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Extreme weather preceded collapse of Maya civilization
An extended drought between A.D. 1020 and 1100 that likely corresponded with crop failures, death, famine, migration and, ultimately, the collapse of the Maya population.

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Re: Extreme weather preceded collapse of Maya civilization
May be proof that climate change ends civilizations.
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May be proof that climate change ends civilizations.
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And creates them
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Re: Extreme weather preceded collapse of Maya civilization
how do you know that the article isn't written as a pro climate change psy-op?

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Re: Extreme weather preceded collapse of Maya civilization
i've heard this before.

drought forced them to abandon their cities
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May be proof that climate change ends civilizations.
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its a fact
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May be proof that climate change ends civilizations.
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its a fact
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Wouldn't an intelligent civilization just move to a more thriving environment?
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May be proof that climate change ends civilizations.
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its a fact
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Wouldn't an intelligent civilization just move to a more thriving environment?
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or adapt to their new environment
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Re: Extreme weather preceded collapse of Maya civilization
May be proof that climate change ends civilizations.
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its a fact
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Wouldn't an intelligent civilization just move to a more thriving environment?
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or adapt to their new environment
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You can't adapt to a drought.

No water = strife.
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its a fact
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Wouldn't an intelligent civilization just move to a more thriving environment?
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or adapt to their new environment
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You can't adapt to a drought.

No water = strife.
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yeah, a huge civilization couldnt handle it obviously but some people make it work. people live in the desert right? all of the mayans werent wiped out but their numbers reduced greatly.
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Wouldn't an intelligent civilization just move to a more thriving environment?
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or adapt to their new environment
 Quoting: Oyster


You can't adapt to a drought.

No water = strife.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


yeah, a huge civilization couldnt handle it obviously but some people make it work. people live in the desert right? all of the mayans werent wiped out but their numbers reduced greatly.
 Quoting: Oyster


Right.

Me thinks that they KNEW the ancient wisdom of death = life.

Not life = death like we think now.

They likely embraced their death.
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Re: Extreme weather preceded collapse of Maya civilization
The Shang Dynasty and the Mycenean Empire also
came to a collapse in 1100 A.D.

Global weather anamolies pushed these civilizations to the edge
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Re: Extreme weather preceded collapse of Maya civilization
The Shang Dynasty and the Mycenean Empire also
came to a collapse in 1100 A.D.

Global weather anamolies pushed these civilizations to the edge
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ohyeah
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Re: Extreme weather preceded collapse of Maya civilization
i've heard this before.

drought forced them to abandon their cities
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I thought they went mad from polluting their own drinking water. The story I understood was that the runoff from all the human sacrifices tainted the water supply.
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i've heard this before.

drought forced them to abandon their cities
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I thought they went mad from polluting their own drinking water. The story I understood was that the runoff from all the human sacrifices tainted the water supply.
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now this i havent heard. do you have a source i could check out?
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Re: Extreme weather preceded collapse of Maya civilization
An extended drought between A.D. 1020 and 1100 that likely corresponded with crop failures, death, famine, migration and, ultimately, the collapse of the Maya population.

[link to news.ucdavis.edu]
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Let's not forget the spaniards.
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Re: Extreme weather preceded collapse of Maya civilization
An extended drought between A.D. 1020 and 1100 that likely corresponded with crop failures, death, famine, migration and, ultimately, the collapse of the Maya population.

[link to news.ucdavis.edu]
 Quoting: Witch King


Let's not forget the spaniards.
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spaniards took out what was left (mostly disease). but when they got here there were vast cities left abandoned and the mayans who remained lived in small groups away from the cities.
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Re: Extreme weather preceded collapse of Maya civilization
An extended drought between A.D. 1020 and 1100 that likely corresponded with crop failures, death, famine, migration and, ultimately, the collapse of the Maya population.

[link to news.ucdavis.edu]
 Quoting: Witch King


Let's not forget the spaniards.
 Quoting: GoldenRuled


spaniards took out what was left (mostly disease). but when they got here there were vast cities left abandoned and the mayans who remained lived in small groups away from the cities.
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SHHHH...The white man loves to take credit for destroying things.
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Re: Extreme weather preceded collapse of Maya civilization
The Bush family bought up fresh water in South America. That's confirmation enough for me.
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Re: Extreme weather preceded collapse of Maya civilization
May be proof that climate change ends civilizations.
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.... brought about by the arrogance of mankind in his destruction of the planet. The Mayans brought about their own ends by routinely cutting down huge trees for their bonfires which were used for human sacrifice. They also just as routinely sacrificed all of their 'first fruits' - virgins - both male and female, including innocent children. It's also interesting to note that they were one of the original creators of SPORTS; however, their 'sports' always ended in blood and death, for the losers.

