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copied and pasted from KJV biblegateway.com
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Not sure what the verses were supposed to show but the seals are not events, they are prophecies of events that Revelation will cover in greater detail, just like the metal statue in Daniel 2 was covered in detail in later chapters. The vision in Daniel held no events by itself, otherb than the vision, that is the same with the seals in Revelation. The rider of the white horse is God and riding means the start of the past events. The bow is not 'useless' you just don't see what is there, hidden from casual sight.

Isa.49:2
And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword;
in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me,
and made me a polished shaft;
in his quiver hath he hid me;

In Re.7 144,000 are sealed for protection, what is not usually included is the 2nd group mentioned and unknown number of Gentiles who have gone through 'great tribulation. Tribulation is the first 2 woes, great tribulation is the 7 vials and 1,000 years in hell. Before any trumps sounds the sealed ones are protected, no one other than the 144,000 will be alive at the end of the 2nd woe, all others from the 12 Tribes will be resurrected to life, for Gentiles 1/3 survive the judgment of the 3rd woe which is all 7 vials in the same afternoon. The 2/3 that die are the ones that experience great tribulation and the scene where they are waving palms is from the GWT aftyer the 1,000 years is over so Re.7 is about the order of salvation, the first are the 144,000 and the last are the ones that appear before God at the Great White Throne event.

The 'rapture' happens as fire from God is sending Satan and all the fallen angels to the fiery lake, the verse below is the ones that were alive on the earth for the whole 1,000 years (static population) are the ones in the verse below (everybody else has the 'breath of life' they had is in Heaven since they died.

Isa.51:6
Lift up your eyes to the heavens,
and look upon the earth beneath:
for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke,
and the earth shall wax old like a garment,
and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner:
but my salvation shall be for ever,
and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

Ec.3:20
All go unto one place;
all are of the dust,
and all turn to dust again.
Ec.12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

M't.24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light,
and the stars shall fall from heaven,
and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

M't:24:21:
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time,
no,
nor ever shall be.

Re.16:18
And there were voices,
and thunders,
and lightnings;
and there was a great earthquake,
such as was not since men were upon the earth,

so mighty an earthquake,
and so great.
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They think Jesus Christ is an angle.
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He can appear as one, being the Son of God has it's benefits.

Re.22:6
And he said unto me,
These sayings are faithful and true:
and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
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11/12/2012 09:51 AM
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copied and pasted from KJV biblegateway.com
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way

Not sure what the verses were supposed to show but the seals are not events, they are prophecies of events that Revelation will cover in greater detail, just like the metal statue in Daniel 2 was covered in detail in later chapters. The vision in Daniel held no events by itself, otherb than the vision, that is the same with the seals in Revelation. The rider of the white horse is God and riding means the start of the past events. The bow is not 'useless' you just don't see what is there, hidden from casual sight.

Isa.49:2
And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword;
in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me,
and made me a polished shaft;
in his quiver hath he hid me;

In Re.7 144,000 are sealed for protection, what is not usually included is the 2nd group mentioned and unknown number of Gentiles who have gone through 'great tribulation. Tribulation is the first 2 woes, great tribulation is the 7 vials and 1,000 years in hell. Before any trumps sounds the sealed ones are protected, no one other than the 144,000 will be alive at the end of the 2nd woe, all others from the 12 Tribes will be resurrected to life, for Gentiles 1/3 survive the judgment of the 3rd woe which is all 7 vials in the same afternoon. The 2/3 that die are the ones that experience great tribulation and the scene where they are waving palms is from the GWT aftyer the 1,000 years is over so Re.7 is about the order of salvation, the first are the 144,000 and the last are the ones that appear before God at the Great White Throne event.

The 'rapture' happens as fire from God is sending Satan and all the fallen angels to the fiery lake, the verse below is the ones that were alive on the earth for the whole 1,000 years (static population) are the ones in the verse below (everybody else has the 'breath of life' they had is in Heaven since they died.

