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BREAKING: Indiana Explosion has been Identified!!! Must Read!!

 
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Oh, I guess the menthane bubble just happened to sink through those houses fucking foundation????? This thing is far from being solved,Mao please don't call it like it is especially considering your proof is someone p's conjecture from another glp thread....
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I guess Radon doesn't come thru the foundation either then huh?
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It comes in through cracks and pipe openings!
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2 houses destroyed, methane pocket emerging from underneath was exploded as it emerged in and around the foundations and blown by drone.
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Okay, I am not trying to fight anyone on this. So please, do not tell me I am a shill....I am just trying to educate some of you on the characteristics of natural gas, then maybe you can come to a conclusion that you are more comfortable with.

I happen to work with natural gas, have been for the last 15 years. I have worked with it from the well-head to your stoves. There are a few things brought up on here that are pretty much not true or unanswered so here goes....

1. Natural Gas is considered odorless. But in reality the constituents in the gas give off an aroma that you can smell. This coupled with lube oil from compressors used to boost pressure also gives it a unique smell. So in short, you will smell a gas leak from a transmission line (which are not required to add odorant). Once gas is bought by a distribution comany, the gas is treated with an odorant, typically methal mercaptan. This is what gives it that "sulfur" smell. You will definitely be able to smell it, and more importantly, no what it is at this point.

2. Natural Gas is lighter than air. It has a specific gravity of approximately .6. Propane on the other hand is somewhere around 1.5. It is heavier than air. This is why it tends to "hover" if you have a propane leak. Natural Gas on the other hand needs a barrier to be kept at ground level, such as a house. Follow me? Gas can accumulate in a house to the point it is explosive. Which is approximately 5% to 15% volume in air. Once this mixture is reached....BOOM! Get it?


3. How would gas accumulate in the house? Esecially if the gas company experts deemed there were no leaks in the area? Let me give you a scenario. One day Harry K. Gas is out doing a leak check on his pipeline. Harry picks up some gas out in the middle of a field. "Oh shit" says Harry. "I have to expose this line to find this leak and fix it". So Harry starts digging to the east and finds no more gas. Harry then starts to dig to the west and picks up gas again. He now knows he is going in the right direction. Harry digs for an additional 600 ft. before he finds the source of the leak. Any takers on why? It's because gas will follow the path of least resistance. If the ditch it was laid in is solidly against the pipe, it will go straight up through the ground. However, if the ditch has shrunk due to DRY CONDITIONS, then it will migrate thru the ditch line until it finds a way out. Sometimes this way out is straight through someones foundation, yes foundation, where the natural gas line was ran. So it is easy to see that it COULD have made its way there. And the gas company experts could be reporting no leaks because there are no leaks where they are looking. Okay?

4. Well what about the smell, someone would have smelled it, right? Absolutely. This is distribution, and mercaptan is required. But if you look closely at some of those pictures, that house was for sale and vacant. No one can smell it if no one is there. So it is possible for the gas to have accumulated to the LEL (Lower Explosive Limit) and ignited. The only thing left would be an ignition source. This is where I have the problem determining what made it go boom (if this is what caused it). My best guess is that whomever was selling the house kept some utilities on so pipes wouldn't freeze, to ensure the furnace stayed on, etc. So if it was a natural gas furnace, the pilot remains lit. BOOM! If it was electric heat/air, the motor kicked on, BOOM! Natural gas water heater, BOOM! you get the point. Nobody has to be present to ignite the gas. Hell, if someone would have came along and rang the door bell, BOOM! If someone would have called the house, BOOM! Get the picture? A lot of ways to make gas go BOOM. As a matter of fact, at the gas plant we cannot have cell phones, cameras, anything electronic that is not intrinsically safe, or in short, not capable of producing enough current to ignite the gas. The saving grace is that there is a small window of the gas-air mixture required to burn. But once there, it is easy to ignite.


5.In case you are wondering about the power of natural gas, picture how much force is applied to a piston on a natural gas engine. The explosion that is accomplished has enough energy to propel a 4,000 lb. vehicle with relative ease, and you are telling me that it cannot take out a house made out of wood? Let's do a little math. If you apply 1 psi of a gas to a 10X10 wall, what is the applied pressure on that wall? Some might think 1 psi. But remember what psi stands for? Pounds per Square Inch. So you are actually exertiing 14,400 pounds of force on that wall (typical gas explosion exerts roughly 300 psi). I think that would take care of any kind wall made nowdays, and coninue on to the next, and the next, and the next, etc. The heat of combustion in Natural Gas is 10 times the amount of TNT. Think on that one a minute.


Long story short, yes, this could have been caused by natural gas. And yes, natural gas IS POWERFUL enough to take out a whole damn city block. Do I know for sure that natural gas was the cause? No. But I don't want anybody to underestimate the power of natural gas and the potential dangers of it. In fact this hit pretty close to home, literally. I urge everyone who has natural gas or propane to get a hydrocarbon detector installed in their home. Mount it down low for propane, and up high for natural gas. And make damn sure you have a carbon monoxide detector as well.