There's a saying ... "When the Mayans return, the end is not far off." Or something to that extent. Yes, we are now in end times, yes the Mayans have returned, in the form of Latinos (Mexicans) who are the children of these Mayans, and yes our civilization aka 'mankind' has begun its own demise by the foolish destruction of our own planet. So don't look for 'climate change' that ends civilization - we should all just look to ourselves to see the destruction we have ALL wrought against nature in one way or another; we are all guilty of crimes against the earth - our only habitat - which now begins to close.

Should we earnestly begin to resist harming the earth so that we can all live and continue to prosper, very hard measures would have to be met. FOSSIL FUELS, one of the greatest forms of damage to our planet which leeches out the blood of the earth in the form of oil, should stop if the earth is to continue; the manufacture and use of PLASTIC BAGS, STYROFOAM CUPS, and other unnatural materials which cannot deteriorate in a natural manner, should also be discontinued, even though it would mean that companies would go bankrupt and others might lose their jobs. What is a job, though, when there is no planet which to sustain you?! And those jobs could be created in another form. NUCLEAR FISSION should likewise be discontinued, and the old standards of supporting electricity be enacted.

The list is too long to include in just a small space, but I'm sure that most people would get it. We human beings are so arrogant in thinking that we are all there is, that we are at the top of the food chain, and that nothing else matters but what we want. We are blind to the realization that ALL are connected on this planet: people, animals, vegetable, mineral, the oceans, the trees, plants and land, and what effects one effects the whole. If we are to survive and return our earth to a healthy state, we must all see this and begin to work together. We must put aside our petty squabbles and desist in 'class' and race wars so that we can pull together to save our only livable space, our natural habitat, the earth. Save the earth! Save the babies of the earth, the innocent animals!

Blessings to all who understand and support my statement! Thank you for reading my post. hf
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Re: Extreme weather preceded collapse of Maya civilization
Interesting. We have a good drought coming over the next few years as well. Last summer was only the first of several bad harvests to come.
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there never was a flourishing Mayan civilization or Rome or ancient Egypt...millions and millions of human remains of the general populations and the 10's of millions of personal daily artifacts just dont disappear...the lack of enough physical evidence proves the ruins were ruins to begin with and the human remains found were props with the staged sets...the old lie of "they only preserved the rulers is bullshit to make people forget about the general population burial sites and the artifacts that dont exist...the lack of enough physical evidence proves histories were written for the sets and props...even Hollywood to make a movie come alive uses sets,props,actors and scripts...there's a reason someone once said> "if we tell the lies loud enough and long enough the people will believe the lies are true"...lack of physical evidence does not lie compared to the so-called time frames those past civilizations were supposed to -FLOURISHING-...initiate the music khristof> welcome to the grand illusion..
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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there never was a flourishing Mayan civilization or Rome or ancient Egypt...millions and millions of human remains of the general populations and the 10's of millions of personal daily artifacts just dont disappear...the lack of enough physical evidence proves the ruins were ruins to begin with and the human remains found were props with the staged sets...the old lie of "they only preserved the rulers is bullshit to make people forget about the general population burial sites and the artifacts that dont exist...the lack of enough physical evidence proves histories were written for the sets and props...even Hollywood to make a movie come alive uses sets,props,actors and scripts...there's a reason someone once said> "if we tell the lies loud enough and long enough the people will believe the lies are true"...lack of physical evidence does not lie compared to the so-called time frames those past civilizations were supposed to -FLOURISHING-...initiate the music khristof> welcome to the grand illusion..
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i find your theory very hard to believe in terms of structures.
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...dont me fooled by the radio(frequencies),the TV(brain entrainment) or the magazines(subliminal messages)...the lies are bigger than you think..
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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there never was a flourishing Mayan civilization or Rome or ancient Egypt...millions and millions of human remains of the general populations and the 10's of millions of personal daily artifacts just dont disappear...the lack of enough physical evidence proves the ruins were ruins to begin with and the human remains found were props with the staged sets...the old lie of "they only preserved the rulers is bullshit to make people forget about the general population burial sites and the artifacts that dont exist...the lack of enough physical evidence proves histories were written for the sets and props...even Hollywood to make a movie come alive uses sets,props,actors and scripts...there's a reason someone once said> "if we tell the lies loud enough and long enough the people will believe the lies are true"...lack of physical evidence does not lie compared to the so-called time frames those past civilizations were supposed to -FLOURISHING-...initiate the music khristof> welcome to the grand illusion..
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


