, Canada and Europe, and many will say no, because we haven't experienced the horrors of being persecuted for the faith.....yet.

So, in my opinion, and that's all it is, an opinion ......is that if it hasn't already started, it will be starting soon.
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Are we in the tribulation right now?
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No God will take the saved to heaven first and then it will begin.
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Nope.
 Quoting: Face Palmer


Yes, Read your Bible There are signs Of his coming very soon be prepared don't be left behind.
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Nope. Its a man made concept. No rapture. Ever.
"The world will soon wake up to the reality that everyone is broke and can collect nothing from the bankrupt, who are owed unlimited amounts by the insolvent, who are attempting to make late payments on a bank holiday in the wrong country, with an unacceptable currency, against defaulted collateral, of which nobody is sure who holds title."

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It's hard to say. The first four seals have to do with suffering that man brings on himself through war and it's consequences. This is followed by the wrath of the beast, which is followed by the wrath of God.
We won't know if it's the tribulation until the Antichrist is made known to us. He will make a 7 year peace treaty with Israel. He will break the treaty after 3 1/2 years, which begins the "great" tribulation.
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There will be no sign but the sign of Jonah
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No. It begins with the signing or confirmation or enactment of a treaty between Israel and "many", by a global leader who will be hailed as a great peacemaker. No matter what else is going on in the world, the Tribulation cannot begin before this point. This will be further confirmed when the leader violates the treaty half-way through its 7-year duration, and declares himself God while sitting in the rebuilt Jewish temple.
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no no no,i was told that but d Bible tells us different,‘abomination of desolation only rules for 42 months,read my other comment above
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Yes yes yes. There is a SEVEN-year prophecy left, per Daniel, and this is what the Revelation explains in detail. The Beast rules for the second half you refer to, but this MUST be preceded by the first half, which is when the judgments begin.

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No the tribulation that is supposed to exist just before the return. Even the 1st four trumps are not considered to be 'tribulation' but they would be enough that after 1 trump per day on the 4th day martial law would be the rule for the whole world so that is the condition we get to before the 'bad things happen'. Specifically the 5th and 6th trumps are called woes number 1 and 2 and 1 takes 5 months to unfold and the the next one takes up the remainder of a total of 42 months (1260 days). The 7th trump is also called a woe but it is the destruction of the ones causing problems in the previous 2 woes.

Re.8:13
And I beheld,
and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven,
saying with a loud voice,
Woe,
woe,
woe,
to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels,
which are yet to sound!

BTW Daniel's 70 weeks all expired as a single block of time so the 7 year trib is a false teaching and the reality is 1/3 of mankind will survive the 3rd woe so that is the Church that survives alive, anybody else who die up to that point gets resurrected
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no no no,i was told that but d Bible tells us different,‘abomination of desolation only rules for 42 months,read my other comment above

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That abomination is having a throne standing on holy ground in Jerusalem. Satan lets the Beast from the Pit out (sound of the 5th trump)and that begins the 42 months. That is the same Beast who kills the two witnesses and in the 3 1/2 days that follow the 'image of Re:13 can be set up so the verse below can unfold. The Beast could not install a throne as long as the 2 witnesses are alive and since the Beast's destruction comes on the same afternoon of the day the 2 witnesses are resurrected. If the Beast's 42 months is over on the day the 2 are resurrected then the start of the 2 witnesses was 3 1/2 days before the Beast started his time. That puts the witnesses in place 4 days before the 5th trump sounds and if some need protection from the 4 previous trumps then it is the witnesses who supply that protection because they are the only two that will have Moses like powers during the trumps.

Da.11:31
And arms shall stand on his part,
and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength,
and shall take away the daily sacrifice,
and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

M't:24:15:
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
stand in the holy place,
(whoso readeth,
let him understand:)

2Th:2:4:
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,
or that is worshipped;
so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God,
shewing himself that he is God.
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Good luck finding an expert on fiction.
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There will be no sign but the sign of Jonah
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It does say there will be signs, the one you mention is the one that completed the bruise to the heel prophecies and in this period of time (time of the Gentiles) no proof of God will be found because faith is based on words in a book. Just in case anybody was wondering why no proof of God can be found. The Bible allows a person to add some 'odds' to the 'equation'.
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Good luck finding an expert on fiction.
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If you didn't go over it yourself how do you know it is fiction? Perhaps you read it wrong.
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no, I am the biggest bible expert there is. Tribulation starts next weekend. We are not in it yet.
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Are we in the tribulation right now?
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No God will take the saved to heaven first and then it will begin.
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Only the evil people will be torn from the earth. Proverbs 2:22
"but the wicked will be cut off from the land, and the treacherous will be rooted out of it."

The Rapture is wrong. Made up by people that really don't know what the Bible says!

Proverbs 2:22 contradicts The Rapture.

Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

I would not be involved in wars and military actions!
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Study with Jehovah's Witnesses----they are the experts!
Especially those in Bible Study for years!

They know their stuff!

They are hated due to their knowledge.
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No the tribulation that is supposed to exist just before the return. Even the 1st four trumps are not considered to be 'tribulation' but they would be enough that after 1 trump per day on the 4th day martial law would be the rule for the whole world so that is the condition we get to before the 'bad things happen'. Specifically the 5th and 6th trumps are called woes number 1 and 2 and 1 takes 5 months to unfold and the the next one takes up the remainder of a total of 42 months (1260 days). The 7th trump is also called a woe but it is the destruction of the ones causing problems in the previous 2 woes.

Re.8:13
And I beheld,
and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven,
saying with a loud voice,
Woe,
woe,
woe,
to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels,
which are yet to sound!

BTW Daniel's 70 weeks all expired as a single block of time so the 7 year trib is a false teaching and the reality is 1/3 of mankind will survive the 3rd woe so that is the Church that survives alive, anybody else who die up to that point gets resurrected
 Quoting: MHz
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Revelation 6:12-17 12 I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13 and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14 The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. 15 Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16 They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us[f] from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of their[g] wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”

Revelation 7:1-17 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” 4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,

from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,

from the tribe of Gad 12,000,

6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,

from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,

from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,

7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,

from the tribe of Levi 12,000,

from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,

8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,

from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,

from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

The Great Multitude in White Robes

9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10 And they cried out in a loud voice:

“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”
11 All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying:

“Amen!
Praise and glory
and wisdom and thanks and honor
and power and strength
be to our God for ever and ever.
Amen!”
13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”

14 I answered, “Sir, you know.”

And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore,

“they are before the throne of God
and serve him day and night in his temple;
and he who sits on the throne
will shelter them with his presence.
16 ‘Never again will they hunger;
never again will they thirst.
The sun will not beat down on them,’[a]
nor any scorching heat.
17 For the Lamb at the center of the throne
will be their shepherd;
‘he will lead them to springs of living water.’
‘And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’[c]”
The raising up of the multitude is concurrent with the sealing of the 144,000. When the worldwide quake/calamities take place and the winds stop, look out. The opening of the sixth seal is a precursor to the taking of the bride.
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Study with Jehovah's Witnesses----they are the experts!
Especially those in Bible Study for years!

They know their stuff!

They are hated due to their knowledge.
Rich preachers hate them!
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They think Jesus Christ is an angle.