Rmember to stay safe out there people!




peace
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10718365



Great post, but my only question is if it was gas, and that's "where the gas escaped" as you mentioned in point 3, why would there not be a long string of explosions underground until the explosion reached the source? Or at least smaller explosions rather than just the one large explosion as common with gas leaks INSIDE a home? Surely, the gas wouldn't ignite and not ignite nearby gas (the gas from the line leading back to the source
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Man, now there is a good question. Someone on here is actually thinking about it.

Remember the LEL? The mixture HAS to be correct for it to burn. If there is not enough gas, no fire. Too much, same thing. As a maater of fact, we do a lot of "hot-work" in the pipeline business. We either determine an atmosphere is safe to work in by A) No gas or B) Too much gas.

Think of your car engine. I am sure you have heard of the term "flooded" right? What happens when it is flooded? You get pissed off that your car will not start because it has gotten too much gas in tha carb. Same applies to natural gas, and propane, and diesel, and on and on. If you do not have the right mixture, you will not have a fire.

This is where gas transmission and higher pressure is much safer (from an explosive standpoint) to work with. The LEL is much harder to obtain, because the gas is at too much pressure and velocity to accumulate. The biggest dangers in transmission pipelines are pig traps and tanks, where pressure is low and gas can accumulate easier. Make sense?
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So if there is too much gas, an explosion wont occur? Then how could you ever get an explosion of that magnitude? I've seen the pictures, and those of other houses. This one seems to be much more "fiery" for lack of a better adjective. The majority of other explosions I've seen just all appeared to be a result of an expansion of pressure, not really much of an explosion per se.

I understand the basics, but I still don't understand how if the explosion was as big as it was, it didn't cause at least ONE minor explosion as the fireball trailed through the gas flow as it hit a more concentrated (or less concentrated, as you said too much gas is no-reaction)pocket of gas.
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I got ya. Hard to picture. Remember the gas probably accumulated slowly, and accumulation is the key word. It would take some time for it to fill the house to a combustible mixture. So the volume would be there. And don't forget the calcs on the pressure/explosion. Doesn't take a huge amount. The "more fiery" effect you mention was probably the houses burning. Theyr burn very hot.

Also, the gas was shut off shortly by the gas company. I know that for sure, heard it on the scanner.

Look, I'm not trying to say I'm right, just that it is possible for natural gas to do this. I'm on the road right now, but when I get home, I'll try to dig up some videos similar to this. Or you can google it and find some similar events.
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Okay, I am not trying to fight anyone on this. So please, do not tell me I am a shill....I am just trying to educate some of you on the characteristics of natural gas, then maybe you can come to a conclusion that you are more comfortable with.

I happen to work with natural gas, have been for the last 15 years. I have worked with it from the well-head to your stoves. There are a few things brought up on here that are pretty much not true or unanswered so here goes....

1. Natural Gas is considered odorless. But in reality the constituents in the gas give off an aroma that you can smell. This coupled with lube oil from compressors used to boost pressure also gives it a unique smell. So in short, you will smell a gas leak from a transmission line (which are not required to add odorant). Once gas is bought by a distribution comany, the gas is treated with an odorant, typically methal mercaptan. This is what gives it that "sulfur" smell. You will definitely be able to smell it, and more importantly, no what it is at this point.

2. Natural Gas is lighter than air. It has a specific gravity of approximately .6. Propane on the other hand is somewhere around 1.5. It is heavier than air. This is why it tends to "hover" if you have a propane leak. Natural Gas on the other hand needs a barrier to be kept at ground level, such as a house. Follow me? Gas can accumulate in a house to the point it is explosive. Which is approximately 5% to 15% volume in air. Once this mixture is reached....BOOM! Get it?


3. How would gas accumulate in the house? Esecially if the gas company experts deemed there were no leaks in the area? Let me give you a scenario. One day Harry K. Gas is out doing a leak check on his pipeline. Harry picks up some gas out in the middle of a field. "Oh shit" says Harry. "I have to expose this line to find this leak and fix it". So Harry starts digging to the east and finds no more gas. Harry then starts to dig to the west and picks up gas again. He now knows he is going in the right direction. Harry digs for an additional 600 ft. before he finds the source of the leak. Any takers on why? It's because gas will follow the path of least resistance. If the ditch it was laid in is solidly against the pipe, it will go straight up through the ground. However, if the ditch has shrunk due to DRY CONDITIONS, then it will migrate thru the ditch line until it finds a way out. Sometimes this way out is straight through someones foundation, yes foundation, where the natural gas line was ran. So it is easy to see that it COULD have made its way there. And the gas company experts could be reporting no leaks because there are no leaks where they are looking. Okay?