i find your theory very hard to believe in terms of structures.
 Quoting: Oyster
...what theory?...cant you critically think? where are the burial sites for the so called ancient civilizations that would have had millions and millions of humans and dont forget the industries it took to feed and cloth those millions and millions of the general populations...where's all that missing evidence? the lack of enough physical evidence shows history is a staged lie...anyone can see that if they take into account the general population,the industries and their artifacts that are missing... that which we have been told of the so called ancient civilizations stinks to high heaven...kenniwick man bones were supposed to be 10,000 years old,if his bones can survive then a 100 million other bones can survive too...the lies are catching up with the liars...they didn't cover their tracks very well...

Last Edited by T Ceti H.C. Radnarg on 11/12/2012 12:11 PM
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Re: Extreme weather preceded collapse of Maya civilization
May be proof that climate change ends civilizations.
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.... brought about by the arrogance of mankind in his destruction of the planet. The Mayans brought about their own ends by routinely cutting down huge trees for their bonfires which were used for human sacrifice. They also just as routinely sacrificed all of their 'first fruits' - virgins - both male and female, including innocent children. It's also interesting to note that they were one of the original creators of SPORTS; however, their 'sports' always ended in blood and death, for the losers.

There's a saying ... "When the Mayans return, the end is not far off." Or something to that extent. Yes, we are now in end times, yes the Mayans have returned, in the form of Latinos (Mexicans) who are the children of these Mayans, and yes our civilization aka 'mankind' has begun its own demise by the foolish destruction of our own planet. So don't look for 'climate change' that ends civilization - we should all just look to ourselves to see the destruction we have ALL wrought against nature in one way or another; we are all guilty of crimes against the earth - our only habitat - which now begins to close.

Should we earnestly begin to resist harming the earth so that we can all live and continue to prosper, very hard measures would have to be met. FOSSIL FUELS, one of the greatest forms of damage to our planet which leeches out the blood of the earth in the form of oil, should stop if the earth is to continue; the manufacture and use of PLASTIC BAGS, STYROFOAM CUPS, and other unnatural materials which cannot deteriorate in a natural manner, should also be discontinued, even though it would mean that companies would go bankrupt and others might lose their jobs. What is a job, though, when there is no planet which to sustain you?! And those jobs could be created in another form. NUCLEAR FISSION should likewise be discontinued, and the old standards of supporting electricity be enacted.

The list is too long to include in just a small space, but I'm sure that most people would get it. We human beings are so arrogant in thinking that we are all there is, that we are at the top of the food chain, and that nothing else matters but what we want. We are blind to the realization that ALL are connected on this planet: people, animals, vegetable, mineral, the oceans, the trees, plants and land, and what effects one effects the whole. If we are to survive and return our earth to a healthy state, we must all see this and begin to work together. We must put aside our petty squabbles and desist in 'class' and race wars so that we can pull together to save our only livable space, our natural habitat, the earth. Save the earth! Save the babies of the earth, the innocent animals!

Blessings to all who understand and support my statement! Thank you for reading my post. hf
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Shouls also mention that the Artic Gyre is plugged with Garbage. The circulation system for our oceans is plugged with garbage hundreds of miles long and wide. A virtual vortex of plastic that is grinding itself up into Nano Particles and getting into every form of life in the Oceans.

Humans should never have shit in their own backyards. Shit thats a whole other Subject. The treatred waste world wide and untreated shit that ends up in all the water supplies around the world is staggering. Mother Nature needs to reset her clock and wipe out the parasites that cover her body. US !
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Re: Extreme weather preceded collapse of Maya civilization
May be proof that climate change ends civilizations.
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its a fact
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Wouldn't an intelligent civilization just move to a more thriving environment?
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Oh ya, they could have just hopped into the Family Minivan, gassed up and drove. LOL.

It's a LONG WALK and major issue to relocate a Civilization up to 1000's of miles on a whim of bad weather.
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And a spanish flu?
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there never was a flourishing Mayan civilization or Rome or ancient Egypt...millions and millions of human remains of the general populations and the 10's of millions of personal daily artifacts just dont disappear...the lack of enough physical evidence proves the ruins were ruins to begin with and the human remains found were props with the staged sets...the old lie of "they only preserved the rulers is bullshit to make people forget about the general population burial sites and the artifacts that dont exist...the lack of enough physical evidence proves histories were written for the sets and props...even Hollywood to make a movie come alive uses sets,props,actors and scripts...there's a reason someone once said> "if we tell the lies loud enough and long enough the people will believe the lies are true"...lack of physical evidence does not lie compared to the so-called time frames those past civilizations were supposed to -FLOURISHING-...initiate the music khristof> welcome to the grand illusion..
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