Isa.51:6
Lift up your eyes to the heavens,
and look upon the earth beneath:
for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke,
and the earth shall wax old like a garment,
and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner:
but my salvation shall be for ever,
and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

Ec.3:20
All go unto one place;
all are of the dust,
and all turn to dust again.
Ec.12:7
Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:
and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

M't.24:29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light,
and the stars shall fall from heaven,
and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

M't:24:21:
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time,
no,
nor ever shall be.

Re.16:18
And there were voices,
and thunders,
and lightnings;
and there was a great earthquake,
such as was not since men were upon the earth,

so mighty an earthquake,
and so great.
 Quoting: MHz


As surely as everything else has been fulfilled by the word in this plane of existence culminating with our Savior living, dying, and being resurrected in a flesh vessel to liberate us, then also shall this be. If flesh was not of some importance to God, then the days would not be shortened and flesh have the prospect to be saved for the elect's sake.
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11/12/2012 09:53 AM
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God is close to coming.
:spyda:
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God is close to coming.
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They are already here. The Kingdom and its acceptance starts from within. Embrace it. Christ said he is always with you. All days become liberation when you ask for a Book of life name, and a place in the Kingdom plus thank God in advance.
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Hello World!
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11/12/2012 10:07 AM
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no, we are on the brink of it thought.
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no, we are on the brink of it thought.
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Lord's Prayer. "Thy Kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven." What did Christ say when two prayed in his name? How many billions of times has this simple prayer be offered up? When would it start being answered? Be careful what you pray for.
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11/12/2012 10:21 AM
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The Great Tribulation is a past event. Happened in 70AD. Jesus said " this generation shall not pass away til all these things be fulfilled." Every reference to this generation in the NT has to do with the present generation of Jesus' day and not 2000 plus years later. The problem is that Christians don't know church history. The great trib is a local event occurred in Jerusalem.
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The Great Tribulation is a past event. Happened in 70AD. Jesus said " this generation shall not pass away til all these things be fulfilled." Every reference to this generation in the NT has to do with the present generation of Jesus' day and not 2000 plus years later. The problem is that Christians don't know church history. The great trib is a local event occurred in Jerusalem.
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Umm no! 1948 marks the beginning of the end. The great tribulation is a worldwide event as told all over scripture.
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They think Jesus Christ is an angle.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27125285

He can appear as one, being the Son of God has it's benefits.

Re.22:6
And he said unto me,
These sayings are faithful and true:
and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.
 Quoting: MHz


Sure He can.
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The Great Tribulation is a past event. Happened in 70AD. Jesus said " this generation shall not pass away til all these things be fulfilled." Every reference to this generation in the NT has to do with the present generation of Jesus' day and not 2000 plus years later.
 Quoting: mrsnacks 10616946

I'll admit some verses from Luke 21:20 do exist that point directly to the events of 70AD but before and after those verses are words that say it is not a final event, if anything it is the prophecy from De.4:30 unfolding and that leaves much to be fulfilled in the fulfillment of the bruise to the head verses.


Lu.21:11
And great earthquakes shall be in divers places,
and famines,
and pestilences;
and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
Lu.21:12
But before all these,
they shall lay their hands on you,

and persecute you,
delivering you up to the synagogues,
and into prisons,
being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

Lu.21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword,
and shall be led away captive into all nations:
and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles,
until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Lu.21:25
And there shall be signs in the sun,
and in the moon,
and in the stars;
and upon the earth distress of nations,
with perplexity;
the sea and the waves roaring;

The time of the Gentiles is picked up again in Re.11 when there are 42 months left before the return. The 12 verses I left out are details about what the Apostles experienced.

The two witnesses that are activated are responsible for keeping the 144,000 safe (as well as some Gentiles that will have a certain number on the day of return) Since they and Satan occupy the same time-frame with a 4 day offset it would seem their main duty is to keep Jerusalem out of Satan's hands until the last 4 days of the Beast's 42 months.