4. Well what about the smell, someone would have smelled it, right? Absolutely. This is distribution, and mercaptan is required. But if you look closely at some of those pictures, that house was for sale and vacant. No one can smell it if no one is there. So it is possible for the gas to have accumulated to the LEL (Lower Explosive Limit) and ignited. The only thing left would be an ignition source. This is where I have the problem determining what made it go boom (if this is what caused it). My best guess is that whomever was selling the house kept some utilities on so pipes wouldn't freeze, to ensure the furnace stayed on, etc. So if it was a natural gas furnace, the pilot remains lit. BOOM! If it was electric heat/air, the motor kicked on, BOOM! Natural gas water heater, BOOM! you get the point. Nobody has to be present to ignite the gas. Hell, if someone would have came along and rang the door bell, BOOM! If someone would have called the house, BOOM! Get the picture? A lot of ways to make gas go BOOM. As a matter of fact, at the gas plant we cannot have cell phones, cameras, anything electronic that is not intrinsically safe, or in short, not capable of producing enough current to ignite the gas. The saving grace is that there is a small window of the gas-air mixture required to burn. But once there, it is easy to ignite.


5.In case you are wondering about the power of natural gas, picture how much force is applied to a piston on a natural gas engine. The explosion that is accomplished has enough energy to propel a 4,000 lb. vehicle with relative ease, and you are telling me that it cannot take out a house made out of wood? Let's do a little math. If you apply 1 psi of a gas to a 10X10 wall, what is the applied pressure on that wall? Some might think 1 psi. But remember what psi stands for? Pounds per Square Inch. So you are actually exertiing 14,400 pounds of force on that wall (typical gas explosion exerts roughly 300 psi). I think that would take care of any kind wall made nowdays, and coninue on to the next, and the next, and the next, etc. The heat of combustion in Natural Gas is 10 times the amount of TNT. Think on that one a minute.


Long story short, yes, this could have been caused by natural gas. And yes, natural gas IS POWERFUL enough to take out a whole damn city block. Do I know for sure that natural gas was the cause? No. But I don't want anybody to underestimate the power of natural gas and the potential dangers of it. In fact this hit pretty close to home, literally. I urge everyone who has natural gas or propane to get a hydrocarbon detector installed in their home. Mount it down low for propane, and up high for natural gas. And make damn sure you have a carbon monoxide detector as well.

Remember to stay safe out there people!

peace
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Outstanding post. Well written, informative and straightforward. The sort of rare adult contribution that makes coming to GLP worthwhile.

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Oh, WOW!

The Associated Press reports the owner of the house that blew up says a faulty furnace may be to blame. Also, the NTSB has joined the search for the cause of the explosion.

However, at a news conference Monday afternoon, a spokesperson for Citizens Energy said the utility never received a call about a faulty furnace from the home in question.

[link to www.wthr.com]
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damn, that is one in like 200 examples of lies lies lies. cover up.
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Okay, I am not trying to fight anyone on this. So please, do not tell me I am a shill....I am just trying to educate some of you on the characteristics of natural gas, then maybe you can come to a conclusion that you are more comfortable with.

I happen to work with natural gas, have been for the last 15 years. I have worked with it from the well-head to your stoves. There are a few things brought up on here that are pretty much not true or unanswered so here goes....

1. Natural Gas is considered odorless. But in reality the constituents in the gas give off an aroma that you can smell. This coupled with lube oil from compressors used to boost pressure also gives it a unique smell. So in short, you will smell a gas leak from a transmission line (which are not required to add odorant). Once gas is bought by a distribution comany, the gas is treated with an odorant, typically methal mercaptan. This is what gives it that "sulfur" smell. You will definitely be able to smell it, and more importantly, no what it is at this point.

2. Natural Gas is lighter than air. It has a specific gravity of approximately .6. Propane on the other hand is somewhere around 1.5. It is heavier than air. This is why it tends to "hover" if you have a propane leak. Natural Gas on the other hand needs a barrier to be kept at ground level, such as a house. Follow me? Gas can accumulate in a house to the point it is explosive. Which is approximately 5% to 15% volume in air. Once this mixture is reached....BOOM! Get it?


3. How would gas accumulate in the house? Esecially if the gas company experts deemed there were no leaks in the area? Let me give you a scenario. One day Harry K. Gas is out doing a leak check on his pipeline. Harry picks up some gas out in the middle of a field. "Oh shit" says Harry. "I have to expose this line to find this leak and fix it". So Harry starts digging to the east and finds no more gas. Harry then starts to dig to the west and picks up gas again. He now knows he is going in the right direction. Harry digs for an additional 600 ft. before he finds the source of the leak. Any takers on why? It's because gas will follow the path of least resistance. If the ditch it was laid in is solidly against the pipe, it will go straight up through the ground. However, if the ditch has shrunk due to DRY CONDITIONS, then it will migrate thru the ditch line until it finds a way out. Sometimes this way out is straight through someones foundation, yes foundation, where the natural gas line was ran. So it is easy to see that it COULD have made its way there. And the gas company experts could be reporting no leaks because there are no leaks where they are looking. Okay?