i find your theory very hard to believe in terms of structures.
 Quoting: Oyster
...what theory?...cant you critically think? where are the burial sites for the so called ancient civilizations that would have had millions and millions of humans and dont forget the industries it took to feed and cloth those millions and millions of the general populations...where's all that missing evidence? the lack of enough physical evidence shows history is a staged lie...anyone can see that if they take into account the general population,the industries and their artifacts that are missing... that which we have been told of the so called ancient civilizations stinks to high heaven...kenniwick man bones were supposed to be 10,000 years old,if his bones can survive then a 100 million other bones can survive too...the lies are catching up with the liars...they didn't cover their tracks very well...
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


well...it is a theory, you have to admit that. there are several very good threads that are in line with you ideas and i find them all to be very interesting.

critical thinking:

i totally subscribe to the idea of alternate histories against what we've been taught....burial sites being an indicator. HOWEVER, you have to remember that 90% of people live and lived near the coast and much of ancient culure is now underwater. also, i wouldnt expect to find much ancient clothing.....throw a t-shirt out in you yard, leave it for a couple of years and see what happens to it....it doesnt last. there were no "industries" to feed and clothe people, people made their own materials and fed themselves for the most part. most of what we find is made of stone (structures) and clay because the products last thousands of years.

in the times of kenniwich man there was only 1,000,000 to 10,000,000 people alive so your estimates are way too high. plus it is not like we have dug up the entire earth and found a supreme lack of population. earth is a big place, there is much much more to be discovered.
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Re: Extreme weather preceded collapse of Maya civilization
May be proof that climate change ends civilizations.
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its a fact
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Wouldn't an intelligent civilization just move to a more thriving environment?
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they didn't have the wheel
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there never was a flourishing Mayan civilization or Rome or ancient Egypt...millions and millions of human remains of the general populations and the 10's of millions of personal daily artifacts just dont disappear...the lack of enough physical evidence proves the ruins were ruins to begin with and the human remains found were props with the staged sets...the old lie of "they only preserved the rulers is bullshit to make people forget about the general population burial sites and the artifacts that dont exist...the lack of enough physical evidence proves histories were written for the sets and props...even Hollywood to make a movie come alive uses sets,props,actors and scripts...there's a reason someone once said> "if we tell the lies loud enough and long enough the people will believe the lies are true"...lack of physical evidence does not lie compared to the so-called time frames those past civilizations were supposed to -FLOURISHING-...initiate the music khristof> welcome to the grand illusion..
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


i find your theory very hard to believe in terms of structures.
 Quoting: Oyster
...what theory?...cant you critically think? where are the burial sites for the so called ancient civilizations that would have had millions and millions of humans and dont forget the industries it took to feed and cloth those millions and millions of the general populations...where's all that missing evidence? the lack of enough physical evidence shows history is a staged lie...anyone can see that if they take into account the general population,the industries and their artifacts that are missing... that which we have been told of the so called ancient civilizations stinks to high heaven...kenniwick man bones were supposed to be 10,000 years old,if his bones can survive then a 100 million other bones can survive too...the lies are catching up with the liars...they didn't cover their tracks very well...
 Quoting: T Ceti H.C. Radnarg


well...it is a theory, you have to admit that. there are several very good threads that are in line with you ideas and i find them all to be very interesting.

critical thinking:

i totally subscribe to the idea of alternate histories against what we've been taught....burial sites being an indicator. HOWEVER, you have to remember that 90% of people live and lived near the coast and much of ancient culure is now underwater. also, i wouldnt expect to find much ancient clothing.....throw a t-shirt out in you yard, leave it for a couple of years and see what happens to it....it doesnt last. there were no "industries" to feed and clothe people, people made their own materials and fed themselves for the most part. most of what we find is made of stone (structures) and clay because the products last thousands of years.

in the times of kenniwich man there was only 1,000,000 to 10,000,000 people alive so your estimates are way too high. plus it is not like we have dug up the entire earth and found a supreme lack of population. earth is a big place, there is much much more to be discovered.
 Quoting: Oyster
...the secret is in this "bible" verse> there's nothing new under the sun ,it was here in another time,built by men who wont be remembered...<that's subliminal brain entrainment written to cause the reader to forget the men who staged the ruins and the props...there are artifacts such as textiles and those things that are supposed to rot away found..if a few survived,then all of them should have survived..whats good for the goose is good for the gander...
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...

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