4. Well what about the smell, someone would have smelled it, right? Absolutely. This is distribution, and mercaptan is required. But if you look closely at some of those pictures, that house was for sale and vacant. No one can smell it if no one is there. So it is possible for the gas to have accumulated to the LEL (Lower Explosive Limit) and ignited. The only thing left would be an ignition source. This is where I have the problem determining what made it go boom (if this is what caused it). My best guess is that whomever was selling the house kept some utilities on so pipes wouldn't freeze, to ensure the furnace stayed on, etc. So if it was a natural gas furnace, the pilot remains lit. BOOM! If it was electric heat/air, the motor kicked on, BOOM! Natural gas water heater, BOOM! you get the point. Nobody has to be present to ignite the gas. Hell, if someone would have came along and rang the door bell, BOOM! If someone would have called the house, BOOM! Get the picture? A lot of ways to make gas go BOOM. As a matter of fact, at the gas plant we cannot have cell phones, cameras, anything electronic that is not intrinsically safe, or in short, not capable of producing enough current to ignite the gas. The saving grace is that there is a small window of the gas-air mixture required to burn. But once there, it is easy to ignite.


5.In case you are wondering about the power of natural gas, picture how much force is applied to a piston on a natural gas engine. The explosion that is accomplished has enough energy to propel a 4,000 lb. vehicle with relative ease, and you are telling me that it cannot take out a house made out of wood? Let's do a little math. If you apply 1 psi of a gas to a 10X10 wall, what is the applied pressure on that wall? Some might think 1 psi. But remember what psi stands for? Pounds per Square Inch. So you are actually exertiing 14,400 pounds of force on that wall (typical gas explosion exerts roughly 300 psi). I think that would take care of any kind wall made nowdays, and coninue on to the next, and the next, and the next, etc. The heat of combustion in Natural Gas is 10 times the amount of TNT. Think on that one a minute.


Long story short, yes, this could have been caused by natural gas. And yes, natural gas IS POWERFUL enough to take out a whole damn city block. Do I know for sure that natural gas was the cause? No. But I don't want anybody to underestimate the power of natural gas and the potential dangers of it. In fact this hit pretty close to home, literally. I urge everyone who has natural gas or propane to get a hydrocarbon detector installed in their home. Mount it down low for propane, and up high for natural gas. And make damn sure you have a carbon monoxide detector as well.

Remember to stay safe out there people!

peace
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Outstanding post. Well written, informative and straightforward. The sort of rare adult contribution that makes coming to GLP worthwhile.

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Thanks man! I appreciate the feedback!
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Okay, I am not trying to fight anyone on this. So please, do not tell me I am a shill....I am just trying to educate some of you on the characteristics of natural gas, then maybe you can come to a conclusion that you are more comfortable with.

I happen to work with natural gas, have been for the last 15 years. I have worked with it from the well-head to your stoves. There are a few things brought up on here that are pretty much not true or unanswered so here goes....

1. Natural Gas is considered odorless. But in reality the constituents in the gas give off an aroma that you can smell. This coupled with lube oil from compressors used to boost pressure also gives it a unique smell. So in short, you will smell a gas leak from a transmission line (which are not required to add odorant). Once gas is bought by a distribution comany, the gas is treated with an odorant, typically methal mercaptan. This is what gives it that "sulfur" smell. You will definitely be able to smell it, and more importantly, no what it is at this point.

2. Natural Gas is lighter than air. It has a specific gravity of approximately .6. Propane on the other hand is somewhere around 1.5. It is heavier than air. This is why it tends to "hover" if you have a propane leak. Natural Gas on the other hand needs a barrier to be kept at ground level, such as a house. Follow me? Gas can accumulate in a house to the point it is explosive. Which is approximately 5% to 15% volume in air. Once this mixture is reached....BOOM! Get it?


3. How would gas accumulate in the house? Esecially if the gas company experts deemed there were no leaks in the area? Let me give you a scenario. One day Harry K. Gas is out doing a leak check on his pipeline. Harry picks up some gas out in the middle of a field. "Oh shit" says Harry. "I have to expose this line to find this leak and fix it". So Harry starts digging to the east and finds no more gas. Harry then starts to dig to the west and picks up gas again. He now knows he is going in the right direction. Harry digs for an additional 600 ft. before he finds the source of the leak. Any takers on why? It's because gas will follow the path of least resistance. If the ditch it was laid in is solidly against the pipe, it will go straight up through the ground. However, if the ditch has shrunk due to DRY CONDITIONS, then it will migrate thru the ditch line until it finds a way out. Sometimes this way out is straight through someones foundation, yes foundation, where the natural gas line was ran. So it is easy to see that it COULD have made its way there. And the gas company experts could be reporting no leaks because there are no leaks where they are looking. Okay?

4. Well what about the smell, someone would have smelled it, right? Absolutely. This is distribution, and mercaptan is required. But if you look closely at some of those pictures, that house was for sale and vacant. No one can smell it if no one is there. So it is possible for the gas to have accumulated to the LEL (Lower Explosive Limit) and ignited. The only thing left would be an ignition source. This is where I have the problem determining what made it go boom (if this is what caused it). My best guess is that whomever was selling the house kept some utilities on so pipes wouldn't freeze, to ensure the furnace stayed on, etc. So if it was a natural gas furnace, the pilot remains lit. BOOM! If it was electric heat/air, the motor kicked on, BOOM! Natural gas water heater, BOOM! you get the point. Nobody has to be present to ignite the gas. Hell, if someone would have came along and rang the door bell, BOOM! If someone would have called the house, BOOM! Get the picture? A lot of ways to make gas go BOOM. As a matter of fact, at the gas plant we cannot have cell phones, cameras, anything electronic that is not intrinsically safe, or in short, not capable of producing enough current to ignite the gas. The saving grace is that there is a small window of the gas-air mixture required to burn. But once there, it is easy to ignite.


5.In case you are wondering about the power of natural gas, picture how much force is applied to a piston on a natural gas engine. The explosion that is accomplished has enough energy to propel a 4,000 lb. vehicle with relative ease, and you are telling me that it cannot take out a house made out of wood? Let's do a little math. If you apply 1 psi of a gas to a 10X10 wall, what is the applied pressure on that wall? Some might think 1 psi. But remember what psi stands for? Pounds per Square Inch. So you are actually exertiing 14,400 pounds of force on that wall (typical gas explosion exerts roughly 300 psi). I think that would take care of any kind wall made nowdays, and coninue on to the next, and the next, and the next, etc. The heat of combustion in Natural Gas is 10 times the amount of TNT. Think on that one a minute.


Long story short, yes, this could have been caused by natural gas. And yes, natural gas IS POWERFUL enough to take out a whole damn city block. Do I know for sure that natural gas was the cause? No. But I don't want anybody to underestimate the power of natural gas and the potential dangers of it. In fact this hit pretty close to home, literally. I urge everyone who has natural gas or propane to get a hydrocarbon detector installed in their home. Mount it down low for propane, and up high for natural gas. And make damn sure you have a carbon monoxide detector as well.

Remember to stay safe out there people!

peace
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10718365


Outstanding post. Well written, informative and straightforward. The sort of rare adult contribution that makes coming to GLP worthwhile.

applause2
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Thanks man! I appreciate the feedback!
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bsflag we know u r shills. do u talk to yourself too?
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Re: BREAKING: Indiana Explosion has been Identified!!! Must Read!!
Oh, WOW!

The Associated Press reports the owner of the house that blew up says a faulty furnace may be to blame. Also, the NTSB has joined the search for the cause of the explosion.

However, at a news conference Monday afternoon, a spokesperson for Citizens Energy said the utility never received a call about a faulty furnace from the home in question.

[link to www.wthr.com]
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damn, that is one in like 200 examples of lies lies lies. cover up.
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from the other thread, for the OP:

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i would say it was posted specifically to be seen. bat thing could be related to Colorado, or a diversion to lead you off into wonderland and not look at the gulf connection, new madrid, and methane.
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Does this patch look like the image? (somewhat)
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yes it does -- DRONE strike!!!

good find poster!!!!!!!!!!
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whoa!!!!!!!! drone 4 realz
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Oh, WOW!

The Associated Press reports the owner of the house that blew up says a faulty furnace may be to blame. Also, the NTSB has joined the search for the cause of the explosion.

However, at a news conference Monday afternoon, a spokesperson for Citizens Energy said the utility never received a call about a faulty furnace from the home in question.

[link to www.wthr.com]
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damn, that is one in like 200 examples of lies lies lies. cover up.
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I went to wthr.com to read story on this link, then read the comments..... In the comments, someone stated that the residents whose house blew up had "boarded" a cat for the night. Who boards a cat for one night? This is suspicious.
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Okay, I am not trying to fight anyone on this. So please, do not tell me I am a shill....I am just trying to educate some of you on the characteristics of natural gas, then maybe you can come to a conclusion that you are more comfortable with.

I happen to work with natural gas, have been for the last 15 years. I have worked with it from the well-head to your stoves. There are a few things brought up on here that are pretty much not true or unanswered so here goes....

1. Natural Gas is considered odorless. But in reality the constituents in the gas give off an aroma that you can smell. This coupled with lube oil from compressors used to boost pressure also gives it a unique smell. So in short, you will smell a gas leak from a transmission line (which are not required to add odorant). Once gas is bought by a distribution comany, the gas is treated with an odorant, typically methal mercaptan. This is what gives it that "sulfur" smell. You will definitely be able to smell it, and more importantly, no what it is at this point.

2. Natural Gas is lighter than air. It has a specific gravity of approximately .6. Propane on the other hand is somewhere around 1.5. It is heavier than air. This is why it tends to "hover" if you have a propane leak. Natural Gas on the other hand needs a barrier to be kept at ground level, such as a house. Follow me? Gas can accumulate in a house to the point it is explosive. Which is approximately 5% to 15% volume in air. Once this mixture is reached....BOOM! Get it?


3. How would gas accumulate in the house? Esecially if the gas company experts deemed there were no leaks in the area? Let me give you a scenario. One day Harry K. Gas is out doing a leak check on his pipeline. Harry picks up some gas out in the middle of a field. "Oh shit" says Harry. "I have to expose this line to find this leak and fix it". So Harry starts digging to the east and finds no more gas. Harry then starts to dig to the west and picks up gas again. He now knows he is going in the right direction. Harry digs for an additional 600 ft. before he finds the source of the leak. Any takers on why? It's because gas will follow the path of least resistance. If the ditch it was laid in is solidly against the pipe, it will go straight up through the ground. However, if the ditch has shrunk due to DRY CONDITIONS, then it will migrate thru the ditch line until it finds a way out. Sometimes this way out is straight through someones foundation, yes foundation, where the natural gas line was ran. So it is easy to see that it COULD have made its way there. And the gas company experts could be reporting no leaks because there are no leaks where they are looking. Okay?

4. Well what about the smell, someone would have smelled it, right? Absolutely. This is distribution, and mercaptan is required. But if you look closely at some of those pictures, that house was for sale and vacant. No one can smell it if no one is there. So it is possible for the gas to have accumulated to the LEL (Lower Explosive Limit) and ignited. The only thing left would be an ignition source. This is where I have the problem determining what made it go boom (if this is what caused it). My best guess is that whomever was selling the house kept some utilities on so pipes wouldn't freeze, to ensure the furnace stayed on, etc. So if it was a natural gas furnace, the pilot remains lit. BOOM! If it was electric heat/air, the motor kicked on, BOOM! Natural gas water heater, BOOM! you get the point. Nobody has to be present to ignite the gas. Hell, if someone would have came along and rang the door bell, BOOM! If someone would have called the house, BOOM! Get the picture? A lot of ways to make gas go BOOM. As a matter of fact, at the gas plant we cannot have cell phones, cameras, anything electronic that is not intrinsically safe, or in short, not capable of producing enough current to ignite the gas. The saving grace is that there is a small window of the gas-air mixture required to burn. But once there, it is easy to ignite.


5.In case you are wondering about the power of natural gas, picture how much force is applied to a piston on a natural gas engine. The explosion that is accomplished has enough energy to propel a 4,000 lb. vehicle with relative ease, and you are telling me that it cannot take out a house made out of wood? Let's do a little math. If you apply 1 psi of a gas to a 10X10 wall, what is the applied pressure on that wall? Some might think 1 psi. But remember what psi stands for? Pounds per Square Inch. So you are actually exertiing 14,400 pounds of force on that wall (typical gas explosion exerts roughly 300 psi). I think that would take care of any kind wall made nowdays, and coninue on to the next, and the next, and the next, etc. The heat of combustion in Natural Gas is 10 times the amount of TNT. Think on that one a minute.


Long story short, yes, this could have been caused by natural gas. And yes, natural gas IS POWERFUL enough to take out a whole damn city block. Do I know for sure that natural gas was the cause? No. But I don't want anybody to underestimate the power of natural gas and the potential dangers of it. In fact this hit pretty close to home, literally. I urge everyone who has natural gas or propane to get a hydrocarbon detector installed in their home. Mount it down low for propane, and up high for natural gas. And make damn sure you have a carbon monoxide detector as well.

Remember to stay safe out there people!

peace
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Outstanding post. Well written, informative and straightforward. The sort of rare adult contribution that makes coming to GLP worthwhile.

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Thanks man! I appreciate the feedback!
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bsflag we know u r shills. do u talk to yourself too?
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You know, I wish it was BS, because then my job would not be harder after something like this. Fact is, regardless if it was the root cause or not, every regulatory agency is going to be up natural gas operators' ass for the next year or so. So I would rather it Not be natural gas caused.

Do some research on what I posted. Its all there man.

I'm thinkin maybe YOU are the shill.
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Oh, WOW!

The Associated Press reports the owner of the house that blew up says a faulty furnace may be to blame. Also, the NTSB has joined the search for the cause of the explosion.

However, at a news conference Monday afternoon, a spokesperson for Citizens Energy said the utility never received a call about a faulty furnace from the home in question.

[link to www.wthr.com]
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damn, that is one in like 200 examples of lies lies lies. cover up.
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I went to wthr.com to read story on this link, then read the comments..... In the comments, someone stated that the residents whose house blew up had "boarded" a cat for the night. Who boards a cat for one night? This is suspicious.
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there's so much evidence that shills tried to bury on the other thread and stuff still coming I really do not know why anyone is paying for these tools to post lies when everyone knows they are lying? all it is doing is making the info go viral even more. they are quite pathetic and the people are about to come get their sorry asses.
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They are reporting on local news that "authorities are stumped as to cause".

They also report that the blast registered on seismographs all the way down in Bloomington at IU. They did not say what it registered.
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I think either a) the homeowner was trying to get out of her mortgage (hence, cat boarded for a night to go play poker), or b) there is something more suspicious at hand. Cats are fine by themselves for a night. Hell, I can leave mine for an entire weekend with a clean cat box and plenty of food and water. Something's fishy
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I think either a) the homeowner was trying to get out of her mortgage (hence, cat boarded for a night to go play poker), or b) there is something more suspicious at hand. Cats are fine by themselves for a night. Hell, I can leave mine for an entire weekend with a clean cat box and plenty of food and water. Something's fishy
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naughty
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i'm confused, how is it some of you know that a furnace did it when the local authorities say now, they don't know what did it?

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it was just a matter of time that the shills showed up with the flower gifs, and hi, sorry to hear about that, and shit. they take over this way by conversing like it's tea time while ignoring the thread main topic, putting irrelevant info in here and there to sucker people with, no info to deve deep with, ever -- just surface non sense.

hey dumb ass!! that poster was just busted for impersonating a different persona on another thread.
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Hey mouth breather...I could care less if it was fucking Santa Clause and The Grinch busted him humping your mother while you and you daddy spanked each other watching.

I am not trying to take over jack-shit. I live very close to what happened, and I also have some knowledge where gas is concerned. If you look at my post, I said you can take it how you want (just like your sister does down on the street corner). And if there is a chance that it is someone from the incident, hell yea I am praying for them, no questions asked. So don't jump my shit with your stupid-ass shill shit....basement boy. You better hurry up and find a place to live, I hear mommy is raising the rent.....douchebag.


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This same AC wrote the same thing in another thread about me lol. This AC is the shill...he/she is posting the same gramically ill paragraph about anyone he/she doesn't agree with. He's just a punk interrupting good running threads.
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Regarding the conflicting "furnace story" - isn't it possible that's planted info? Citizen's gas has come out on the record and said they had NO calls for a furnace at that location or neighborhood and they claim they have found no gas leaks on the main line to the neighborhood. Plus, I would think the authorities would know by now and probably even the first night if this was connected to a gas line and there's no reason why they wouldn't just say so that I can think of. I'm pretty sure there's something else at play here.

Any luck on the bat image? I just returned, I'll catch up.

Oh and I did drive by the neighborhood about 530pm this evening, posted on my original thread.
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Evening guys..May I STRONGLY suggest you keep at this.I had posted a comment a while back.Regarding something overheard while working today.I mauled it over a bit.Then decided to erase it until I made a few calls. Well I think I have heard enough to repost my findings.

!!!! word is a mass metal object had been hauled off to a warehouse on walter a,AFTER ground zero was evac,and secure.
A few hours BEFORE impact."It's f**** up the way it all had to go down" and another quote "we better watch our a** or we all could be next if we don't pay attention" later a pool was started taking bets on where it's going to happen next and how many bagged!Going on..an argument had broke out between two men,one was a fireman,he was shot in the chest at point blank range,IN the location of ground zero(story claims it was suicide)--- claimed the longworths had both gotten on a bus heading to the school,--- claims dion was removed from the bus escorted by a dhs agent,without his wife.Please note that news stated both longworth's had died. A chaplain was called to the school but never showed,yet a "chaplain" left the school with jen longworth.A truck (four wheeler)was later removed near ground zero,again sent to warehouse on walter a.This red truck belonged to an amtrak employee. Hours later two people had been found shot in a car,left in a rough area.
Some evacs have been allowed to return to get belongings,but could not stay.Some could return but are under "house arrest".No further word as to where evacs are now located.
Dhs and atf was near the area of ground zero before the explosion,as well as many firefighters and police officers put on standby due to a EAS,gas to the neighborhood had been shut down prior to impact. Dhs are still at ground zero.Reports of military also in area.Several firefighters,among many residents have been treated for unknown illness and difficulty breathing.


Okay that's about it for now....I have not question the guys overheard speaking of the metal,warehouse or pool started..gotta choose your who,what's and when wisely.
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Christ.

What the hell happened here?

OP you have been in front of this from the get-go.

Where is your info coming from?

Thanks for the heads-up.

Damn.
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Glp reporters always get to the bottom of things. Keep digging. Xx
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There was just another explosion less than 20 miles from a restaurant 'El Rodeo".

[link to www.youtube.com]

A witness who works at the Wal-Mart next door to the restaurant told RTV6 she heard an explosion before the restaurant went up in flames.

Another witness working nearby had a similar story.

"I heard a big boom from the kitchen over at White Castle," said witness John Short.

Investigators said the initial impression is that the fire started in the kitchen, and the explosion that witnesses heard was a transformer behind the restaurant blowing up.

No injuries have been reported, but the restaurant was open for business at the time of the fire.


[link to www.theindychannel.com]
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There was just another explosion less than 20 miles from a restaurant 'El Rodeo".

[link to www.youtube.com]

A witness who works at the Wal-Mart next door to the restaurant told RTV6 she heard an explosion before the restaurant went up in flames.

Another witness working nearby had a similar story.

"I heard a big boom from the kitchen over at White Castle," said witness John Short.

Investigators said the initial impression is that the fire started in the kitchen, and the explosion that witnesses heard was a transformer behind the restaurant blowing up.

No injuries have been reported, but the restaurant was open for business at the time of the fire.


[link to www.theindychannel.com]
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are people getting sick in the area?
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Greenfield restaurant engulfed in flames; witness heard explosion before fire

Posted: 11/13/2012
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GREENFIELD, Ind. - Emergency crews were battling a huge blaze at a restaurant in Greenfield Monday evening.

The El Rodeo restaurant on State Road 9 was engulfed in flames around 6:30 p.m., and the fire was under control shortly after 7 p.m. Smoke from the fire was visible from as far as 10 miles away.

[link to www.theindychannel.com]
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There was just another explosion less than 20 miles from a restaurant 'El Rodeo".

[link to www.youtube.com]

A witness who works at the Wal-Mart next door to the restaurant told RTV6 she heard an explosion before the restaurant went up in flames.

Another witness working nearby had a similar story.

"I heard a big boom from the kitchen over at White Castle," said witness John Short.

Investigators said the initial impression is that the fire started in the kitchen, and the explosion that witnesses heard was a transformer behind the restaurant blowing up.

No injuries have been reported, but the restaurant was open for business at the time of the fire.


[link to www.theindychannel.com]
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are people getting sick in the area?
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I have no idea. I'm in Los Angeles but Im calling my good friend is in Indianapolis to see what he knows.
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it was just a matter of time that the shills showed up with the flower gifs, and hi, sorry to hear about that, and shit. they take over this way by conversing like it's tea time while ignoring the thread main topic, putting irrelevant info in here and there to sucker people with, no info to deve deep with, ever -- just surface non sense.

hey dumb ass!! that poster was just busted for impersonating a different persona on another thread.
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Hey mouth breather...I could care less if it was fucking Santa Clause and The Grinch busted him humping your mother while you and you daddy spanked each other watching.

I am not trying to take over jack-shit. I live very close to what happened, and I also have some knowledge where gas is concerned. If you look at my post, I said you can take it how you want (just like your sister does down on the street corner). And if there is a chance that it is someone from the incident, hell yea I am praying for them, no questions asked. So don't jump my shit with your stupid-ass shill shit....basement boy. You better hurry up and find a place to live, I hear mommy is raising the rent.....douchebag.


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This same AC wrote the same thing in another thread about me lol. This AC is the shill...he/she is posting the same gramically ill paragraph about anyone he/she doesn't agree with. He's just a punk interrupting good running threads.
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Funny, I don't recall posting on a thread by you. Matter of fact, I only post every now and again. I have posted on the sink hole in Louisiana, I believe THAT is a total mess that was started by BP a few years back. Look it up, it was started by El Q. I'm the one who talks about methane hydrate structures, etc.

Look, I like a good conspiracy as much as the next person. I am not saying it was definitely natural gas related. I am just saying that it is possible, and that natural gas can level a city block, very easily. This is another reason why I am posting this information, to help people realize the dangers of natural gas, and take precautions to save their family. I point out that if no one is there, or if people are sleeping, they may not smell it, to encourage people to get a hydrocarbon alarm. Matter of fact, it is part of my job to help train local emergeny responders on the characteristics and dangers of natural gas.

And you should know as good as I that if someone attacks you when you are taking people's best interest to heart, that is not cool. I had just came into the thread when I posted that I prayed for the families of those around the incident. So I had no clue that dude was a dink. Shame on me for not knowing, but at the same time I meant what I said. I did and still do pray for those fine folks who were involved.

I got upset when the person prior called me a dumb ass. I had done nothing to him/her and instead of kindly informing me of the situation opted to be mean-spirited. Not everyone who tries to contribute in a knowledgable way is what you call a shill. You sound like a decent person, so I'm going to ask you nicely to not call me a punk. Thanks.

And to the sumbitch that posted that, if you really were not one of the victims, you really should be ashamed of yourself. Going around and preteding to be someone you are not, and using their misfortune for your own entertainment. That is messed up. And if I knew who the hell you were, I would throttle you.
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Reminds me of the explosion last year (or year before) in the Bay Area, northern California. Also a "gas explosion".
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Does this connect the dots for anyone?!

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Swamp gas has been used to cover up everything from UFOs to house explosions for years... 5a